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I warned easterners and even the so-called south-southerners to arm themselves to the hip. Let the fools from northern region act stupidly and see the sudden end of the shithole called Nigeria. I really want these goons to make good on their silly threat.

Aderewah:
If we want to compare firsts, you know yoruba trumps Igbo mercilessly

No way Yoruba will trump Igbo when the Sierra Leoneans and Brazilians who were returnees in Lagos are not counted.

The hatred for Igbo in Nigeria does not have boundaries. This is food for thought to those delusional Igbo peeps who beg for the silly one-Nigeria. If Igbo are most tribally disposed in Nigeria, why do you not support their bid to leave the union called Nigeria? It is not funny anymore your forbearers fought war of attrition to keep these despicable souls as part of Nigeria. I know the root of hatred toward Ndigbo in Nigeria yet the reason most Nigerians will fight to keep them as part of the shithole called Nigeria.

Abohboy:
I know that i'm saying after his tenure would have ended which if i'm not mistaken would have been in 1967 unless they had 5 year terms and i'm sure after his tenure as eastern region premier he would have moved on to prime minister or premier of Nigeria seeing as he built massive industrial zones in all states, built ports, increased efficiency of agriculture and gave it machinery and on top of that he develop federal mortgage schemes to make buying housing easier for people in the eastern region and as premier he likely would have introduced same to the whole nation between him and Awolowo I think they'd have been the best leaders for Nigeria

How do you know when the tenure will end since Nigeria ran parliamentary system of government? The party which won majority in the parliament will continue to rule and leader of the party shall head the emerging government. The above post draws me back to question I asked earlier than now if you belonged to this discuss.

AlexBells:
Don't tell me when the war started when was the first time Ojukwu conceived the idea of secession, this war started through a dangerous coup man Ojukwu failed in that war I don't know his aim though but the first time the thought of secession crossed his mind was when he should have stocked up

You should not give me the above crap because you were the dude who seemed mesmerized by the international recognition of Biafra and why it did not come earlier than 1968.

AlexBells:
I thought you will keep cheering them, let them rubbish everything and everyone misinformed generation, blinded by propaganda, let them keep Rubishing Zik one day they would look back and realise that if Ziks template was continued, no African region could have seen the back of The East, Zik entrusted the East in the hands of Okpara a youthful intelligence while aspiring for a more for the center,

I am for independent nation called Republic of Igboland. I shall do anything to actualize it. Also, I am in support of those who wanted republic of Biafra. In essence, anything which can lead to the demise of the shithole called Nigeria will definitely have my blessing. However, my journey to nairaland had been geared toward disabusing the mind of Igbo chaps who have been fed with craps about Ndigbo by the western and northern regional propaganda machines.

AlexBells:
Lol, isn't it better if Biafra got the blessing in1967 especially one month after Aburi

When did the shooting war start? It all started as a police action before full-fledged firefight.

Abohboy:
Yes?

Thanks!!! However you should have known Mazi Iheonukara Okpara was the premier of eastern region of Nigeria from 1959 to 1966.

Captain8:
can igbos face these?

https://www.nairaland.com/attachments/14368136_1629291384006_jpeg_jpegd909d51cacb154d82489690e1fd0f328

You are laughable. War is different from the conflict among groups of pipeline guards.

AlexBells:
At what stage in the war did they recognize Biafra

Most of the recognitions of Biafra by international countries came in1968.

Igboid:
You are not reasoning well.
You want to be in a country with a people you will eternally be dragging for power with. Wasting precious time that would have been spent on development and industrialization on power intrigues.
Are you listening to yourself?

No one is making North larger than they are. The fact is that the Islamic ideology of the North does not support infidels rulling the children of Allah, so whenever this happens, there will serious revolt like in the North like we saw in GEJ, derailing the Government.

Zik was a chicken, a coward. He was found guilty of using Eastern region funds to run party politics, so the British used it to blackmail him into either accepting to play second fiddle to their beloved North or go to jail.
We all know how the so called Zik of Africa became a powerless ceremonial president to a barely educated Balewa just to save his own skin.
Its the same Zik that some of you want to paint as someone more powerful? I laugh.

