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gwafaeziokwu:


Your don follow this guy so tey , oga begin open confession.

Etinosa1234:
Lol U guys said nothing

Y’all have many myths abt oduduwa that u don’t know which is true

Hellraiser77 abeg wey dat article wey another Yoruba historian talk another myth

MinorityOpinion:
Your tribe have no history without attaching yourselves to other tribes like a parasite, the purpose of this thread is 'ogane' who is Ooni of Ife, if you want to talk about your imaginary poto-igbo garbage, open a new thread! I'm sick of you taking everything as a joke. Open a new thread and tag all of us.

BabaRamota1980:
You call me dropout, you call me illiterate but you have attempted the same question three times and failed it.

So i ask again, will you call your ohanaeze illiterates?

BabaRamota1980:
You still havent answered my question. Will you address your ohanaeze and call them illiterates?

TAO12:
If lying to yourself helps you sleep tonight, then keep it up omo Nri.

However, he could read by himself, and even you know this considering the fact that you’ve been quoting him.

And guess what, he did read the piece and he greatly appreciated the historical information presented therein to the effect that the Yoruba people fanned out from their first homeland — Ife around the Niger-Benue confluence.

They moved southwards and westwards to occupy the generally virgin regions one of which retains the name of their initial settlement — Ife.

The 1969 Paul Ozanne preliminary archaeological survey of this newer Ife which these Yoruba groups came to settle is found to be having [b]many settlements flourishing in it by circa 400 BCE.

From about 900 CE, the present day Ife emerged as a the first power and foremost civilization in the Guinea forest.

Several kingdom-founding migrations thus fanned our from this Ife to other parts of Yorubaland (and beyond) to establish monarchical civilizations amongst the different autochthonous Yoruba groups (and some non-Yoruba groups) in the region — including among the Yorubas of the Niger-Benue region from where they all left.

It is to this kingdom-founding migrations that the different Yoruba traditional accounts refer when they speak of the present-day Ife as their cradle.

the first civilization amongst others in the new region and it was this present-day Ife that several kingdom-founding migrations fanned out to establish kingdoms among the other

Oduduwa, on the hand, is a 1000 CE influential Yoruba figure who played a very significant role in the transformation of Yoruba civilization. He became deified after his life and his name got incorporated into ancient pre-existing Yoruba mythology.
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Listen up lad, you appear to be so immersed in ignorance and insecurities that I will have to expend several years of uninterrupted tuition and psychological therapy on you to lift you out from complete drowning and cause you to dwell among humans. I don’t such free years to waste on a very likely failure.

cc: LegendHero, MinorityOpinion, BabaRamota1980

MinorityOpinion:
TAO11 have already proved the Ogane is Ooni of Ife, I wonder what else you want. Ile Ife Origin story that TAO12 used was hypothesis if only you are familiar with the term.

I know it hard to accept defeat but disgracing oneself is much worse. The thread is about ogane and you've been defeated even Christian and Muslim believed in angels, if that one is possible to you and reject this one then you are an hypocrite, mention one thing that Nri kingdom achieve in igboland?

BabaRamota1980:
Gwafaezioku shut your mouth. Shut your freaking mouth.
There is a reason Lagos and Yoruba was the only colony in Nigeria, everything else is a protectorate.

In UK there are memorial stones that immortalize Royal Navy sailors and officers to lost to war in Lagos.

There is nowhere we find any record of Ibo fighting British. Your women rioted over taxation. Thats not war against invasion. Infact, Britain did not invade you. Royal Niger Company, today it is called UAC, occupied and took your land. A set of merchants took your land without a single struggle. After they sold you to British Authority, you became a part of Oil protectorate. We have records of what happened in Yorubaland. Read it and discover Yoruba gallantry.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/180667&ved=2ahUKEwjMmqPHqaDrAhXE1VkKHSV3AnYQFjAEegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw0FYYKjqXnGc0eucN5FvVdt

LegendHero:
When anti spam bot ban you, there are two bans associated with it.

1. You’re banned from commenting totally on any section
2. You’re banned from commenting on the section of the topic you posted in (Culture section) in this scenario.

For the 1:
You will be unbanned automatically in few hours. but you won’t be able to comment on the Culture section and can only comment on other section.

