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OdenigboAroli:
Oga,park jare...Reference ko,evidence ni.
Do you think I have that time...This was before the season started.

You came up with an accusation you can't prove? You remembered when the so called comment was made, yet claim not to have time to prove it? oga take time o
.

Gbawe:
"Stakeholder" refers to roles of everyone at all levels where they are required to play a part and are entitled to do so as relevant participants. It is only because we tend to be sentimental in Nigeria and that is why we do not see or acknowledge our responsibilities, roles and limits regarding encroaching in what is beyond our remit. Come the general election, you will be a stakeholder in who becomes your President and your duty will be to go out and vote. Will you allow any Party boss to demand you must vote for so and so candidate? You are not and never allowed to threaten and blackmail a political Party over the candidate they should field same as no one can bully you as per who to vote for. It is not done anywhere else in the world. It is Party stakeholders who choose Party candidates while the electorate go out to vote.

Do you see the supporters of the Labour and conservative Parties in the UK telling, nay demanding, their respective Parties must choose certain candidates to contest the general election or they vote for another Party? What about the democrats and republicans in the USA?

Please vote GEJ and the PDP because you cannot blackmail others to do your bidding in relation to a process the constitution of a Party does not allow you to have a say in let alone be making demands over. Your position is not tenable nor reasonable. I for example will be disappointed if the APC field Atiku but I will never threaten to vote for the PDP because there are still so many other influential offices to be fought for (Governorship, legislative et al) in consonance with my belief that the APC is the Party to deliver good leadership across all levels. The issue at hand is simple. You won't be allowed to tell the APC who to field. If their eventual choice is one you do not like then vote the PDP.

You have spent alot of time in the politics section, you should by now know how not to bother educating some set of people (tip: just their last comments before bothering to reply).

OdenigboAroli:
The comments you made when Pillars where pondering who to chose from Ikhana and Emordi...come here screaming pardon...ndi oyibo

Reference?

OdenigboAroli:
Arent you the same guy that wanted Ikhana instead of Emordi ?
Hehehehe

Pardon?

sebod:
I am sure he'll get that in the Classico no mater how hard Pepe and co try to stop him.

Surely.

One more goal for Messi

jamace:
This one https://www.nairaland.com/1953153/buhari-took-bank-loan-purchase. If its this, then Buhari took bank loan because he lamented the high cost of the form and narrated how he was able to raise the fund through the understanding of his bakers at Kaduna and Abuja.. Obvious from the highlighted that he sourced for loan to be able to purchase the form.

Mind quoting "word for word" the part that spells out this "findings" of yours?

The full quote :

"“But I felt heavily sorry for myself because I don’t want to go and ask somebody to pay for my nomination forms, because I always try to pay myself, at least for the nomination.
“N27 million is a big sum, thankfully I have personal relationship with the manager of my bank in Kaduna and I told him that very soon the forms are coming, so, whether I am on red, or green or even black please honour it otherwise I may lose the nomination.
“I was about to go to Kaduna this morning and I told the Chairman but he said in that case, you better pick your form and keep a straight face that means there is no excuse,” Mr. Buhari said".

jamace:
If this conversation was through the phone, how did it come to the public domain? "Whether I am on a red, green or black, please honour it. What does this statement imply?

This is why its not advisable to comment on things you don't have a full grip on. This conversation took place between himself and APC chairman and knowing fully well that Press men are always flooding around politicians, they must have picked up their conversation. go back and read through the full article. (not on this thread, but on this forum).

teufelein:
6 Reasons Why You Should Avoid Buhari Like Ebola Virus

1. Violence

He makes provocative statements that are capable of putting the country in crisis. This attitude caused the death of hundreds of innocent lives after the 2011 elections where about 10 youth corps were also murdered in cold blood. 2015 is not here, but he has already promised "dogs and baboon..." Compare this with the US election where Romney wasted no time to congratulate Pres. Obama or the Australian election where the incumbent, Rudd lost and quickly congratulated Abbott. A great leader should always place national interest above personal ambition.

2. Bigotry

He's intolerant of any idea other than his own, especially on religion, politics, or race. No wonder he doesn't criticize anything that concerns his religion, no matter how bad. Hence, his obvious sympathy to B'Haram. A good leader should have listening ears, take a stand on what is good but also allow people to air their views and be entitled to their opinions.

