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LegendHero:
No you lied.

Everyone know the tribe that is hairy like the apes. I even saw one picture not long ago of the ancestral Igbos and the apes.

If I retrieve the pics, I will attach it.

lol, the Europeans on their arrival in igbolands hinted on their surprise at the presence of such good looking fair skinned people in the African jungle, I will attach Historical accounts

TAO11:
You are jumping the gun kid.

You still haven’t shown where the Ooni said Yoruba people of Ife met Igbo people in Ife.

On the contrary, what you have shown in writing and in video is the Ooni asserting clearly that the Igbo people are descended from the Yoruba people of Ife from whom they mastered Ifa people fleeing for the evil-forest land, aka Igboland.

You haven’t answered if you still stand in solidarity with the Ooni on this or you’ve fled into your natural habitat, viz. the evil forest.

Other evidences I have has it that Igbos started moving out of their original homelands around the confluence of the Niger and benue in waves spanning thousands of years and across a very broad front.....most moved south towards present day Igbos homelands.......but a very early group had gone south west towards Ife more than 3000 years before the arrival of the first yoruba ancestors

TAO11:
As long as Igbo people are descend from the Yoruba people of Ife.

Or is someone about to begin miming William Shakespeare??

while yorubas descended down the evolutionary ladder and started mating with apes(this is evident in the physical appearance bof most yorubas today)

TAO11:
According to the Ooni of Ife whom Hellraiser the bush-child stands with in this:

The Igbo people are descended from the Yoruba people of Ife.

Deal with it kid!

Now the real gist is really that Yoruba people started breeding with apes on arrival at Ife cos the ancient Igbos kept kidnapping their women

I wanted to leave out this part of the story but my hands were forced

TAO11:
Where he said that the Igbo people are descended from the Yoruba people of Ife??

Your replies have totally lost all substance

Fortunately or unfortunately for you I still have piles of evidence, Your ooye lagboo is an utter corruption of a very common Igbo word

I'm not letting you free, you must swallow the truth

[bs

TAO11:
Are you dumb or something??

Did you not read that your Igbo ancestors USED TO BE in Ife before they were kicked out to the Igbo land they now occupy in Eastern Nigeria??

So, how is that rocket science for you to know that the Igbos of today’s eastern Nigeria descended from the Yoruba people of Ife — according to Oba Adeyeye??

cc: LegendHero

[/s] You Ife fable is now without any defense
A group of Igbo people has now been proven to be your forefathers

LegendHero:
Below is your own word and the question you asked Tao:
Do you doubt the assertion made by the Ooni that early yoruba ancestors met an ancient stock of Igbos in Ile Ife?


See the quote below, your last statement!

Your point being?

TAO11:
Now you’re claiming that Nri aren’t Igbos??

And if you aren’t, then please continue stand in solidarity with the Ooni of Ife who stated that the Igbos are descended from the Yoruba people of Ife.

Or did you stop standing in solidarity with this statement from the Ooni??

Your Egos have been bruised by your Oonis revelation I understand what you must be feeling

LegendHero:
Lol my guy don dey change mouth.

Your own evidence was used against you. You can't even assimilate the content of what you are posting and you're even ridiculing the Igbo nation more.

You have nothing to say here again apart from your usual small minded trash

Go and read The Moremi stories of Ife tonight, Ife is really and extension of igbo land leased to the yoruba on arrival from kogi state

TAO11:
I’ll wait patently for the evidence of where the Ooni of Ife said that the Yoruba people of Ife met the Igbo people in Ife.

However, what we find the Ooni saying — on the Mr hand — is that [b]t/b].

cc: LegendHero

You are now the new Babaramotu1980 Clown of thread

Point me to where it was mentioned that the Igbo people or Nri are descended from the Yoruba people of Ife from whom they mastered Ifa before they then descended into the evil-forest

LegendHero:
Hahahaha comedian Hellraiser.

So I am actually an Igbo right? Since I make up one of the five stock of Igbos.

So let's agree I am Igbo based on your conclusion.

can you now answer the question below:
Do you agree with Ooni that Ife is actually the Origin and source of the Igbos?

Yes or No?

Point me to where the Ooni said that Igbos originated in Ife?

Such claims will be heretical

LegendHero:
Nope you are the drowning man here. Your own evidence was used against you.

Is Ooni right in his statement that the Igbos descended from the source (Ife)?

Yes or No?

Nowhere did the Ooni state that Igbos descended from anybody

It would have been an abomination to the very throne to say that.