For the 2:
You get unbanned after 24 hours by itself but your comment might be lost. So it’s better you mail the mods moderating the culture section for them to unban you before the 24hrs and restore your post.

The mods moderating culture sections are Odumchi, Bigfrancis21, and Fulaman198.

I think you can just mail the mods and notify them of the issue and tell them to unban you.

TAO12:
Lol. Notice the poor Nri boy exposing his ignorance about the fact of what Yorubas believe for centuries.

Maybe someone should inform poor Nri boy that all Yorubas know about Ife Oodaye, Ife Ooyelagba and all the earlier Ifes as widely discussed in Yoruba tradition. Again, in case he is still confused, can someone remind Omo Nri that these Yoruba accounts state clearly and emphatically that all the people (including his Nri, Aro and all Igbo people) came from this first Ife of the Yorubas —- A region from where till date we still find the name Ife to be much present, the kingship title Onu, and the deity Olojo.

He must have be deceiving only himself now that he has stumbled upon a gold mine just to keep up appearances. I am now not surprised as to why no historian give regards to Igbo history and culture.

Now to the more important thing: LegendHero, MinorityOpinion, BabaRamota1980 — Please guys how do I inform the supermods that I just posted a comment now with my TAO11 account (purely on history) but spambot didn’t allow it??

I don’t want the comment get lost just like that. It is a continuation of my earlier comment about the dispersal of SoutherNigerians from a common region in the Niger-Benue confluence and above.

Please guys help do something to retrieve it I beg of you all. I posted it with my TAO11 account just now.

Thanks.

MinorityOpinion:
Reason why I refuse to engage here is while a party is doing sleepless night researches putting his point together and proving what the other parties have been arguing about in almost 25 pages of NL, he unraveled it in 1 page. This party solved the mistery of Ogane to extent of convincing sane neutral minds and backing it up with histories documented by the Binis and the white European researchers.

The other party couldn't put up one article with authentic source that prove Nri was the Ogane, even the other igbo clans consider the Nri worthless. That shameless party did all they can to sidetrack after the pathetic defeat by mentioning the Dahomey, Ijebu Iworis that was not part of the discussions, the leader of the shameless party went far by quoting several Shakespeare quotes when he was overwhelmed with facts and facts.

Then when TAO11 say anything about Ife, their tiny Nri **** will rise up and pick only the part that is amusing to them ignoring the write up was to educate them on what they know nothing about.

I don't engage in shameless and Unintelligent rants, I will say it for the last time Ife is not your f.ucking mate and Ogane is Ooni of Ife. Bye.

Etinosa1234:
Lol.... African history is not something u believe wholeheartedly sha

TAO11:
The most recent comments being exchanged here are nothing but a celebration of ignorance. I wish I now have the same luxury of time which I used to have while educating the Binis to have helped with killing their ignorance and blatant falsehoods.

In any case, I would touch on some of these insecurity/ignorance-induced claims in the hope to guide some naive readers who otherwise may have ingested all of these sh** hook, line, and sinker without hesitation and scrutiny.


(1) The erroneous conclusion that the Ijebu-Ode settlement or kingdom is older than present-day Ife — due to the fact that present-day Ife is the final site of prior older and obviously more ancient Ife sites — is obvious enough in itself as a grossly unfounded and illogical conclusion.

For those who process information quite slowly (and as such struggle to comprehend why this conclusion is obviously unfounded and illogical), consider the analogy that my current car is my 7th one, is there any reason then to insist/conclude from this fact that your current car predates my current one??

The problem inherent in the above conclusion must have become too obvious now at this point.

(2) The idea that present-day Ife of the Yorubas is the last in a series of prior more ancient Ifes of the Yorubas is well established in extant Yoruba traditional accounts. This is well-known by the Yorubas themselves.

For example, the Yoruba traditional accounts in its unique attempt at describing the earliest beginnings (of the Yorubas from whom others are said to have sprang) always make clear and emphatic reference to the first homeland of the Yorubas (called: Ife-Ooyelagbo) as being distinctively characterized by a very large body of water.

This traditional account is well-established in the Ifa corpus as Professor Wander Abimbola (a distinguished Babalawo and former VC of the University of Ile-Ife) has rightly noted in his ”The Literature of the Ifa Cult” cited in B. Lawal (1977), p.210.