3. Principle

He's not a man of principle, that is why he has been jumping from one party to another, even aligning with known corrupt elements in the hope of actualizing his presidential ambition. Great leaders don't do this. They always stick with like-minds, no matter the situation.

4. Lack of Democratic Features

Though, his admirers want us to believe that he was invited to lead after the coup but the fact is that he wasn't the most senior office at that time. Nevertheless, we've not forgotten the obnoxious Decree 4 - against which truth was no defence. He used this to jail journalists and attempt to cow the whole media. He did not also make any plan to organize election and handover to a democratic govt.

5. Tribalism

The lopsided execution of PTF projects which was 74% and 26% (according to PTF Situation Report, Vol 2, 98) in the north and south respectively showed his tribalistic nature. The dumping of Dr. Alex Ekwueme in Kirikiri maximum prison and Shagari placed under house arrest was beyond tribalism.

6. His 2-year reign as a Head of State left no legacy

Buhari's 2-year iron-fist rule left no legacy in Nigeria. There is nothing we can point at now that was established by his govt. Or should we call the cancellation of Lagos monorail as his legacy after-all Nigeria till date has no monorail?

Lets end this part 1 with the quote of October 4, 2010: "Buhari is perpetually un-electable because of his insensitivity to Nigeria’s diversity and his parochial focus are already well-known." - Mallam Nasir el-Rufai

No matter how many times you and your likes keep duplicating lies against this man, it will never become truth.



[b]
GENERAL MUHAMMADU BUHARI

ECONOMY
Inherited a dwindling economy,
1. Paid of $50m loan within few days of assumption and cleared the country's debt
2. Reduced Inflation from 23% to 3.21% within 20months.
3. Nigeria's GDP by Purchasing Power Parity was $941.2, it Grew by 8.56 %
3. Refused to devalue the Naira
4. curbing imports of needless goods, curtailing oil theft and using counter trade policy to barter seized illegally bunkered crude oil for needful goods like machineries, enabling it to export above its OPEC quota.
5. Under Buhari, Hoarded Goods were Sold at prices below market.

CORRUPTION:
1. Senator Sabo Bakin Zuwo, The Civilian Governor of Kano State was jailed for 300Years because $4.5 million was said to be found "stacked up" in Zuwo's home when it was searched by the new military government. He died in 1989
2. Vice President Alex Ekwueme was jailed of corruption. Stockpiles of money ranged from $56,000 found at his home
3. Fmr Bendel Governor Ambrose Alli was jailed for 100years for misappropriating funds belonging to Bendel State to the tune of N983,000. The Money was meant for road project but he donated it to his Party. He was later freed when Sir Gabriel Igbenedion paid fine to the Government.
4. A total of 4000 exGovernment officials submitted themselves to be tried for Corruption.Over 600 were Jailed Convicted and Jailed.
5. Many High profile Government officials, Businessmen, foreigners were jailed for one corrupt practice or the other.
6. Political office Holders, Businessmen, Contractors, civil servants and many others shunned corruption like a Plague

INSURGENCY
1. Maitatsine Group founded by Maitatsine Marwa, a Koranic scholar, rejected the hadith and the sunnah and regarded the reading of any other book but the Koran as paganism raised its head in 1979 during the Administration of President Shehu Shagari after he was contained by the Murtala and Obasanjo Administrations. Maitatsine spoke against the use of radios, watches, bicycles, cars and the possession of more money than necessary. Churches, Market, Police Formations, Government buildings etc was attacked leaving over FIVE thousand dead btw 1979 and 1981 (including Maitatsine).The Group moved to Kano, Borno, Kaduna, Gombe and environs. Over 4,000 people died(65% were insurgents). Buhari Crushed the Insurgency COMPLETELY within 16months. The 2i/c fled to Cameroon and was arrested in 2004.

OTHER SECURITY
1. There was high rate of armed robbery during Shagari's regime. Buhari stepped it, brought an end to armed robbery.
2. Introduced NURTW to checkmate "One Chance" and subsequently brought law and order.
3. Drug traffikers were executed.

PETROLEUM INFRASTRUCTURE
1. As NNPC Chairman, He was the man that Initiated and signed the construction contract of the existing Warri and Kaduna refineries. Two of the ONLY 3 Refineries In Nigeria. As at that time, Nigeria had just 1 Refinery-Portharcourt Refinery, established in 1965.

