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NNTR:
Kk, have I solicited respect from you?
Have I ever proselytised you for conversion to anything? Hmm? What use is your unappreciated respect, when, you're beyond being corrected

Smh, if you can manage, share proof of any imagined abuse, made to you, and I will counter, give you proofs times three of veiled abuses you directed at me

Smh, you either are dyslexic or something else, for keep saying and repeating that I am not a christian.

If only more christians, properly and correctly read their bibles, there'd be less christians and/or less Constantine christians

The word word Christian, according to the people of Antioch, doesnt mean the 'Christ like'.

You really think and believe that the people of Antioch for love and money, were flattering the early believers, that they so much admired them enough to endow them with such a beautiful and endearing 'Christ like' compliment. Hmm?
Is you being called a nigger, something you gladly take pride in. Hmm?

You're behaving as if, you are stiff-necked and is the reason why I dont suffer you gladly or being hard on you. Try take to the advice of 2 Timothy 2:15
Please, I beg you, why dont you wake and smell the coffee, by first, as a starting point, go find out what the meaning of the word Antioch, is.

You see, a well known characteristic of Antioch, is that the people are fond of formulating and inventing unsavoury nicknames, for all and sundry (i.e. for Antioch was a city of nicknames) Her citizens were singularly addicted to ridicule and scurrilous wit, and the invention of nicknames. Julian, Emperor of Rome, acknowledged being aware of the unflattering nickname, the people of Antioch had for him

Reiterating, it is was the world, who gave the early believers, the nickname, Christian. The people of Antioch, well known and famous for inventing nicknames were the force behind profaning the name of Christ, which incidentally is Genesis 4:26b revisited.

The people of Antioch never were in admiration of the disciples of Jesus, lacked respect for them, and so had no favours in mind when inventing the nickname, used to ridicule the name of the Lord with

Constantine only came to perfect that which the people of Antioch invented and which he successfully according to his game plan, has you hooked on and hoodwinked with.

Smh. I guess the same way, you personally, dont call yourself, nigger, but you answer to when called nigger. Hmm?

When Constantine organised Christianity and backed it with the state, was that all done for genuine believers then? Answer nah

You remind me of the reprimand Nicodemus received from our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide world Jesus Christ, that a whole teacher of Israel, has no idea about what being born again is

Ezekiel 36:22-23
22“Therefore say to the house of Israel,
‘This is what the sovereign Lord says: It is not for your sake that I am about to act, O house of Israel,
but for the sake of my holy reputation which you profaned among the nations where you went.
23I will magnify my great name that has been profaned among the nations, that you have profaned among them.
The nations will know that I am the Lord, declares the sovereign Lord, when I magnify myself among you in their sight.

Isaiah 52:5
“And now what do I have here?” declares the LORD.
“For my people have been taken away for nothing,
and those who rule them mock,” declares the LORD.
“And all day long my name is constantly blasphemed.

'The only talent which indisputably belonged to them-their mastery of ridicule-they exercised not merely against the actors of their stage, but no less against the rulers sojourning in the capital of the East, and the ridicule was quite the same against the actor as against the emperor. While Julian met their sarcastic sayings with satirical writings, the Antiochenes at other times had to pay more severely for their evil speaking and their other sins' (Mommsen, Provinces, ii. 134, 135).

You deserve whatsoever railing 'abuse' that comes your way, and that's because of your ITK ignorance, quasi biblical knowledge, shallow theology, conceited full of yourself and condescending remark(s)

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Your last paragraph reeks of pride, and that's why you believe you know it all, and put yourself in the position of 'teachers of others.' pride goes before destruction. I'll advice you in whatever heights you may reach in life to be humble.

My argument with you is that Constantine didn't create Christianity which you said he created. Now, I've taken an excerpt from your current post below:

"Constantine only came to perfect that which the people of Antioch invented and which he successfully according to his game plan, has you hooked on and hoodwinked with."

Now, who created Christianity according to you as you stated above?

The word 'Christianity' was coined by the people of Antioch for mocking the disciples of Christ as I earlier stated. All you just said above only attenuates this truth.

Before I go any further, oh my highly knowledgeable theologian friend, kindly give me your personal definition of Christianity. I fear that, our definitions of christiehty might be incongruent even though we would definitely have a common ground. Without clarifying individual perspectives, this argument is baseless.

This is my own definition below:

Christianity is not a religion. It's a life life lived out of an encounter with Christ, empowered by the Holy Ghost and helped through grace." This means a Christian is not someone who practices organised Christianity founded by Constantine but rather someone who has a definite encounter with Jesus. By this definition, most of those who call themselves Christians are not Christians. And, in my opinion, Constantine didn't create this Christianity.

mjuvey3:
Where in the old testament did God said he was going to send his son as a sacrifice for sin?

