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paxonel:
certainly, Matthew 24:31 is not talking about rapture.
infact, the whole Matthew 24 was a direct quotation of a written prophecy quoted by Jesus to his disciples on that day when the world ended.
Do you know that the world has already ended?
it ended since 2000 years ago.
another figurative language.
lol

you funny o,
which would has ended?

this is not rapture,
But certainly, Matthew 24:31 is talking about rapture. Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
The trumpet shall sound, rapture will surely come

denisbid:
am i the government?

you should known the government are not people in position, the government is me and you

Iceflox:
churches conditioned our mindset to restrict our love for God to doing the work of God inside church and to love only our church members, neglecting the people living around our residential areas , especially when they do not share the same faith with us.
some churches even sited the Scripture, do not be equally yoked with unbelievers.
This is why other people's welfare can never be our business

You are not sharing the same faith with Nigerian christians or you are not their church member automatically you are a stranger.
There is this inherent fear that prevents them from fully interact and trust you.
the same thing goes to Muslims in the north
this explained why there is lark of trust between Muslims and christians

denisbid:
If people chooses to live their lives waywardly, how is it my business? why should i suffer for the wrong doing of other people?

You should be thinking of solutions to the plight of the poor rather than exempting yourself

flexybobo:
someone contributes money to build a church like this, but this is where he lives happily

Do you mean, after enjoying the AC inside church every Sunday, they will come back to this mess on Monday?
lol

Proximo73:
please tell him o,
i do not know if nigerians do not see certain things in the bible?
if they do, they will simply stop going to church,stop running after pastors and face their personal lives.
Nigerians are too religious

when people read bible, they intend to see what they want to see or what their pastors tells them in church rather than seeing what the writter of that Scripture intended to portray.

flexybobo:
we tell them to stop comiting sin or you will not make heaven. That is the only way we can get people not to comit sin

By making people to fear where the fear do not exist?

twosquare:
Jesus defeated death and same key He gave for everyone to defeat death...the reason people still die is because they have not tap into the knowledge which Christ made available that you may not die( I mean physically). Those who die in the Lord slept, not die per say. But dying physically is ignorance because we have not walked by that very Knowledge. When we do, we won't have any iota of death in our system. What Christ came to do is to show men and teach men how not to die(he wasn't teaching religion but Spirit). Satan took like 800+ yrs to teach Adam how to die...and even before Christ came in the flesh, some people learnt that secret from Him in ages past and skipped death. People like Enoch, Melchizedek, Elijah, and after Him John the beloved and some first century christians that weren't recorded.

If any person tells you that you're meant to die, tell him or her you've died in Christ and your burial ground is in Jerusalem. It is a place to start and if you keep walking and access this secrets by revelation, you will skipped just as those before you did. Skipping death in the coming days will be so normal that if you die a hundred yrs old, you will be regarded as unlucky.

We have some of these people in our midst and some claimed to have met them.....the Ever Living Ones like the desert fathers, Enoch, clouds of witnesses, like the 2men( not 2 angels) seen at the mount of Galilee when Jesus ascended etc. So, death has been defeated, we are only being cheated.

that's true!
we are crucified with Christ

paxonel:
that thing you called death is not death, it is sleep.
Death has been defeated.
Have you read down to verse 26?
Revelation 21:26 says And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
The question is, If heaven is beyond the clouds how do the nations of the earth bring their glory into it?
they will climb ladder?
lol

revelation says there will be no death in heaven.
And you are saying death has been defeated on earth which is the same situation in heaven,no doubt.
But how is death defeated? i mean, people die everyday

me, I'm faithful o

flexybobo:
the op is not straight forward, except this is what he is trying to portray .
for couples to be romantic they have to know how to be nice first, to everybody. otherwise, their romance will not be true romance.
the reason is that, if the girl for instance do not know how to be nice to people, definitely, she will never know how to be nice to her spouse.
what she know is, she is in love, but she will not know how to go about loving him.
Then, a situation where the guy begins to endure the marriage set in, before you know there will be brake up.
so, being nice to people, though is not romance,is a necessary ingredient to make romance work. that's why they can be used interchangably in some context

hmm!
that means, a persons ability to be hospitable and friendly to other people will translate to his or her ability to be romantic to his or her spouse?

