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Etinosa1234:
Go to sleep....what TAO11 and the rest Yorubas have written here should convinced u that ur history is only post 1900

Prior to that...it was nothing to write home abt...

Have u even check the meaning of Igbo...

That should educate u the more

Igbo history is too ancient and complicated to compare with kingdoms that only peaked in 1400bc, Bini and Ife are way too young

The Europeans arrived at a time when Igbo influence has declined so much giving rise to the Igala and Bini, Hence their focus on Bini and IFE which had more influence at the time.

Of all the Niger-Congo cultures of Southern Nigeria, Igbo remains the oldest The current Ooni of IFE affirms this fact

TAO11:
Good question! First of all, nobody said it is precisely a Yoruba word.

This particular word — according to João de Barros’ account — is “Ogané”. In order words, it is a Portuguese rendition of an indigenous Bini word by which the Binis described this “most powerful monarch” to Joao Afonso d’Aveiros in circa 1480.

In the account of Duarte Pacheco Pereira on the other hand, the Dutch rendition of the indigenous Bini word word describing this “most powerful monarch” was Houguanee.

The above Portuguese and Dutch renditions (i.e. “Ogané” and “Houguanee” respectively) thus beg the question of what the actual indigenous Bini word itself was.

The only Bini word which not only corresponds closely to these foreign renditions, but which is also used in Benin traditional accounts to refer to the monarch of Ife is the indigenous word “Oghene” — which in Edo language means: great-lord. The Binis till date in traditional/cultural setting still refer to the “Ooni of Ife” as “Oghene n’Uhe”. See: [url=https://books.google.com/books?id=fRBqDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT200&lpg=PT200&dq=Oghene+n%27Uhe&source=bl&ots=2PQ5iBUUfN&sig=ACfU3U3v7VSlqF07YMELUTv6R95W7_MqHA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjY5Jen6p3rAhXAhHIEHQFvBz8Q6AEwB3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=Oghene%20n'Uhe&f=false]R.E. Bradbury’s “Benin Studies”[/url] for example.

So far, my discussion has been from the Benin side, and that is because these accounts about this “most powerful monarch” was collected from there. But to make this explanation even more interesting and comprehensive, I will share something on the Yoruba side of things.

From the Yoruba side, the distinctive royal title of the monarch of Ife is “Ooni”. This word literally means “the one who owns [everything]”.

From a linguistic perspective moreover, it is easy to see that the Yoruba “Ooni” and the Bini ”Oghene” (used in this context to address the same individual) are actually cognates.

In fact, even a cursory familiarity with the practice of elision and elongation in Yoruba language will make it clear that the elongation of the syllable “oo” in “Ooni” (by doubling the letter “o”) indicates that this word derives from an etymon common to itself and the Bini “Oghene”.

This idea is more obvious in the practice of elongating the “o” in “Ooduwa” — an indication of the fact that “Ooduwa” (or “Oodua” ) involves some syllabic elisions from “Oduduwa”.

Cheers.

cc: LegendHero, MinorityOpinion, BabaRamota1980

This is laughably dubious

1-The Bini never refered to the Ooni as oghene anywhere.

2-Oghene was clearly stated to rule from an eastern Direction, Nri is east from Bini not as far as IFE which is no anywhere near the east of Bini

3: Oghene has nothing to do with IFE otherwise Bini would have said so

TAO11:
True! S. P. Blier touched on those information. J.E.G. Sutton also did at great length.

The 1331 and 1352 accounts of the Arab travelled Ibn Battuta touched on Ife. The latter touches specifically on its trade links with the Mali empire.

His 1352 account on Ife, collected from Mali, states that Ife was one of the “most considerable countries of the Soudan” which ”No white man can enter ... because the negros will kill him before he arrives”.

For the fun, the following are some of the word-for-quotations from Professor Suzanne P. Blier’s “Art and Risk in Ancient Yoruba: Ife History, Power, and Identity c. 1300”, Cambridge University Press, 2015.

(1) “During the era of Ife’s greatest historic power, the twelfth to fifteenth centuries C.E., its influence spanned eastward to the Niger River and westward to what is today southern Togo ... Evidence of Ife’s commercial power extended far beyond, however, and examples of Ife’s famous translucent blue-green [dichroic] glass segi have been found as far away as Ghana, Mali, and Mauritania.” — p.2.

(2) “This suggests that Ife’s current monarch is the leader of one of the three earliest founded surviving dynasties in the world (along with Japan (c.660 B.C.E.) and Rajasthan (c.734 C.E.).” — p.36.

