₦airaland Forum

leokid866:
lol.....the British Royal family and church were at a point in time the biggest drug barons in the world.....they even went to war with China over it, but If they ask you to come to the UK to see the queen your brain will not remember that part.....

In your mind now, you have made sense!
Does the queen of England lead the people? Is the queen an administrator? Does the royal family determine political happenings in Britain?

The queen is a ceremonial figure.

Quality20:
while his real(private ) is 66

Verify facts before you argue.

Monogamy:
So in the whole USA, na only Trump and Biden be the most qualified for the POTUS?

Isn't it clear that only weight won't cut it as evident in Trump's second term campaign vs Joe Biden?

Trump had all it took, yet lost to Biden.

Tinubu is a fine politician and an enigma and master strategist. But age is catching up with him fast, which is natural. He will be 72 years by 2023. He is beginning to show signs of a man whose body is failing him. All some of us are saying is that, we can simply avoid the repeat of Buhari's health episodes.

Since you clamour for a South-Western president, why not push for younger sons of the South-West, like PYO, BRF, AA, and then rally around such a person?

I said here before, there are kings and there are kingmakers. Don't you think Tinubu's best fit as a kingmaker at this point?

I need you to reasonably engage me, so others will learn too. Stop those usual insults and careless comments.

Quality20:
At 66- tinubu is only a young man. This writer from Atlanta would have claimed that tinubu is too old ,but then the writer's principal Atiku is older than tinubu

Actually, Tinubu's official age is 69. Just thought you should know.

Monogamy:
Yeah, and who is your region leader?

Him weight reach Tinubu's own?

So presidency should be based on "weight" instead of merit? Interesting!

blackpanda:
Bad belle lubbish

If u say u don't want Tinubu, then be ready for continuation of fulani rule. Dimwits

Why not dispute any point mentioned above with a valid rebuttal?

JohnBullMySon:
Lol, that's 1500s. Things like this can never happen again. if you attempt it. get ready to face hot Ak47 rounds. Few years back, Egypt tried something similar and hundreds paid with their life.

Yes, hundreds paid with their lives, but the needed change was achieved.

Mubarak had ruled for 29 years and the Egyptians were frustrated and tired. They marched out in their numbers in 2011. Mubarak was forced to resign. Mohammed Morsi was elected and he didn't meet the people's expectations, Egyptians hit the streets again, after just one year in office and Morsi was removed. Change comes with a price.

It is either them or us.

Trustedpronet:
Because of Small oversight you are calling him olodo. Social media is really working on guys brains. Go and Check Tinubu's profile...you will wish to have an intelligent father like him.

Everyone, just like everything, has a saturation point.
No one can ever deny the fact that Tinubu is an enigma and fine politician. But he is getting old and by 2023, he would be 72 years old, same age Buhari was when he contested for president. Do you see the correlation now?

We can do better. No one cheats nature. If old age catches up, there is just so much you can do. Your mind may conceive good plans but you body and health would fail you. This is natural.

Why don't we just avoid that totally? Should we relive Buhari's scenery all over again?
Note that Buhari was a soldier, yet at 72, we could visibly see signs of old age. What should we expect from a 72 years old civilian?

They are kings and they are kingmakers. Tinubu is best fit as a kingmaker at this point.

MurderX:
He was reading from a script with errors. The error is from the script and he realised it was an error after reading, anybody can make that mistake. He probably corrected himself but that part of the video was intentionally cut.

Your logic is obviously flawed here. Tinubu knows the Osinbajos by names, courtesy of their closeness. Even if he was reading from a script, the moment he mentioned Dolapo, automatically, he would revert to the information in his brain not the paper. It could only be so, if he didn't know them in person.

It's funny how people want a 72 years old to be president, same year Buhari was when he contested. He would be 80 years in his second term. We are planning to relive Buhari's drama all over again.

Sunday2021:
I hope you are clapping for general TY Danjuma for what he did to ironsi.
Jonathan never appointed a northerner as chief of army staff through out his 6yrs.
Jonathan even appointed a man from the same state with him as chief of army staff, but buhari has never appointed one person from his state (katsina) as one of the service chiefs.
There are more than 300 tribes in Nigeria, why is it that anytime an igbo man is not appointed then we start hearing the so called "nepotism"
No matter what buhari do the igbos, they will never like him. For your information, the present igp is not a Fulani man.

