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desiredhome:
I think you lack the understanding of what Love is, you are the type that rather give your money to a businessman called pastor while a relative or friend is in need/pain.
Love is giving to those in need, it's compassion, caring for one another. Sometimes your blessing you seek is in the little help you render to someone in need but your pastorprenour will not tell you that because they want to milk you dry.
You can't pay God for what He has done for you,
Even when we pay the tithes and all the money they keep demanding, how has it change the poverty level of the over 70% of the Church members?
"That there will be meat in the house, the question is, where is the meat in the house?

I think If your pastors will do the right thing, by giving to the needy, your prayer points will be less.

Even though you pay 100% of your salary every month as tithe without righteousness you are just wasting your time

Ok. I think we're done with this discussion. Let it be as you understand

OkCornel:
Did Paul mention in any of his letters that Christians ought to tithe? Did any of the Apostles lay such requirements on the early Christians that they ought to tithe?


Freewill giving has always been the standard in the new covenant. Where was tithing introduced for the sustenance of "full time ministers" and "maintenance of the church" in the scriptures?

Bros you have set your mind not to understand but to argue endlessly. I think I have to leave you now.

Liverpool vs Manchester United coming up.

Cheers.

OkCornel:
What you have said here thus far contradicts what you mentioned earlier, that tithes are not meant to be given to the poor and needy.

Please check what you said earlier and confirm with Deuteronomy 14 v 28-29
28 “At the end of every three years you shall bring out all the tithe of your produce in the same year and lay it up within your towns. 29 And the Levite, because he has no portion or inheritance with you, and the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow, who are within your towns, shall come and eat and be filled, that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands that you do.

It's difficult trying to explain things to you.

Tithes are taken to the house of God. This is the inheritance of the Levites. Every tribe had an inheritance of lands except the Levites so whatever comes into the house of God belongs to the Levites. God gave the instruction that this be done, that this is their portion. That same God also gave the instruction that in as much as He said that tithe be paid to God's house that every third year, the proceeds of that particular year alone be shared amongst LEVITES (whose inheritance it is) first as stated and then to fatherless and widows.

The tithe don't belong to the needy or fatherless since they don't receive it all the time or in the first two years. In the third year, the Levites who owns the tithe still gets it and also extend to the needy as the Lord instructed.

This is done only ONCE in three years. It's a form of intervention program like we have it today.

OkCornel:
I recall tithe was only an obligation for the Jews. Please can you show us where in the scriptures non-Jews were also required to tithe?

If tithe is an obligation for the Christians to obey, then please...of what usefulness is this verse? 2 Corinthians 9 v 7

7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

Bros you don't just pick a verse and base your assertion on it. What did the verses preceeding that say?

Read from the first verse and you'll understand how verse 7 came to be.
2 Corinthians 9 vs 1-7

1 There is no need for me to write to you about this service to the Lord’s people.

2 For I know your eagerness to help, and I have been boasting about it to the Macedonians, telling them that since last year you in Achaia were ready to give; and your enthusiasm has stirred most of them to action.

3 But I am sending the brothers in order that our boasting about you in this matter should not prove hollow, but that you may be ready, as I said you would be.

4 For if any Macedonians come with me and find you unprepared, we—not to say anything about you—would be ashamed of having been so confident.

5 So I thought it necessary to urge the brothers to visit you in advance and finish the arrangements for the generous gift you had promised. Then it will be ready as a generous gift, not as one grudgingly given.

6 Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.

7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

desiredhome:
How come is only tithes that you still practiced from the old law? why not continue with other laws?
even the Mathew 23:23 says why you neglect the important issues and laying more emphasis tithe,

The greatest commandment is LOVE. Where is the love today, how can you be talking of tithes when you don't have love.

First of all, tithing wasn't part of the law given to Moses. It existed before the law came. Abraham was recorded to have paid tithe, Jacob also stated he would pay tithe.

Talking about the old law (Law of Moses) not all the law was thrown away. The OP mentioned some. One of the laws said you don't marry your kin, do you marry your kin today?

Now
Read that verse again

23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

Let's dissect.

You give a tenth (tithe) of your spices

You neglected the more important matters of the law - justice, mercy and faithfulness.

