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diggz:
Wereyyy


hoopla you have a parcel here

Return that smelly package.

When someone doesn't understand the difference between a comparison and an example, he starts forming intelligence.

When old people are doing things that their younger counterparts can't even fathom in the same sports, isn't that a sign that older people can still cut it? Or are the ones I listed in those sports the only participants in their sports? Or are all basketballers, tennis players,athletes or boxers all above 30?

But as usual this habitual apologist won't apply simple perspective when reading.

diggz:
I do agree with certain aspects of your post however I will need to address the areas of your post I don't agree with later today.

Kindly say yes or no to this qxn pls.....

Do you think Pep failed to win a single trophy last season solely due to the age of his players? YES or NO please...

The crux of the matter right there.

And till we get the true answer to that we all are doing verbal gymnastics.

Nihilist:
There's a reason why your peak in football is widely regarded as being between 26-28 as an outfield player.

Once you hit 29, you're old. Once you hit 30 as a winger or speedy striker, you're already on your way to the scrap heap. Target men strikers, Defensive Midfielders and Centrebacks who don't have to run as much can last till 33-34 max. Then you have the consummate professionals with good genetics like Lahm, Ororo, Giggs, Lampard, and Ibra who can eke out a decent level of performance before finding their way to America.

Football at coal tar level is brutal on the body let alone football , let alone top level. Ask Batistuta why he once asked a doctor to amputate his legs, or Crespo that has almost no cartilage left in his knee. Just look at Rooney or Zabaleta with white hairs in their beard and nothing left naturally on their chrome domes - them never even reach 35 sef.

What you have said is a fact. Arguing against it means one is either stupid or tone deaf.

But my gripe is that proponents of this over 30 thing don't want to accept that those who are that age can actually contribute meaningfully.

For the record, I brought those sports just to show that it is not restricted to just football alone. And as start and stop a game as basketball is, it is almost as intense physically, if not as intense, as football. You might want to disagree.But that is another argument for another day.

If people like Oliver Kahn can drag their sides to World Cup finals single handedly and win Golden Balls, or Zidane and Cannavaro can be both gold and silver ball winners in the same World Cup, with the latter even winning WPOTY, or people like Zlatan can hit nearly 30 goals in a season then I'm not sure what dayo's point is when he blames City's fortunes on an ageing defense last season.

raumdeuter:
What has this got to do with me?

I don't respond to subzero IQ posts you should know that if you've been on this forum for a year

Ogbeni tell us the reason why your Pep is preparing a second bid for a 29 year old Jonny Evans and stop pretending to be an ostrich though the resemblance is quite uncanny.


All this forming intellectual intelligence won't take you anywhere.

Tomorrow you will want people to take you serious when you sound and look like gorimapa.

Eruditor:
I don't hold briefs for anyone but there are outliers to every argument or position.

I am sure United would have coughed out the same £80M for CR7 today albeit he is 32.

Zlatan was 35 last season and still notched up 28 goals in all competitions for United.

Iniesta is 33 today and is a shadow of himself. Usain Bolts (although not a footballer but you get the point). The bell curve suggests that age more often that not will affect talented players with people like CR7 and Zlatan being the anomalies.

Whether age was the sole reason City flopped last season is another debate entirely. Most of those fullbacks they had last season were purchased not later than 2011 and 6 years is a long time in football.

I am not discounting the age thing.
But when someone irresponsibly uses it as basis for poor performance then that is just wrong.
I gave examples of not one but two title winning sides [Man united 2011 and 2013] that had three of its regular starting four at age 30 or over. And my point is that there are several existing and previous scenarios where players over 30 have given above average performances. Not just in football but sport in general.

In basketball, the Chicago Bulls from 95-98 were near the oldest side in the NBA. Michael Jordan at age 35 in 98 not only won an NBA title that year, he was MVP both in the regular season and the finals.
LeBron JAMES is 32,and he averaged a triple double in this years finals. If you are a basketball aficionado you will know what this means statistically. Up till 2017 it had never been done until LeBron.