Moreover, this tradition is also alluded to in A.F.C. Ryder (1965:37) to have long been captured in writing by a certain early Yoruba historian, J.O. George who is noted to have documented in circa 1895 that “the old Ile-Ife was much farther in the interior”.

In furtherance of this point, A.F.C. Ryder (ibid) also alluded to the writing of the missionary, T.J. Bowen who is said to have been informed in circa 1857 about an Ife standing upon “‘the sea’“. Ryder added a footnote here to clarify that this reference to the sea describes ”the great rivers of the interior”.

(3) Interestingly, this well-known Yoruba traditional account, which speaks of the earliest Ife of the Yoruba people (and hence of other peoples too) as lying further in the interior around a large body of water, has been found to be quite fairly corroborated by ethnographic, historical, linguistic, and archaeological evidence.

For example, linguistic and archaeology has come to show that the dispersal point of (at least) the people south of today’s Nigeria, as different ethno-linguistic groups, is from some region around the Niger-Benue confluence.

To quote the words of an emeritus Professor of African and Yoruba History, S.A. Akintoye. who after having combed thoroughly through the intricate technicalities of the linguistic and archaeological finds summarizes as follows:

“The clear implication of all this is that the origin of the Yoruba people as a linguistic and ethnic group belongs in the process of slow differentiation of proto-groups which occurred in the Middle Niger and around the Niger-Benue confluence, beginning about 4000 BC and continuing for thousands of years. It is, therefore, in this area that we must find the first home of the Yorubas as one people — the area close to the Niger-Benue confluence and further up the Niger, where the southern Nupe and the far northeastern Yoruba groups — the Yagba, Jumu, Ikiri, Owodo, Owe, and Bunu (now collectively called the Okun Yoruba by some scholars) — and the northernmost Igbomina, live today. From that original center, the Yoruba group spread out, over many centuries, towards the south and west.” — S.A. Akintoye, “A History of the Yoruba People”, Amalion Publishing, 2010, p.7.

It is noteworthy that the conclusion summarized above is an established consensus in the field of African and Yoruba History, and it based on linguistic and archaeological finds among others.

This same conclusion can be seen below in the words of Professor Robin Horton in his “Ancient Ife: A Reassessment”:

”From a nucleus somewhere in the area of the Niger-Benue Confluence, proto-Yoruba speakers fanned our into the lands to the west and south-west. Among the migrants were the ancestors of the people of Ife. — Robin Horton, “Ancient Ife: A Reassessment”, Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria, Vol. 9, No. 4 (June 1979), p. 140.

Moreover, Professor Robin Horton illustrates this point on page 96 of the same work using the imagery shown below:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12143952_screenshot20200816at10_46_25am_jpeg5112e8152924c301c81f57bec18f67dc

Further evidence besides archaeological and linguistic ones (whose conclusion is summarized above) comes from the fact that a number of present-day settlements around the Niger-Benue confluence still bears the name “Ife”, e.g. Ife-Ijumu — a Yoruba town in Kogi State.

In fact, an interesting piece of ethnographic evidence is found in the fact that there is another town in the same state (Kogi State) which simply goes by the name “Ife”.

What is particularly interesting about this Ife town (which is specifically located in Idah) is the fact that its ”head chief bears the title Onu which recalls the Oni [sic] of modern Ife”[/i].

More to this interesting piece of information is the fact that ”one of the most important deities in [b]Idah is Olojo, which recalls another deity bearing [exactly] the same name in modern Ife”. — see: Babatunde Lawal, (1977), p.212.

In sum, all of these evidence come to serve as a very strong corroboration for the well-known Yoruba traditional accounts which hold that the first Ife of the Yoruba people (and other peoples as well) is not the present-day Ife (in Osun State), but rather a town in a quite central location, and characterized distinctively by a very large body of water.

(4) Having established this point as a historical fact, how come then that the extant traditional accounts of all the Yoruba people (as well as some non-Yoruba people such as many Edo peoples, and many Fon peoples outside of Nigeria, among others) inherently hold strongly to the belief in some revered primacy for present-day Ife??