He went further to say "you should practice the latter", what's the latter? Practicing important matters of the law - justice, mercy and faithfulness WITHOUT NEGLECTING the former, what's the former here? The tenth (Tithe). Meaning you don't neglecting the paying of tithe.

Of course the greatest commandment is love
Here's Matthew 22 vs 36-40

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’

38 This is the first and greatest commandment.

39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’

40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Love is not the greatest commandment but rather loving the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind, which is the first and greatest commandment. How do you talk about loving God which is the greatest commandment without obeying his word on paying of tithe according to Malachi?

OkCornel:
Then please elaborate on Deuteronomy 14 v 28 -29; Isn't tithe also meant to be given to the poor, widowed and fatherless?

28 “At the end of every three years you shall bring out all the tithe of your produce in the same year and lay it up within your towns. 29 And the Levite, because he has no portion or inheritance with you, and the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow, who are within your towns, shall come and eat and be filled, that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands that you do.


Why would a Christian be mandated to tithe when Paul clearly stated this in 2 Corinthians 9 v 7?
Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

1) Is there still any obligation on a Christian to tithe?
2) Is monetary tithing commanded by God either in the Old or New Testament?

28 At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year’s produce and store it in your towns, 29 so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the foreigners, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.

Here's another version of the verse.

The practice back then was that after every three years, all the tithes of that particular third year be brought and stored in towns so that the Levites, foreigners, fatherless and others as stated in the verse may come and eat. This practice is done only ONCE very three years. So let me ask you, what happens to the tithe the first two years? The tithe is not given to the poor or fatherless or widows but taken to the house of God as Malachi stated.

The Federal government has been giving out tradermoni to traders and some other help to the poor in the society, these are intervention programs which is being done with tax payers money. That's exactly what's happening in that verse you quoted, after every three years, the tithe (tax) of the produce of that particular third year is given to the Levites, widows, fatherless and foreigners, it's a form of intervention program

And to your other question, like I once stated, there are different types giving in the church, there's offering, there's giving for building of the house of God, there's giving to the needy and poor and these are given as one decides in his/her heart. Tithe on the other hand is an obligation to the house of God which you PAY just like every citizen of a country is obligated to pay tax to the govt. You don't pay your tax as you decide, you pay your tax according to what you earn, so it is with your tithe. You don't decide what you give as tithe, you give a tenth of what God has given you. This is simple.

OkCornel:
If tithing has a place in the new covenant, then what shall we say of 2 Corinthians 9 v 7?

Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.


I don't see Paul making an emphasis on 10% of anything anywhere

Now you're confusing giving to PAYING of tithe. Giving of offering, giving to the poor and needy is as you will in your heart. Tithe is not yours, you don't give it, you PAY it. Just like you PAY your tax to govt, tax isn't your money to keep, it is compulsory and mandatory you pay it. So it is with tithe.

Mind you, no pastor has the right to force you to pay your tithe, they can only teach you and remind you of your obligation to the house of God, the Spirit of God within you is the one to compel you to do the needful.

paxonel:
how does this concern us in the new covenant?
Was abraham and melchizedek in the new covenant?

If you say melchizedek was Jesus christ did melchizedek brought salvation to aabraham in the old testament like we have salvation through christ today?

These are the questions one should ask.

Remember the parable of jesus the axe has huend the tree?
This means God is done with the old covenant and it laws which include tithing.

There is time for everything.

There was time for tithing(old testament era), now it is time for salvation ,so there is no point taking us or God back again to What has already past.

Put it this way, thing was another religion entirely different from christianity and that religion was judaism (religion of the jews)
Therefore let no jew force you to practice their laws because you are gentile by birth, lets say the truth.

Even today jews dont know anything about this tithing you people are now putting on your head that is becoming a problem to the church today

Of course that concerns us in the New Testament. Go read Hebrew 7. After reading then we can discuss.

Tithing existed before the law of Moses. Some on the laws of Moses were put to stop in the New Testament like the OP said, Matthew 23:23 also confirmed that Jesus still approved the paying of tithe.

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TheGreenLand:
He is afraid that the Sherrifs from America will be there.

What sheriff? You mean the body odour and lifeless person?