Proximo73:
it is their experience with guys.
some guys are very forward.
You give them privilege
They will want to take the full village

thank you very much,, it is the guys o,
even if you tell them you are married they will still want to tempt you to fall.
that's why we give them cold face and be firm with our decision

denisbid:
impossible!
why then do Messages are saying repent for the kingdom of God is at hand?
and rapture is coming?

the kingdom of heaven used to be at hand at the period Christ was about to be crucified,
it is not at hand anymore because Jesus has been crucified and he is resurrected

NnaNna4:
King James Bible
Lo, this only have I found, that God hath
made man upright; but they have sought out
many inventions.

ecclesiastic 7:29

IN SUMMARY

While God has done his part creating man, it man's part now to dominate the earth through inventions. Inventions are meant to boost the worship of God and not otherwise.

you are right

annyplenty:
TOPIC: PREPARING FOR RAPTURE (PART3): BEING FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT

TEXTS: REVELATIONS 22: 7, 12, 17, 20

REVELATIONS 22: 7, 12, 17, 20 (KJV)

7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
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12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
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17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
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20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.


INTRODUCTION

From our texts above, we can see that Our Lord, Jesus Christ, finished His revelations to John, The Apostle, with emphatic repetitions of the statement; ‘I come quickly’. He repeated this statement three times. The first time He rendered the statement, He was giving a warning, (revelations 22:7). The second time He rendered the statement, He was giving a warning, as well, (revelations 22:12). But the third time, He was not giving a warning. He gave an assurance; a statement of certainty.

Our Lord, Jesus Christ, changed from a statement of warning to a statement of certainty when The Bride of Christ joined The Holy Spirit to ask Him (Jesus) to come after the second warning (revelations 22:17). Assurance came when The Bride teamed up with The Holy Spirit. In the whole of the Bible, The last words credited to our Lord, Jesus Christ, was those words of assurance of His coming and words came after Bride Partnered with The Spirit.

Bride of Christ, for you to meet with the Lord, Jesus Christ, at rapture, you have to partner with the Holy Spirit. Now, You need the Holy Spirit more than ever before. We are living in a very abnormal season, when everything is happening in abnormal form. If you fail to partner with The Holy Spirit, your strength, wisdom and ability will fail you. The Spirit is already calling on you for partnership. He says; And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.


WHY YOU NEED THE HOLY SPIRIT MORE THAN BEFORE, AT THIS TIME

Prophecies about this time, the end-time, are well and clearly spelt out in the Bible, The True Word of God. A lot of events have been prophesied aforetime to characterize this time and set it apart from all other times and generations before our own. Let us mention some unusual indexes of this time and expatiate why you need The Holy Spirit with respect to these situations.

1. Courage in times of Great Disasters/Calamities:

The Bible prophesied that disasters as we have never witnessed since creation would begin to happen just as the prophecies are fulfilling now and we have been witnessing an unusual surge in different types of disasters/calamities in recent times; earthquakes, plane crashes, tsunamis, volcanic eruption and so on. In fact, Jesus Christ summarized the reactions of men to these disasters in Luke 21: 26a

26 Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth

When you see the Tsunami in Indonesia, The earthquake and Tsunami in Japan, The plane Crash in Lagos, The Hurricane and Tornado in America, The Landslide in China and your heart begins to fail you because of these disasters, who will strengthen you and give you courage and tell you that you should be strong; all these disasters must happen for the messiah to come? THE HOLY SPIRIT.

2. Discerning for Deception:

We live in a time of unparallel deceptions. Bride of Christ, most things happening now are anchored on deception. Deceptions are everywhere; in government, in advertisement, in politics, in every sphere of life. It would be so difficult to see truth today. The most pathetic of all situations is deception in the church.

Our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, warned us in Mathew 24: 24 that the deception will be so alarming that if the bride of Christ did not take care, she would be deceived.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

However, The Lord, Jesus Christ, advised us in Revelations 3: 18c to anoint our eyes with eye salve that we may see.