Obatala himself who the Yoruba deified was an Igbo ruler in Ife, be calm and keep an open mind while reading the statement and watching the video, you will pick out insights

I have lots of other evidence that doesn't involve the Ooni,but since you are bent on twisting facts there's no need to bring it forth.

Metaphysical also knows this truth of Igbo origins of Ife but he doesn't really like discussing it much

LegendHero:
If you are that intelligent, you won't be showing that Image or video because it actually supported the fact that Ife is the origin.

If the statement of Ooni is right, that means the Igbo descended from Ife and they had to migrate to their current spot which give claim to the fact that Ife is actually the source.

That means Nri or all your ancestors were actually from the source (Ife).

Just using a layman reason, that is the only thing I can deduce from the video and Vanguard publication.

Can you please tell me your own interpretation of the Vanguard image and the video?

What yoruba ancestors met in Ife was really one stock of Igbos out of Five there were four others

TAO11:
You are jumping the gun kid.

You still haven’t shown where the Ooni said Yoruba people of Ife met Igbo people in Ife.

On the contrary, what you have shown in writing and in video is the Ooni asserting clearly that the Igbo people are descended from the Yoruba people of Ife from whom they mastered Ifa people fleeing for the evil-forest land, aka Igboland.

You haven’t answered if you still stand in solidarity with the Ooni on this or you’ve fled into your natural habitat, viz. the evil forest.

Tao11 the stand-up comedian never ceases to entertain

Grasping and groaning is the sign of a drowning man

TAO11:
Exactly he point I was making.

The Igbo people (including your Nri fore-parents) are descended from the Yoruba people of Ife as the Ooni has stated.

Now. since you should agree with the Ooni on this, then there is no surprise that these Igbo people learnt Ifa well in Ife before they left for Igboland.

Again, do you still stand in solidarity with the Ooni on this statement or have you fled back into the evil forest??

Chai!!!, Tao11 and legendhero are battling so hard to save the soul of their ife

IFE which really is the Igbo word for Daylight in contrast with the lowlight of the forest and it's thick canopy that Igbos liked better.

LegendHero:
Nice video.

Ooni said "The Igbo people descended from the Yoruba people of Ife."

Do you agree with Ooni?

Yes or No?

So that's what your Bruised ego and shattered pride deduced from the whole video?

Obatala whom the Yoruba regard as the master of all creation himself was clarified by The Ooni to just be an igbo king who was also a master of the spirit just like the Nri priests of more recent Igbo History

TAO11:
Thank you for taking the dumb risk of sharing the full report.

But guess what, no where still did he ever say that the Yoruba people of Ife met the Igbo people in Ife.

Instead, what he made clear is that: the Igbo people (including your Nri fore-parents) are descended from the Yoruba people of Ife.

At this point, do you still stand by the Ooni’s actual statement, or are you about to flee again back into the evil forest from where you had escaped??

You are now on a quest to save face and hide your surprise at the fact that Igbos are the founders of your Ile Ife, gave you the Afa divinition, gave you Obatala whom you worship till date.

There was no mention of NRI in that report and the reason is really not far fetched.

It has now been proven to you that Igbos are really like a grandpa to Yoruba and all this Niger-congo group of peoples,

Do you want to know why Igbos called settlements IFE?

Tao11 Legendhero below is a video of the Ooni Emphasizing Igbos and their mastery of ancient divinity( the Afa and all its Odus).

https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DUZ8BA4l9oK0&ved=2ahUKEwiUpvuhj6PrAhUYh1wKHcBsC6QQwqsBMAt6BAgFEAM&usg=AOvVaw2gfqF3C_KypxV2QZLp3-iU

Great respect for the Ooni for having the boldness to come out publicly and state this Truth

TAO11:
Thank you for running back into the evil forest from your AwOlOwO and archaeology straw.

Regarding the Ooni of Ife, you need to [b]first show me where Oba Adeyeye ever said that the people of Ife met Igbo people in Ife.

However, since I know you haven’t shown that — and ou would never be able to — then I will restrict myself to what he actually said as shown in the attached below that:

The Igbo people (including your Nri fore-parents) re descended from the Yoruba people of Ife.

See attached for reminder.

Tao has turned to a stand-up comedian

Tao11 below is the link to the full report;
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2019/08/ooni-of-ife-and-the-igbo-yoruba-relationship/amp/

TAO11:
I thought you subscribed to that. At what point did you stop agreeing to that fact??

Now, explain how a fact you subscribed to is an eXcUsE!