THE PRESS
He Instituted decree 2 and Decree 4 that was aimed at gaging the Press and Banned street protests. This is his only low but he was honest in his actions.

N/B: I deliberately refused to including Road Projects and others so as not to make it too bulky and boring.[/b]

IdiAmin1:
There are cheap lies I can't accept. How can a sane bank grant loan to buhari knowing fully well he is on a wild goose chase again just like he's been since 2003. Banks are smarter than that except they are targetting to inherit a huge collateral and I can vividly remember that the general once said he has no property anywhere. Also APC seperating men from boys means they uphold money at the expense of quality leadership. With that statement from the party chairman, APC has just murdered democracy and should be ignored by any meaningful and patriotic Nigerian. My thoughts though

Can you take a loan on the phone? especially N27M?

"Whether I am on a red, green or black, please honour it", do you think this indicates a loan or does it not sound like someone issuing out a check but not sure if his account balance can cover for the amount on the check?

Still no goal....

homesteady:
I'll be quoting some strong points which NOBODY has debunked

So that he can be rubbished just like Ribadu was rubbished? even with the official approval Ribadu got to work on corruption, the current government still disgraced him not to talk of a man without the backings of the govt.

Show me one anti-corruption body in Nigeria that hasn't been totally screwed up by the govt in Nigeria.

huptin:
Kindly point out the change in going back to 1984. That man was the president when I could barely walk. If we must have change let it be the right type Please.

So in your mind, Buhari went to sleep since 1984 and has been sleeping all these while? you think you're the only one who's allowed to grow and improve in life as your age?

Since he left the top leadership role in 1984, he has handled multiple leadership roles and performed excellently well. the late Dora Akunyili was one of his products.

Why not educate yourself?
https://www.facebook.com/pages/General-Rtd-Muhammadu-Buhari/71463891345
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammadu_Buhari
http://www.africa-confidential.com/whos-who-profile/id/2606/Muhammadu_Buhari
https://www.facebook.com/votebuhari

Obiagelli:
I have been asking the same question since yesterday.

I just don't know why some Nigerians love to twist truth, how low can people go to discredit someone they don't like even when they have nothing on him?

jamace:

Obiagelli:
Buhari’s exact words below, you might not necessarily have to tender an apology sis. Pay attention to the bolded part, he wasn't emphatic about a loan.

“But I felt heavily sorry for myself because I don’t want
to go and ask somebody to pay for my nomination
forms, because I always try to pay myself, at least for
the nomination.

“N27 million is a big sum, thankfully I have personal
relationship with the manager of my bank in Kaduna
and I told him that very soon the forms are coming, so,
[b]whether I am on red, or green or even black please
honour it otherwise I may lose the nomination.[/b] Is it okay by you?

How does this "indicate a loan"? is this how a loan is taken? you are quite knowledgeable with banking rules (I guess), can you take a loan on the phone? especially N27M?

"Whether I am on a red, green or black, please honour it", do you think this indicates a loan or does it not sound like someone issuing out a check but not sure if his account balance can cover for the amount on the check?

^^^

If these players you listed are to watch from the stands, who then are we using as sub?

jamace:
What example are you asking of? Where all over the world have you heard or seen a political presidential aspirant coming out to tell the whole world that he BORROWED money to get nomination form? Not even in China where anti-corruption war is highly effective.
My worries are 2 folds. 1) why did he not contact his political team to raise the money? 2). Even if the political group was not capable of raising such fund, must he borrow the money in his own name? In fact, even if he borrowed the money as a private person, must he tell the whole world that he borrowed it? To me his action is a sign of one man show, and telling the world that he borrowed it is childish and immature behaviour. Or has he started his declaration of assets already?

Please can you highlight anywhere in the article where Buhari borrowed money?

barcanista:
Here comes the daughter of hatered and ignorance. FOR THE RECORD

Now, this is what i am talking about. putting ignorant folks in their place with facts and figures.

barcanista:
I'm sorry bro, you shd dig the archives of Lai Mohammed(from 2006) and Ahmed gulak. Or you check that of Amaechi and Mrs. Ibim. Anyway, I am a mix of gentility and ruggedity. Even contries combines diplomacy and war when necessary. Countries strive to get the best diplomats and the best military for a reason.

