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Kagawa10:
Pep trains defenders to be good on the ball and the likes of Puyol, Abidal, Masherano were what?

The fact that he made that claim in the media doesn't negate the fact that he's already rueing his decision to sign Stones. He already dropped Stone in some games but his other options were just as worse!

One thing I noticed about Pep is that he hardly criticised his players in the media and could be the reason he told the media that he doesn't train his players to tackle as a sweeping blanket comment to protect his players! He could have thrown Stones under the bus but he didn't.

Anyway, na his problem be that! Nobody told him not get beta players in the summer!

Those players you mentioned were already established hard tackler before pep was appointed as Barca coach.

nateevs:
You see? This is the difference between both sides of the arguments. You ahve asked all the questions you want to hear - The comfortable ones. I didn't see you ask, what happens if he gets all he needs and then goes on to dominate?

The truth is, your mind surpresses that question and makes you think it is not possible. The truth however is not that it isn't, it that you desperately don't want it to be true.



I on the other hand, have asked both and my response thus: If he gets what he needs and phucks it up, then he will be forever known as an actor, spared by the brilliance of Messi. However, if the converse scenario occurs, he will be legendary as I suspect he will. I just lean on the side of facts, he has reproduced it where he has gone and been successful with it. Why should I join the train of thinking his style doesn't work in the PL when I can clearly see that Fernandinho is no Xavi?




And I don't think you understand the hiring part very well. You do realise that most of those peops have been hired before they got Pep right? Now that's another fact your mind is trying to surpress.


Face it Lalaboi, he was hired because of his style.

Yes he was hired because of his style but it didn't end there. City owner expect him to use that style to conquer like he did with Barcelona but no Messi and co this time.

The truth is Pep is not a great tactician like mou, ancelotti, conte, klopp, someone..

Pep is just like an ajebutter who can't survive in the ghetto.

Kagawa10:
Pep could be blamed for his signings but the team's poor play isn't his fault! Just tell me what he could have done in the absence of Fernandinho, their most important player in the team? He had no option than to either put in a makeshift or deploy Fernando in his place in front of a defence that's already there to be taking. A defence of useless players such as Clichy, Stones, Otamendi and Sagna?

And yes, they are poor! Otamendi isn't different from the player Rashford consistently rubbished last season and Kolarov isn't even a defender to begin with. Even while Pellegrini was there, he hardly trusted Kolarov because he's not only too attack minded for a fullback but also, has poor positional discipline, he's not different from Liverpool's Moreno. Pray tell why haven't Klopp done wonder on Alberto Moreno? And now that Kolarov's ageing, he's become much more worse.

Not forgetting the useless Clichy. Or the ageing players whose prime is behind them already. Players such as Zabelata, Yaya. Etc.

And this is not about Milner moving to the fullback. We all know Milner is a limited but hardworking utility player who can play as a box-box CM in midfield or as a winger on the wing. Converting him into a fullback would always be on the card for him. And Widjanum has never been sluggish! Didn't you see him alongside De Jong at the WC or at Newcastle?

Anyway, for a player to be converted, he must have shown some trait in such roles! Take Azpli for example, we all know his attacking play and energetic runs are quite lacking as a fullback however his defensive skills is one of the best, hence the shift to the CB role.. Another is Tony Valencia, he's got solid defensive skills, can make good runs but has poor end product and it's no strange that he was eventually converted to a fullback.

You can't just convert a player for the sake it. You could probably try them once or twice in the role but have to immediately pull them off it as soon as they show no sign of adaptability in the said role. I believe and understand that Pep already went through this route but his players are just piss poor.

I think one thing he needs to do fast is to find a good option for Fernandinho in his role because he's their most important player in the team and also, he needs to reinstate Nolito back into the team, the guy's off the ball movement has done wonders for City this season but sadly, he's much of a nutcase as Fernandinho.

what you guys failed to see about pep is that he doesn't train defenders to be tackler rather to be good with the ball in their feet and you can't try that in epl. That's part of the overrating of pep we are talking about.

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You can't defend Pep

Inherited the best, spent the most.....