In tennis, where is Roger Federer getting the strength to win two of the three grand slams already contested for this year?

You mentioned Usain bolt, but he lost the 100m final to a35 year oldJustin Gatlin. And I'm pretty confident that athletics is the place you don't want to go if you're looking for how to prove that older athletes can't cope with competition. Same for boxing where people like Bernard Hopkins were winning world titles into their forties.Ditto for Floyd mayweather who won world titles in his 30s

You have a solid point about their performances as they age but when someone says that is the primary reason for a teams failure, I won't buy it. It's just lazy.

I have tried to make the point about Pep signing rubbish players last season as well as his early treatment of City stalwarts prior to his arrival as reasons for his disappointing season last term.
But no, Clichy Sagna and Zabaletta being over 30 is why Pep went trophiless.
Yet the same City has a 29 year old Otamendi, a 32 year old Kompany still on their books, and reportedly made a bid for a 29 year old Jonny Evans.
How do you marry that with his argument that "football is for young people"?

sod09:
Pa Ramuzaki,
Since papa ajasco is very much interested in young players, can you explain to us why he's running after 29 years old Manure reject Johnny Evans, 2 bids already rejected so think before you lie.
Remember he have kompany 31, Otamendi 29, is he planning for the future or present

But our resident age expects us to believe that "football is for young people".
When you point out his gaffe he will tell you that you are cherry picking.

Then he will say he is doing discrimination based on intelligence.
A meeting of horned animals was called and the snail showed up. Just like our kage expert claiming to be an intellectual because he is making a hollow excuse for a Pep that bought duds and frauds last season while listing several of those old players regularly that same season. If he is intelligent then I have the cure for cancer and the solution to the Middle East problem because it is clear his sIQ is inversely proportional to the square of the rate of his hair loss

I would have bought his argument if he said those players were not good enough. But to solely hinge City's failure last season on being an ageing squad is pure falsehood.

Eruditor:
They need Home grown talent plus Mangala is off to Inter.

Johnny is 29. WBA want £35M for him but City offered £18M and now £22M. Nobody will give £35M for a substitute CB.

Substitute or not, this move defies the lame lie that someone has been peddling here about City having an old squad.This is after Pep failed to bring in a 34 year oldDani Alec's after publicly courting him this summer.

It's mind boggling that City bid for a man entering his 30s when it is being theorized that the back four last season was too old.
Let's see how this e-Spider-Man spins this web.

dopeJemi:
did these players falsify their ages that fraudiolia didn't notice they were old? after all he outspent his rivals and yet carried on with players above 30

Especially when he knew he was going to assume the post like 6 months before hand.

Dayo hasn't told us how his signings last season fared being that Pep inherited a side that he (dayo) is claiming was old.
The Stones, Bravos, Nolitos, Gundigans that ended up creating more problems for City.

raumdeuter:
Messi Ronaldo Suarez, compare their performance when they were under 30 to when they were over 30

Why are Terry Lampard Drogba Rooney RvP not chased around by top teams currently? Anyone with a single digit IQ will tell you its related to their age

Its common knowledge that performance declines with age infact many managers don't give players over 30 more than a year contract. Picking one or 2 players who still play is like expecting a 42yr old to be scoring because Roger Milla once did it

I have no time to waste on subzero IQ people, Incase folks here didnt tell you I run a discrimination policy based on intelligence

It is you who has been arguing like a zombie.
If you are going by you "football is meant for young people" argument then you should be in a sanitarium by now.
Ogbeni stop elevating your shallow intelligence and sit down somewhere.
I've given you more than one instance of players over 30 who still put in more than decent shifts.
Instead of accepting that the age argument is flawed, you are here trying to form superior intellect.
Abeg go back to those soccer illiterates that follow Houston Dynamo and impress them with your falsehood. We know better here.

Pep bought mostly duds and failed to improve city with his purchases. His other dealings with the players he met there didn't help his cause. That was why he failed in his first season at City. Trying to propose an alternative age theory will get you nowhere.

Go back and think of the next lie you will blow here.
You cannot force your silly ideas on us.