Karatum:
This is being partial

Even sowore the noise maker is not invited

The thing weak me sef

Hmm but Atiku why didn't you go like others did?

With barely 70 days to the 2019 general elections, Ivotesng can report authoritatively that no cash has been released to the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC), a situation which has made it difficult for the Commission to redeem commitments to vendors

Ivotesng reports that President Buhari had on Friday withheld assent to the electoral act amendment bill which would have allowed the Commission deploy modern ICT gadgets to curtail incidences of rigging.

But more worrisome, Ivotesng gathered is that the commission has been starved of required funds to enable it prepare appropriately for the poll.

It was gathered that the back and forth over where the cash meant for the 2019 election will come from has delayed the release.

“Following the insistence of the National Assembly that the funds should come from parts of the SIP , the govt is finding it difficult raising the needed funds,” a presidency source told Ivotesng.

The source said though President Buhari has given approval for the funds to be raised but the bureaucracy that is involved is taking too long .

“the approval took over two weeks on the table of permanent secretary in charge of finance. So far, no cash has been wired to INEC,” the source confirmed.

http://www.ivotesng.com/2018/12/09/2019-funds-yet-to-be-released-to-inec-two-months-to-election/

Always found supporting the wrong cause.

Patrioticman007:
We are talking about the reduction of loss to human life due to scare resources called land. Where ever a human life is saved we thank Allah, not blame the devil for not allowing an innocent soul die. In summary you must be an agent of Lucifer for castigating Federal Government for doing its constitutional duty of protecting lives & properties. Wailers no get joy.

Did you say scarce resources called land? The north has the highest share of the total landmass in Nigeria so which scarce land are you talking about?

netpro:
Nobody is taking anybody's land. In case you don't know FG have land in many places. Moreover lands can be bought from communities and owners that are interested in selling. Just like one can buy and setup a factory or Industries.

The so called FG land belong to the indigenous people of the state they're located before it became FG land. The FG land is the collective resource of the people of Nigeria and you don't hand it over to a certain group. We know those who are predominantly herders and these land will be going to them. If they want cattle ranch then it should be situated in the North.

clarocuzioo:
PDP always have a way of settling their internal issues maturedly.

Unlike some other party that won't let us rest from their squabble.

netpro:
https://i2.wp.com/www.icirnigeria.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Skoto-State%E2%80%99s-N3-billion-modern-cattle-ranch-to-take-off-May.jpg

Setting up Ranches will help reduce the Nomadic rearing of cows. PDP tried to demonize it to score political points. Even individuals can setup private ranches. It is a profitable business.

No one is saying it isn't a profitable business but FG can't take land belonging to a state in the name of FG land and give it out to herders. Trust me it's going to be really resisted.

Legalese:
Lol Think about this. "he went there to see a relative who was ill" does that make much sense? Remember when the service chiefs attended the Apc's launch of the next level program and they later claimed that they did not know it was a political event? This is the same kind of goofing by Magu. He got caught in the act of being partisan, which he has shown by recent actions, he Is now just trying to clean up the mess and channels TV has to comply or the govt would come for them. Think.

This act by Channels TV further give credence to the rumor that they were paid 19 billion to promote and protect the interest of Buhari and APC.

aalangel:
As aa BroadcastJournalist, I must say this is a cover-up by Channels. The non-linear editor put the clip in error, fine...so when the reporter was vetting her story after the editing, she didn't see Magu, right? Then from her hands to the Producer and even Head of News, they didn't see Magu, right?

Hmmm...this is not right at all...Is Channels making mockery of Journalism?

You actually saw through their evil scheme and cover up.

seunmsg:
I am not impressed. Mr Momoh should name the editor and sack him immediately. Fake news is a serious threat to our democracy and channels should not be seen deliberately editing video clips to misled the public.

You believed Magu was edited into the video and that he was not actually at the event?

thatigboman:
This story has serious K-Leg. Magu was there. Let the truth be said for once.

It appears Magu was there but Channels TV is trying to cover it up by claiming that their video editor mistakenly doctored him into the video.

Channels TV keep showing how partisan they've become. No more credibility. Smh

This act by Channels TV further give credence to the rumor that they were paid 19 billion to promote and protect the interest of Buhari and APC.