After beating West Ham 5-0,the proud man said he knows the EPL code until Everton changed the password

The best attacking talents aren't scoring goals so don't tell me it's about the defence


Conte has improved Hazard, Costa, Pedro, Luis, A pic, Moses
Klopp has improved Coutinho, Firmino, Can, Clyne
Mourinho has improved Rojo, Jones, Valencia, Herrera

Please name one player that Pep has improved at City?? Little wonder the baldinho wanted 11 new players for Chelsea ,he can't make players better

Is Nateevs going to tell me that as at August Rojo, Jones and Darmian were better than Mangala, Demichelis,Stones and Sagna

Klopp is killing it with Klavan,Lovren and Lucas.... Even Miller na LB

leave them make them dey make excuse they can never make for mou. Someone that said he doesn't train tackle, in epl and you expect him not to chop 4.
This is what you get when you are been pampered to the top unlike mou that started with under dog. You can't bring the best out of any city players instead you want to pass around and expect the player to do magic for you.

What I have observe about pep's Bayern and now city is that he weaken team resilience. I know how Bayern play before pep was appointed.

Ibime:
He was given £180m and went to buy 5 wingers (Sane, Nolito, Jesus, Moreno, Kapuztkis) and only 1 CM (Gundogan), 1 CB (Stones) and 1 basket (Bravo)

He was given the money and he failed.

Instead of strengthening the spine of his team, he was busy buying wingers to join Silva, Sterling, DeBruyne, Nasri and Navas he already found there. Is he Emenalo in disguise?

The truth is this, it is the first time Pep is 100% handling transfer dealings.

dmcdad:
Here are the 10 most expensive players in the world according to the CIES:

How come an overrated Neymar is far more valuable than Hazard? Besides, look at their positions.


Cc: Chelseafan1, raumdeuter.

With this it is now official you don't know football.

ollah1:
Why are u switching from pillar to post? Initially you said it can't work then it worked for Arsenal and now it can't work again. Lol. Lemme know when you switch to the dugout.





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You are the one not understanding cos I stated all this initially.

ollah1:
The latter is hailed cos he made the team. He gave youths chances and gave the old confidences. How come Pep is hailed in your sentence? Ain't he supposed to be the "overrated one".

An average coach that wins minimum of 4 trophies per year.. how brilliant are you again?




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yes he has been hailed over the years but football world are still skeptical about his managerial skills. People are waiting for this day when he will be appointed in epl to really access him. Minimum of four trophies? Even siasia can win Bayern Liga. I repeat this is his first test as a coach, if he can conquer epl like he did in Spain I will be the first to hail him to high heaven.

ollah1:
You might not have said it but on this thread, loads of ur fellow fans said it.
You initially said possessive football can work in EPL. SMH!!




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yeah it can't work when you set up your team to play soft touch football like pep. Do you know Chelsea play ball possession football under conte but with grit and tactical awareness. For example cortoise rarely shoot out the ball except when opponent striker close up the three CB.

ollah1:
Oh really?? How come Tata Martino didn't win jack sh*t with almost same team?





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But Enrique won everything with almost same thing. What does that tell you, does it make Enrique rated as the next best thing after slice bread huh. Enrique did what pep did at Barca why is the later hailed? Cos Enrique has been exposed as average coach before been appointed as Barca coach.

ollah1:
Man city have a team of retired legs and injury prone dudes. I laugh at you guys sometimes when you scream something can't work in EPL. When Conte was said to ahead won the scudetto deploying a 3 man defence, you ridiculed it that it can't work in EPL. Who's on top of the league at the moment?

Didn't arsenal win EPL with possessive football? The inconsistencies with Arsenal over the years have been sales of ripe players and insufficient replacement and not their pattern of play.





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I never said conte will not succeed with three back line. Conte is Italian and we all know how they set up their team(warrior mode activated). Yeah arsenal won with ball possession because the competition wasn't high then.

ollah1:
He has been better than Mou in the last 3 years.




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Thats because he has been managing already made team. This is his first test as a coach.

ollah1:
And you lots that have sense have refused to make use of it. What quality players does man city have? Aguero that is always injured. Silva that is always injured. Nasri that wasn't consistent or an ageing Yaya toure.


Or you wanna talk about the leakage in the defence and their ages. Call a spade a spade. Man city doesn't have a team and you lots should quit writing nonsense about them been the best team.