18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy unclothedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Bride of Christ, we are exposed to deceptions like torrential rain even from many altars these days. When false prophets/pastors begin to bamboozle you right in the church, who will anoint your eyes with eyesalve that you may discern the deceptions and escape? THE HOLY SPIRIT.

3. Power to continue waiting till He comes:

I was told of a pastor that He used to say often that: ‘Let The Owner even come’, whenever he saw the level of sins being committed in all places and especially within and around the places of worship. By saying The Owner, the pastor meant Jesus Christ. The last information I heard about the Pastor was that He had backslided. He could not wait for The Owner any longer. I pray that The Lord should restore him unto His coming.

In Mathew 25:1-10, The Lord, Jesus Christ, told us a parable of 10 virgins, who all slept of because their bridegroom tarried and the lamps of 5 of them ran out of oil. This parable is both a parable and a prophecy which must be fulfilled.

5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

Bride of Christ, are you sleeping off spiritually. Has your lamp run out of oil? If you are sleeping spiritually, who will wake you up and say behold He is coming? THE HOLY SPIRIT. When your lamp is dwindling and you are running out of oil, Who will fill your lamp with oil (The internal energy you need to carry on)? THE HOLY SPIRIT.

4. Counsel and Utterance during Persecution:

There is gross hatred for God, His word and His people in this time. Some governments of nations have removed name of God from their constitutions. Some have prevented public evangelism. There are reported cases of Christians worshippers being bombed right inside the church during worship. There was a popular case of a pastor who was arrested and prosecuted for preaching the gospel.

Jesus Christ warned us in John 16:1-2 that they would do all these things to us.

1 These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.

2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

He reiterated it in Mark 13:9, 11 that we shall be hated and persecuted because of Him.

9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

However, the Lord Jesus Christ counseled us in Mark 13: 11 to rely on Holy Spirit during this period.

11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

When you are hated and persecuted for no reason other than being a Christian who will give comfort to your soul and give you words that your persecutor can not deny or gainsay? THE HOLY SPIRIT.

5. Consecration For Holy living:

The Mystery of Iniquity is really working in this generation. People are committing sin on a very gross scale. When it comes to issue of iniquity (sin), I don’t think the generation of Noah did up to what this generation is doing presently. Living holy is becoming more difficult. Even government policies are making holy living difficult in some cases. Without extreme in-filling of the Holy Spirit at the time, the bride of Christ may be polluted and defiled.

I believe we have mentioned a good number of reasons why you need to be filled with Holy Spirit at this time. Though, the reasons could be more than these, but because of time and space, I will stop at these ones and talk about being filled with the Spirit.


DEGREES OF HOLY SPIRIT FILLING

Before I talk about being filled Holy Spirit, I will like to explain that there are levels or degree to which a believer can be filled with Holy Spirit. Ezekiel 47:2-5 alludes to this fact. Lets examine it.

2 Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side.

3 And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ankles.

4 Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.

5 Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.

This passage could be used to explain the various levels to which a believer could be filled with the Holy Spirit.
The lowest level of filling of Holy Spirit is as if a man is filled with river water to the ankle. Every believer was filled with the Holy Spirit to this level at conversion. We need at least a small conviction of the Holy Spirit to accept Jesus Christ as our Saviour. This is reiterated in 1 Corinthians 12:3b which says: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. Every believer will remain in this level unless he grows in the Spirit.

The next level of the filling of the Holy Spirit is as if a man is filled with river water to the knees. Following this, the next level is as if he is filled to loin with river water.

The greatest infilling of Holy Spirit is as if a man is dropped into a great river and he is submerged in the waters so much that He cannot control himself. The waters begin to move him and direct him about. This is the level of filling of Holy Spirit that can survive the madness going on around the world right now. You have to be filled with Holy Spirit to such an extent that all of your actions, steps, wills, are controlled by the Holy Ghost. Apostle Paul puts it in another way in Ephesians 5: 18

18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

A man filled with excess wine will be intoxicated. He will not control himself again but the wine will control him. In a similar manner, Apostle Paul is advising that we should fill ourselves with Holy Spirit and be controlled by Him like a drunkard is filled with excess wine and his controlled by it.


