Fr. Isaac Patrick Musa

The lies that have been fused together to form the content of security reports by the State government is unveiling. Facts and figures no longer correspond with each other. The chunk of our state’s funds have been embezzled under the guise of security votes. No visible effort has been put in the right direction to win the fight against insecurity in the State, especially in Kajuru Local Government, which is predominantly inhabited by Adara people.

It is no longer news that Kajuru and Chikun Local Government Areas of Kaduna State are now the domicile of Bandits and Terrorists. The state never won and is not winning and there is no hope that it will win the fight against terrorism in these local governments any time soon. These terrorists have succeeded in conquering and establishing their capital in Gwando, Kajuru Local Government, Kaduna State.

I was privileged to work in Idon Gida as a Parish Priest between 2014 to 2017. The Parish is made up of twenty Outstations (Villages). It was divided into four zones for easy administration. Two of these zones are Ungwan Pada Zone, composed of villages like Ungwan Pada, Mokoro Wambai, Mokoro Zankarya, and Ungwan Madaki; and Gwando Zone, similarly made up of Gwando, Barde I and Barde II. Presently, these villages have been conquered and taken over by terrorists. Gwando is said to be the new headquarter of the terrorists in Kajuru Local Government.

These villages never had any stranger or foreigner resident in their land. They do not have social amenities like good access road, clinics, market, primary and secondary schools, to even attract strangers. I used motor bike as the only means of transportation throughout my stay in the parish. At rainy season, their rivers were always filled up to the bream. They usually suspend all businesses and activities that will take them out of their villages when the rains are high. At dry seasons, truck drivers manage to meander their ways to these villages to convey farm produce, and to sale them in the markets at Kachia, Kajuru, Kufana and Kasuwan magani at give away prices.

In one of my previous articles, titled; Kaduna State Government Give us Enough Land to Bury our Priests, which I posted on my Facebook wall on 30th June, 2022, I said; “Bandits and Terrorists have an agenda: to instil fear, conquer territories and extort money forcefully from their victims.” This mechanism has worked in the above places mentioned.

These villages have fertile lands. This people cultivate their lands and barely apply artificial fertilizer to grow their crops. The major crops grown there are groundnut, soya beans, maze, yam, pepper, tomatoes and cotton. The vegetables are grown in all seasons. The people are very hard working, hospitable and generous too. They provided for my welfare through out the course of my sojourn in that place.

It is heart breaking to see that must of the churches we built and furnished have been burnt down. The villages have been sacked. The lands have been taken over by Bandits. Some of them are now refugees in Kachia, Kufana, Kujama, Maraban Rido and other safer places. Recently, bandits visited the rectory in Idon Gida more than three times. But God has spared the life of the priest working there. They never met him in the rectory during any of their visits. They riddled the house with bullets and damaged almost all the facilities in sight. Evidences of their visit are still very visible.

The campaign of conquest that the bandits are unleashing in Kajuru and other parts of Southern Kaduna is real. It is not a folkloric affair. And making this point here is not an exaggeration. The terrorists are gaining more grounds in these parts of the state. These villages mentioned above are about 45mns to 1hr drive (on motor bike) away from the Kaduna-Kachia high way. We have the Army, Navy, and Mobile Police stationed on this high way to create confidence in travellers who ply this road daily. But there is urgent need to go beyond just that.

My people are mere peasant farmers. They practice subsistence farming, using locally fabricated farm implements to cultivate their land. They cannot afford mechanized farming for commercial purpose. Even with the so called Agricultural polices designed by the Federal Government of Nigeria, this people remain out of reach. They are disadvantaged and disenfranchised from the benefits of governmental policies. And what is worse? They cannot defend themselves against these bad guys.

They have been beaten mercilessly, chased out like dogs from their ancestral land. They are hungry, homeless, tired and weak. Their widows, children, aged, disabled and the sick cry in anguish. But to who? Whenever I received a call from some of them and listen to their narrations, I feel very heartbroken. My eyes well up with tears. What a country! Her people have been abandoned to their fate.

The questions I have asked myself are: Does this people have a government that really cares for them? Who is their Local Government Chairman or Counsellor? Who is representing their constituency at the state or federal levels? Are the police and other security agencies not aware of these happenings? Does the scope of the Commissioner for Internal Security of the State not cover their geographical location? Was there any unknown arrangements to allow the bandits to settle in these affected areas? What else can one do in his little way to help out?