Shall we just simply assume that this was merely some relatively modern development (necessitated by some relatively modern politics) simply forced down the throats of these supposedly gulluble and voiceless people against their will — including those non-Yoruba-non-Nigerian Fons among others??

To go the route of this weird assumption is obviously to be sacrificing too much of common sense and reason so as to allow to prejudice thrive.

Keep reading to find out how present-day Ife became what it became in ancient times among the other Yoruba subgroups (and some non-Yoruba) with whom they all left the initial region for their respective present locations at about the same time.

cc: LegendHero, MinorityOpinion, BabaRamota1980, macof

Etinosa1234:
The last sentence Sha.. even supported by a Yoruba person

Yorubas contend that Oduduwa came from the sky , some say he came from Middle East

The Benin believe that he was the son of the last Ogiso Owodo and he went to Ife where it was prophecied that their king will come from the bush

Ur article says that it was believed Oduduwa came from the far east...and Benin happens to be East

Taking this article into consideration it can be that the Oduduwa might be Benin after all..

And Middle East doesn't have any record of any prince leaving their city to faraway africa

This is just my biased opinion tho... until someone proves otherwise

Gregyboy wtf77 Areafada2

Oduduwa was the first ever Sky diver in History

Hunchogee:
And now the mods will be happy to tribalistically take this to the front page... Stupid set of tribalitic body

LegendHero:
LOL!

Remember I was actually the first person to give you the bolded advice yesterday?

Good to see you taking to correction and trying to make use of what you learned.

You’re too serious, sometimes it’s good to spice up the thread with some comedy and cool down boiling spirits.

By the way, UdechiHD seems not to be a fan of Nri just as Babaramota77 predicted yesterday that you guys shouldn’t let the true Igbos hear all your previous claim of Nri superiority over other Igbos.

You are the official clown here , Bringing comedy and entertainment

But you quack Nairaland yoruba Historians have failed to see yoruba people beyond ife , A very young kingdom that was nothing to yoruba culture until the 20th century when archeological findings revealed it may have had ceremonial importance to yoruba up until around the 15th century, after this discovery all yoruba groups started spinning fairy tales to connect themselves to Ile ife

LegendHero:
Lol, both of you are comedians.

I’m happy you guys finally found your voices coz the battering of yesterday will go down in history as a day of rage for Mr Hellraiser77.

Legend has it that he lost his sanity as a man and started uploading Shakespearean quotes to save his eroding sense of honor.

If I am actually a child, then the whole Igbo intellectual cliques should be ashamed that a Yoruba child took them to the cleaners.



Yes I’m very funny. I always use the stick and carrot approach when trying to deal with someone below my reasoning faculty. I am also merciful and that explained why I tried to be my brother’s keeper yesterday by telling you a short story to heal you from the pain that TAO11 inflicted on you.

So I’m also bad in English composition? I think I have to enroll in Nri composition school in Alaigbo to sharpen my composition. I heard they [b]spleak good Engrish in NRI kingdom.

[b]The clown of the thread has arrived to entertain as Usual , No contribution to the topic on ground just empty Ramblings and Tantrum throwing

If the thread is too Advanced for your mental capacity why don't you just shut up

UdechiHD:
You’re still grasping at stalls Mr Man. Nri has nothing on Igbo culture, they are only attaché by force people who pranced on the thriving Divination/Chief Priest business of yester years to form one nonsense hegemony. I can even elevate Aro a little because their impact was felt even as far as Cameroon. And if not for the coming of the British, they would have finally conquered the whole old eastern Nigeria, up to the middle belt. Igbo land would have become what Oyo was to Yorubaland. A large expanse of land from north down to the sea. However, they were distracted and chased slave trade rather than build an empire.

So please this Nri hogwash is stale and only IPOB clown find solace in it because it connects them to their Jewish links from Gad.

One thing about the Igbo culture is that it is ancient. And any group trying to form Parent or Father ends up getting embarassed and disgraced. Stop hyping this small Nri. The four market days of Ndigbo is as ancient as the Igbo people. Umueri/Eri groups didn’t found anything. What they actually did was promote the culture end of. A culture that has thrived when they once’s habituated the middle-belt before their ouster by the Igala’s.

