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MaxInDHouse:
Sorry i was attending to some serious issues.



The highlighted is WRONG!
Jesus never asked anyone to WORSHIP him rather what he emphasized is to OBEY his orders {Matthew 15:7-9} we don't WORSHIP Jesus but we keep strictly his words {John 15:14} and Jesus assured us that we will see a sign as evidence that we're getting things right:

There will be perfect understanding among the adherents of Jesus' teachings throughout the world so that they will all have the same line of thought! John 17:22

Throughout the world people will know that this group have LOVE for their fellow believers in this same faith! John 13:34-35

They will not be loved in any country of the world because they're keeping the teachings of Jesus whom the world hates! John 15:19

They will become known globally as the most active group in preaching zealously and industriously teaching the word of their God exactly the same way Jesus was known back in his days! Act 1:8

They will not support WARS because racism and politics has been removed from their brains! Matthew 26:52

They will be obedient to the rulers yet they will not disobey God's commands {Mark 12:17} so when the rulers asked them to do anything that doesn't contradict God's word they will be in the forefronts! Romans 13:1-3

This is what it means to BELIEVE in Jesus and the whole world will SEE {Matthew 5:14-16} the fruit that this group is different {Matthew 7:16-18} it's not about WORSHIPING Jesus who never asked us to worship him!

I like Jehovah withness and I think in many Christian sets they're the ones nearly doing the will of God. But nevertheless, my groose with them I first calling Jesus an ArcAngel. Jesus is not one, has never been one. Jesus is not Micheal.

Thirdly it you people groose with blood transfusion etc

wirinet:
Why did Jesus himself say in Matthew 23:9
"And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven"?

don't listen to the Guy. One thing you should know is Jesus is definitely not God almighty, but Jesus is certainly not just a prophet. Yes he is a messenger from God but he is more than a prophet.

And if Muhammad can't see that, I don't see how he is genuine.

wirinet:
It's an issue of seeing what you want to see. The Christians see Jesus Christ in every verse of the Bible. The Jews does not even acknowledged Jesus in any verse of the Bible,while the Muslims see Jesus as a prophet in the Bible.

let's forget for a second what others prophets might have said about Jesus and let's look at Jesus own words... Then you should tell me if thestatements he made look like statements ordinary Prophets can make.


According to your Quran , God almighty will raise the dead doing the regenerationn... isn't that so?
Well according to Jesus Christ, he will raise the dead doing the regenerationn. Meaning it is he not God that will raise the dead.
Does that look like something an ordinary prophet can do or say? Remember this is not bout raising one or two people like Elijah did or Elisha, this is raising billions of people after the world end.

Common sense will make me understand that someone that can make that claim isn't an ordinary Prophet. And this Jesus claim alone put a dent on your Quran except you will tell me Jesus never made such a statement.

2. Christ said , he was given Glory by God before the world began. Meaning Christ is atleast billions of years old. I don't think any prophet is billions of years old or any prophet can make such a claim.
Do you think an ordinary Prophet will make such claim?

3. Jesus said , he will be the judge doing judgement day and he gave his disciples the ability to judge the 12 tribes of isreal. Can any prophet make that claim that he will be the judge doing judgement judging both the living and the dead.
Even Muhammad or Moses or Abraham will not try to make such claim.

4. Lastly, Jesus said all power and Authority in heaven, earth and under nthe earth has been given to him.

I doubt an ordinary Prophet can or will say that.

So you see except you claim Jesus never said the above than Jesus is not an ordinary prophet and that will make you look like a liar .
From the above I gave you, we can not claim it is due to interpretation because he didn't just say this things once but numerous times.


I shall expect your reply especially on no 1.
I wonder how Muhammad who say he is a prophet and know Christ more will forget all the above Jesus said.

MaxInDHouse:
It's the work of mistranslation!

If you want to know whether the translators got things right or wrong all what you need is to observe those using such a translation. The result of the mistranslation will reflect in the way they're dealing with one another, whereas the fine works of a good translation will be seen in the way and manner those using it conduct themselves orderly and well organized! Matthew 7:16-18

Please can you point to any orderly and well organized group using trinitarian translations?
Well their fruit is what Apostle Paul listed in the Bible book of Galatians 5:19-21.
Because they translated God's word with their fleshy thinking it's the fruit of the flesh they will produce after all they're in the flesh.

But look at Jehovah's Witnesses closely and ask yourself:
Are they perfect human beings?
Considering the way each of them will react to matters you will see clearly that a Jehovah's witness is not different from any other person in other religions. But look at the way and manner they're orderly and organized, then you will perceive the presence of an invisible perfect leaders in their midst {Matthew 18:20} of course they're imperfect humans just like everyone else but due to the help of God's Holy Spirit their translation of the Bible has helped them to have the most zealous preachers and teachers of God's word globally. So when other religions laugh at JWs saying they're not more than 8,700,000 throughout the world. What they don't realize is that each JW is an equivalent of a pastor in their churches. Now ask yourself: How many dedicated preachers do any religion whether Catholic, Anglican, Muslim, Buddha or any other religion has? Which of them can boast of up to 2,000,000 dedicated preachers and teachers of the word of their God?