PS:
The above, among several others, seem to me to quite fairly corroborate the ancient Yoruba traditional belief which holds strongly that all monarchies in the world trace back (directly or indirectly) to Ile-Ife.

Will someone explain to me why a 2005 exhibition of Ife was (1)entitled as “When God Lived in Ife” and (2)held at the Strazzi Palace in Florence ??

Cheers!

cc:
cc: BabaRamota1980, LegendHero, MinorityOpinion.

Not only is yoruba History based on myth and fairy tales it also lacked any form of Originality.

NRI is way out of IFEs league, while Nri kingdom peaked much earlier, your European accounts are from a time NRI was already deep in decline with its influence waning giving rise to the independence of its former areas of influence......Bini, Igala and IFE.

Nri is from a time without any form of records or accounts, this doesn't erase it's footprint and legacy, Nri and it's influences are way too old to compare with

At any attempt to read IFE History I'm always met with elaborate fables and tales that make a mockery of History

That Europeans or anybody picked interest in IFE fables doesn't lend any credence to it.

IFE is not as old as Bini not to talk of Nri, Nobody will swallow your crap because it was told by Europeans or anybody for that matter

BabaRamota1980:
Ancient Ife was capital of the indigeneous terracotta civilization which spanned the Niger-Benue basin. Their priest kings dressed in red and the citizenry had both clay and iron crafts. The iron smiths worshipped Ogun, the Yoruba deity. Ogun is the divinity and his representation or deputy that oversees affairs of mankind on his behalf is the priest- king and his title is Ogane. Ogiso were the custodians that Ogane dispatches to carry out state duties and continuation of Ogun's work. This is how Ogun got to Edos.
Im copying meta he knows these things much more.

Cc
Tao11
Metaphysical

Bini royalty clearly Stated that Ogane ruled from the East, while your so called Ife is to the west

The only Kingdom east of Bini is The NRI, why do yeroba history rely so much on distorting facts and twisting meaning?

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TAO11:
Thanks bro, I felt your comment. Real recognize real.

[/s] More like fraud recognise fraud

Lagos na sinking ship o....How will they pay 1trillion naira

coolitempa:
How’s the baby factory going....

How many skulls have you sold today?

Hotfreezer:
Which Nri and which Igbo-ukwu? Were they empires? Which cities did they build? You are comparing ordinary potters playing with clay to ancient engineers who built entire cities.

When ancient walls of Bini are bigger than the great Wall of China and this one is comparing muddy potters with Bini. Better stop disgracing Igbos here and keep quiet.

Clown....You obviously do not know anything about history........Your yeye Oyo kingdom lost Ilorin to a few Fulani horse riders till today, Ndi empire

Cosbyrich:
That is good for Zambia because China will manage those entities properly and leave them more prosperously run.They should please come and takeover the SE Igboland because they are going down in all indices of growth.Igboland is gradually becoming a desert.

Better choose a nice Chinese name now .... yeroba Land is in for a shocker

Hotfreezer:
You are busy insulting your helpers in Lagos whereas you don't even have anywhere to return to in your villages.
Good for you. You people deserve to suffer for
supporting idiots.

Karma has a way of dealing with ingrates.

Helpers club .... Wailing louder than the bereaved

Hotfreezer:
Direct your sympathy to those losing their lands to Arthur Eze in Igboland and those drinking kerosene in Abia. Your sufferings have just started, more is to come.

You are clearly the only one suffering here .....So much pain

Hotfreezer:
Igbos don't have Kings. Don't add them to the list above. Other tribes built empires and civilizations, Igbos didn't build anything.
So, they didn't lose any glory, they never had any glory to begin with.

Dumbo, No knowledge of history whatsoever

Hotfreezer:
We have the Bini empire, we have the Ife Kingdom, we have the Oyo empire, we have the Kanem Borno empire. Mention just one ancient civilisation built by Igbos.

You need not go far, Go to NRI or igboukwu......Its more ancient than your mushroom kingships

Hotfreezer:
Ikpeazu, Ned Nwoko and Arthur Eze are the kinds of leaders they deserve. They don't deserve mercy, handle them like animals.

Yorubas give Igbos like Afam4eva the best life they can never get in Igboland but what do we get in return? Insults and abuse. Let them suffer very well, it is God that is punishing them.

I feel your pains

Bba

Authur Eze has successfully gathered a very bad reputation for himself, What he wants to do in Anambra might swallow him

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TAO11:
I would feel terrible as well if I was Igbo.

[/s] I would kill myself if I were yeroba

BabaRamota1980:
You have tried to promote yourself as fine but I used that monkey to shut your mouth. Ibo remains the ugliest in Nigeria.

You have tried to use Dahoney and I also shut your mouth. The record of Amazon fighting Yoruba is not in history.