GEJ appointed three successive police IGPs from the North. And the issue at hand is about police IGPs.

EbenezerTriumph:
city that won't even make it in this quarter final?

I will remind you of this comment.
#naysayers

Pacesetter123:
See ur mouth like "Defender Referee" !!

Jazzman01:
Yeah, stupid ref. But let's be candid, Porto didn't play anything tonight. I wonder how they were able to knock out Juve with this lackluster performance they put up today. Each time they win the ball, they don't know what to do with it. maybe their game plan was to play nil-nil.

Their plan was to frustrate Chelsea and end the game without conceding. But they lacked the technicality to hold on to the ball for that to happen.
They performed below average. However, the referee's poor officiating dampened their spirit. I guess they gave up even before it was over.

Randy100:
say it without crying.

I just did. Or, do you yearn for cries? Just remember Nigeria's situation. Better still, your bank account balance would do it for you.

byrron:
I well ooo and that's my true annual ophthalmology report for year 2021 thats why I said it's been consistent, no jokes.

Cheers

We are in April of 2021. Or you meant report for 2020!

NorthernSerene:
Yeah, you saw that too?

It's so obvious!

byrron:
20/20 vision and it has been very consistent

Hahahaha.
You no well, I swear!

byrron:
You having double vision?

Nope, Night vision. You?

It's unfortunate that FC Porto are playing against a 13 man Chelsea.
Well done, defender referee.

Entayali:
hope you know that dortmund can shock you in 2nd leg.

We're not Buhari, can't be shocked.
Do you remember when last City did not score in a match?

Stupid Porto.
See cheap una concede

Goal!
City will have an easy ride to final after all!

Power is transient.

Buhari should know that this is not Cameroon, he will step down someday.
Malami should remember that this is not Libya, Nigerians will vote again, 2023.
Garba Shehu should have it at the back of his mind that his media job is not with CNN, thus, is not permanent.

Lauretta Onuoche should get ready to go into palm wine drinking full time.

Nothing last forever.

Neutralobserver:
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Well, you beleived in his comment that there was no subsidy....so



In Benin, fuel costs N318, Niger N370, and Cameroon N418. As a result, smugglers are takiong advantage of the price differential to suggle fuel across the broder. Has been going on for over ten years....and as a result, we import far more fuel than we need...which wastes our foreign reserves in these ways

1.We over import because smugglers buy our subsidsed fuel, lie about where it is going to, and then

2.We over subsidise fuel that won't be sold here.

The only way to stop the smugglers completely is to stop subsidsing fuel. Other methods have failed. Incluiding closing the border..

Plus, we don't have excess oil....we produce just about the same amount of oil as the UAE, yet because we have 20 times the population of the UAE, we cannot have the same level of life as the UAE.

Either we cut off 150 million Nigerians , or we accept we are not rich enough.



I should have been more sepcific

Venezuela owns an oil company called CITIGO....which operates freely in the USA. Now isn't that interesting....(Sanctions prevent them from reaping the financial beneifts in Venezuela...it does not stop them from operating there)

Plus, I proved to you that if people are being 'punished' for buying Venezuelan oil...how come China, Russia and Cuba buy oil from Venezuela?

Now...I understand you think we should be spending money on subsidisng fuel. But we cannot. We spend N1 trillion annually subsidsing fuel. Educaiton does not get that much.

I supported GEJ's decision to remove subsidy, but Buhari and the rest opposed it. They now turned around and want to remove same thing they were against? Mbanu.
Let it be 1:1 GEJ failed to removed subsidy, Bubari too failed. When a new government entirely comes up by 2023, we may then review its policies and support to remove subsidy. For now, let's maintain status quo.

We can't trust that removal of subsidy benefits an average Nigerian on the street. If the government can't do well with all the loans they already collected and wasted, why should we agree to suffer for them to continue to feed fat? Instead, let the subsidized price remain, that is the only way an average man benefits from the "national cake".
I hope you get my point now.