Zik is a shortsighted fellow. I don't blame him too much though for lacking foresight, there was no antecedents for him to learn from.
But I get irritated when I see adults like you who have seen the mistakes of Zik in opting for a United NIGERIA and yet voluntarily choose same path.
It is madness.

Zik lost out big time to the North.
He was beaten blue black from the word go when he was relegated to a mere figure head president.
And then was given a knock out punch after the much disputed 1963 Census result.


The only lesson to be learned from Zik misadventures in Nigeria politics and experience with the North is how to play second fiddle to the North( This is an area Zik know we'll which I want us to copy for 2023 to unseat the Yorubas who think they are wiser than they are) . And also why Ndiigbo must find a way to pull out from this shithole.

Imagine someone once asked me why do I think Zik built UNN In Nsukka.
I told him it's because of the serene environment. The guy laughed an evil laughter, after which he said: Is Nsukka a Northern Igbo land that is almost a Savannah region more serene than deeply rainforested Central and Southern Igbo with lush vegetations and much more abundant rainfall?
After which he went on to tell me that Zik wanted the University to be as close to the North as possible,and that was the single factor why he picked Nsukka.

I was dumbfounded. But the more I reexamine Zik life, the more it makes sense.

Zik is not an example we should emulate in Igboland. He is more like an "Ozoemena" as far as politics in Igboland is concerned in wider Nigerian context.
I only appreciate his role in improving Western education literacy in Igboland. And for finding a rare gem like Okpara Michael. Those are his only two legacies in Igboland that he would be remembered for when Republic of Igboland stands in the community of Nations in UN.

You may have ill-feeling toward Azikiwe as many Igbo chaps do. However it appears you have sunken neck deep into the fallacies published by the western region of Nigeria publishing houses. I have copies of 1960 and 1963 Nigerian constitution on my table and would want you to guide me toward the section which declared Azikiwe the "Figure head president". You got it totally wrong on the issue of ACB.

AlexBells:
That's if you are arguing on the basis of the second reason why Biafra lost, the first reason was that supposedly Biafrans was opposed to the war secessionist option or at best there was errors on the signals of support I had told you we lost becuase so many Igbo had different suggestion for the war,

Zik, Was opposed to Milirary option, Nzeogwu was opposed to the war and he preferred Nigeria and believed the war should be channelled to Kaduna instead of Lagos, Emmanuel Ifeajuna believed that once Ojukwu and Gowon were out of the picture the war should be over, there was no unity of purpose so tell me how we could win,

So many people were deliberately ignored Biafra of today is quite different at least it is surrounded in a call for referendum, it does not make logical sense that a real well planned and focused war that Nigeria would win Biafra but it turned out the way it did.

Ojukwu could have appealed to Zik, Nzeogwu and Ifeajuna, Ifeajuna could have been the face of Biafra giving his international reach then as an Olympic medalist while appointing MI Okpara as the premier while himself would be the chief of Army or Defence staff

These things happened too fast so I don't blame anyone, it had happened and it had happened but this generation needn't repeat a mistake I had told you,

I cannot correctly proffer why Biafra lost the war. In addition, I have not remotely insinuated why Biafra lost the war in my posts. You were the person who seemed to enjoy the fact Biafra had no weapon of war and international recognition. However there were, at least, five countries that recognized Biafra.

Abohboy:
My view is the people will stand up and take a stance very soon maybe not 2023 but still 2027

The fraudulent voting process would once again be solved if the people took a stance you think one man can defeat a 100 angry people trying to get their votes registered?