^^^
In the absence of cobhams delivery, I volunteer to deliver this package.

Griffon if you like beef me. Skimpledawg your competition is here

Lana1:
City spent more this transfer window. The ve the best squad depth of the top 6 teams.

But Pa Ramuzaki wants us to believe United has the better chance of winning the league because we have younger players and because we played better than his MCM's team on the weekend.

Wonderfuu!!

Haven't you heard?
"Football is for young people"- raumdeuter
When you tell him that players over30 have achieved success in football he asks irrelevant questions.
Ronaldo is over 30 and in line to be WPOTY for 2017.
Messi is around 30 and scoring for fun every season.
Luis Suarez is 30 and still banging in goals.

But our resident vulture tells us that the reason Pep failed is because he had four defenders over 30 plus Jesus Navas. This is despite knowing those players were there six months ahead of being named City manager in waiting and spending a full season with these players.
It had nothing to do with buying duds like Nolito,crocks like gundogan and flops like Stones and Bravo and exiling people like Toure and Kompany initially and banishing Joe Hart on loan

Dayo you are a fraudulent scam if you keep propagating this age lie.

The age thing didn't stop him from running after a 34 year old Dani Alves who is older than all the defenders in question that had to be replaced.

Seriously,sometimes debating him lowers ones IQ.
A surgeon-generals warning needs to come with his post indicating the dangers of responding to him.

Griffon:
Ric Flair was hospitalized for heart problems this weekend.

I pray he makes it.

I know wrestling is fake but Ric Flair has to be the GOAT.
He was an astonishing heel.
He did all he could to always retain the title, and he was always cheating. All the good guys would do allbthe could but he would weasel his way out either by his horsemen or with a foreign object, or pulling tights.
That was in the 80s

He made me hate his guts. Always backstabbing the good guys(Sting suffered in his hands).

He claims he's been clean for years but I'm not so sure.

elrony:
"Football is a game for young people "

Please how young, Mr Apari Ramuzaki ?

When people start losing credibility this is the kind of statement they start vomiting online.
Maybe Fabio Cannavaro was young as world player of the year at 33years old in 2006,or maybe he has another definition of "young" that we are not privy to.
His Germany sides have produced players who in their 30s have excelled in international competitions. Oliver Kahn was best player in 2002 World Cup at 33, just for starters. Lothar Matthau set the record for World Cup appearances at age 36 in France 98.

But bald vulture says football is for young people

Lana1:
I'm not understanding...

See why I say it is an asylum escapee?
The way it rambles you would assume it is missing its one imaginary friend in its demented head.

raumdeuter:
Football is a game for young people. City had 4 full backs who were over 30. That is a problem. City had the 17th oldest team in the league last season

Compared to the other title rivals City was too old

Your type will say anything to just stay in an argument even when it's obvious you don't have anything to say.
So then, according to your logic and argument,Man United had no business winning the 2010/11 and 2012/13 league titles since 3 of their starting back 4 (Rio, Vidic and Evra) were above your cut off age of 30 at those times.

Pep is either an idiot (after 6 months advance notice of knowing he would manage an "ageing" City side but decided to persist with the side for a full season till he achieved nothing with it before remembering they were old)or a hot air bag full of excuses for every failure.

This age thing is a sorry excuse as your bald head is for holding no hair.

Lana1:
Nobody does initial gra gra better than Arsenal tho

Eyah,
Somebody finally answered that sociopath.

Life isn't that bad after all. If Lana1 can respond to this living thing all the way from Adamawa then there is indeed a God somewhere.

Danhumprey:
I don't think we need any further reinforcement. if there is any incoming, it should be a proper/natural right winger. that's all for me.

It's actually easy to be swayed by the performance today(and to be honest it's the best all round we've had since Fergie left in my opinion) as heartwarming as it looked but we can never stop strengthening while we can.

It would appear Jose has solved the midfield steel problem with the addition of Matic as well as us looking quite fearsome going forward but is still early days.

I think we still need some defensive reinforcements given how unreliable Smalling and Jones are and Rojo andShaw being out long term

raumdeuter:
Yes that was because United underperformed seriously last season. This season they have filled the little deficiencies and their young players are maturing into roles.