Neutralobserver:
Okay



Which is why I didn't vote for him or support him, or beleive him when he said there was no subsidy. You on the other hand chose to beleive him and vote for him because N40 fuel was so alluring to you.





Nope, Venezuela is free to supply crude to china and russia and cuba, for example. They also sell oil in the US via Citigo oil....plus the smugglig happens because the smugglers make a lot of money

To stop the smuggling, Maduro their leader removed subsides partally over a year ago. The issue was to make it unattractive to smuggliers to smuggle fuel to countries like colombia...

You obviously don't understand how a subsidy works....no wonder you beleived Bubu so easily.



We need, for example according to the ASUU-FG agreement of 2009, 3 TRILLION naira over 2 years in extra funding for universites...money that has not been paid because subsiidy, among other things

Yes corruptiuon is affecting the money, but it is too small to begin with. We need a larger amount of money than we are spending right now on education, health, etc. Saying that does not mean I excuse government corruption or mismanagement.


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Yeah...there are many reasons not to vote for APC. Or PDP. So, go ask his supporters how their leader spends the cash, not me.

The corruption in APC is bad. Lord knows that's why I don't back them



Niger, Benin, and Togo spend above N300-400 per liter of fuel. Cameroon spends N418 PER LITER. These costs can be verified online.



And Angola and ALGERIA HAVE LESS than 50 million people each...while we have 200 million people...so they have more cash to spend subsidisng fuel. We have far more people than they do.

Our large peopulaiton is one of many reasons why we cannot just live on oil alone....and why your APC has failed in their promised diversificaiton.




Do you expect a FAMILY of ten to eat the same as a family of three , on the same income?



And Niger runs its refineries on profit...so they have the money to pay for refinery repair.

Plus Canada produces far more oil than we do, yet oil costs over N300 there.



That because we have been selling fuel below the produiction price, we cannot run our refionereis profitably....hece they have fallen into a mess.



Name them. I',m waiting.

You kept saying, ''your APC, your party, you voted for Buhari''. First of all, I am not in Nigeria, I couldn't possible have voted for him. Secondly, my comments should tell you that I am not a supporter of Buhari, never have been and never would be.

When we talk of oil and you keep bringing Benin, Niger and Togo. Nigeria has 20x Benin oil, do you expect Nigerians to pay equivalent amount for fuel like Benin, Cameroon and the rest? Being that Nigeria's production in a day is more than 30x theirs. We have excess oil, therefore, we must pay less. I can't be a yam farmer and continually buy pounded at a very expensive price.

It is a very big fat lie that U.S still buys oil from Venezuela. You were obviously talking about the old ways. Since the sanctions, Venezuela's export has collapse, thus, the need to source for other buyers, behind US back. You are not current.

''HOW DO U.S. SANCTIONS AFFECT THE SECTOR?
The January sanctions prevented U.S. companies from dealing with PDVSA, and a clause that became effective in April blocked PDVSA from operating in the U.S. financial system.

The asset freeze announced in early August threatens sanctions against any company deemed by Washington to be “materially assisting” Venezuela’s government.

While the January sanctions included similar language, U.S. national security adviser John Bolton last week said the new round gave companies a choice between doing business with Maduro or the United States. That has spooked PDVSA’s joint venture partners and customers, who are seeking clarity on the measure, sources said.

WHAT ABOUT U.S. IMPORTS?
U.S. imports of Venezuelan crude have collapsed to zero in the wake of sanctions. In the week ended Jan. 25, just before sanctions were announced, U.S. refineries imported 587,000 bpd.'' - Reuters

Neutralobserver:
Well, presumably it is better to sell a functional refinery, rather than a non-functional one.


Who will buy the scrap? Would you?



Buhari said there was no subsidy because he did not understand how a subsidy worked, plus he was playing poltics.(And since i had some understanding of how a subsidy worked at the time, I did not believe his comment )

Basically, a subsidy works in this way....we sell fuel below the cost of its production per liter...and pay a subsidy...the difference between what it costs to produce fuel, and what we sell it at, ...to the market. In priniciple...since the subsidy was introduced in the late 1980's...this meant that refinereis could not operate at a profit...which led to them not having enough cash over the years to be maintained properly....and that is why they are a mess now..