They bring in gun men? We bring in our own if ESN can get guns so can we the people and we will fight back

My view is that the whole structure of Nigeria will be destroyed very soon not the nation itself but the whole form of government, the constitution, the civil sector even the way the currency is run will be changed and the sooner this happens the better it is for Nigeria and i'm very hopeful that it can happen soon because everything is aligning right now

Youths are getting ready to vote
Parties are merging to form a third force
Anger is rising amongst the people
People are finding more solutions to our problems
PDP and APC are continously failing reducing confidence in them
and finally we are starting to see our similarities and seeing where we can move forward
with the way things are going we're either set for a revolution or a massive change of who is in power

You are free as air to dwell in Nigeria. However majority of Ndigbo and Biafrans do not want to be part of the shithole called Nigeria beyond 2023. What a view you seemed to have about Nigeria and people standing up to take a stance? You are already against the people who stood up for a change.

Abohboy:
What are you talking about look at Michael Okpara what exactly was happening to his Eastern Region that was so bad? The federal government worked with him to set up a federal mortgate scheme so if they worked with him to set up schemes that benefitted him and his people how exactly woudl the Eastern Region be worse for it?

Infact I suspect that had Nigeria continued he would have become premier at some point after Azikiwe or Awolowo

Do you actually belong to this discuss?

AlexBells:
I'm not against the war, I'm happy that it happened but we must get the fact that the war happened becuase of the injustice, the killings and again Gowon hijacking the center but Gowon is no longer there, we have our own weapons so why can't stand up to any enemy without declaring a new country, Biafra means running lets fight until Nigeria Nigeria becomes a failed state if it what they want then everyone goes home, I'm very happy that the war happened to us Igbos becuase at the end of the day we own Nigeria and we shall deal with anyone who tries to break it it in the future

You seem to eat your cake and have it. You claimed Biafra did not have the weapon in previous posts and now in the above, you wrote Biafra had weapon therefore should have stood up without a war. I guess you remembered when I wrote Mberekede ka eji ama dike. The Biafra did not think Nigeria will declare a war against it. However Nigeria did declare war and Biafra had to fight. My grandfather told me if a person comes to my house to fight me even though I could not beat the person, I should, at least, cough on the person's face.

AlexBells:
A war is a war, don't give no excuse for being caught by surprise, Mberede Nyiri Dike man Mberede ka eji ama Dike

The only excuse proffered in this ongoing debate is by you who indicated Biafra had no weapon of war and international recognition.

Buckeyemedia1:
Nigerian.

Nigerian indeed!!! I usually do not dabble into measuring of prick. However sometime these goons should be place in their usual seat. How dear the fool insult the great Igbo ethnicity in such idiotic manner?

Aderewah:
For millenia, the mainstay of igbos is trade. They are good at buying at selling. Especially from China and other countries. Buying is not important. Anyone can buy. The important thing here is selling.

Igbos have enjoyed selling to yorubas and northerners for decades. Why? Yorubas are a very well rounded people. They are not into just one thing. Law, music, business, medicine, academia, transport, tech etc etc. This means Yorubas delegate the trading to the igbos, but when biafra comes and igbo lose right to sell to 65 million yoruba buyers, yoruba entrepreneurs will fill those spots igbos will leave open.

For hausas, they are also good with trading. After biafra I'm sure northerners will not even want to see igbos at all as they'll declare full sharia immediately.

What then do we have? 45 million igbos in their land locked region with no customers. They won't buy from each other as much because they have trading mentality. They can sell goods, not good at buying. SW and North will pass strong indigenous laws to shut out non citizens like China.

SW and North will be safe because igbos are not the main consumers of our products in the first place. But igbos will lose 150m customers and if they want to jump the rest of Nigeria, logistics will not be funny.

We can't wait for biafra to come.

What an idiotic dribble. Yet Igbo is the first African to sit in world court at Hague. Igbo is the first African to be president of world court. Igbo is first African secretary-general of commonwealth of nations. Igbo is the African to head WTO. Igbo produced the first African professor of mathematics. Igbo was first Nigerian to open law office in Nigeria. Igbo is the first African to produce vaccine. Igbo is first Nigerian to manufacture vehicle.

AlexBells:
A war is a war, don't give no excuse for being caught by surprise, Mberede Nyiri Dike man Mberede ka eji ama Dike

Bro it would have been worse for us, you and me, if Biafra did not fight the war. If Ndigbo had succumbed to mere aggressive shenanigan from northern and western regions without blooding their nose as we did, you will never be allowed to walk the road. You can imagine the intensity in their eye when Biafra is mentioned in Nigeria. Mberekede ka eji ama dike.