Well that's just by the way, the translation of the JWs have gone throughout the world and fulfilled God's will by calling people of all nations under one umbrella {Isaiah 2:2; Micah 4:1} imputed the words of their God in their brains so that they all have the same beliefs just as Jesus prayed {John 17:20-23 compare to Isaiah 2:3; Zephaniah 3:9} turned their heads so that they're diverting all their resources into the production of food and information materials, and to worsen matters they all vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3

Which translation has done anything of that nature? James 2:18-26

You have not answered my question on hebrew1:7-9 . I said you should explain to me and also tell me if it mistranslation or not

MaxInDHouse:
The verse you quoted was misinterpreted Sir!

To illustrate, imagine a supernatural event occurred and you asked about five different eyewitnesses to relate the experience for you.
This is how each will relate it:
Lord Krishna saved the day ~ Hindu
Allah rescued those involved ~ Muslim
Ọ̀ṣun helped them out ~ Ọ̀ṣun worshiper
Ayélála stepped in ~ Ìkálẹ̀/Ìlájé
Jesus saved them ~ Churchgoer

And it will continue due to what each person believes. The translators of the Bible you're using believe in the TRINITY so they interpreted that text as "WORSHIP" but in other versions it simply means "OBEISANCE" not worship!


So, quickly leaving the memorial tomb, with fear and great joy, they ran to report to his disciples. And look! Jesus met them and said: “Good day!” They approached and took hold of his feet and did obeisance to him. Matthew 28:8-9
The same thing has happened to servants of God in the past for example

And she came in and fell at his feet and bowed down to the ground before him, after which she picked up her son and went out. 2Kings 4:37

Why didn't the translators of the Bible you're using say the woman WORSHIPED Elisha?
Well it's because they feel Elisha shouldn't be worshiped, whereas it's exactly the same thing Jesus' disciples did to him.

So it's the custom of the people in the middle east to bow down to someone they revere yet it doesn't mean WORSHIP to them!

Bros, please what do you think of Hebrew 1:7-9.... Do you think it is mistranslation too?

Who do you think is speaking in that instance?

Please I will like to hear from you.

Cause I see sense in some of things you say

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The Lord JESUS IS ALMIGHTY GOD! This is the infallible word of GOD. Does mankind in this world know everything there is to know about GOD ALMIGHTY - The KING ETERNAL?!

"O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!" - Romans 11:33

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." - Isaiah 9:6

"Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." - Hebrews 1:7-9

I don't think you know what you're saying. Abeg don't miss interpret the Bible. Christ is not God almighty. Reason he says he doesn't know when the world will end. Only GOD does.

In the Hebrew you posted GOD almighty was only acknowledging his son and giving him glory like he did when Jesus was being baptized. Please don't blaspheme again like that. Yes jesus is a God but not God almighty.

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GOD says that there is no Savior besides Himself - "I, even I, am the Lord, And besides Me there is no savior." - Isaiah 43:11.

In GOD - in the Person of the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST only - there is salvation from damnation for sin - "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” - Acts 4:12

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Before Abraham Was, I AM
48 Then the Jews answered and said to Him, “Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?”

49 Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me. 50 And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges. 51 Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death.”

52 Then the Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon! Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.’ 53 Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? And the prophets are dead. Who do You make Yourself out to be?”

54 Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”

57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”

58Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

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"And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you." - Exodus 3:14

If Jesus is God almighty, abeg who is the Father that Jesus was talking about?


I shall know you be Catholic

Amatarasha:
He refers to Yahweh and Jesus in form of Joshua who has been living since billions of years

really? So who is this Joshua. Is he just a prophet like Moses, Elijah, Elisha, Jeremiah, John d Baptist etc?

MaxInDHouse:
No matter how good, kind or nice a person is as long as he failed to accept Jesus as saviour he will perish!

A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good —except God alone. You know the commandments: ’You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.’ " "All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said. When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. THEN COME, FOLLOW ME." When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was very wealth. Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! Luke 18:18-24

Please isn't this man a good person?
Why must he join Jesus' group before he could be saved?

Well it's because there's no way anyone can meet up with God's will if he is not a Christian!
So if you want to know what God's will means i'm still very much with you.

Yes! I am now one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

lol I knew you were one. Na una believe jesus is an ArcAngel. Lol
Jesus is not Micheal bro. Make Dem no deceive you abeg. Jesus is different from Micheal.

MaxInDHouse:
It's the voice of the Archangel that will raise the dead and that's Jesus' voice! 1Thessalonians 4:16
All authority both in heaven and on earth has been given to Jesus {Matthew 28:18} so leave the Muslims, all of them are walking corpse when Jesus returns, because they can't know God's will talkless doing it.

Mind you the highlighted is what people in general believes throughout all religions but that's not God's will!

i think the highlighted should be what God use to judge. Cause to be sincere if you're not Rooted in your Faith all this athiests will push you to their side.
Beside I often ask isn't a good person better than a religious person even though the good person might not believe in a God. Shouldn't it be wrong to condemn such good soul to hell? Remember Jesus in one of his parables talk about the acts that can make you see God or show you are holy. So if a good person does 90% of that act apart from beliveing there is a God part ...he will go to hell?