Well, all our neighbouring African countries, including the oil produicers, pay above n300 per liter of fuel at the pump...meaning that cuntries like Niger are able to keep their refinery running to the point where they can export...because they make enough of a profit to keep it running.

Petrol is expensive. And before you abuse me....I don';t like the fact it is expensive. But thanks to decades of keeping prices of petrol artifically low...we have bad refineries, we spend more money subsidising fuel than we do on educaiton and health, and we also lose billions to smuglling of our cheap fuel to all our neighbours...right now we are subsidsing fuel for other african countires. Removing subsidy will end that problem...and give us functional refineries.

See Venezuela. That country sells fuel at N40 per liter...and they lose 18 billion dollars annually to smuggling.



And you believed him? You believed the word of a school cert holder who did not know what he was talking about? Sigh.

Let me begin from your submission and last paragraph.

Ever heard the saying " you can't build something on nothing?"
If you advise me not to believe "the word of a school cert holder who did not know what he was talking about", how then do you expect me to believe him now that he wants to remove the same subsidy he never knew existed? Isn't that foolishness, stupidity and double standards? If I can't trust an aspiring president at the time, who had consistently contested for president from the 2000s, one who had been the head of state in the 1980s where, as you mentioned, subsidy was introduced and had been PTF Chairman under Abacha to know about subsidy, how do you expect me to trust him now to successfully remove subsidy? You can't build something on nothing my friend.

Venezuela "smuggle" fuel because of the sanctions placed against them by the US. The US punishes anybody that legally buys fuel from them. Heard the case of Saad arrested in Cape Verde? So, never compare Venezuela's case with Nigeria.

You talked about wasting money that was supposed to be used for education and the rest on subsidy. The money appropriated to the various ministries are they being accounted for?

In the last five years, the Aso Rock clinic alone has received N10 billion, more than all teaching hospitals in the country combined, Google it, the facts are there. Yet, the president is currently in London for "check-ups". N10b could not fix a standard hospital for the president to use. I believe that removal of subsidy is the best thing to do, I and many other Nigerians don't just trust Buhari and his 40 thieves to do it.

When you say "all our neighbouring countries, including the oil producing countries pay above n300 for fuel" what do you mean by that?

Nigeria is the largest oil producing country in Africa, with an average of 1.9 million barrels per day.

Nigeria is followed by Angola. A litre of fuel in Angola is 160 AOA, that's equivalent to N96.83.

Followed by Algeria. A litre of fuel in Algeria is 45 dinar, equivalent to N132.

Did you see that, though Nigeria produces even more than the rest, our current price is still higher?
The other African countries you mentioned have no oil. The Niger you mentioned produces only 13,000 barrels per day as against Nigeria's 1.9 million barrels.

In economics, when the supply is high, the price goes down. Nigeria supplies the highest in African, yet, sell the most expensive among all oil producing countries in Africa.
What are you even saying bros

And yes, people had started bidding for the "scrap" to buy before this scam of repairs was introduced.

Neutralobserver:
So what do you think they should do with the refinery?

Should they leave it as it is? Or sell it...which means they have to find a buyer who would pay money for something that after buying it needs to be fixed? (Like selling a broken down car to someone who has to pay money for the car plus pay money for fixing)

Plus we would have had more money for schools and so on if we hadn't subsided fuel to the point where we spend more on subsidy than we do on education....plus subsidy means that over time the refienreis cannot work well because they don't make enough of a profit to do so...thanks to artrifically low prices brought about by subsidy.

I'm very sure you have not been following this story from when it broke.
The government is not "fixing" the refinery to use, NO, they want to repair it at $1.5 billion dollars and then sell it. That's what we all are angry about. Why spend money to repair the dead metals before sale?
Why not keep the money, sell the scrap for whatever amount you can sell and add to this amount you want to spend, then use it to start a.new one? Haven't you heard about the the bird in hand worth millions in the bush? Knowing the kind of country we have, the contractors would most definitely abandon the project, after the $1.5 billion dollars have been appropriated. Isn't that waste of resources?

