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hifaif:
Chike and The River is a short fiction.

Guy, go and educate yourself by browsing for the difference between a novel, a novella and a short story. I shouldn't be teaching you all this. Google is your friend.

Whooo!

An author wrote a piece of art work and called it a novel, even the entire world sees it as a novel.

And one irrelevant forest dweller is saying otherwise.

hifaif:
You said I should mention one African writer more successful than Achebe.

If you want me to start arguing with you, you should rather ask me to tell you one non-Nigerian writer more successful than Achebe.

I'll pummel you today!

These are your failures;

1) He disproves that Nwapa isn't the mother of modern African literature yet he can't counter me with facts.

2) He said Chike and the river is not a novel even when the world sees it as a novel.

3) He sees narrative length as the only determinant of a novel.

hifaif:
LOL. I have been the one dealing.with you.

Apart from being an ignoramus in Literature, I think you are also not good at figures. Go back to your own link and count again. Without Chike and The River, there are just 5 novels.

Dealing with me by indirectly concluding that narrative length is the only determinant of a novel?

Such a m_oron!

He said Chike and the river is not a novel even when everybody sees it as a novel

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chike_and_the_River

Now read and tell us genre of Chike and the river.

hifaif:
[s]For the fact that you cannot argue that Achebe is more successful than Soyinka (a fellow African) so how can you argue that Achebe is the most successful African writer?[/s]

Stop clutching at straws.

The prime discourse is that; according to one Limpopo forest dweller, south Africa is bigger than Nigeria in terms of Literature. The forest dweller concluded using Nobel prize to equate ones success in literature.

The comparison is not Soyinka and Achebe but Nigeria and south Africa.

By the way, have you accepted that Nwapa is the mother of modern African literature?

hifaif:
The link is as ignorant as you. I am sure uneducated folks like you think any narrative is a novel.

FYI, there are categories of narratives. We have Novels, Novellas, Short Stories, Memoirs, Biographies, Autobiographies, etc.

Only an ignorant person does not know that length matters when categorizing prose or narratives.

You've been cut to size now you're throwing silly tantrums.

I ask again; is narrative length the only determinant of a novel?

By the way, there are over 7 novels mentioned in that link. If you say Chike and river is not a novel, we're still left with probably 6 other novels.

EroZA:
[s]My man that fabrication has been dismissed ,that man is one of those who use Mandela name to build their own image,if this man lies were true,why should Nigeria as country take the credit because it sounds to me that this was just a personal comradeship between the two....every step that Mandela took before retiring from politics is written in his biography, claims by that minister are not there...you people are masters of fabrications and lies...president Kenneth kaunda and julias nyerere are the heroes of our struggle...finish n klaar[/s]

Sentimental trash!

You're just blabbing like one addled dunce.

Show us where Mandela's family or associates debunked all Amaechi said.

hifaif:
So Chike and The River is now a novel? A book that is not even up to 70 pages. You must be ignorant about Literature.

You said I should mention an AFRICAN writer. Why are you confused? Is Soyinka no longer an African writer?

You're saying crap!

Let's go back to the basis of our discourse, which is; your claim that south Africa is bigger than Nigeria in terms of literature.

When you said that were you considering to offer Soyinka a south African citizenship?

hifaif:
So Chike and The River is now a novel? A book that is not even up to 70 pages. You must be ignorant about Literature.

So narrative length is now the only determinant of a novel? You're the ignoramus here.

Define a novel for us.

The link says "novels by Chinua Achebe.

InnerTown:
Iconize are you back home? be very careful.

And who's this moronic inhabitant of a moronic nation?

hifaif:
I gave you facts using the Nobel prize as a yardstick. You cancelled out my post without providing any reasonable countering post. Is that how to argue?

So winning the Nobel prize translates to full success? Soyinka, a Nigerian also won the Nobel prize.

Those south Africans that won the Nobel prize what are the rate of output and how successful are they?

hifaif:
If you think Achebe wrote more than five novels, prove it then. Is it that hard to do?

Flora Nwapa was called. That simple fact does not make her mother of literature. Even Achebe refused to be called father of literature. Cyprian Ekwensi published before him.

You want to argue? Alright, I pick Wole Soyinka. How is Achebe more successful than Soyinka?

I can visualize how you're trembling right now

Where and when did I call Achebe the father of African literature? These are list of novels by Achebe http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Novels_by_Chinua_Achebe

If you say Nwapa is not the mother of modern African literature even when she's seen as such, why not disprove it with facts?

By the way, the prime subject of our discourse is that you said south Africa is bigger than Nigeria in terms of literature, which I've debunked.