I weep and my heart bleeds for my people. The danger of loosing it all is staring them in the face. My people used to be proud of eating from the labour of their hands; but now they have been forced to live by begging arms to eat, to have shelter and to clothe themselves. Where have they erred to deserve this indignity done to them?

If we have a government that really cares for her citizens, I promise you, in no distant time, it will use every force to fight for you. If we have a government that values lives and properties, these bandits would have been living close to the gates of hell by now. I cannot help you either. The little effort I am making over here is to write and expose these evils happening to my people silently and unnoticed by many. Oh God! Our hope is placed on you, please remember your Children and come to their aid.

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Please it’s possible to make a transfer from one university to another for Master program within Nigeria

An Open Response to Reno Omokri on His Attack On the Catholic Church

Dear Reno Omokiri,

Your post of December 18 2019 titled "Some Facts About The First State Sponsored Church", was written under the guise of helping some of your Catholic fans with analysis of the Catholic Church. Because you called lies fact, I have decided to point out your lies and show you what facts really look like.

To adequately do this, I will respond to every paragraph of that post.

First Paragraph From Reno Omokri:

"Some of my Catholic followers have asked me to do an analysis of their church. I find their use of the word ‘our church’ almost ironical because they do not know my history. Not only was I once a Catholic, my mother, and my grandfather were both Catholics. As a matter of fact, the first place Catholicism came to in Nigeria is a place called Ode-Itsekiri, which all true born Itsekiri know as Big Warri. Augustinian Monks set up the first Catholic mission in Nigeria there in 1555. My grandfather was an Olu of Warri. I can trace my bloodline and Catholic origin up to Olu Atuwatse I (AKA Dom Domingos), who in 1648 became the first university graduate in West Africa, as well as the first Christian to be crowned Olu of Warri."

Response:

It is very beautiful that some of your Catholic followers could in sincerity ask you to do an analysis of "their Church." I guess they trusted you so much as one who is knowledgeable in giving a sincere analysis, even though they do not know that the words "sincere analysis" are actually not compatible with you when it comes to the Catholic Church.

You know that it is funny for children to ask a stranger whom they meet on the street to tell them the story of how their mother gave birth to them instead of asking their mother or a relative directly, so you cunningly inserted yourself into the picture as a Catholic with Catholic origin so that your so called analysis will be seen as true. Nice one! This is why you started tracing the history you read up, finding a way to put your father and grandfather and great-grandfather into it. But you forgot something.

The history of how Catholicism first came to Nigeria has nothing to do with your mother and grandfather becoming Catholics. This is because, the missionary activities of the Portuguese in Itsekiri land when they first came as far back as 1555 was highly unsuccessful. It was until 1914 and specifically 1916 that Catholicism took root in Warri through the effort of an Italian and a French priest. We are talking of almost 360 years difference here from 1555 to 1914.

The Olu Atuwatse 1 also known as Dom Domingo whom you mentioned, was actually sent to Portugal by the Portuguese missionary to train as a priest, but he did not meet up with the requirements of being a priest because he got married to a Portuguese woman. He studied at the Portuguese Premiere University of Coimbra from 1600 – 1611. Thus, he became the first African graduate. At his return, he became the seventh Olu Of Warri who reigned from about 1625-1643 AD.

The Catholicism your grandfather and mother got converted into was what was planted around 1914, that was 359 years after the Portuguese missionaries first came to Ode-tsekiri.

So, bringing the story of the first missionary in a bid to do an analysis to your Catholic followers on "their Church" does not say anything other than to make them feel you are credible, when you are not. Also to prove that you are knowledgeable in history, whereas you only succeeded in copying from the book written by Samuel U. Erivwo, Ph.D. on the "History of Christianity In Nigeria: THE URHOBO, THE ISOKO, AND THE ITSEKIRI." A book published in 1979. That is not scholarship my dear pastor Reno Omokri.

The Second, Third, and Fourth Paragraphs

"It is just that I can’t tell my followers the truth about the Catholic Church. I have so many Catholic followers and I do not want to upset them. But what I will say openly, and which you can verify from your priest, is the fact that the Catholic Church does not even pretend to be a Christian church. The Catholic Church is a ROMAN church. The official name of the church is The Holy Roman Catholic Church. Go and investigate this.