Please don't start me with that subsidy stuff. I remember back in 2012 when the previous government, advised by the current WTO Chairman wanted to remove subsidy, Buhari said there is nothing called subsidy. The videos are out there for everyone to see. Therefore, you can't claim to be removing what doesn't exist.

Heck, even if subsidy did exist, how do you hope to further impoverished the common man when all politicians get fuel for free? How can the common man benefit from the corruption going on?

In Buhari's word, "anybody that tells you that he is removing subsidy, it is praud, nothing like subsidy"

They still went ahead with this kangaroo repairs!

And you wonder why the people are revolting?
You can't keep pressing them down and expect them not to scream. They scream only how they know best. Some may feel it would be loudest to scream at police stations and correctional facilities.

You steal from the masses and send your kids to better schools abroad, positioning them to take up juicy positions of authority in the government or government agencies.

Na ogun go kee allof una there!

"It is easy to take peace for granted, but we need not learn the value of peace through the horrible crucible of war.”

Very salient point made there, Mr. Ambassador of Peace.
However, the absence of war or conflict is never peace.
You keep pushing people to the wall, making divisive statements like 97% - 5%, making lopsided appointments, yet expect people to bow in adoration and praise, that would mean taking over the jobs of resident BMCs.

No country ever wins a war against her own citizens, no single one. Take Egypt for instance, Mubarak ruled for more than 29 years. He kept pushing the people until Egyptians said enough was enough. They protested and Mubarak finally resigned. Mohammed Morsi came in and started with his Muslim brotherhood stuff, he was removed by the people after just one year in office.
Never ever underestimate the actions of wounded and deprived people.

It is high time you sat down with all relevant stakeholders and negotiate the future of Nigeria. You don't expect to crush the people you hope to lead. Who then would you be leading if all followers with dissenting opinions were crushed?


Opinion:
If you won't accept a true decentralization, let there be referendum.
But if that is none negotiable either, then revisit the 2014 Confab and extract the opinions of hundreds of Nigerians that would help to shape things.

If you still do not trust the "GEJ Confab", call for a new national conference and dialogue.
Nigeria's current problem can NEVER be solved by brute force as you all are thinking.
I repeat, no Nation ever wins a war of force against her citizens.

slyfoxxjoe:
@IamNumeroUno Can you see??

I can see my brother.

Our argument was a big misunderstanding after all.
I knew what you were saying was right, I thought you were a "zombie " I thought I should stretch your reasoning a bit.
Big ups man, no hard feelings.

They are just confused.
Atiku was born in a town that was previously in the British Cameroon. But has now been seceded to Nigeria and is in the present day Adamawa state. What citizenship is he entitled to?
British, Cameroonian or Nigerian?

Anybody were buy okrika see dollars inside, make e return am to the previous owner since nobi him put am.
#Sia.

Difrent:
You people think everyone has collective amnesia abi......you only shout and wail when things don't favour you......Obj used 4 consecutive Southerners as IGP it's okay but if Buhari do the same he has become nepoatic .......the internet never forget if mortals do

Why jump over GEJ and Yar'dua to cite OBJ?
You had to go as far as 20 years back.
You should be ashamed that your darling daddy is taking Nigeria backwards by 20 years, a period when Nigeria's democracy was Zero years old.

From 1999, We were just beginning to get accustomed to what democracy truly means. Isn't sad that Buhari is taking us back to Nigeria's democracy formative years?

GEJ, bad as he was alleged to be, appointed three IGPs from the North consecutively, being a Southern person. Aren't we supposed to consolidate on that expression of true federalism and federal character? Do we have to return Nigeria to day one?

Finally, Nigerians accepted that previous governments were "bad" so they overwhelmingly voted in a man who promised them change, change from the status quo. Change from the corruption and the old ways of life. Isn't it foolish to copy the practice that Nigerians wanted to be changed?

In his acceptance speech in 2015, Buhari said "I belong to nobody, because I belong to everybody" do you think that his actions over the years portrays that speech to be true? If no, then do you believe that he is a pathological liar like all the lying machines he has surrounded himself with?

Oh, OBJ appointed three IGPs not four, you dumbo!