AlexBells:
Biafra didn't have enough weapons nor international connections at the start of the war

Was the war a planned undertaken by Biafrans? Biafrans simply stood up against the aggressors. The talk of weapon or lack thereof in Biafra is the manifestation of the spineless saboteurs.

AlexBells:
Look the sit at home is beyond Biafra, Kanu is Igbo and I'm sitting at home for my brother but I tell you what if Kanu is Ijaw be be he Biafra or whatever name you call it and you put up such order come out and say shit,

So don't get it confused no one is against the sit at home,

If there is no true red-blooded Igbo person or true Biafran who is against the sit-at-home, why the hype about the so-called referendum for Biafra or Republic of Igboland? The ideology to have a country different from Nigeria has been second nature to Igbo person. The spineless call for referendum on the issue of Republic of Igboland or Republic of Biafra is a bureaucratic shenanigan created by halfwits in Nigeria.

AlexBells:
Biafra existed between 1966 and 1967 and during those times, there was very limited transparency in the government of Biafra, we had no weapons yet no one knew the exact reality on ground and if not for the RAP team coming up with the Ogbunigwe there was nothing obviously on ground

Are you serious with the bolded? You have written like someone who has a chip on his/her shoulders. Which government in world tells its citizens the state of its weaponry? Till this day, do you know the stock of arsenals of Nigeria?

AlexBells:
And who told you that you are representing the intention of the majority of the Igbos by mentioning Biafra then why do you ask for a referendum when it is clear that those who don't associate with you would be tagged saboteurs,

I guess now you see why you are not progressing and only few people would tell you the truth for the fear of that tag you are not really asking for a referendum you already have your results and that's not the Igbo way of doing things

The bolded is the figment of imagination created by British. Who gives a ratass about referendum when IPOB's sit-at-home is very trendy? I had wanted those of you who had embraced the silly One-Nigeria to come out of the closet and publicly oppose the express train known as IPOB and the ideology of self-determination among Ndigbo.

AlexBells:
Forget about the Republic of Biafra or Nigeria for the main time, not quite different from Nigeria still not homogenous unless an Igbo only Biafra, and I ask isn't same thing we are saying if the option is about Biafra and Nigeria why automatically think that majority would chose Biafra over Nigeria isn't that why we need a credible referendum and both Biafrans and Niferians are overtly corrupt in their methods of representing the peoples signals

Presently Biafrans do not actually exist because there no country called Biafra as of today. Please limit your references on Nigerians. I cannot follow you on this argument if we tend to digress. The societal demeanor among Nigerians of today is the creation of Nigeria. If Nigerians will visit US or UK and readily abide by the laws, Ndigbo or Biafrans will readily abide by the new laws found in Republic of Igboland or Biafra.

Sergio101:
Denounce you igboness bro.
More shame to you if you don't

The dumbass jackass is not Igbo. Igbo person can never be ashamed of his/herself because of infantile crap.

AlexBells:
But when external aggressors use insiders by exploiting our preferences isn't better we find a Middle ground and unify ourselves first otherwise it won't be simple, we can't keep calling some of us saboteurs then forgetting that Nigeria was our country and Biafra too is an option..

When you call some Igbos saboteurs becuase they believe in Nigeria you inevitable behaves like a cancer which assumes its presence is more important than other peoples choice and not choosing exactly what the other chose makes you the bad guys irrespective of your reasons it is only transparent minds like u
Ours of this generation that can actually ensure a confident referendum

The bolded is called distraction. A red-blooded Igbo person is always focused on the big picture. In this case of our discussion, the big picture is centered on the actualization of Republic of Igboland or Republic of Biafra. Any Igbo person who believed in Nigeria should not be allowed to site in a closed-door meetings among Igbo peeps. The unbelievers on Igboland are not only saboteurs, they do not deserve pint of air in Igboland.