BEING FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT
The following activities will help you as you desire to be filled with The Holy Spirit to the highest level.

1. STUDYING THE WORD OF GOD (BIBLE):
Imagine that you just set up a fire and stop to add firewood; very soon, the fire will be extinguished. Each time you study the bible genuinely, spiritually, it can be likened to adding firewood to a burning fire. Rather than the fire should die off, it will increase in intensity. Study the word of God. Chew it as food if you can. Study about salvation, holiness, righteousness, fear of God, heaven, hell. Make Jesus your focus as you study. Study about end time prophecies from the bible and observe if they are being fulfilled. It will help you to focus more.

2. OBEYING THE WORD OF GOD:

The purpose of studying the word of God is that you can know the truth and apply it to your life as you prepare for the return of the Lord. Obeying the word of God is like adding fuel to the firewood you have added to the fire. Live solely on the undiluted word of God. There is perversion of His word everywhere, today. Search for the truth and live by it. If you are confused about anything in His word, pray for understanding.

3. FASTING:

Bride of Christ, you need to fast. The more you engage in the things of the flesh, the farther you drive the Holy Spirit away and vice versa. The way ladies dress these days, the songs that are played on the radios, the pictures shown on our televisions and so on increase us in the flesh unconsciously and tend to drive away the Spirit of God in us if we are not careful. Fasting will help us to break down our flesh so that we will not respond to all these things. Please fast always to be in the Spirit at all times till The Lord comes. You can do a Daniel type of fasting, or water fasting, or Esther/Paul fasting or just ordinary fasting.

4. EVANGELISM:

If you want to experience manifestation of the Holy Spirit, go on evangelism, always, and make sure you preach His true gospel.

5. HOLY LIVING:

Strive to live holy at all times. No matter how much you fast, if you still live unholy life, you will not increase in Holy Spirit. He does not dwell in unholy temple.

6. WORSHIPPING:

Please, find a quiet place where you can worship God, in the presence of the Holy Spirit and do it regularly. Remember the Lord said those who must worship God must worship Him in Truth and in Spirit. Be in the Spirit everywhere you are. Praise Him. Sing to Him. If you cannot sing aloud, sing in your heart. Be guided by what the bible says in Ephesians 5: 18-19

18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

7. WATCHING AND PRAYING:

When you study bible, The Holy Spirit is speaking to you. when you pray, you are speaking to Him. Also, watch. When you watch, the Holy Spirit will be revealing the deceptions of the time to you. He will also give you biblical interpretations of what are happening all around the world.


SUMMARY

The Holy Spirit wants to go. He is already telling the Lord to come. The wickedness of this generation is too great. Humanity is too sinful for Our Comforter. Everyday, He convicts and convicts all men to repent but we harden ourselves the more like in the days of Noah. The Holy Spirit is sounding His voice everyday that The Lord Jesus should come. He is busy sounding His voice in the buses, on the streets, in the churches, in your dreams, and in all places and situations that The Lord Jesus should come.

Bride of Christ, can you hear that the Spirit is already calling The Lord to come? If you cannot hear His call, not to talk of joining Him to call The Lord to come, then, perhaps, you don’t have The Spirit inside of you or you are not part of the bride or worse still you are too attached to the activities of this world that you fail to realize that The Spirit is already making the final call. The last seconds are ticking away now. Come and team up with The Spirit of God that you may say; even so, come Lord Jesus and receive the blessed assurance.


ACTIONS

Are you an elect of Christ? Are you truly saved? Are you on the narrow road? Do you want to make the rapture/heaven? If your answers are yes, then,

• Make all efforts to heed the warnings of Jesus Christ.

• Be watchful. Pay attention to what is happening around the World and see whether they match what the scriptures say.

• Be filled with the Holy Spirit and be in the Spirit all the time.

• Fast, consecrate yourself, run away from sin and worldliness.