Okay let's ignore that question right there and move to this - Why did Christianity had to add the Jewish holy book( Old Testament aka Tanakh) to their holy book, the New testament

Imagine Islam adding the Holy bible to the Quran and forming a new religion

Another question is - In the Old Testament, God's name was Yahweh but in the new testament,it changed to Jesus Why?

Let's even imagine Jesus is the way,the truth and the life That means billions of Muslims, Buddists, Hinduists, Atheists, Traditional worshipers etc will rot in hell forever

For Judaism not to believe in Jesus rings a bell because Christianity came from Judaism.

Also, the awaited messiah in Judaism is supposed to be a full human being not a divine being or a god-man.

Why will the eternal God who created the universe,space,ocean etc come to die for his creation? Especially humans who he can recreate If The Mercedes-Benz Group AG (former Daimler AG) can make a G-wagon,then they can make something better than a G-wagon(Already in the works) not to talk of the Creator who created everything.

You have a brain,Use it

Christianity had to add the Jewish holy book because we serve the same God. Islam can't add the Bible because we do not serve the same God.

The ritualistic nature of the old testament scriptures was just a physical symbolism of God's spiritual program for man.

The Old testament was a shadow, an allegory. God was using it to teach us spiritual principles. It wasn't the real thing. And when God was done with the teachings, He abolished the Old testament and ushered in the New.

Christianity is based on the New testament which is entirely spiritual, but the old testament scriptures are necessary to enable us understand our spiritual walk and relationship with God.

Jeremiah 31:33

"For this is the new covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people."

The new covenant makes the existing covenant old. "After those days", refers to after the days of Christ's complete sacrifice. The days of the old testament was complete and became outdated when Jesus said on the cross "It is finished."

mjuvey3:
Where in the old testament did God said he was going to send his son as a sacrifice for sin?

Okay let's ignore that question right there and move to this - Why did Christianity had to add the Jewish holy book( Old Testament aka Tanakh) to their holy book, the New testament

Imagine Islam adding the Holy bible to the Quran and forming a new religion

Another question is - In the Old Testament, God's name was Yahweh but in the new testament,it changed to Jesus Why?

Let's even imagine Jesus is the way,the truth and the life That means billions of Muslims, Buddists, Hinduists, Atheists, Traditional worshipers etc will rot in hell forever

For Judaism not to believe in Jesus rings a bell because Christianity came from Judaism.

Also, the awaited messiah in Judaism is supposed to be a full human being not a divine being or a god-man.

Why will the eternal God who created the universe,space,ocean etc come to die for his creation? Especially humans who he can recreate If The Mercedes-Benz Group AG (former Daimler AG) can make a G-wagon,then they can make something better than a G-wagon(Already in the works) not to talk of the Creator who created everything.

You have a brain,Use it

Isaiah 53 is a prophecy about the Son of God. You can read the entire chapter to fully grasp.

"Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand." (Isaiah 53:10).

CC:
Sonmaviya

uncleck:
Do you have any supporting sources?

Read the books themselves. They're written in reported speeches. That tells you they're not directly written by Moses.

advocatejare:
That hijab stuff wasn’t even from Allah, it was the handiwork of Umar one of the followers of Muhammad. He wanted Muhammad to say that Allah had commanded Muslim women to use veil but Muhammad would not say such until Umar used what was dear to Muhammad to get him, he followed Muhammad’s wife, Sauda to where she went to poo at night and when Sauda informed Muhammad, as expected Muhammad immediately claimed to have received revelation for hijab for women!


Sahih al-Bukhari 146
Narrated `Aisha:
The wives of the Prophet (ﷺ) used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqi` at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. `Umar used to say to the Prophet (ﷺ) "Let your wives be veiled," but Allah's Apostle did not do so. One night Sauda bint Zam`a the wife of the Prophet (ﷺ) went out at `Isha' time and she was a tall lady. `Umar addressed her and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda." He said so, as he desired eagerly that the verses of Al-Hijab (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. So Allah revealed the verses of "Al-Hijab" (A complete body cover excluding the eyes).



That was how Umar’s wish became “a divine inspiration” that many of them are following today!

Lol. This is too hilarious. Let me ask from peepydelano so we can know if it's true.