So why are you picking Soyinka? Is Soyinka a Nigerian or south African?

Hiafai, provide me with facts and literal works that makes south Africa bigger than Nigeria in terms of literature.

hifaif:
Yes, I need clarification instead of insult. I want you to correct each figure I gave.

Clarify me as reference to your claim that Nigeria can't be compared with south Africa in terms of Literature.

EroZA:
[s]lol...read Mandela biography ,from Tanzania ,Zambia,Uganda,Russia etc etc..no mentioning of Nigeria...people who stood side by side with the African people of south Africa were given platform to speak during Mandela memorial service at the fnb stadium..the Cubans,Tanzanians,Zambians en so forth...i never heard people of those nations making noise about their active role however their contribution is acknowledged,we thank them...nigeria was very afraid of the then apartheid regime of SA that's why their minimal role was only played via UN...[/s]



[q uote author=iconize post=26939560]Eroza, you're beginning to irk me with your dumbness and pretense. This issue has been thrashed by me, Zdee and some other southern Bantus.

Mandela was a refugee in Nigeria.

Arrant crap!

Read; from Amaechi Mbazulike, first minister of aviation in Nigeria

I was still a Parliamentary Secretary in the Ministry of Information when Mandela came to take refuge in Nigeria. Dr. Azikiwe was then the Governor General, because we were not a republic then. And he said, ‘Who is the nationalist of Mandela’s ilk to whom he would send Mandela?’ And then he sent him to me. So, Mandela lived with me in my house at No. 5 Okotie-Eboh St., Ikoyi Lagos for five months and some weeks before he returned to South Africa.

There was similarity of thought; there was the fundamental belief in certain issues about Africa and nationalism between Mandela and us. And so while he was taking refuge in my house and was moving freely because I was already a junior minister; the South African intelligence service and the British intelligence service were frantically looking for him. When they knew he was in my house, there was nothing they could do. They could not arrest him. I used to go to dances with him. We used to attend clubs, we used to go to places. But at home, we would eat and always discuss the situation in Africa; discuss the situation in South Africa; discuss the situation in Rhodesia; Northern Rhodesia, Southern Rhodesia, Tanzania, Uganda, and so forth; South West Africa; the situation in Africa entirely. After about four, five months, his talks started changing. “This my exile in Nigeria, what dividend will it give to my people? I think I better go home. Two things will happen if I go home; they will either kill me or they will send me to prison. And whichever they do will give new impetus to the ANC to continue the struggle.”

And based on that faith and conviction, he left. So he virtually walked home from my house to prison because less than three or four months after he arrived in South Africa, he was arrested; he was tried and sentenced to life imprisonment. There is a difference between Mandela and other nationalists, particularly those who make pretences to nationalism here. In prison, he wrote me a letter dated 28th February, 1964, where he was asking me to provide protection for one Dr. Barange, whose father was a lawyer, but he was a geologist. His father was defending Mandela and other freedom fighters. And because of that, the government of South Africa was threatening to arrest the son and send him to prison. So, he wrote to me again to help find him a job in Nigeria. He was a geologist and he wanted me to help him get a job at the University of Ife at that time.

hifaif:
[s]Please, if you are basing greatness on one achievement, then don't mention me again. I collated and compared achievements. You can't base a country's greatness in sport on the strength of one sport. There are over 20 sports. You can't be using football alone as a yardstick. Maybe Kenya should claim to be greater than Nigeria in sport because Nigeria is not good at Marathon.
Achebe is successful, fine, but his outputs were meagre. Naghuib Mafhouz (Egypt) published over 10 novels and so too did Nadine Gordimer (South Africa). Achebe had only five. As a novelist who lived till 80 years, that is really small. Moreover, success is relative. He is famous, but not the most successful.
As for Flora Nwapa, how does the fact that she published just one great novel make Nigeria greater than South Africa in Literature. And stop embarrassing yourself, she is the first published Nigerian woman writer. How does that make her mother of African literature?
When you are ready to argue with variables, mention me.[/s]

Crap!

This is what makes Nwapa the mother of "modern" African literature;

Nwapa, born in Oguta, was the
forerunner to a generation of African
women writers. While never considering
herself a feminist, she is best known for
recreating life and traditions from a woman's
viewpoint. In 1966 her book Efuru became Africa's
first internationally published female novel
in the English language
(Heinemann Educational Books).
She has been called the mother
of modern African literature.
Later she went on to become the
first African woman publisher of novels
when she founded Tata Press.

Achebe wrote five novels, where did you get that from?