You have tried to use Fulani and Ilorin and I shut your mouth. Ilorin is lost and we are ok with it.

When are you going to focus on Nri and stay focused on it.

Im ready to spend the entire night with you to talk about the yeye non existing fable you call Nri.

I Don suffer all of you this night .......Now that I ve used you to cure sleep....I'm going back to work

MinorityOpinion:
I said I won't reply you without you bringing evidence but consider this bonus

As usual you cropped out the part that tell how the OYO were routed by Dahomey girl fighters

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TAO11:
I feel your pain.

[/s] Cry me an ocean, TAO the fraud

BabaRamota1980:
Leave Cameroon kings alone.

Focus on your own. Thats a cameroon chief.

Do know what the white mark around his eyes is?.... simpleton I know you dont ......ask me to teach you JuJu techniques and history

BabaRamota1980:
Leave Cameroon kings alone.

Focus on your own. Thats a cameroon chief.

Not everybody is a fraud like you

BabaRamota1980:
Talk about Nri. Do what the thread tell you to do. Promote Nri.

Nri is too ancient and complicated for your understanding, You are a simpleton

BabaRamota1980:
Dahomey would have documented it for osychological warfare if indeed that were true. Its absent in their war records because it never happened. But to yanminri, hundreds of miles away, thats what happened. Ibo and forgery is 5 & 6.

They love shortcut. Nri is their shortcut to prominence.

It's a well documented battle Stop lying...... Dahomey women were fearless but Oyo p****sy soldiers ran away screaming "Aye mi o"

MinorityOpinion:
The Dahomey women story is not true because the read it, tell him to prove it. The guy is a liar! Saying all those things is their getaway card.

You won't even research to clear you ignorance, Lazy yoot......Go and read up Dahomey Amazons and how they messed Oyo army up

BabaRamota1980:
Ask ke? No need to ask. There are pictures to prove it.

Help me read the writing on that picture.

These kids probably had more balls than your Oyo p***ssy soldiers that lost to women in Dahomey

BabaRamota1980:
I guess you have accepted defeat on the yeye Nri masquerade. Now its to go off and attach to others. Is Dahomey yanminri? Is Fulani yanminri? No.

This thread is Yoruba and Yanminri. When Dahomey and Fulani turn come to face Yoruba we will do it.

Come back to the Nri shyyte. Leave Dahomey and Fulani, stop attaching.

This is how the Priest kings of NRI were buried, Seated on their stool of authority in full glory, show us how your inferior Ooni is buried

MinorityOpinion:
Nice work sir, pls ready the last coronation of Benin King, where is the link to Nri?

Pls Read it and see how Yoruba tradition is part of it. Igbo only hope of relevance in history is the Nri jargons so they hold on to it like their last breath. I have told him " do not quote me without evidence"

Ok sir , this evidence below shows the east of Bini where Ogane comes from

BabaRamota1980:
Why do you yanminri like fables? Why?

The ugliest specie in Nigeria remains Ibo. Whiteman engineered your mind to believe your yellow skin is fine. Now you go around saying you are fine. Images after images have proven you are the ugliest in Nigeria.

Which ethnuc group do you see women having moustache and beards and hairy nippl3s?

I'm serious yeroba interbred with Apes, I'm not making this up.......ask your elders

BabaRamota1980:
If Dahomey had been your neighbor you would be extinct by now. . And Nri will not save you, whoever he is.

Yerobas are born loosers Lost battles to women in Dahomey and went ahead to loose a city state of Ilorin to a band of few Fulani horsemen, Your shame is shaming me, Tueh!!

TAO11:
When the argument is lost, just remain repetitive without addressing the counter arguments.

An obvious sign that my job is done.

Cheers!

Your Job is a bust, you turned East to West by lying about sunrise and sunset, The sun rises in the east and sets in the West, but you ignoramus want to convince me other wise

BabaRamota1980:
Not even oral accounts in the antiquities kept by their neighbors know of anything called Nri. Now check this out, oral history say Ibo is a slave stock. If neighbors know them as slaves why dont they know this yeye Nri?

I personally think the Nri is some masquerade that used to come out as part of their worship culture and it was likely banned and forbidden after Igala conquered the slaves. Now they have turned a fvckng masquerade to a ogane. Bloody kafirs!

Im going to flog a yanminri next time i hear some bullshyte called Nri.

Go to the palace of the Attah of igala or Oba of Bini and learn......Funfact Did you know at some point in early Yeroba history they actually descrended on the evolution ladder and interbred with Apes?..... Thats why the turned out to be one of the ugliest specimen of Human beings on planet earth