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kkins25:
exactly..,.. this is what am trying to say. remove the source and conquer sin. im not saying men should go unpurnished for crimes. crime is not d same as sin

When you commit a crime, you thereby commit a sin as well. You cann't commit a crime without doing an evil act, when you do an evil act, you have commited a crime, when you commit a crime u are a sinner. EVIL ACT= CRIME= SIN simple.

kkins25:
am not saying punishment shouldnt be delivered to evil men. let me ask you this,
why is it that in heaven there would be no sin??

Because there would be no cause to do it. You wont even think abt it. D devil is no more advising you.

kkins25:
well while I do my research, goodluck to you too trying to kill all the evil men. im sure you would end up killing everybody and in the end yourself. then the devil will look u and smile: iamgenius thank you for being a devil.

you do not seem to understand my analogy. if Allah knew better why didnt he too destroy all the evil men??
so buhari is a saint now. magu is a saint now too abi?? mtcheeew they there mumu never do you, ameachi, tinubu, okorocha, atiku etc, them no corrupt abi?? see saraki, dino malye, them too no corrupt abi?? yet this are buharis cabinet. and you think he is fighting corruption??

I can see you dodging that verse. I think say you be one of their mumu, dat's why I advised you go to them. What about the evil doers during the time of Noah(peace be upon him). Now use ur brain as a human being, religious aspect aside now; What do you think shld be done to those that rape, rob, kill for ritual and other evil acts?

kkins25:
if he didnt advice me would I do evil??
if your religion tells you to destroy all evil men then its time to switch religion.
God too destroyed all the evil men once but look at it today.
even in saudi arabia where laws are strict, arent there still evil men??
reason well brother, no matter how many thieves you use as scapegoat, more will still be caught. then ask yourself, Can man eliminate sin by killing or punishing the perpetrators? No!!
now you ask yourself, are you perfect? if yes then it either you are God or you LIE, if NO then are you any different from a thieve a rapist or a murderer ?? after all a sin is a sin isnt it?? if you had grown up in the same circumstances a thieve grew up in you might also end up a thieve.
"THE GOOD DIE YOUNG" you will now begin to understand the phrase.

Is that a new law from you? U can help tell Mr. Buhari and other Force and Law Agencies to stop bullying, disgracing, punishing d evil doers, rather they should go and arrest d devil(satan) himself. U have to tell them d devils whereabouts, Gudluck to ur new research. If people like you become a famous pastor(yahoo pastor), na yov go dey preach say Stealing Is Not Corruption. Dont forget Romans 6:23- For D Wages Of Sin Is Death. Chai! even if u steal 10Naira? That's cruel bro.

specter:
Well! Thanks. I wish the mods will do justice to this topic so we can benefit from the elucidation of our pastors/prophets in the house.
I am tempted to align myself with you postulation which appeals to common sense, but again, there is another side I was exposed to, which stipulates that it was the old position and the new position is that the hair covers the head, so there is a natural covering with no need for covering with the veil.
Again, I stand to be schooled, most of the character of Jesus Christ and the apostles, dipicts them having hair like that of women as obtainable in the western world. From the chapter, especially 10-16. Will you say those characters are being wrongly displayed that the true biblical character never had long hair like women?

I sincerely need to understand this passage as it affects directly what I have always supported.

The problem is that most christians believe their pastors more than Jesus himself. I once had an encounter with a christian who said; "Even If Jesus Come Down Now And Tell Me My Pastor Is A Liar, I Will Tell Jesus That He Is Also A Liar". U see that? People dont adhere to d teaching of Jesus in d bible. Try not to be biased, just use ur brain and open your mind to d truth.

OtemAtum:
Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, but it can be changed from one form to another. It has a scientific backing.

Okay I don understand. So ur god is Energy, it created those first beings like yahweh, atum et al as you told me in our first meeting. And atum then choose u as his disciple like Faulkins.

AlBaqir:
# Èyin melo? Obviously, èyin "salafi-wahabi" ideology.