Alright bro.

Omimah:
I love their style. If you've ever watched Lai Muhammed being interviewed with Olisah Metuh, you'll pity PDP. Muhammed doesn't shout like Metuh who has problem with his tongue (just like Sylvester Stallon, Rambo) but looks collected. It's only f00ls that shout to be heard.

That man is very leather, his tongue eh.. knows how to drop nuclear bombs without blinking an eye.

teufelein:
some of people from the zoo nigeria are completely senseless...they forget easily that Buhari stole almost 3 Billion Dollar of Petroleum Trust Fund(PTF).
I pity sincerely some fooools..No wonder you're in darkness.

You are nothing but a Wicked soul with a wicked mindset. can you prove this lie of yours with fact and figures? your afterlife is what I pity.

teufelein:
6 Reasons Why You Should Avoid Buhari Like Ebola Virus

1. Violence

He makes provocative statements that are capable of putting the country in crisis. This attitude caused the death of hundreds of innocent lives after the 2011 elections where about 10 youth corps were also murdered in cold blood. 2015 is not here, but he has already promised "dogs and baboon..." Compare this with the US election where Romney wasted no time to congratulate Pres. Obama or the Australian election where the incumbent, Rudd lost and quickly congratulated Abbott. A great leader should always place national interest above personal ambition.

2. Bigotry

He's intolerant of any idea other than his own, especially on religion, politics, or race. No wonder he doesn't criticize anything that concerns his religion, no matter how bad. Hence, his obvious sympathy to B'Haram. A good leader should have listening ears, take a stand on what is good but also allow people to air their views and be entitled to their opinions.

3. Principle

He's not a man of principle, that is why he has been jumping from one party to another, even aligning with known corrupt elements in the hope of actualizing his presidential ambition. Great leaders don't do this. They always stick with like-minds, no matter the situation.

4. Lack of Democratic Features

Though, his admirers want us to believe that he was invited to lead after the coup but the fact is that he wasn't the most senior office at that time. Nevertheless, we've not forgotten the obnoxious Decree 4 - against which truth was no defence. He used this to jail journalists and attempt to cow the whole media. He did not also make any plan to organize election and handover to a democratic govt.

5. Tribalism

The lopsided execution of PTF projects which was 74% and 26% (according to PTF Situation Report, Vol 2, 98) in the north and south respectively showed his tribalistic nature. The dumping of Dr. Alex Ekwueme in Kirikiri maximum prison and Shagari placed under house arrest was beyond tribalism.

6. His 2-year reign as a Head of State left no legacy

Buhari's 2-year iron-fist rule left no legacy in Nigeria. There is nothing we can point at now that was established by his govt. Or should we call the cancellation of Lagos monorail as his legacy after-all Nigeria till date has no monorail?

Lets end this part 1 with the quote of October 4, 2010: "Buhari is perpetually un-electable because of his insensitivity to Nigeria’s diversity and his parochial focus are already well-known." - Mallam Nasir el-Rufai

People like you who spread lies hardly end well in life, what is the value of your integrity?

barcanista:
Bros Lai Mohammed is not a "gentleman o" and Fashakin played gentle but didn't manage Buhari and CPC well. It is not about beiÑg "feared" by PDP but about being able to win the heart and support of the electorates. A Joe Igbokwe or Ahmed Gulak is what is needed in politics. even Mrs Íbim(RÍvers Information Commissioner don't take it lightly with the PDP because she knows what they are capable of. Propaganda is one of the strongest tool in politics, never allow them to use it against you or your principal in the name of gentleman.
Like Amaechi said, "if you accuse me wrongly, I wil go to the press and accuse you in ten fold". Go through the Amaechi-Mbu/PEJ/Wike saga

Compare comments from these people with yours towards that female handle. they are not similar. you can shoot bullets yet appear calm like Lai Mohammed and Fashakin.

huptin:
I don't like Good luck but I won't vote for Buhari. A vote for Buhari is a vote for retrogression and not change

It's hard to embrace change if you do not even recognize change.

barcanista:
My friend I understand. In politics you don't always play "gentleman" otherwise, you'll be bullied off the track or smeared with propaganda. This is the reason Buhari was taken a ride on by the evil PDP in the past. All successful politicians have the mix of ruggedity, gentility, calmliness and confidence. GMB should leave us to play the ruggedity for him. Successful politicians in Africa are rugged, Aregbesola, Tinubu, Amaechi, Adedibu(in a wrong way), Obasanjo, Kwankwaso, MKO, Awo, Saraki, Allasane Ouatarra(ivory coast), Mugabe(Zimbabwe), Fayose(Fayemi was being a perfect gentleman) etc.
Boss, perfect gentlemen don't go anywhere in politics, they always come second or last. That is why Gani, Utomi, Jimi Agbaje, Ribadu etc will always flop in politics. Fashola wouldn't have been governor but thanks to God and the ruggedity of Tinubu.