Tao11 is now employing deflection techniques

Tao11 The current topic is whether or not you agree with the Ooni as regards the ancient stock of Igbos who were the original inhabitants of Ife.

I'm reving my Engine in preparation to destroy you

TAO11:
Bro, don’t sweat it. They obviously understand the whole point from the beginning.

They just have to make excuses to save face and keep up appearances.

Ask yourself this key question: Who make excuses — the loser or the winner.

Cheers bro!

All your arguements on this Thread Tao11 has based major on excuses:

Excuses of why Ile Ife is the last and most recent out of seven

Excuses of why I should discard the fact that the Awujale of Ijebu land said they don't have any Ife connection

I'm waiting for you to make another excuse of why I should discard what Ooni ogunwusi said about the ancient Igbo origins of Ile Ife itself

LegendHero:
See the kind of people I've been arguing with?

Go and understand official protocol involved in seating arrangement.

Check Buhari well, have you ever seen him seat at the far corner in any official picture in Nigeria? (Note the keyword, official pictures)

Check Trump well, in any official picture, have you ever seen him seat at the far corner?

Go and read up about simple protocol. You guys bore me with your kindergarten reasoning honestly.

Please Elaborate more on what Buhari or Donald Trump has in common with a picture of few Nigerian traditional rulers from 1937

TAO11:
Insecure bush-children will not kill me. LegendHero, is this what you’ve been tolerating from bush-children??

(1) One of them still insisted that Awolowo (born [b]1919) was the one responsible for the documented statements of the 1850s and 1901. Interesting. I finally brought out the Nri-ness (i.e. dumbness) in these children.

(2) I also see the bush-child trying to bring in the archaeology of Ife as the reason for Ife’s primacy among the Yorubas (perhaps after realizing how his AwOlOwO straw exposes his dumbness even further).

Can someone please inform the bush-child that the first archaeological excavation of Ife was in the year 1910 by Leo Frobenius, and as such post-dates the 1850s and 1901 documented states about Ife’s primacy which I shared??

(3) Push children as expected couldn’t possibly grasp the nuance of the statements from where the Johnsons tried to shift Yoruba’s capital to Oyo. He confused himself between cradle and capital. To educate the low-life bush-child as always, Oyo never at anytime claimed to be the cradle of the Yoruba people.

(4)

Tao11 the Fraudlent wannabe-historian I can't keep going in perpetual circles of meaningless Argument with you
You are now starting to sound rather confused and Disillusioned

I have categorically and satisfactorily proven that ile Ife and the Oduduwa fables was only important to very few Yoruba communities before the 20th century, hang in there I will set you free soon, just one more topic to go

DO you doubt the assertion made by the Ooni that early yoruba ancestors met an ancient stock of Igbos in Ile Ife? screenshot below

LegendHero:
He claimed the video he uploaded is about how the Obaship are ranked. Then I just showed him a picture of the sitting arangement and rank of what is clearly called (The Yoruba Obas).

The Oba of Benin wa sclearly seated and you can see he was lower in ranking when compared to the Ooni.

Now the wuestion should be, why did Ofoigbo uploaded the video in the first place? What is he trying to make us learn from the video?

Bros where was it stated that this picture was taken according to any rank?....Atleast you can deduce something from what the people in those videos are saying, whether true or false is a matter of opinion.

You on the other hand just uploaded a picture and declared they were seated in ranks

LegendHero:
You are saying rubbish and the video you posted was baseless in the first place.

What are you trying to prove with the video? It is just one uninformed narrator claiming Oba of Benin is greater in rank than Ooni without any fact and he was clearly roasted in the comment section.

I was expecting to see evidence to show Oba of Benin was greater but the video turned out to be the usual nonsense from uninformed people without any proof or reference to how he came about his claim.

All I just showed you was the hierarchy in place in the picture of 1937. You can clearly see that the Oni was in the middle as the highest in rank among the Yoruba Obas and the Oba of Benin was equally seated in the picture. At least they never used rope to drag Oba of Benin to be part of the sitting and he clearly understood what the gathering was all about.

I showed you pictures to back the claim while you showed the video of a narrator saying rubbish.

We are now relying on sitting positions of a photoshoot to tell us History?

LegendHero:
The video is just nonsense. The second video showed the narrator is just one uninformed propagandist saying rubbish.

You can check the comment section of the video, he was roasted on the comment section.

The below is 1937 showing the pictures of all Yoruba Obas with the governor of Nigeria. Oba of Benin was also included in the Yoruba Obas and you can see him seated.