# In retrospect, how does this sound: We all know what Salafism Aqeedah is which is KUFR, and that is believing in God whose residence is located in the 7th Heaven, and every night before dawn come down to lowest heaven to see/hear those who are calling him, and this God sits/stands on a big throne, and He has hands, legs, face (Haqiqi)?!


* Kindly, save your explanations and stories. How does that sounds? You don't make nonsense statements.

What are you saying sir? Are U a muslim?

Empiree:
You don't know? . And you jumped the gun?. Is this how Islamic knowledge is achieved?.

I don't understand muslims today. Anyways, information is free and easily accessible this modern time. I would suggest you research (don't be lazy). That's what student of knowledge does. After that, you may return here with questions you may have.

Brother, be sincere to your Deen. We all know what Sufism is; we all know it can lead to being a kaafir, I didn't say u are one.

specter:
My question is sequel to the modernised theory/doctrine that woman no longer need to cover hair to church, some are allowed to barbe which I am not against, some carry weaves and wevons, etc.
Some even stand on the alter to address the congregation without covering.
My question is " the covering reffered to above, is it the metaphorical covering (natural hair covering ) or the covering with a Vail".

That's my question.

My brother, d definition of head is D Part Of D Body Above D Neck Which Consists Jaw, Mouth, Nose, Eyes, Brain. So if we want 2 interprete what to be used to cover the head, I will say it's the Veil. Some people that only follow their pastors will start throwing tantrums at me when they read this.

Even if it's not being practised in ur church doesn't mean ur pastors are right. Do U Follow Jesus Or Pastors?

specter:
I came cross 1cor 11::5 which left me short of words this morning and juxterposing it with the old testament leaves my short of words on the fact most pentecostal church including mine.
It's there another angle to this?

Cc: pastors

Brother don't you understand English language again! It's simply saying that every woman should cover their head, and men shouldn't. 1 Cor 11:13 says men shldn't leave their hair to grow long coz they will be disrespecting God thereby, And women shld leave their hair long, coz that's why they are commanded to cover their hair. Some pastors even ignore this fact.

OtemAtum:
Everything has a source and that source is ENERGY. That energy cannot be created or destroyed. That energy transformed into everything in existence, including you, me, animals, planets, water, fire, nature, etc That Energy is what I call God. The beings(homos) which first manifested from it are called the higher beings or gods. When we die, we become higher beings too. We can return reincarnated into this world or any of other planets or remain long in the afterlives where the ENERGY OF PEACE is much concentrated.

So energy cann't be created? If I ask you 4 ur prove now, u'll tell me to come meet you.

ikheAllah:
please can I know if you schooled in polytechnic Ibadan. nd what's ur full name.

No, but I live in Ibadan.

kkins25:
thats one thing with you muslims, everything is about killing the infidels. (goodluck with that anyway, you can see how muslims are suffering. cleaning all the pollution in the ocean does not mean the ocean would be pure because you have not identified the source of the pollution. keep on catching the corrupt politicians and corruption would steal prevail, you know why, because the loop holes in the system have not been blocked. now with respect to jesus, the evil of the world was the devil. "I am of my father-God, but ye are of your(pharisees) father the devil". the source of evil was evil doctrine. that is what jesus came to fight. not the people. Remember "Father forgive them they know not what they do". so you see the men were not the problem but the "principalities and powers". when you muslims understand the battle is not between good men nd bad men but btw all men and evil then your religion would move closer to the kingdom of God. as for now you are behind us, sorry to say.

U always like to blame devil. Who are those behind d devilish acts in this world? I know ur answer will be "It's D Devil". Ur wrong bro, u ever seen d devil? No. He just advice d people to do devilish acts, so whoever follows him is misguided. Stop blaming d devil 4 ur evil acts.

701ecilana:
You don dey open your mouth talk nonsense, why him no post the Bible verse for you to see then ask for the meaning before you start wrap trash?

Na who send you to be moslem?

I send myself to be a muslim. You dey do christianity coz u are born in it, and there is lot of jokes and play play in church.