"What does the terminology The Holy Roman Catholic Church mean? The word Roman means it is of Ancient Roman origin. The word Catholic means ‘all embracing’. Please check the dictionary, in case I have lied to you.

"The Holy Roman Catholic Church is a Roman Church put together to embrace all the religions of Ancient Rome in one religion as a way of bringing the Roman Empire closer together and prevent it from disintegrating because of the threat posed to it by early Christians, who refused to give up their faith, despite harsh persecution."

Response:

These three paragraphs are just laughable. You really ended up showing so much ignorance.

You were right when you said you cannot tell your followers the truth about the Catholic Church, because you will prefer to tell them lies. That is what you did in that post.

The big question in these paragraphs is centered on The Roman Catholic Church. Why is it called the "Roman" Catholic Church? I still cannot understand how you managed to twist this simple fact about why it is called the Roman Catholic Church. It is so myopic of you.

First, the word Catholic is derived from the Greek adjective καθολικός (katholikos), or Latin 'catholicus' meaning "universal." I can understand why you decided to use "all embracing" to mean Catholic, because you want us to see that the Catholic Church was primary established to embrace all the religions of ancient Rome. But you were not very smart. I will show you why.

When the word "Catholic" is not used in the ecclesiastical sense, it can still mean, all-embracing, of general interest, liberal, having broad interests, or wide sympathies, or inclusive. Someone can even look at a large crowd and say, "this crowd is Catholic", just to mean that the crowd is much.

Again, St Ignatius of Antioch is credited to have been the first to used the word "Catholic" far back in 110AD in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans. Remind me again when Rome came into the picture in the Catholic Church? 313 AD. The church has been called "Catholic" for more than 200 years even before it was adopted as state religion in Rome. It was not called Catholic because it aimed at embracing all the religions in Rome, it was called Catholic because it is universal. St Ignatius of Antioch did not even conceive or thought of Rome as we know it today before he called the church Catholic. How do you write lies and still sleep at night?

Now to the big question in those paragraphs: Why is the church called Roman Catholic?

We all know that the Catholic Church is made up of the Western rite/Latin rite and the Eastern rite/ Orthodox rite. The Nigeria church belongs to the Western rite. The term "Roman" catholic is used to refer to the Latin or Western rite as different from eastern or othordox rites.

The term Roman Catholic was used mainly by English-speaking Protestants. It was part of their attempt to portray the pope as the leader of just a faction of Christianity, as if he was the same as the monarch of England, who was the head of the Anglican community.

As with many terms that start out as an insult but later are embraced and adopted by the group they were aimed at, Catholics in the West over time have used the term to show their union with the Holy Father.

However, the more accurate title is the Latin Church, whereas the Roman Church technically refers to the diocese of Rome.

Is this too difficult to understand?

The Fifth Paragraph

"Many of the practices of the The Holy Roman Catholic Church are pagan practices from Roman religions. Mathew 23:9 says “call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven”, yet, you call Catholic priests, Father. Why? Because the origin was with Ancient Roman religions were they called the priests Father. The Pope is himself called ‘Holy Father’ in contravention of Matthew 23:9. We have only One Holy Father, as Matthew 23:9 teaches. Even the word Pope means Father (it originates from the Greek word Pappas, which means Father)."

Response:

I can't believe this was even written by you Mr Reno. When you hate people for just no reason, you will even begin to advance arguments that are directly against you.

Ask Reno, do his children call him Daddy? Do they refer to him as Father? Ask Pentecostals, do they call their pastors Daddy? Do they refer to the wife of their pastors as Mummy? Now to all of us, how many of us call the man that gave birth to us Father, how many of us call the woman that gave birth to us mother?

So remember, the bible says "call NO MAN your father upon the earth." Matt 23:9.

So why do we still call people father or teacher?

This is what I usually say to you all, knowing bible is not about quoting every passage. People do harm to the bible anytime they quote a verse out of its context. Biblical interpretation and exegesis demand a lot. You must be able to understand the passage in its original language, its context, its audience, author, when was it written, even the culture at that time. If not, you will fail. And Omokri, with all his acclaimed titles has not only failed, but woefully.