Man city have a team it is just the coach phylosophy that is the problem. Same thing was said about Chelsea team start of season that they don't have a team to compete with manure and man city for the title. Pep game is about playing softly, keeping possession from the goalkeeper to striker which doesn't work in epl. Your player go dey chop injury in this type of tactics which will now make the team incosistent. Arsenal have been suffering from this over the years.

raumdeuter:
Anytime Pep touches a team we suddenly hear they were superior to this and that

2008 Manure beat Barca, a yr later Pep touched Barca and Barca beat Manure. Ibime verdict Barca has always been better
2012 Chelsea beat Bayern on Penalties, a year later Pep with Bayern beat Chelsea. Ibimes verdict Bayern has alwys been better
2012 Group stages Bayern 2 city 2. 2014 Bayern 5 City 4. Ibimes verdict Bayern has always been better
2013 Bayern overcame Arsenal on away goals, A yr later Bayern beat Arsenal convincingly. Ibimes verdict Bayern has always been better


Everyone can now see that the excess fat has been converting to oestrogen and making ibime feminine and emotional in his argument

Under Tata martino Barca were sub par Enrique came and won everything does that make him any better than mou or any top coaches around.

raumdeuter:
12 months earlier SAF defeated the same Barcelona in the CL semi finals.

2007 Liverpool eliminated Barca, 2008 Manure eliminated Barca

2008 Barca hired Pep

2009 Barca with a decimated team beat Manure
2011 Barca again beat Manure in the queens backyard at wembley

His success at Bayern yes. 3 straught semi final. He was grouped with an EPL team 3 seasons and he topped the group all time. No time has Pep at Bayern lost on aggregates to an EPL side

You don't even know pep made muller ineffective now by playing him out of position. Before Pep muller was a beast.

raumdeuter:
WHich point does it prove? Barca before Pep were getting eliminated in CL by EPL teams, Once Pep got there he started using those EPL team as punching bag starting with the best team of that era Manure

This sounds very ignorant, Is Pep playing tiki taka? Some of you are just funny, when Pep wins they will say its because he is adapting and playing long balls, when he losses they will say its because he is playing tiki taka

WHen will you make up your mind

Barca at their peak played Manure and beat them soundly even in Wembley like a celestial church drum, they met Assanal and beat them well too

Even Enrique will defeat SAF with that Barca squad and arsenal is arsenal any time any day. Like I said this team can be beaten by Barca. It is not really about coach for Barca, just make Messi and others happy you are good to go.

Less I forget, Barca before pep defeated epl team too.

Btw, why are you not mentioning his success at Bayern? Oh no need for that. Lol.

raumdeuter:
Yet when Pep and Barca face all these EPL teams they rappe them brutally, Pep won his 2 CL vs the EPL best coach. Pep and Barca turned most of the EPL teams they play into punching bags

Currently the City team is old and the supposed replacements are injured

I like how you are now adding Barca to pep's victory against manure/SAF. It prove my point.

Old? Is that an excuse to get trashed by Everton. When we were telling you pep style of play will cost him in epl you think we don't know what we were saying huh. Remember I told you this; if pep want to play tiki taka in epl then his player should be ready to go arsenal way. Barca team then were meeting arsenal and Manure who play quality football because they are top team in epl. If only football governing body can allow that Barca team then to participate in epl players like iniesta, xavi and Messi will be nursing injury and without this players their dorminance wouldve been hurt then. This is what arsenal has been suffering over the years in epl.

As a team in epl, you can't be playing soft game with tiki taka and expect your players to remain fit, this is not possible in epl.

Rip

TRendlona:
So why did we kick him out??

Read my post again. Fab was not used to what Barca wanted him to play. Fab is an adventurous midfielder(epl type of midfielders), their goals and assist stat can testify to this but not so in la liga. But if it were to be now Barca wouldn't have sold him due to the reduction of tiki taka.

TRendlona:
Iniesta wouldn't have been great in Chelsea? Tell me why Fraudregas that couldn't deliver well in Barca delivered well in Chelsea.

Thats because Barca have a system and fab didn't develop with it. Statically, fab performed well for Barca.

dyabman:
Best post ever ! I don't care if we get sanchez for 70million to replace hazard.

I dey tell you bro. no time.

This is what you get when you start doing business with china, they will be on your case

Ibime:
Fabio was already a beast under SAF. He will thrive in any attacking fullback or wingback position.