Mention any African author whom you think is(was) more successful than Achebe, so we can place them side by side for comparison.

Get your facts right before you come here talking trash.

author=ChristyG post=26940567]

I barely could read the vacuous gibberish you wrote.

Anybody who pummels this schmuck is termed Igbo.

Imagine a nation to be churning out moronic university graduates.

History states that the Ewes trace their original homeland to Oyo, western Nigeria. Now tell us how that translates to them being indigenous Lagosians.

ChristyG:
f.o.o.l,why did u modify dis post,obviously u realised it didnt make any sense

Such an addled dunce!

How does that stop me from pummeling your skull?

Tell us how Ewes are Lagosians.

**edited

[quote author=ChristyG post=26939918][/quote]--And who's this malnourished Nigerian being with gorilla brains?

Does your brain function at all?

The Ewes trace their origin to the old Oyo empire, now how does that make them indigenous Lagosians?

jump off the cliff if your thinking faculty can't produce a good answer.

hifaif:
In every other sector except being 2nd to Nigeria in terms of the size of economy.

They have greater achievements in sports, music, medicine, movies, literature, education, etc.

You keep rambling about education. Zimbabwe with crappy schools has more school applicants than south Africa.

Its fact that blek south Africans prefer drinking and molesting themselves to going to school.

Sport - you must be kidding me.
The same nation that broke the record of hosting the world cup and crashing out from the group stage?

Tell us any African author that's more successful than Chinua Achebe, not forgetting the mother of African literature, Flora Nwapa.

He even mentioned music and education.

hifaif:
[s]I am not joking.
I shall use the most prestigious awards in each category as yardstick. You are free to argue it.
In Sports, South Africa participates in all sports known to man: Cricket, Rugby, Basketball, Hockey, Swimming, Canoeing, Mixed Martial arts, Judo, Karate, Boxing, Motor races, table tennis, soccer, golf etc. Nigeria participates in only a few sports.
Nigeria is only excellent in youth and women football and short distances races but South Africa is Africa's number 1 in Cricket, Rugby (World champions in 1995 and 2007), Swimming, Canoeing, Motor race, golf and many other sports that are hardly played in Africa.
Here is a simple statistics;
OLYMPICS RECORDS: SA. 76 medals vs. NGR: 23 medals
NOBEL PRIZE (LITERATURE): SA. 2 vs NGR. 1
NOBEL PRIZE (PEACE): SA. 4 vs NGR. 0
NOBEL PRIZE (CHEMISTRY): SA. 2 vs NGR. 0
NOBEL PRIZE (MEDICINE): SA. 3 vs NGR. 0
In all, South Africa has won 11 Nobel prizes against Nigeria's one.
GRAMMY AWARDS: SA. 15+ vs. NGR. 0
South Africa has over 20 Grammy awards nominations while Nigeria has just four and didn't win any.
In Education, the top 3 universities in Africa are South African universities.
The South African movie industry enjoys a lot of foreign investments unlike Nollywood. Over 90% of Nollywood is in the hands of mediocre film makers.[/s]

You're an addled m_oron!

What nonsense is this?

Do you need some clarification?

Eroza, you're beginning to irk me with your dumbness and pretense. This issue has been thrashed by me, Zdee and some other southern Bantus.

Mandela was a refugee in Nigeria.

EroZA:
Lol...

Nigerians see some crappy papers called certificates as the ultimate, hence the lack of skills amongst many youths.

mrham03: great job SANTAMAFIA. Ghana is proud of u. Stuppid bokogerians like iconize living in the dirty water of makoko.

Apes!

Santamafia and friends.

SantaMafia: Ghanaians will always rule over these modafakas they don't have it takes to stand up to Ghanaians. bunch of magg0ts

Being Ghanaians is an honour. Shitnigerians know Ghanaians are superior, they’ll just never admit it

World class toilet!

SantaMafia: Ghana's economy is cursed? hahahahahaha bros, it is even worse with your zoo country. your entire country, including your economy is cursed! ask obasanjo https://www.nairaland.com/1396280/obasanjo-nigeria-cursed-criticized-atiku no wonder shitnigeria is officially dubbed a nation of fooools http://dailyindependentnig.com/2013/02/nigeria-a-nation-of-160million-fools/ too many mor0ns in that zoo shitnigeria is a failed state shitnigeria is a failed state shitnigeria is a failed state https://www.nairaland.com/315838/naija-failed-state OMG they are even begging the Brits to come back and rule them again
https://www.nairaland.com/1605295/beg-british-re-colonize-us

gayna - a nation of a brainwashed id-iots


Yes, I said it! Go hang yourself if you disagree. We are supposed to be a sovereign nation whose citizens should be boasting to the outside world of our rich cultural heritage and prosperity; in stead, we project poverty and inferiority complex. Our forefathers toiled to dissolve the umbilical cord that married us to the colonialists, only for greed and abject stupidity of our leaders to derail our progress, leaving our country worse than the colonialists left it.