At the centre is Ooni Aderemi, to his left is Oba Akenzua of Benin and Alake of Egbaland Oba Ademola. To Ooni’s right, Alaafin of Oyo, Oba Oladigbolu and Oba Adesanya Gbelegbuwa the Awujale of Ijebu Ode. The white man in the picture is the Governor of Nigeria.

What are we supposed to learn from this picture?

TAO11:
On top of that, AwOlOwO is an Ijebu man.

This foregoing fact alone makes my above argument a three-in-one killer.

In other words, (1)AwOlOwO was already shown above to be magically uniting all Yorubas (including those of Benin Republic) to Oduduwa/Ife, before his own birth. /s

AND

(2) Being an Ijebu man, he would obviously have done the uNiTinG thingy to his own Ijebu town (or any Ijebu town for that matter) — before his birth of course. /s I mean, why Ife??

AND

(3) This single fact again also further demolishes the already demolished joke of Ijebu having nothing to do with Ife. Again, why Ife of all places an Ijebu man could think of from heaven??

cc: LegendHero, MinorityOpinion, BabaRamota1980

Tao you are Disappointingly beginning to sound more incoherent and Disillusioned as this arguement wears on, No more phony oyibo fairy tales to qoute?.....we are now in the realm of currently verifiable facts and Yoruba History does not fare well here

I will Reiterate a few facts for your clearity;

1- It was very convenient for Awolowo and the elite of the time which includes Yoruba traditional rulers to tell elaborate and Baseless stories linking all yoruba to ile Ife (At a point you even claimed Ile Ife was the cradle of all civilizations in the world, What a joke ) Because it already had an exalted status based solely on archeological findings of the time(early 20th century)

2-Ask yourself, If Ile-ife was really divine and sacred to all Yoruba people why did Oyo a very young yoruba kingdom founded in 1400 challenge it for the title of yoruba cradle of civilization? , isn't this because They knew the title was an elaborate Con-job and not at all based on true history history?

3-About the yoruba community in Benin Republic, A.O Adesoji clearly stated that prior to the 20th century only three communities of Òbà-Ilé near Àkúré,
Òbà-Ìgbómìnà and Igbó-Ìdáìsà in modern day Benin Republic believe their founder fell from the sky(Oduduwa) , So your arguement that Awolowo couldn't have influenced the History of Yoruba in Benin Republic is corrected by the fact they were One of only three original communities That truly claim Ife Prior to the antics of Awolowo and his Band of con men

By implication ife is the Cradle of only three communities in the entire yorubaland

[s]

TAO11:
Just to continue giving the insecure folks something to respond to, while informing real humans (the Yoruba Nairalanders):

We have already seen, in my preceding, comment how AwOlOwO (born 1909) was uniting the Yorubas to Ife before his own birth. /s

The following is a declaration by an Ijebu man in response to the modern Oyo-hegemonic tendencies to shift the Yoruba capital from Ife.

This Ijebu man made the declaration in 1901 — again before AwOlOwO’s birth:

“In 1901 an Ijebu man found it necessary to make an emphatic declaration on Yoruba History:

I deny that Oyo is the capital city of Yoruba land. Ife, the cradle home of the whole Yorubas and the land of the deified Oduduwa has been recognized by every interior tribe (including Benin and Ketu) for all intents and purposes as the capital city.*

Williams was replying to a speech previously given by Obadiah Johnson, the brother of Samuel Johnson, affirming all that Williams was denying.”

— B.A. Agiri, “Early Oyo History Reconsidered”, History in Africa, 1975, Vol. 2 (1975), p.1.
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In case the grammar was a problem, the use of the word “deified” in this context indicates that a human being (Oduduwa) was admitted into a pantheon after his life.

So, apparently the Yoruba people (both of Nigeria and the Republic of Benin) always believed this about Oduduwa, of course before AwOlOwO’s parent met each other.

Or may be AwOlOwo did his magic again before his own birth.


I wonder how an Anglophone Nigerian politician would have been the reason why many people of the Francophone Republic of Benin believe Oduduwa to be their ‘father’.

The straws from our insecure bvsh-men at this point are a true testament to the fact that a truly dvmb person could not possibly have any limit to expressing his dvmbness.

cc: LegendHero, MinorityOpinion, BabaRamota1980

[/s] Tao11 what significance does the opinion of an anonymous Ijebu man from 1901 have? , Is that how low you have descrended?