He wasn't bro rather, Fabio was just a raw talent.

Ibime:
If Willian is £75m, Hazard should be no less than £150m.

BTW, I hope you, Chelseafan1, hensben etc know that Hazard will try to leave Chelsea this summer because he said he would leave after another title..

If Hazard leaves then we should get Sanchez, he is unsettle at Arsenal.

Ibime:
We should have asked Boro to give us Fabio (as Moses backup) in exchange for Bamford.

Infact I don't know why Barca didn't go for him to replace Dani Alves.

Do you know why i will agree with you on this because of conte. He can turn any player to beast.

diggz:
This season actually provides us with the much needed opportunity to test players like Ake ,cholabah ,RLC n co. Let us even see if they will fit or not. This guys are in their early twenties if I am not mistaken and they can't keep going on loans forever. We can use this period to test and ship out those we won't need anymore instead of stockpiling players.

Chris,kalas and Wallace readily comes to mind for the backline. Asides Ake, I am not sure we have any viable prospects for the left back position.

Our major worry should be the number 9 position, with all the Costa drama. Also, I still don't trust Alonso so I wouldn't mind a direct competition for him since from all indications Ake is likely to compete with Cahill for his position.

Once again you are right on testing the youth players in the squad currently and i commend conte, he has been doing that so far.

About the CF position, Costa can leave if he still insist. With hazard, pedro batman and one experienced but old striker signed we can still win the league. I repeat, no major signing should be done this january. I was thinking Ake can compete with alonso but if that is the plan of conte that is, to use ake as LCB new LWB should be signed end of season.

Lastly, i see January signings as panic buy. no club want to sell their star player during this transfer window.

diggz:
We may not have like for like replacements for either matic or Kante however, we have fabregas, cholabah and Ake (recently back from loan). Except any of those three are getting loaned out or sold in this window I am sorry,we are definitely ok in the midfield area.

You are spot on mr diggz. We only have epl and FA cup to play so why the need for more signings. However, this can be addressed end of season that is, during summer transfer window due to ucl games next season. We need one more quality midfielder, a striker, rwb to compete with moses and a quality ball playing CB. Not forgetting christensen, he should be recalled.

airmark:
I want that belotti to replace diego. That boy is d0pe.

airmark good morning.

i don't trust italian players in epl, i only trust their coaches. Talking from experience over the years

raumdeuter:
Pep handed Mourinho his worst career loss, Pep has proven himself in the CL winning 2 titles against the EPL best manager of all time

Yeah he defeated a madrid side that was on a rebuilding process. real madrid was lyon's wife before mou came, he built the team to be formidable again that the fans are enjoying now. won with inter and porto. won with chelsea several trophies.

pep should win ucl with under dogs first and also conquer epl like you said, it is an overrated league. To me pep is overrated until he prove himself outside barcelona like mou. if not that enrique was exposed before appointed as barca coach you and your likes could have been comparing him with mou by now.Same goes for some players. a player like bousquet will be breezed pass in epl as a DM, pique too. sergio ramos will do well here due to his style of play. what i am saying is that epl is not by having talent like bousquet and pique but you have to be tough and agile to succeed here like ramos.

Now before you yarn opata i support barcelona ahead of real madrid in la liga. i played the game of football if not for injury that made me to change profession so i know what i am saying, i like to be objective when analyzing the game. Most of you here(barca fan especially) are club fan, you are not a football fan reason you analyze the game sentimentally.

Have you ask yourself why claudio rinieri was given best coach of the year instead of zidane cos pep case is an eye opener just like leicester winning epl is an eye opener to arsenal fan, before they used to give arsene wenger excuses.

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75m for Willian


I volunteer to pay for his ticket and accommodation in China

no no no

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Reasons why I love Conte

1-Tactically on point
2- Loves youth
3-Attacking minded
4-Arsenal
5-handles controversy with Elegance and Class
6-Man United

I just love the man. I pray his reign in CFC last for decades.

raumdeuter:
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Watford 3 Man Utd 1
West Brom 3 Chelsea 0

Mr what are you saying? mou has proved himself in this league. Let pep do same before you have effrontery to troll mou.

The truth is pep is an overrated coach who got his first top flight job in a platter of gold(barca) and people like you think he is the best thing after slice bread.