A Channels Television broadcast showing Ibrahim Magu, the acting head of the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission, attending a political event to strategise toward President Muhammadu Buhari’s re-election was an editing mistake by one of the broadcaster’s video editors, the station’s chairman and founder, John Momoh, has told PREMIUM TIMES.

Mr Magu was depicted as having been a part of the consultative meeting organised by the National Committee of Buhari Support Groups at Nicon Luxury, Abuja, during the 10:00 p.m. bulletin of the Lagos-based broadcaster. PREMIUM TIMES ran a story based on the video which ran on Wednesday night.

Also at the meeting as broadcast by Channels were Vice President Yemi Osinbajo and Bola Tinubu. Mr Osinbajo represented Mr Buhari, who has been away in Europe for a climate change summit.

But following protests from Mr Magu and his associates that the anti-graft chief was not present at the event, which would have portrayed him as a partisan law enforcement agent, Mr. Momoh has now admitted to PREMIUM TIMES that Mr Magu was in fact absent at the event, but that a mix-up in visuals by an editor triggered the wrong impression.

Mr Momoh, who is currently travelling abroad, said he reached out to the reporter who filed the story, and she narrated what transpired.

She said as soon as she returned from the APC event, she handed over her recording to an editor who then erroneously added an old footage of Mr Magu, leading viewers to believe the EFCC official was present at the APC event.

Mr Momoh told PREMIUM TIMES his company would be reaching out to Mr Magu to explain the editing glitch that occured and apologise for the inconveniences the error may have caused him.

PREMIUM TIMES also reported that some persons said they saw Mr Magu at Nicon Luxury Hotel venue of the event, but a spokesperson for the anti-graft chief said this might have been earlier on Tuesday when he visited a relative who was staying at the hotel.

“The only thing he went to Nicon Luxury for was to see his relative, and he immediately left for Lagos where he met with some newspaper editors,” EFCC spokesperson, Tony Orilade, told PREMIUM TIMES Wednesday afternoon. “He left for Lagos around 9:00 a.m. on Tuesday after going to Nicon Luxury to see a relative who was ill.”

Reacting to the publication Wednesday night, PREMIUM TIMES’ Editor-in-Chief, Musikilu Mojeed, said CHANNELS has for years been one of the most credible sources of news in our country.

“This unfortunate error teaches us that news organisations must consistently strengthen and review their gatekeeping process,” Mr. Mojeed said. “However, newsroom managers are human and errors are bound to occasionally occur no matter how careful they try to be.”

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/299378-video-showing-efccs-ibrahim-magu-at-apc-event-an-error-channels-tv.html

Alexis11:
PDP


NEVER AGAIN

But you would rather we continued with the 2 men Aisha talked about, right?

annnikky:
I think she's tired of the secrecy going on in aso rock thats why she's voicing out so Is high time Nigerians take her words serious for the betterment of the con3 cos those cabals dnt care what happens to Nigerians as long as they're the ones giving the order

Exactly and also loot as much as they can while they're in power. I can only imagine the atrocities going on there.

annnikky:
For their selfish interest they want to be in control of Nigeria for another four years even osunbade is scared and playing along with them for fear of indictment, the blind and deaf supporters doesn't see anything wrong with it... Smh

It's just crazy. This thing coming from Aisha shouldn't be taken lightly at all but what do we have, like you said, bunch of selfish set of people and brain dead followers who can't think for themselves.

After watching the video on Aisha Buhari's revelation of 2 or 3 men running Nigeria, why are people still hellbent on voting for Buhari again?

Let's all agree that Buhari is a man of integrity like you all want us to accept, Aisha (Buhari's wife) has, a number of times, come out to tell Nigerians that her husband Buhari is not in charge of the country, why do APC supporters want these men to continue running the country? Why always turning deaf ears to the cry of Aisha Buhari?


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somehow:
And you think only southerners know the value of money? what can #10 buy ANYWHERE IN NIGERIA? Make we dey use our senses na!

That it can't buy anything in the south doesn't mean it can't buy anything in the North.

Afamed:
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Ok

swaggzDawg:
This doesn't even make any sense....

Of course it makes sense. From the poor Northerners and almajiri kids with pvc

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