Abohboy:
Have Nigerians even tried to vote a good leader before? In 1979 you had Awolowo, Azikiwe and Kano yet you chose Shagari, in 1999 you chose Obasanjo over everybody else when he had already showed himself as a bad leader before in 2007 you chose Yar'adua because of 'zoning' although he was decent we could have done much better as in Gani fanwenheimi was there as well but it must be 'zoning' to decide our next president then we had jonathan not a good leader but in 2015 you saw Buhari a leader who recked the economy in the 80s and decided yes that is a great option and see where's that gotten us never in our history have we chosen a good leader as president ever and until that is done we obviously won't see progress and ultimately if you can't choose a good leader in Nigeria why would you be able to choose a good leader in Biafra and Oduduwa nobody has been able to answer this question

You should ask if the so-called Nigeria have ever tried to build a good society. Good leaders do not fall from the sky. A society produces a good. In the the above crap, you buttressed the stream of thought only known to Nigerians. The problem is Nigeria.

AlexBells:
I'm Igbo, and we can't fight to scatter Nigeria when all I see in Biafra is another war let's put our land in order first and Nigeria would naturally part when that happens we would have a stable option to fall back at not fighting to break Nigeria when AlaIgbo is not even completely unified talk more of Biafra,

Nigeria is not one, Nigeria can negotiate unity though

I shall take you for what you have written about yourself. However in Igbo culture and tradition, Ndigbo believed in the stance to fight off the external aggressors and then turn inward to discipline the wayward.

Nwanyiogwashi:
Your Ijaw has never won any war before so stop ranting online.

Have Ijaw ever initiated ordinary wrestling match talk less of a fist fight?

Abohboy:
That applies to a man who's lifespan is no more on average then 80 years how are you comparing a saying for a man to a nation? It is in a nations hardest times where you find out how far it will go because I promise you if Nigeria stays together and the people wake up to vote in good leaders or just vote decent people by 2040 Nigerians will be happy they made the decision to stay as one

I have heard this nonsense for my entire life on earth yet the worst is about to unfold. Are you sure you will still see Nigeria at 2040?

AlexBells:
Nobody is trying to bring disunity among Igbos here, you can't overlook the obvious truth but say same thing about Nigeria, the catholic you talk about I guess your great grandfather was the one who originated catholic here

Was catholic not brought to us by the British missionaries, you seem to confuse the missionaries, the Marchants with the Colonialists there where three stages of British entry into Eastern Nigeria, first was the mission, second was the Marchants and third was the Colonialists

In fact I had followed your arguments here and all of your maps made were made by the British even all your defence was based on the British accounts, so lets be sensible Africans, only a referendum would decide who becomes Biafra and who becomes not and who becomes part of Igbo Republic and who is not

You made reference to Onitsha and the environs, isn't that a tiny bit of what's today known as AlaIgbo, what about Northern Igboland, what about The Delta Igbos, what about Rivers Igbos or you think in actual sense those Ikwerre who keeps denying being Igbo don't have logics to it,

Ofcourse they are Ikwerre Igbo sub groups but the Igbo as an umbrella was given to us by the British, even if you look at the Onitsha environs or lets even use the Omambala environment as the Omambala River covers most of what is today know as Anambra and part of Enugu it still don't represent 30% of AlaIgbo so it was the Missionary which did most of the peaceful Unification work and you condemn them when it didn't favour you but dont praise them when it favours you

I am not a fan of digression. This topic is about Nigeria's future and actualization of homeland. When Republic of Igboland or even Republic of Biafra is actualized, we can discourse Igbo unity or lack thereof.

AlexBells:
It is okay to be this way at 61, China had been existing for over a thousand years, though different dynasties, Egypt had been around for over 6000 years, in case you understand the life of a nation sixty years could be considered adolescent or even childhood, this is time to make the most mistakes and learn our lessons if we did not break around this stage you could be looking at Nigeria still together in next 1000 years

I had been resourcefully informed that a fool at forty is a fool forever. Where does this categorization leave Nigeria which is well over forty and counting? I cannot believe you cited craps as the cornerstone of you argument for the one-legged Nigeria.