UdechiHD:
Yoruba history is bigger than Ife. There is no way Ife can claim Yoruba parentage when it is among a host of younger tribes. The Ijebu migrations from Sudan story is just a way to prove to people that they were in existence before the birth of Ife. This no means trying to deny themselves from the larger Yoruba group. The same for the Awori’s and a host of tribes with a distinct migration story. The only thing that Ife did was unite the warring Yoruba tribes as one people. Awolowo and Yoruba historians did a whole lot of magic with this Ife thing and till date Yoruba’s are still grappling with understanding life or culture outside Ife.

UdechiHD:
Lol! He has been fed with Ife fairytales for long. At least the Benin’s talk about the Ogiso dynasty. But the Yoruba’s keep downplaying Obatala all to elevate Oduduwa from the sky. I have never seen a so-called fraudulent history with no archeological findings. All we know of Ife are mask that thrived same time as the Benin carvings.

Each passing day the Ife scam is becoming a joke. And the Benin’s are quickly pulling out from the fishnet. Ife is looking more like a tourist center built on fairytales and lies all to elevate the economic potential of a sleeping town. I think Nri needs to read the Ife blueprint and maybe Ndigbo can push Agukwu Nri village to a UNESCO tourist site.

UdechiHD:
Ife is to Yorubaland what Nri/Aro are to Igboland. Ife a youngster claiming parent to Ijebu a tribe far older than it. It’s the same thing the Nri and Aro guys are doing in Igboland.

I won’t be surprised if Benin is even older than Ife. Yoruba historians have a long way to go if they think this Oduduwa fairytale would outlast the 21st century. Because a lot of new twist to quash the fake falling from the sky historians has been debunked. No wonder the Benin dudes like Ghostwon, Edeyoung are now speaking up and telling the world a new story.

UdechiHD:
Lol! The Legendhero has the aura of a child. I can smell an adolescent from here. He’s trying to change the topic after obviously been beaten in this cultural class.

TAO11:
Egun actually aren’t a sub-group of the Yoruba group — they may be of yeroba though.

Your ‘ignoLance’ is ‘unbeRievabRy’ mighty and ‘gLand’.

cc: LegendHero, MinorityOpinion, BabaRamota1980.

TAO11:
His predecessors accepted it whatcha say? Silence of course.

Oba Adetona is the king of only one (of several Ijebu kingdoms) — and that is Ijebu-Ode

Fifteen years before Oba Adetona’s birth, Ijebu-Ode’s extant traditional account (which speaks of the three waves of kingdom-founding migration from Ife) was already captured into writing (during the reign of his predecessor) by D. O. Epega, 1919.

Moreover, unlike in Igboland, Yoruba kings don’t necessarily double as historians. And we don’t insult our elders even when they’re mistaken. We are not Igbos.

BabaRamota1980:
Can you call your ohanaeze illiterate? You freak. Dont make me embarass your entire state and this second class Nri with some records on what Igala did to your ancestors. Watch yasef.

LegendHero:
Let me tell you a short story.

Once upon a time, Pazienza (Ofoigbo) created a thread about Awolowo and free education and he was dancing in the village square with his Nairaland disciples cheering him on.

Then a Legend came along to refute all his argument and hammered him with superior evidence that showed that he was actually wrong about Awo and he also pressed further to show him the Eastern Region was actually the poorest during the Regional government at some point.

When Pazienza saw that his defeat is nigh, he cried to the Mods with all the strength he could muster and pleaded that they should help him close down the thread of his own creation. When the mods were slow to granting his desire, he hastily changed the Topic of his own thread to “This thread was compromised by powers that be”.

Below image is a screenshot of that said thread before the Mods deleted the thread completely.

Please my friend Hellraiser, don’t make the same mistake Ofoigbo made a long time ago, you should rather learn from his mistake and abstain from further commenting on this thread.

The scenario is playing here again with TAO11 playing the role of the Legend while you are playing the role of Pazienza.

Notable mention are Babaramota1980 and Minorityopinion who both carefully orchestrated your psychological torture.

You might want to ask the identity of the first legend in this short story, I will tell you only if you plead to know!

LegendHero:
My guy you actually saw hell tonight oo.

if I were you, I will just delete my moniker and open another one.

That is the only way to redeem your image.