Today all but 1 of United starters were under 30 and 4(Bailey, Jones, Rashford, Lukaku) were 25yrs or younger sef

I don't understand why age is the basis for your argument.
City had enough quality in that side to mount a title challenge.Pep had some time to figure the age part out given that he knew he would be city boss months in advance and could have identified it and taken action on it prior to the start of last season.unless you're implying he was inept in realizing the "age" "problem" ,he will still have excuses in May if he fails to win the league.if he decided to retroactively deal with the glaring problem after a full year at the helm then he may not be as smart as you give him credit for given that he should have seen it from a distance

My point is, I still don't see how age was the issue with city last season.

PietroRico:
Perisic can lock down that RW.. he would improve our squad immensely

thought he was a left winger,no?

I've been of the conviction that we don't need to sign Perisic if Martial is motivated and focused and given adequate game time.

The early signs look good.

PietroRico:
We even dominated west ham more in this fixture of last season.

Lots of people severely undermined our last season performances because of our wastefulness

This is the truth.
I think we had like20something attempts that day.
The only difference is that today we were more clinical

raumdeuter:
There is only so much he can buy. Both bought well. But City had more holes to fill than United

I thought City finished above United last season.
So how does your assertion above tally with facts on ground?

Somebody reminds me of Mercury man in Terminatior 2:Judgement day.
Just shifting shape anyhow

larride:
If Shaw won't stay fit, we need a better LB and maybe a back up for Valencia

Possibly.
But at the moment I think the forward line looks good if they can retain consistency.

Hopefully Pogba can be serious and play some constructive football like he appeared to do today without unnecessary showboating.

PietroRico:
we are comparing footballers, not key holders.. Ogbeni shift

Be kind to the homeless waif with no real-life friends.

Danhumprey:
Where are those that were against the purchase of Matic? please, come out, come out. don't be ashamed. raise your hand up.

Tell the truth and shame the devil, I no lie I dry complain.

But I can help with a few names.

ChristineC
dopeJemi

Oasis007:


Kuku kill the Guy! Anywhere he goes, you appear; anything post he makes, you respond. If the Dude breaths in Oxygen, he should be expecting to breath out you!

i just like using the blunt tool as English refresher,nothing more.

Nihilist:
I don't think I underestimated Matics ability. I know fully well what he brings to the table. The problem is that in his chosen line of work, Kante is better than him, and so we needed a new dimension from Matic...a dimension that Matic always failed to offer.

I don't want to start rehashing old matters here. Enjoy having Matic on your team. I'm enjoying no longer having him on my team. That's all really.

No problems. Not sure what the emboldened means in the context of your side winning the title last season. Kante was there to do all that.
Like you said it's no point going over that since it's water under the bridge.
Hopefully Bakayoko doesn't disappoint your high expectation when he comes back.

Midfield reinvigorated with Matic.

Even Pogba got some sense today.

Lukaku? I had my doubts about him but I think he's the sh1t.

Gonna be an interesting season.


Just asking,do we still need any reinforcements?

Nihilist:
Lol

You ain't seen nothing yet. I remember when I used to argue that Bag of Beans was world class.

We shall see.
It's too early to make assertions for this season.
But it doesn't look like Chelsea made the right move disposing of him at the moment.

I think you underestimated his value to your side in the light of Kante's arrival.

sod09:
Scummies and neighbor are hot ATM
Another initial gra gra

Somebody, anybody
please respond to this attention seeking post

Nihilist:
Matic is a bag of beans, but he's your bag of beans now...

Im just grateful to your manager for continuing to do his grocery shopping in West London, despite living up north.

As you were saying. . .

Griffon:
I love competitions but not your type, nah.

You no get packaging, no selling point, no brand name, nothing at all.

You never deliver package pass your yard fence yet you deem it appropriate to compete with Cobhaim Express? Suicide has many definitions, don't do this to yourself.

Hey you can't knock a brothers hustle.
How do you know my capabilities when you haven't tried me?