For one, Ghanaians suffer collectively from inferiority complex. That should be common knowledge to all. We would rather glorify foreign customs and norms than our own. How do we live in a country that has a bona fide currency but locally trades in the United States Dollars (USD)? Did we run out of Cedi? When?



The following incident prompted me to write this article: A couple of days ago some coworkers of mine and I had a brief discussion about Ghanaian architecture and how much houses are generally sold for. It was easy talking about Mediterranean, contemporary and modern architectural flairs that grace our cities. The discussion went smoothly until we “googled” the cost of houses in Ghana. We were taken to multiple websites, among them Ghanaweb.com. What did we see? Every house was priced in United States Dollars. “Don’t you have a currency?” was asked of me by my coworkers. I have never been this humiliated in my life! (Please see: http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/realestate/luxury_houses.php, http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/realestate/bargain_houses.php, http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/realestate/apartments.php, http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/realestate/uncompleted_houses.php, http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/realestate/residential_rentals.php, )



Every land or house advertised for sale, completed or otherwise, is in dollars. Being domiciled abroad for decades, I just noticed that this practice has been ongoing for far too long.



If the US dollar is our medium of exchange in many quarters, what then is the purpose of our national currency, Cedi? Are we that stupid as a nation?



Talking to my brother-in-law about this, I discovered that a significant number of Ghanaians converts their earnings into foreign currencies and open foreign accounts with them in the country.

Delving deeper into the subject, I came across several articles online stating the devastating impact of this practice on our economy. (http://business.myjoyonline.com/pages/banking/201206/88229.php; Joy Online News: Statement: BoG has not taken any decision to close foreign deposit accounts [http://business.myjoyonline.com/pages/news/201206/88007.php]; Joy Online News: Foreign currency account holders to pay the price for Cedi depreciation [http://business.myjoyonline.com/pages/news/201206/87998.php]; Joy Online News: Government denies plan to ban dollar accounts [http://business.myjoyonline.com/pages/news/201206/88030.php]

Did our elected officials just realize the devastating impact of this practice on our economy? I mean are they plain stupid, grossly uneducated, simply nonchalant—or all of the above?

Point number two, it is also common knowledge that Ghanaians are a peace-loving and hospitable people. These are virtues I brag about always. But, to what extent, should we allow people to filter through our porous borders into our country? Talking to my friends and family in the Central Region, Kumasi and Accra, it is known that Ghana is now overcrowded with Nigerians. What’s more, their so-called 419 scams have crossed the Nigerian borders into ours. They have flooded our country to the extent that Ghanaians can’t enjoy peace. It’s annoying enough to be called at 5 am from Nigeria about an order from Microsoft, which one didn’t place; and it’s a whole different story to flood another country and become a nuisance. Didn’t a Nigerian kill his Ghanaian girlfriend just this month? (See http://news1.ghananation.com/headlines/261803-nigerian-man-kills-19-year-old-ghanaian-lover-and-tosses-body-in-neighbor-s-compound-photo.html). Did this murderer have the guts to do this because Ghanaians are too stupid, too lax and too accommodating when dealing with foreigners?

Again, didn’t a Nigerian criminal forge the signature of one of our ex-president’s (Kufour’s?) for a shady deal that was later uncovered? Haven’t we heard of many Nigerians implicated in armed robberies in Ghana?

Worse, friends tell me there are loads of buses of people from Nigeria coming into Ghana daily. The annoying thing, as one pointed out, was a bus with an inscription that went something like, “Nigeria: A country of Good People.” I don’t think a genuinely good people would advertise themselves that way. Can this be a cover-up for who they really are? Or is it meant to divert attention from who they really are?

What’s more, any discernable individual who has the guts to talk frankly about Nigerians in Ghana is often confronted with, “We have businesses here, and we pouring billions of dollars into your economy.” For one, Ghanaians didn’t ask any Nigerian to start a business in Ghana. Two, Ghana as a whole benefits from a net negative impact of Nigerian presence in our country, all things considered. If starting a business in Nigeria is not feasible for them because of corruption and the political atmosphere, tough luck!! They should look to the Middle East and North Africa for answers: Arab Spring!! We have many problems plaguing our country and we don’t need their presence, which complicates life for us.