Advocatejare, we thank God for some of you who have an indept knowledge of Islam and its book. I always follow your topics, including that of TenQ and Sixfiguresmart like hotcakes. God bless you real good. I've learnt a lot about that religion.

uncleck:
The Pentateuch (Tora) is not just about Moses, they were actually written by Moses himself. So how did Moses write about things that happened even after his own death?

Moses never got time to write during those very busy years. The books themselves are reported speeches. It was written about Moses and his activities but not necessarily written by Moses himself. The most probable person to have written those books is Joshua. Most of the writings would have been dictated by Moses but not handwtitten by Moses.

NNTR:

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2 Timothy 2:15
'Study and do your best to present yourself to God approved,
a workman [tested by trial] who has no reason to be ashamed,
accurately handling and skillfully teaching the word of truth.'

Your bruised ego, pride and comprehension issues, wouldnt allow to admit, you typed that Christianity was not created by anyone, when history informs us, that Christianity, as we've come to know it, is a Roman invention.

The biblical times believers, addressed, greeted, called and referred each other or themselves as disciples (i.e. Acts 1:15), as saints (i.e. Acts 9:13, 1 Corinthians 1:2), as believers (i.e. Acts 5:14, Romans 1:16; Acts 10:45, 1 Timothy 6:2), as brothers (i.e. Acts 6:3, James 2:15), as witnesses (i.e. Acts 5:32), as followers of the Way (i.e. Acts 9:2, Acts 24:14, 22) and even as Nazarenes (i.e. Acts 24:5).

I am yet to read in the bible, even any bible versions, if to widen the net, about any of the disciples outrightly greeting, saluting, calling each other with the profane word, christian.

You made an unguarded, careless and reckless remark (i.e. No bro. Christianity was not created by anyone), and I've no apologia for correcting you and correctly explaining the word of truth, especially if 2 Timothy 2:15 advices us, to do our best to present ourselves to God as one approved, as workers who does not need to be ashamed and who rightly divides the word of truth, correctly handles the word of truth, who properly makes known the word of truth without deviation.

The gospel is about having and enjoying a meaningful and richly relationship with God. It has nothing to do with christianity and it's various hang-ups

Grow up, spiritually speaking, that is and quit being a cry baby, with spinning a ludicrous '... I used to think you're a Christian ...' line

Apostle Paul, wouldnt even let the word profane word, christian, roll off his tongue. He ignored the use of the word by king Agrippa, and sidestepped identifying himself as a christian.

Its just like, you wont fall on the ground, roll over, tolerate, accept to your face, allow yourself to be greeted, called and addressed as nigger, meaning, you wouldnt answer to being greeted, called and addressed as nigger. Or would you now. Kind give your answer to the question(s)

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Honestly, before now, i used to respect you on this forum but right now my respect for you is zero. You can't even make a clean post without abuses.

I won't behave like you, and clearly as I said, you aren't a Christian!

The word Christian means 'Christ like'. The world, the unbelievers were the first to call Christ's disciples by that name in Antioch according to the Bible.

Today, the disciples of Christ are still known as Christians for reference purposes. We know who we are. A Christian is really someone who has the Spirit of the living God in Him and is therefore empowered by the Holy Spirit to live like Christ in the world.

The world does not know this. The Ronan government didn't coin the word 'Christian', it was in use before Constantine. The disciples of Christ didn't call themselves by the name but they answer it. Constantine organised Christianity and backed it with the state.

In responding to unbelievers about who created Christianity, you need to know who you're dealing with and answer him or her according to his)her level of understanding.

All the unnecessary things you're saying to further buttress their errornous position does a great disservice to God's kingdom.

AntiChristian:
Correct the verse first!

I and several others have done that for you many times.

It's clear you're up to no good.

AntiChristian:
Jeremiah 4:10
Then I said, "Ah, Sovereign LORD, how completely you have deceived (nasha) this people and Jerusalem by saying, 'You will have peace,' when the sword is at our throats."

I didn't say God lied! I said deceived!

You lied again!

Hello Fire straight!

A liar you are because you know the truth about that verse. You've been referenced many times on this forum for this verse.

Should I also start posting about Mohammed commanding his follower to sleep with a dead woman in her grave after you clarified that verse to me? I won't do that lest I become a liar like you.

TenQ:
Lies supported from the Quran, Hadiths and backed up with your tafsirs!?

Then , they must be really good lies! LOL!!

Can you imagine that this guy has raised many posts regarding this topic in which it was clearly shown that false prophets spoke a lie which Jeremiah taught was from God and then when God spoke with Jeremiah God told him He didn't send them but they prophesied lies in His name. Yet he came here to make it a thread that God deceived Jeremiah.