We cannot interpret Matthew 23:9 as prohibiting reference to dads or priests as "fathers" without contradicting other scriptural passages in which the word "father" is used. Such an interpretation would render the commandment "honor your father" meaningless and would diminish the authority of the apostles and their successors.

There is a deeper meaning to what Christ was teaching, and the context if we read the entire passage, we will see that it is not merely literal. Jesus was simply addressing the hypocrisy of the scribes and Pharisees and why we should not call them "father" in the same sense that we call God 'Father'.

The sixth Paragraph

"1 Timothy 4:3 warned that religions will come later that “forbid people to marry”. Your Catholic priests do not marry, not because of Scripture, but because the priests of Ancient Rome were largely eunuchs, so they could be no threat to Caesar’s power. They claim Peter was the first Pope. Not only is that false, but the fact is that Peter was married. “When Jesus came into Peter's house, he saw Peter's mother-in-law”-Matthew 8:14."

Response:

We fall back again to the age old argument of why Priests don't marry. According to Reno "Your Catholic priests do not marry, NOT BECAUSE OF SCRIPTURE, but because the priests of Ancient Rome were largely eunuchs, so they could be no threat to Caesar’s power."

LIE! A BIG LIE!

I take myself as an example. I am not married as a priest and that is because of the Kingdom of God following the words of Christ in Matthew 19:12:

"Some are born as eunuchs, some have been made eunuchs by others, and some CHOOSE NOT TO MARRY FOR THE SAKE OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. Let anyone accept this who can.”

Then even St Paul that you quoted in 1 Timothy 4:3 that he warned of the religion that will come later and forbid people from marrying, was still the same St Paul that wrote 1 Corinthians 7:7-8 addressing the unmarried to remain unmarried like himself.

"For I would prefer it if you were all like myself. But each person has his proper gift from God: one in this way, yet another in that way. But I say to the unmarried and to widows: It is good for them, if they would remain as they are, just as I also am."

What do you make of what St Paul said in 1 Corinthians and what he said to Timothy juxtaposing it with his own unmarried state?

What is the point of all these? Simple, every scripture must be understood in its context. I have said this Before. The bible must be understood wholly, when interpreting scripture, one verse should not contradict another especially if it was said by same author.

But I understand, you cannot see this because of your hatred for the Catholic Church. To you, everything must be interpreted into pagan and it appears that giving the church a bad name makes you excited.

By the way, Peter is seen as the first Pope because Christ gave him the keys of the church and made him the head (Matthew 16:18- 19.) It is not about his marital status. Being married is inconsequential here. There was a time that priests, bishops were marrying in the Catholic Church. Even Catholic priests of the Eastern rites are allowed to marry. And if tomorrow the Catholic Church of the Western rite (the Roman Catholic) decides that her priests will be marrying, it does not affect the validity of the sacraments they celebrate.

So pastor Reno or whatever name you like to be called, why are you so paranoid?

Concluding Paragraphs

Your last paragraphs are about the use of images and the honour Catholics give to Mary. These arguments are not new. We have said it many times, Catholics do not worship Mary or any image. Now the question they now ask is, why do we have those images? Yet when I wrote against taking pictures of people to Shiloh for prayers, it was the same people that attacked me that those pictures are meant to help them connect. Then I gave up. Are we not all doing the same thing? Can't we see that as humans, we necessarily need images to connect? Even if you don't have a physical image, people still carry images of how God look like in their head, how Angels look like, how heaven look like.

Reno Omokiri is one writer I don't take all his words seriously. When he hates you, he is never objective. I do not sincerely fancy him. But if anyone must read him, ensure you have a filter in your head to sieve out the lies from the facts.

Written by Fr Kelvin Ugwu MSP

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Nonsense verify me

at the end we will be mad, not that our friends gain employed but cos the were friendenemy......... is appalling some state command gave some persons APL a week before induction end and were ask to join those rounding up

[/code]NOTE. there were no mistake on their APL dont even think that they are are ones with mistake. [code]

Taraba state command guys should go and comfirm my claims. What is remaining is for them to be captured.............. Those that recently finish induction are not telling us the truth.

at the end there is always a job for every one

Congratulation to Gombe States applicant
salary is not bad atal from d APL

WhatsApp link to join group

otuekong1:
Why not follow the confirmation link that was sent to your mail

tnkx buddy

Please someone should help a brother with acknowledgment slip my phone crash

Any update about DSS recruitment, someone called me this morning how true it's?