If your answers are NO, then you can repent today. Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord.


PRAYER OF REPENTANCE

If you will like to confess your sins and accept Jesus to save you, say the following prayers, sincerely and faithfully and make a determination never to commit sin again.

Lord, Jesus Christ, I am sorry for all my sins. I confess them with my mouth and I ask for mercy. Please forgive me and wash me in your blood. I accept you as my personal Lord and Saviour. Write my name in the book of life. Give me power over sins and fill me with your Spirit and Joy of Salvation. When rapture trumpet sounds, let me make it. Thank you for saving me. In Jesus name, I pray.

Begin to read bible. Begin with the book of John. Pray always. Fast regularly (you can begin with once in a week). Look for a bible believing church where they teach repentance, holiness, salvation and fellowship with them. Pray before you go. Don’t just go to any church. There are a lot of deceptions out there. If you need our assistance in this direction, you can email us. Always run away from SINS.

• Lord, Jesus Christ, baptize today with your Holy Spirit and fire.

• Holy Spirit of God, anoint my eyes with eyesalve, that I may see.

• Holy Spirit of God, fill my lamp with excess oil.

• Lord Jesus Christ, give me the grace of the wise virgin.

• From today, Holy Spirit, I team up with you till the Lord comes. Even, so, come

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We will like to get as many people as possible ready for rapture. We wish nobody goes through the great tribulation. What are happening now are child’s play.

Shalom.
JESUS is coming.

You have come again
YOU ARE EVIL
check yourself

paxonel:
lol,
i really do not know what our problem is,
may be, we are bewitched by traditions or something. And religion is not making things better

Do putting people in fear ever make them morally upright?

paxonel:
you are not being sincere,
all you want is to continue with the general belief among nigerians that rapture is coming ,making nigerians to fear what do not exist ?
what is your gain?
the average Nigerian is never a sincere person.
the OP concluded that the great tribulation is in our future which has just begun, thereby putting most nigerians into fear (fear is not a good spirit ),
i debunked that statement, saying the great tribulation has pass since 2000 years ago, so that there will be no need for our current day innocent Nigerian christians to continue living in fear again..
I quoted Jesus saying in Matthew 24:34 Verily I say
unto you, This generation(that generation of
Jesus 2000 years ago ) shall not pass, till all
these things be fulfilled.(all the things he said in that Matthew 24)
meaning, the thing has already been fulfilled in that generation
i also quoted
Revelation 1:1 saying, The Revelation of Jesus
Christ(the whole book of revelation from chapter 1 to 22), which God gave unto him, to shew unto
his servants things WHICH MUST SHORTLY
COME TO PASS ;..
John wrote this 2000 years ago.
i then asked the question, is 2000 years a short time?
if the answer is no, it is not a short time, then it is obvious that the revelation has already been fulfilled 2000 years ago. (by every logical reasoning ,because it says it shortly come to pass ).
Now, you by pass all these,coming here to validate the Op without quoting any Scripture to debunk my position or prove me wrong (for your info, the Scripture is our proofs, our strength ).
so,You are not sincere,
repent!
God bless you
lol

the question has always been, what do Africans benefit from continue living in fear?
i could see white kids jumping from mountain top or roof top on a skate board,men traveling to Mars to achieve some experiment or some cluster jumping from the sky with parachute,
and somebody is still talking about rapture and great tribulation in Africa?
when are we going to think straight?

annyplenty:
Thank you for asking. What Jesus was talking about is the parable of the fig tree. The fig tree stands for Israel. What Jesus was saying was that the generation that witnessed Israel became a nation again and all the signs he was talking about shall not pass away before He shall return. Israel became nation again in 1948. This is a very great sign. Jesus was not talking about the generation at His time but the generation that witness all the signs He had been mention including the fig tree bearing leaves again (that is Israel becoming a nation again)