All the other scripture he posted above too are half truths which he has been using for many years to falsely paint God as a liar. He fails in every attempt.

Yet the liar whose father is the devil came and made a thread on falsehood. He's as shameless as his prophet who gave him taqiyya

TenQ:
Of course you are all correct.
I thought I explained it to him enough about the traditional gleaning of the crops in Israel about except about the colt's owner where I just quoted the scripture and highlighted in bold for him to read.

Thanks anyways, we learn everyday and we get better everyday as we serve Our Lord and Christ.

Your welcome brother.

AntiChristian:
But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Rev 21:8

Stop telling lies!

I don't have your time this morning. Who doesn't know you on this forum as an unrepentant liar.

I saw your post again this morning. You reposted an argument from the book of Jeremiah where you alleged God lied meanwhile, severally on this forum, you've been exposed as the liar who quoted what Jeremiah taught against what really happened.

A religion that promotes Taqquiyya isn't a lying religion? Tell us more.

NNTR:
Comprehension issue is exactly what you are suffering from

AntiChristian, is right that Jesus didn't create Christianity nor any Christian denomination. Also is right when he further said that its humans who create the various forms of it.

Emperor Constantine, in an opportunistic manner took hold of Christianity by the scruff of its neck and commandeered it

Who created Christianity then?
Was it human beings who created Christianity or it was animals who created Christianity?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

I used to think you're a Christian. Your opening paragraph exposes you.

You're talking off point.

Asking me who created Christianity? Did I ever tell you someone did? Comprehension is the issue as I said.

NNTR:
Nothing here to prove, when the information is in public domain

Details
- Ekklesia was formed in AD (i.e. after the death of Jesus Christ)
- 313 AD was the year when the proclamation that permanently legalised Christianity in the Roman Empire
- Christianity becoming the official religion of the Roman Empire
- Church started evolving during the reign of Constantine and took hold more during King Henry VIII monarchy,
then King James' official order forbidding replacing the Greek word 'ekklesia' with 'congregation' (i.e. the true interpretation) was the final nail to the 'ekklesia' coffin.

• Roman Emperors Constantine and Licinius' Edict of Milan in AD 313, established a policy of religious freedom for all.
(i.e. a proclamation that permanently legalised Christianity in the Roman Empire)
• Christianity becoming the official religion of the Roman Empire.
• The regularisation and formation of the Roman Catholic Church (i.e. RCC)
• Roman Empire's adoption of RCC as 'official' church during Constantine's reign
• Constantine calling the First Council of Nicaea in AD 325, in an attempt to unify Christianity when doctrinal disputes arose
• The term 'Roman Catholic' defined by Emperor Theodosius on February 27th, 380 in the Theodosian Code.
In that document, he referred to those who hold to the 'religion which was delivered to the Romans by the divine Apostle Peter'
as 'Roman Catholic Christians' and gave them the official sanction of the empire

Dont take correcting you personal nor make out that the correction is an attack

You had no point, your imagined point is due to being ignorant of the facts

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Man, this is a comprehension issue.

The pagan was talking about Romans creating Christianity. You objected and now you're proving your objection by quoting facts relating to legalization.

Don't you know the difference between the creation of a thing and the legalization of that thing?

Maynman:
Only an indoctrinated illiterate will use bible as a reference book.

Which century were they mentioned and in relation to the story in the book?
What was their work in relation to the story in your book?

Please stop disturbing my space with unprofitable talks.

Did I ever tell you to use the Bible as a reference?

Please let me be, okay?

Maynman:
Exactly, praise Iesus chrestus

Satisfied?

Thanks for your time.

Maynman:
Bible is not a history book, you can’t use it as reference.
If this people are in history, you mean no other book mentioned them except a forged and edited book?

Only an ignorant person will say no other book mentioned the names I listed previously.

I don't have time for unprofitable talk.

Thanks for your time.

Maynman:
Jesus is a latin name gotten from iesus.
Early church fathers had to remove i and replace with j.

Thank you man.

Maynman:
Then stop lying and saying “ references to hundreds of verifiable Jewish and Roman figures which cannot be disputed.”

This is what you base your life on, Eusebius will be proud

You're the one who's to stop lying. If the references are not in the Bible wouldn't I then be justifiably called a liar? Prove me wrong first. Say the references mentioned are not in the Bible.

Maynman:
The original name of your jesus is isho, and arabic is isa, even islam is more authentic that your mythology

Comparing Arabic name with an English name? You won't cease to amaze us.

Maynman:
Which century were they mentioned and in relation to the story in the book?
What was their work in relation to the story in your book?