What is next?
When is training commencing?
It's going to take long as usual?

And many more questions running down through one curious mind

uccytaheer:
I heard this weekend massage will start dropping, so keep ur fingers on desks.

Hope so

Rest in peace sir may the perpetual lights of God shine on u

yanabasee:
I was opportune to check my name on the list....

Am always keen to your update. But now ayam confused na congratulations or try again I will use for you I dunno.

Mbok retype something like message will roll by morrow, check dailies, training start.....

Days are flushing fast and nothing is forth happened.

Training is commencing May/June to end December, let continued getting ourselves useful trying other things.
Main while replacement is on going for space of those that didn't report for previous recruitment.

Hadone:
Security reports revealed their hands in committing the crime, and yet this id i o ts are staging protests seeking for their release. What a nonsense

May same evil befall you and your household.....

Wawa kawai

TEXT OF A SPEECH DELIVERED BY THE COORDINATOR OF COALITION AGAINST KAJURU KILLINGS, REV FR WILLIAMS KAURA ABBA, ON THE OCCASION OF A PEACEFUL PROCESSION, ON TUESDAY MARCH 19, 2019 AT THE UNITY FOUNTAIN, ABUJA

Introduction:
We are a group of men and women, united by our common humanity, from different creeds, tribes and tongues. Saddened by events in our dear state, Kaduna, we have gathered here in Abuja, our nation’s capital, to bring to the attention of fellow citizens and the international community the horrendous attacks on many Adara communities living in Kajuru Local Government Area of Kaduna State by herdsmen militia. The latest death toll of this mindless carnage has already surpassed 130, with several communities reduced to rubbles, and setting the stage for a major humanitarian crisis that has so far displaced no fewer than 10,000 persons now living in four camps.

The issues:
The present spate of killings started on Sunday February 10, 2019 when herdsmen militia, without any form of provocation, attacked Ungwar Barde in Maro ward of Kajuru LGA. In that blistering attack, 10 persons, including a pregnant woman, were killed. To our shock and consternation, not a single word over the killing was issued by the Kaduna State Government. Five days after the attack, exactly on February 15, 2019, Governor Nasir Ahmad El-Rufai, on National Television disclosed that security agencies had recovered bodies of 66 Fulani killed by Adara natives. He was later to increase the death toll to 130.
The governor’s allegations over killings of Fulani is still an allegation that is yet to be proven, as he has neither shown the world the pictures of recovered Fulani corpses nor commenced investigation to prove his allegation. The Kaduna State Police commissioner recently debunked the death toll as announced by the governor, insisting that investigation into Fulani killings is still at “embryonic stage.”
The allegation by el-Rufai over killings of our brothers of Fulani extraction set the stage for reprisal killings and weaved the labyrinth of insecurity over the besieged Adara communities such as we are currently witnessing. Within the space of one month, we have been horror-stricken at the barbaric attacks carried out by these merchants of death against children, men, women, including the aged. Communities have been reduced to rubbles and insecurity now stalks these towns and villages unchallenged.
The existential threat to Adara people is frightening and real, as both the Kaduna State and Federal Government are playing the ostrich to the security need and humanitarian catastrophe pervading the communities. In most of the communities under attacks, the difficult terrains and their locations make the task of reaching them herculean.
This peaceful procession today reveals our commitment to the restoration of peace in not only Adara communities, but other areas of Southern Kaduna and indeed Birnin Gwari now under siege by these criminal elements. We call on fellow Nigerians and the international community to mount pressure on Nigerian government to come to our aid by ending the genocide that is rippling across Adara communities in Kajuru and other areas of Southern Kaduna where there is a resurgence of violence, such as Gerti and Sanga where no fewer than 12 persons have been killed by these rampaging herdsmen militia. Most disturbingly is the fact that while Adara nation mourns, Governor Nasir El Rufai rounded up and put in jail Adara leaders and elder statesmen including the Waziri Adara who's next in the line of seniority in Adara chiefdom on fathom charges.
We cannot remain silent in the face of these gruesome killings and deliberate agenda to annihilate Adara people whose only crime is being natives. The bourgeoning human carnage has the propensity of spreading to other areas of the state if not effectively checkmated. If we must save our shared humanity and salvage what is left of humankind, we need to close ranks and insist on relevant organs of government to perform their obligations without fear or favor.