in order words, the generation Israel became a nation again in 1948 which witnessed all the signs Jesus mentioned in Matthew 24, will not pass away until all the signs are fulfilled?
was there rumors of wars and earthquake, nation rising against nations in 1948?
please explain.
meanwhile, the general believe among most christians is that, these signs will happen perhaps in our future shortly before rapture.
And paxonel has proved beyond all reasonable doubt, quoting scriptures that the signs were signs of the coming of the Messiah who came to die 2000 years ago for the sins of mankind .
ofwhich, Jesus himself who made the statement is the Messiah, but the jews of that generation didn't know he was the Messiah
i read all his post in this thread

annyplenty:
Thank you sir for this encouragement. The LORD has asked me that whatever message HE gives me is not for me to keep but to go and share with the world. That is why I cannot hold back, no matter, what the readers and people think about the message and about me. I must that God that HE is even using the messages to bring others back to himself. ALL GLORIES BE TO GOD.

I will not argue with whoever disagrees but if you need an explanation I will provide as God as enabled me. Soon, scorners and unbelievers will realise but it will be too late. God will hold them accountable for not knowing the scripture.

Also, let me also say that there are many agents of the devil on social medias and there assignment is to quickly attack the word and messages of God so that innocent people that want to believe will be thrown into confusion and not believe. Every man shall receive his reward according to his work.

JESUScoming

@op, please i want you to clarify this
Jesus says in Matthew 24:34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,meaning,that generation when Jesus came on earth to die, which is approximately. 2000 years ago,shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled
Are you now saying that Jesus lied, that all what he said did not fill in that generation?
that they are all going to be fulfilled in our future? .

paxonel:
that's the point,
they have been playing on our intelligence, especially all churches in Nigeria.
And our OP here is a victim

it is only God that will help us

paxonel:
By Interpretation of that parable, the tares there means all other religion of the world apart from Christianity, to burn them in fire simply means, they are all rejected by God, only Christianity which is the way (Jesus Christ ) is lifted to the whole world for salvation, Just like moses lifted the serpent in the wilderness.
For instance, the old covenant ended at Jesus resurrection, so end of the world in that Scripture means end of Judaism (old covenant ).
consequently, the beggining of Christianity which started at pentecost
prophet Joel prophesied the day of Pentecost which was 2000 years ago as end time.
Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
2:17 And it shall come to pass in the LAST DAYS (END TIME ), saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Do you see that?
prophets of old where seeing Jesus days as end time and our current day christians are seeing the end time which is suppose to be Jesus days, as our future.
Are we not confused people like that?

i can see, churches are not teaching people right

paxonel:
For God sake, revelation of john was a dream by john, and you know, the angel asked him to write, so he wrote.
it is pass tense now, Revelation is there as a record to confirm what happened at Jesus days.
John 21:24 says This is the disciple(John ) which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.
Jesus also says in Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation(that generation of Jesus 2000 years ago ) shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Revelation 1:1 says The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things WHICH MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS ;..
he wrote it 2000 years ago.
is 2000 years a short time?
it's obvious that the book of revelation was even written before Jesus was crucified.
ok, take a look at this Scripture
John 19:35 And he that saw it(i am sure it is John ) bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe
He was even recording the event even at the cross when Jesus was crucified .
So you see, revelation must have been written even before Jesus was crucified.very possible
Today christians are terribly deceived.
They don't think at all.
them be big mumu,
pls, Jesus has come and died and resurrected and gone.
it is finished.
no end time
nothing like rapture,
life continues

you say there is no end time, can you please explain matthew 13:40 which says, As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.?

paxonel:
why don't you read the collosians 3:2 down to verse 5 so that you will understand what you are reading?
Colossians 3 verse 5 says,
Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
what Paul meant by seeking the things above to christians is to abstain from commiting all these sins.
now, mention one place in all my comments that i say that men should go and commit sin?
the Scripture is contextual. you must read everything to understand what the writter is trying to say.
not just reading only one verse and draw your conclusion from there like you just did, reading only colossians 3:2.
by doing this, you are the false teacher.
You see where your false teaching has landed you?
you are even advocating that the world should not be improved.
i think it's devilish.
i will advice you, go and improve on your reasoning capacity before trying to quote scriptures.
and also,go and learn how to address people logically,practically and properly before talking.
it's for your own good.
have you ever heard of the word ad hominem?
incase you don't know, Google what it mean,
you must avoid fallacies too

this is explicit and sound.
it's like you are a friend to the Scripture and reasoning
do you pastor a church?