Is it being alleged here that every Nigerian is a criminal and nuisance? No! However, there are too many fraudulent acts committed by too many Nigerians that it’s difficult for most Ghanaians to separate the good from the bad. Even in the United States and United Kingdom, there are Nigerians who hide their “Nigerian identity” when dealing with others. If some Nigerians feel uncomfortable disclosing their country of origin because of fraud commonly associated with them, then perhaps many can excuse my ignorance.

My Ga siblings are upset over the procurement of their lands by other tribes, mostly Ashantis. Do Gas know that many foreigners, mostly Nigerians, are snatching up their lands? I will admit that we are literally selling our country to foreigners, and if this trend should continue in that trajectory there will be nothing left for the future generations.

What about the Togolese, Fulanis and other “illegal” foreigners in our country? It is no secret that individuals from countries bordering Ghana easily move to our country as if Ghana is a city in their own country. Being close to Ghana doesn’t make one a Ghanaian, just as being born in Mexico doesn’t make one a citizen of the United States. Our leaders must do a lot to prevent influx of people into our fragile and poor economy. Do I expect them to heed this advice? No, because they are preoccupied with stealing public money.

Do our elected leaders see this as a problem? Sadly, no! Why? It is simply because they only care about money they will make from shady deals and not the wellbeing of the general populace.

Point number three: Our elected leaders are a disgrace to our country. They would sell the soul of our country for a pittance. Corruption is so prevalent in our political culture that there are only a few good politicians, and even they are endangered species. One needs to take a cursory glance at our many national ills and will realize how incompetent our leaders are.

Both the NPP and the NDC are corrupt to the core. Politicians from both parties have lost any shred of trust we have in them. We should all shy away from the partisan nonsense we are mostly engulfed in and fight for the one country we all call home.

How many politicians from both parties haven’t being implicated in corruption? The sanest politician in Ghana, I must reluctantly admit, is probably Rawlings. However, he presided over corruption for decades and his current utterances directed against corruption in his own party are just a means of venting his frustration for the mistreatment of his family by the party he founded.

On the same score, it is no secret that I admire Kwame Nkrumah for all he did. However, I loathe the man for making Ghana a part of ECOWAS. We should expel all foreigners who are in our country illegally and opt out of ECOWAS if needed. We are a sovereign nation and capable of such acts. Our country is on the downward spiral and may continue in that direction if such stringent measures are not taken. We should welcome professionals and citizens from other countries who will further our development, or people who apply to enter our country legally in search of “greener pastures.”

All the same, we should put a cap on the number of people entering our country “legally,” for we still remain a poor country. We are not the United States. We are not the United Kingdom. Our country will remain unsustainable if we continue to open our borders to anyone who wants to come in. We are suffering and something has to be done.

Ghana, wake up!! Our low self-esteem and lax attitude as well as our greedy and selfish leaders are destroying the very fiber of our country. We have been stupid and have acted stupidly for far too long!! Wake-up, Ghana. Wake-up, Ghana. Wake-up!!!

SantaMafia: OMG! 80 percent of shitnigerians live in rented premises compared with 22 percent in Ghana no be me talk am ooooooh He analysed the Nigerian housing market where more than 80% live in rented apartments compared to South Africa where only 19% do and Ghana at 22%

ng a conference of this magnitude with months of painstaking meetings, speakers all

Arrant crap!

80% of accra residents live in slums - farouk braimah


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The chief executive officer of the People’s Dialogue on Human Settlement has said 80% of Accra’s residents live in slums.

“There are basically two definitions we can ascribe to a slum. We identified five key areas; the one that talks about improved sanitation, the one that talks about clean water, the physical condition of the house, tenure security and overcrowding,” he said.

Speaking on Our Cities, Farouk Braimah said his outfit worked with the UN and Ministry Of Local Government to find a localized definition of slums and they discovered that some slums had grown, matured and nothing could be done about them except for regeneration.

“There are different categories of slums. We have one that has grown and matured and there is nothing we can do about it unless you wipe them out or do some regeneration; and we have the smaller slums which are more transient and we can deal with them by getting the people out of the area,” he stated.

Mr. Braimah further stated, “If you have a settlement that provides toilet facilities for a hundred people and the population increases to five hundred and you don’t expand the network of toilet facilities, there is definitely going to [be] an over-stretched pressure on this facility.”

“Over a long period of time, we have not had a significant improvement in housing… The houses are not there; the infrastructure is not expanding and more people are moving in so definitely, we’ll have a rundown tournament,” he added.


Santamafia don't run yet, I'm not done with your burnt asssss