OUR PRAYERS:
1. Government should, as a matter of urgency, deploy more security forces into these hinterlands, including consistent aerial surveillance to track the terrorists and consequently end the carnage.

2.Government at both Federal and state levels must muster courage and the political will to halt the incursion of these non-state actors. It is our firm belief that powerful retrogressive forces are funding and supporting these well-coordinated militia who come in and strike at our sleepy and peaceful communities and retreat without consequences.

3. Government should provide adequate healthcare for the wounded, food and shelter for the victims. We plead with agencies of government to make haste and intervene in the humanitarian crisis that has displaced over 10,000, with many others admitted for medical treatment in the state. On this note, we want to state unequivocally, that at no time did the communities reject Government's assistance by way of aid or made themselves inaccessible to government agencies.

4. We call on the Federal Government to set up an independent commission of enquiry to probe the Kajuru killings, including exhumation of Fulani corpses, if any, in order to bring perpetrators to justice. We cannot allow killers to turn our once peaceful and thriving villages and towns into trenches of warfare.

5.We reject the politicisation of conflict whether it is in Birnin Gwari, Kajuru or any part of Southern Kaduna. We call for accountability and probity in the handling of the crisis in Kaduna State and urge government to prosecute those who aid and abeit crisis through careless speech of incitement for the purposes of stoking hatred and violence.

6. We demand the immediate release of Adara elders that have unjustly incarcerated. These leaders have committed no crime other than being leaders of an Ethnic group. El Rufai has taken it upon himself to break the resolve of the Adara and viciously pursue their persecution.

7. We reject the balkanization of our traditional institution and therefore call for a return to pre 2015 status as provided by the law. We feel that the action in balkanizing our traditional institution is a recipe for chaos and instability.

In conclusion, together, let us strive to reignite the hope for our common humanity and walk in unity to end this culture of death and destruction in Birnin Gwari, Kajuru and Southern Kaduna. In the same vein, we call on Government to tackle these security challenges posed by these merciless attackers in all states of the Federation in order to restore safety of lives and property. May the Almighty God restore Peace in our land and may love reign in the hearts of men and women.

Rev. Fr Williams Kaura Abba
Coordinator

Ibnvictor1@gmail.com

loshybab:

Bro! You are not alone. Having applied for numerous paramilitary and other government jobs; from POLICE to EFCC to DSS to FRSC to FFS and now NPS, all to no avail for now.

I managed to get to the interview stage for EFCC but didn't hear anything afterwards ,even after performing well in the interview exercise. What crime have I committed : I don't have a top insider or those in position are not willing to help. I believe I still got Allah though,if this is meant for me,I'm sure it will never pass me by. The pain of waiting this long,only to be disappointed at the end is simply unexplainable. I will however, not give up until the camp training is over...

Oh! Allah,i still put my trust in you to make happen, something massively positive out of this recruitment. I won't stop believing.

Intime and with time persistence will surely break resistance............

Muna tare

loshybab:

That's the spirit!

Stop at nothing keep faith alive

christejames:




Bro, I'm in the same shoe with you but that would not stop me from at least satisfying my curiousness. As I'm typing now I'm on my way to my state capital...


wishing us the best!

Yea
There can still be a way out

What is our faith that didn't receive IV, can we still show up at the interview venue, will the opportunitics junior officer allow or disgrace us with our cert?

When will they son of nobody, without knowing anybody become somebody?

Is appalling! It seem like some fellas are here to accompany, like and comments from job to job thread.

To the like of myself console yourselves

�God's plan : Drake

My my/our only crime is we got no body from the inside or politician.

It's over with us that are yet to receive the IV?

Hmmmm

Some things are not funny atal, that's God plan
Ayam still standing.

Congratulations to all those that received IV. Represent TeamNL best wishes to all of us

Hi buddies someone should pay the closest newspaper vendor a visit let know our fight