Empiree:
what is sufism?

I don't know, pls enlighten me.

Bandeco:
Western Europe has more developed infrastructure than Canada. You can't compare both regions.

I have Canadian friends here in Europe acknowledge this fact.

Okay I don Hear.

Bandeco:
Europe looks more beautiful and more developed infrastructure-wise than Canada

Who told you that? Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal, British Columbia, go check their infrastructure them bad. @fcavalry, na lie?

Harkyn92:
their is no concussion in your question, Islam doesn't juxtapose at all.
talking about messiah, it means a miraculous man that performs miracle. but that doesn't make him God like you always claim, because he's still sent by someone(God) whose without his permission, no miracle can be performed. and it is this same God that sent other prophets to other people at different time to different people except prophet muhammed that is the last prophet sent to the whole world. mind you the miracle of Jesus doesn't make him God because there are other prophets with different miracles, and even men of God are performing miracle these days and also many prophet of God performs their own miracles too. and if it is on the basis of the fact that he's fatherless, what about Adam without father and mother.
I think I should stop here for now and wait for more questions from you.

Harkyn92:
their is no concussion in your question, Islam doesn't juxtapose at all.
talking about messiah, it means a miraculous man that performs miracle. but that doesn't make him God like you always claim, because he's still sent by someone(God) whose without his permission, no miracle can be performed. and it is this same God that sent other prophets to other people at different time to different people except prophet muhammed that is the last prophet sent to the whole world. mind you the miracle of Jesus doesn't make him God because there are other prophets with different miracles, and even men of God are performing miracle these days and also many prophet of God performs their own miracles too. and if it is on the basis of the fact that he's fatherless, what about Adam without father and mother.
I think I should stop here for now and wait for more questions from you.

Harkyn92:
their is no concussion in your question, Islam doesn't juxtapose at all.
talking about messiah, it means a miraculous man that performs miracle. but that doesn't make him God like you always claim, because he's still sent by someone(God) whose without his permission, no miracle can be performed. and it is this same God that sent other prophets to other people at different time to different people except prophet muhammed that is the last prophet sent to the whole world. mind you the miracle of Jesus doesn't make him God because there are other prophets with different miracles, and even men of God are performing miracle these days and also many prophet of God performs their own miracles too. and if it is on the basis of the fact that he's fatherless, what about Adam without father and mother.
I think I should stop here for now and wait for more questions from you.

That's Good.

kkins25:
does who live by the SWORD die by the SWORD. sword is symbolic for battle or war. he cannot make peace with evil, he can wgae war against it and defeat it...

Okay, so ur jesus will wage war against evil without waging war againt the people(evil doers)? Likewise Mr. Buhari wants to fight corruption without him touching the corrupt politicians! E Make Sense?

Jhaytee4all:
i like your question

it's good you asked instead of 'the otherwise' or else, people like the atheists will remain confused and continue to remain confused unless they are convicted by the Holy Ghost.

i'll explain it as best as possible..

Matthew 10:34
34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.

now compare Revelations13:10. says;

10 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

according to the gospel of Matthew10, Jesus had further said that, he did not come to bring peace to the earth but a sword. why? ask yourself, "right now, is there any peace on earth?" see the various painful happenings happening on earth. no perfect peace, no perfect love etc., but wickedness, hatefulness and suffering at every point of time in life.

Meanwhile, Jesus said He came to fulfill the law(Matthew5:17-18), and was bringing ritgheousness back to those who wills and wants to be righteous does not mean he came to bring peace on the earth.

Moroever, if you say Jesus is the Prince of Peace, then Jesus is really the Prince of Peace from before tie began. Meaning that He is the Prince of Peace does not mean we will have peace on earth until He has defeated the devil and put all things under His feet in which, as a matter of fact, explains my quote of Revelations13:10.

Jesus did not come to bring peace to the earthlings, but he literally left a sword. if you can understand the statement "he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword" according to the book of revelations, it signifies a evil person killing with a sword who'll also be killed by another Mighty person with his own sword.

you can read this part of revelations here...