All evidence keep pointing to the fact that Ile Ife was not sacred to majority of yoruba groups prior to the archeological excavations of the early 20th century which suggested it may have served a ceremonial purpose till around the 15th century This Archeological findings coupled with the need to present a united yoruba front prompted a frenzy of fairy tales where all yoruba groups tried to connect to Ile-ife to foster an artificial unity

According to A.O Adesoji (The myth of Oduduwa and the Farce of Yoruba unity) The impression which the Yorùbá elite wanted to create and foster in
the contemporary period is that the Yorùbá nation is a united and indivisible group,
notwithstanding the glaring differences between the various Yorùbá sub-groups and their
perception of one another. Besides, the manner in which the elite went about it polarised
Yorùbáland(he is talking about the Ooni Vs Alaafin fight ).

Prior to this attempt by the Yoruba elite to form one United front, Only a few yoruba communities claimed descent from the sky(Oduduwa), According to A.O Adesoji(the myth of Oduduwa and the farce of Yoruba unity) this communities were Òbà-Ilé near Àkúré,
Òbà-Ìgbómìnà and Igbó-Ìdáìsà in the present-day Republic of Benin.

What Awolowo and his Egbé Omo Oduduwa group collaborated with Yoruba traditional rulers of the early 20th century to do is now quite glaring to Historians like A.O Adesoji

The myth of Oduduwa and Ile-ife as being the source of the yoruba people has been Disproven time with out numbers, I can give you instances from now till 31st December

Finally Tao11 are you in doubt on the fact that there where an ancient stock of Igbos(the Obatala igbos), living in and around Ile-ife before the arrival of some early yoruba ancestors from kogi state, Ooni ogunwusi expressly stated this and I have countless proof of ancient Igbo activities in the Ile-ife area to support him and prove it beyond any reasonable doubt .

Honestly i like you cos you a bit teachable unlike most yoruba wannabe-story tellers that like to think they are Historians

NB: Igbos might be lots of things but they are not at all insecure , infact they have a Superiority aura and overconfidence which I personally dislike.

gwafaeziokwu:
He is not up to date. The Ife stuff has been long busted. It was a fable created by Awo and Co to unite the ever warring Yorubas who are at each others throat. In the new emerging Nigeria of that time with many regional interest, disunity will be suicidal. They needed the story of a fallen angel without parachute

So, we are already in Kogi to get the real gist.

@hellraiser77, These guys will have to pay you at the end of this lecture. You are really helping them understand whom they are.

Honestly they need to pay me

I have taken them back to their kogi state origins, Next is to make them understand what they call ile-ife was originally populated by an Igbo stock of people called Ndi-gboo(the old ones in Igbo language) The activities of this ancient Igbo stock was captured in the well known Moremi story of IFE .....Even the Ooni made mention of this very recently

I will shatter all erroneous beliefs before this thread ends

MinorityOpinion:
At the bolded, if truely you are igbo born of Nri and not the other way round, open another thread about Ife-Benin connection. If e sure for you and you are not a coward.

The second bolded, you are a liar, prove it in a new thread too. If e sure for you.

MinorityOpinion stop being such an emotional kid

Tao11 Don't bother bringing Awolowo-era fables and tales of how all yorubas came out of Ile-ife, it has been trashed and discarded, The more plausible view is that yoruba migrations from the confluence region was in waves and it spanned hundreds of years

Up next I'm going to prove to everybody that Igbos were already inhabiting the area today known as Ile Ife(this was not it's original name) before the ancestors of yorubas started arriving, Your Ooni himself Elaborated on this, but you don't like it

Truth is never measured in mass appeal

Sammy07:
Thanks for your honorable mention .
I just had to unfollow the thread I was just tired of their baseles claims

You got scared your false belief is being shattered
For you information we are now discussing how Yoruba ancestors created the fake Ile-Ife you know today, The real Ife in modern day kogi near Idah spoke a proto-igbo language

BabaRamota1980:
Tao11
Legendhero
Minorityopinion

Guys, I believe the points that Benin is a Yoruba dynasty has already been established beyond any reasonable doubts, in scholarship work, in traditions, in culture and in politics.

It is beneath us at this point to drag forward with an unknown Nri.

If Benin themselves do not see it a point to refute the Nri and Ibo claim of superiority over them, we should not prove beyond what is already established. Afterall Yoruba has never been occupied by Ibo and they do not intend under Ipob and Biafra to enter any Yoruba state. We should not push any more past this point.

You guys have done great and wonderful job! The history of Benin can never be rewritten, Never! Not as long as an Oba dynasty sits on throne.

Lets conclude and go face more pressing issues that we need to guard and preserve for Yoruba future. 2023!

Babaramotu this is exactly why I regard you as an illiterate