Spiderman movies also mentioned real places in their story

Why should I be obliged? It's your business not mine.

Maynman:
Jesus is a latin name.
And it reads iesus, the early church fathers had to remove the i and replace with j, to make “jesus”.

Everything about your religion is forged

Let it be forged. We like it like that.

Maynman:
Lol, what does references mean?
Is the places and personalities not also history?
Where else can we see the places and personalities except a forged book?

Were Pilate, Agrippa, Festus, Bernice, Augustus, Gamaliel, Herod and Caiaphas and hundreds of other personalities also forged?

Please go and rest. You don't know anything about Christianity.

Maynman:
Lol, even when your jesus was alive in the mythology he was a Judaist and practiced shema yisreal.
Your yahweh is a a israelite god .

Do you know the first gospel written was mark and other UNKNOWN AUTHORS use mark to write their book.
All the books you base your life on were written by UNKNOWN AUTHORS

Thrash.

Maynman:
Exactly so why did you say “ You can read the Bible for all the references. There were kings, governors as well as high priests mentioned.”??

Did I say you should read the Bible to get historical references?

I asked you to read the Bible for all the references so that you can see those places and personalities that must be falsified and merged into your iestus narrative to make it true.

Maynman:
Christianity was created in rome from chrestianity.

The father of judaism is ABRAHAM.

That's okay if that suits you.

I know what I believe.

Maynman:
Have you ever seen a historian even christian historian use bible as a reference point?

Why should anyone writing history use the Bible as reference point? The Bible is not an history book, or is it?

Maynman:
Tell us who wrote the acts of apostles and which century?

These are CHRESTIAN BOOKS you are basing your life on

It was Catholic that gave names of authors to the book you are using now, before it, they were anonymous.

This is a complete distraction.

And as I've told you before, I still tell you again, Christianity isn't based on anything physical.

That means we'll be Christians still even if there are no books at all.

NNTR:
What Bible version is that which you have the word Christianity written in it

2 Timothy 2:15
'Study and do your best to present yourself to God approved,
a workman [tested by trial] who has no reason to be ashamed,
accurately handling and skillfully teaching the word of truth.'

The bible verse with the Hebrew word 'chalal', which is how you had the English word 'profane'

Going forward, please from now on, try and inculcate the advice of 2 Timothy 2:15

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

You're the one who made a claim about Constantine, so prove it.

Remember where you took off from? You attacker my comment that Christianity was not created by anyone. Unbelievers mockingly called the disciples of Christ Christians first in Antioch. That's my point. So, prove me wrong.

Lukuluku69:
Lol

So, entering a Farmland and plucking fruits to eat is not stealing in according to the Laws of Israel? Good Law if you ask me. You won't have almajiris in the Society as you claimed. But why would your Jesus still go begging and asking for Donations?

Do you remember the Widow are her Mite?

On the issue of the Colt that was Jesus ride to Jerusalem, he could have bought it couldn't he? Judas had money he kept for the Mission. Or the money was kept so that Judas can steal from it?

Will you make direct references to where Jesus begged? If you can, then, I'll accord you great respect.

Did the children of Israel complain to you about that law? They enjoyed it and passed it down religiously to their posterity. Is that supposed to be your issue? Is it wrong for God to teach His people selflessness? That language is alien to you?

Maynman:
Josephus was talking about JUDAS OF GALILEE.
early Christian fathers use alot of josephus work to write New Testament.
Even joseph and mary were mentioned by josephus in different context.
You might be worshipped judas of Galilee without knowing

Judas of Galilee was mentioned in the Bible as well.

"After this man, [IiJudas of Galilee[/i] appeared in the days of the census and drew away some people after him; he also perished, and all those who followed him were scattered." (Acts 5:37).

NNTR:
Christianity definitely was created by Emperor Constantine

Acts 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch.
And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people.
And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Genesis 4:26
Seth also fathered a son, whom he named Enosh.
At that time, profaning the name of the LORD began.

Acts 11:26, is Genesis 4:26 revisited and reloaded.
Even Acts 26:29 is too, and more why king Agrippa, literally amused, was wondering how Apostle Paul, would think a whole bleeping Jew and king as him, would identify to be called, known or addressed as a christian. Its just like, as if, you fall on the ground, roll over, tolerate accept to your face, allow yourself to be greeted, called and addressed as nigger

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Unfortunately for you, Constantine wasn't the emperor at the time the Acts of Apostles was written. He was not even born.

What Bible version is that which you quoted that changed "at that time, people stating calling upon the name of the Lord to "profane".