VlaÐimir Putin would have been flogged by the West today if he had been a "perfect" gentleman. I hope you understand my "ruggedity" in this context.
Let PDP and enemies of progress come, we shall beat them in their own game

Alright, if it makes you happy.
But the 2 people I mentioned are calm, yet feared by pdp.

jamace:
Is Buhari telling us he is not a team player? Where are his team of supporters? Does he not know this is a political era and not military that oga has the final say? I'm sorry for Buhari for having military mentality of handling issues. From this mentality, even if Buhari wins and becomes president( I doubt him winning anyway), he will not succeed as it was in his military days. In fact, he will be frustrated out of government. It seems to me that Buhari lack knowledge of the terrain of politics.

GMB doesn't allow people pay for his nomination form, he does the payment himself, as for campaign and other things, his supporters and party takes charge. I hope we are clear on this?

barcanista:
Çhief I spot hypocrites and vile people when I see one. That baby-factory queen have this prejudice against GMB, this is not the first time she has made baseless insults against the General. We are in a political season where many innocent minds could be manipulated by the sweet tongue of a bigot hiding under the cloak of a female. We know those people Sir. Mizmycoli(or whatever) is a closet bigot and a vile person(today she proves it). A human that will wake up and say I don't like so and so does not deserve any form of respect. We know critic and we know bigots.

Thank You

The best way would have been to expose her lies IMO, two wrongs don't make a right.

I know we have alot of "green snakes under the green grass, but you can still expose these set of people without getting violent. GMB won't applaud your attitude for his sake. just be calm and tackle them Lai Mohammed/Fashakin style.

brownlord:
“I was about to go to Kaduna this morning and I told the Chairman but he said in that case, you better pick your form and keep a straight face that means there is no excuse,” Mr. Buhari said.

She omitted that part.

It means the peoples general dint go to kaduna to sign any document or meet with the bank, according to him, the transaction was done by phone.

Obiageli, you disappointing me again.

And what exactly does this part add or remove from the main reason he was to go to Kaduna?

MizMyColi:
Okay, right now I'm becoming sentimental.

While I reckon that this is not the full statement, the holes I found are still glaring.....

But I'd rather preserve my relationship with you (passive albeit) than go ahead and lay down my arguments, I fear they might result in a war of words.

Let's just say I value my image of you more than the need to be seen as "right" and wouldn't mind leaving this thread right now, to preserve it.

Thanks for your time Ma'am.

Kindly go ahead with the loopholes, maybe we can both tackle them without anyone leaving with e-injuries, incase you think the quote is incomplete, kindly post the complete quote where you discovered the loopholes.

Thanks

barcanista:
And you are definitely a s*x starved product of baby factory. Bigotry and folly is your inheritance. It's in your blood.

Please calm down, haba, something is definitely not well with you today, this is rather unusual.

Obiagelli:
Buhari’s exact words below, you might not necessarily have to tender an apology sis. Pay attention to the bolded part, he wasn't emphatic about a loan.

“But I felt heavily sorry for myself because I don’t want
to go and ask somebody to pay for my nomination
forms, because I always try to pay myself, at least for
the nomination.

“N27 million is a big sum, thankfully I have personal
relationship with the manager of my bank in Kaduna
and I told him that very soon the forms are coming, so,
whether I am on red, or green or even black please
honour it otherwise I may lose the nomination.

Only sensible people can see the message in this quote of his, he wasn't asking his bank to give him 27 million naira loan, this is likely pointing to withdrawing more than what he has in his account, he could have up to 26 million in his account or even 1 million. people should use their brain for once. God didn't give you a brain to waste, he gave you a brain to think things through all the time.

Happy weekend.