The Beast and His Armies Defeated

17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, “Come and gather together for the supper of the great God, 18 that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great.”

19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

and these is what i guess would be that sword that will devour the wicked and evil ones before the resoration of peace on the earth and the reign of the Jesus Christ and His saints..

The Saints Reign with Christ 1,000 Years

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or osn their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.


Finally, if Jesus had brought peace instead of a sword, how many people would love to live a peaceful life, seeing that we have wicked people who'll never change even if God had to beg them to desist.

U didn't address d issue, you are just quoting d verses again.

ikheAllah:
please can I know if you schooled in polytechnic Ibadan. nd what's ur full name.

No, I didn't. I'm Saheed.

Empiree:
especially abdelkabir a k a lexiconkabir. He victimized non-salafists here many times. I am the only one who constantly stood up to him in most cases. He even said he would not take knowledge from sufi shuyukh and emphatically said 'abadan'(lae lae). I remembered that. Also said murid are follow follow and accused me of being a muridi.

Go on, take your knowledge from a Sufi and be misguided. I pity you.

OtemAtum:
Nature is the 'controlling' aspect of God Almighty. God Almighty is the sum total of every thing in the world. It's wrong to perceive God Almighty as one being with legs and hands like human, rather God Almighty is the sum total of everything in existence. So I am a part of the whole.

If everything came into being by accident, spontaneously and with no cause, then there is no one who knows how they were created, and that is one possibility. But there is another possibility, which is that these things created themselves and are taking care of themselves. And there is a third possibility, which is that there is Someone Who created them. What is ur take on that?

kkins25:
thats easy. The "world" jesus was referring to is not people per se but the sytem/philosophy/ideolgy of the people. he did not come to corroborate the existing system, he came to challenge it. a muslim father would not be happy if his child switched to another religion neither would a christian father hence jesus' statement "...fathers against son, etc..."

See this guy, u r not explaining the verse. The verse is Mathew 10:34= Think not that I am come to send peace on earth, I came not to send peace, but "SWORD" The question is Jesus also is the prince of peace, but he said in d verse above that he only brought "A SWORD" Why sword?

kkins25:
so you muslims know its word yet islam has produced the state of the arts acts of terrorism. congrats.

Abeg explain the verse, or make you go ask ur pastor. Even Mr Adeboye and co can't explain it. It's A Challenge From Me

OtemAtum:
You don't need to pray to anybody for anything before you get them. Whatever shall be yours cannot be another person's own if you work towards it. I don't pray for all the things I get for one and half year now and I get them because they are mine. Nature gives to me what is mine.

Note, whenever I use the word 'pray' I am only talking about 'wish'.

U mean nature is controlling everything? So Natute is ur creator?

OtemAtum:
Ahn ahn
Who wan dash me basket mouth kind of God Manifestation in Awadology? I pray I have such kind of talent my guy, I'll make the world happier.

Edited: Gbenga Adeboye's type even freak me more, hope you know Gbenga Adeboye.

Sure I know Mr Funwantan. So who will you pray to for thay talent?

OtemAtum:
Awada baba suwe

But on a serious note, this thing is very true. Anything in the DOCTUFOS OF TRUTH is true as inspired by Atum and all the other gods who are the brothers of Allah your god.

Infact, urs pass Basketmouth.

yemyke001:
Jesus said he came to bring sword, to set man against his family, but he is the prince of peace, do you remember He said peace be still. Explain Matt 10:34

If to say na inside Al Quran that kind word dey; I dont know what will happen. The writers of d bible were very stupid, how can a prophet bring SWORD to turn everyone against one anothe? The truth is the original scripture says it's WORD not sword. That's why we mus5ims say we love Jesus and follow his teachings.

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fcalvary:
Lovely Regina

Why we no see people walking up and down nah? Bros U sure say people they live there? Abi na only houses, cars and trees dey there? LOL NAIJA !