Proximo73:
exactly!
i like the way you descibe it.
active church going,
active mosque going, or what ever excesses.
it is not bad on it's own. But when it become uncontrollable it becomes a problem to the person

ok

Proximo73:
in that case, religion is not worth killing ourselves for, because the very God we are trying hard to please by being religious is not even religious himself

what's your concept of being religious?
is it active church going?

blueyedgeek:
And when pesin talk say the life wey I'm live for earth don do, say I'm no want more after death, God go vex. Na by force to want eternal life? Wetin I wan take am do?

but you know that a state of being alive is better than a state of death, and a living man is better than a dead man?

ayoku777:
We are saved from sin (cause, consequence, condemnation)

The cause of sin is the image of the first Adam. Everyone born of a woman is born in the image of the first Adam. When you become born again you're saved from that image and born again in the image of the last Adam -Jesus.

The consequence of sin is separation from God, and subjection to the dominion of Satan and the consequences of the fall. When you become born again you're delivered from the kingdom of darkness and dominion of the Devil. Now you have authority through Jesus over the devil and all the power of the enemy.

The condemnation of sin is spiritual death and the second death in the lake of fire. When you're born again, you receive eternal life (zoe) into your spirit and you come alive to God. And you will also not end up in the lake of fire -the second death. Which is where all who are spiritually dead will end up.

So jesus saved from sin, the cause of sin (image of the first Adam); the consequence of sin (separation from God, subjection to the dominion of satan); and condemnation of sin (spiritual death and second death -lake of fire.)

Hope this helps.

thanks,
the benefit of believing is to have eternal life

so ,no Christian know what they are saved from?
this is terrible!
when the purpose of a thing is not known, abuse is inevitable.
no wonder Christianity is abused in Nigeria

i know that we are saved.
i hear people say for you to be saved you must do this or do that.
but my problem is, i don't know what Jesus saved us from.
i have been morally upright from childhood as i was brought up by my parents from a christian home, but since i became born again nothing changed, i am still the same person as morally conscious as usual.
so, i really don't know what being born again has done for me.
because i really want to value what Jesus Christ did on the cross, please can someone tell me why Jesus died?
i understand that people have been morally upright even before Jesus came to die

paxonel:
thank God you now know that heaven has descended on earth.
i know that people know this truth deep right inside them, But they just want to argue because the truth is contradicting the lie of rapture they have been hearing in church.
they don't want to see their pastors as liars but in the true sense, they are.
there is never a place in revelation that tells us that all the things written there will happen in our future.
is there anything like that?
please show me.
on the contrary, it says it will shortly come to pass, Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things WHICH MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS...
meaning, it will shortly happen in that generation the revelation was revealed to John of that generation, who wrote it immediately.
you people don't consider time when you read bible
so, i put it to you that everything about the revelation has been fulfilled.
don't go and start enjoying your lives and stop putting yourselves in unnecessary boundage of fear

the reason is that, we have pastors who are guiding us, were are not suppose to question them.
who gives you such boldness?
they know everything more than us

paxonel:
it's is not one day o,
it took me almost seven months to do the research.
i wasn't satisfied with what pastors were teaching
i have to read the whole new testament from Matthew to revelation repeatedly, almost 13 times, before i could come up with something.
what actually opened my eyes was when i went through Romans 10:1 where Paul said i wish that Israel should be saved, pointing that salvation is all about the religion.
from that time i started reading it from Matthew again as if i have never read new testament in my life before. it was like i was playing puzzle. i was picking the pieces of the tiles logically and meticulously.
that was how i finally understood everything.

i don't know exactly what to say.
to say the truth, i am not seeing any lie in all that you have said. i have started seeing it from the angle you are seeing it, but i can't boldly speak it out like you are doing.
Because, they are not aligned with the established teachings, that rapture is coming.
that's why people say it is heresy