By the way, weather with An archangel voice or not as long as the person sounding the call is still Christ.

I guess you're a Jehovah withness?

MaxInDHouse:
The translators made lots and lots of mistakes due to their background. So before you can get the accurate knowledge of what you're reading in the Bible you need to compare different versions otherwise the trinitarian dogma will navigate your line of thought.
Praying is part of worship and Jesus said some will actually call him Lord, Lord yet he will deny them. WHY? Because they failed to do the will of his father! Matthew 7:21-23

So instead of thinking about how to worship Jesus it's better to work on the will of the father which Jesus said is most important! John 6:38

Yes. Christ is right. But nevertheless in that context he was saying if you like call him Lord Lord, if you don't do the will of your Father. Be a good person, cloth the naked, feed the hungry etc. He is going to deny you.


Maybe the translators made mistake. But do you think they made mistake in that prayer part?. Because I don't think they will make such mistake.
Let assume hebrew was saying "Let all the Angels respect or pay obeisance to his Firstborn".

Now let's talk about Revelation where Jesus used the attribute or title of GoD.. will you call that mistranslation?
Let's talk about how Jesus said he will be the one to resurrect the dead doing resurrection. Ask the muslims, in the Quran Allah said he will be the one to raise the dead and here is Jesus ( just a prophet as you call him) claiming that he will raise the dead. Abi is that also a mistranslation?

Thank God you said praying is part of worship. Now can you tell me why Jesus told his disciples to pray to him? Because telling someone to ask you anything and you will do through prayers is worshipping.

You said praying is act of worship.
Can you tell me the things that makes up Worshipping.?

See, I'm learning from you ok.

MaxInDHouse:
We don't need to continue arguing over this, if we can't agree it's OK.
Each person is free to worship the God of his or her choice.
Thank you!

lol I'm not arguing. I'm telling you weather Christ or Elohim. You're not wrong.
Even God told the angels in Hebrew 1:6 to worship Christ ( his first born)
And like I showed you in John14.... Jesus explicitly told his disciples that they can pray to him. Praying weather you like it or not is worshipping.

MaxInDHouse:
During the time God made Moses a God does he deserves to be worshiped at all?
The answer is "NO!" But what about obedience? Well God dealt harshly with some Israelites simply because they challenged Moses's authority! Numbers 12:1-12

Thomas was a weak follower of Jesus so when Jesus knew that this faithful and obedient man needed to see some things before his faith could be strengthen Jesus put on the body with bruises to convince his weak friend that he (Jesus) is alive. But Thomas wasn't referring to Jesus as God, it was an exclamation out of amazement just as someone would see something unimaginable and scream:

"Oluwa o!"

"Ayélála!"


"My Lord and my God!" depending on what the person believes.

Jesus taught his followers to pray "in his name"

"You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide; so that WHATEVER YOU ASK THE FATHER IN MY NAME, he may give it to you" John 15:16.

Not to him!
All prayers must be directed to the father {Matthew 6:9} but in Jesus name!

This means the true God will not answer anyone unless you obey Jesus and do what he commanded! Matthew 17:5

Nigga, check John14;13. It is explicitly stated. Ask anything in my name and that I will do(meaning it he that will do it) so the Father may be glorified in the son.
Have you not come across John14:13?


You said Thomas was an exclamation. Oga even if it was, it is Jesus right to rebuke him just like he rebuke the man who called him 'Good'.
Lol weak follower of Jesus. Ok o.


Moses case and Jesus case are very very different. If God made Moses a God it is to two people. But he made Jesus a Good to all the inhabitants of the earth. Not just human, animals principalities and power.
He made Jesus name the only name or the most powerful name after His.
He made Jesus name above every other name that at the mention, every knee should bow and every tongue should exclaim that Jesus is Lord To God Glory.



Yes, Jesus did taught his followers to pray. He also charged them to pray with his name and pray to him. Check JOHN14:13 again to gain insight.


I do wonder what you will say about John14:13.

And finally what you will also say about Revelation22:13...... Where Jesus used God own attribute for himself when he said.

"I'm the alpha and Omega. The first and the last. The beginning and the end.".

Nigga you should know such title Jesus use belong to God.

Can Moses say such? After all. Like you said, he was also made a God. Lol

MaxInDHouse:
Yes! It was to be a temporary Godship that's why Moses died and never resurrected till today. Jesus Godship will last for a thousand years in which all the creatures in heaven and on earth must bow to Jesus' orders if they want to continue living. As for Satan, his demons, his human agents and all disobedient humans they will be exterminated before Jesus' reign ends! Luke 19:27

After the 1,000 years when Jesus has finished making all of us perfect he will hand over the Godship to the person who made him God over all. 1Corinthians 15:27-28

Please the word mistranslated to WORSHIP at Revelations regarding Jesus means OBEISANCE which connotes absolute obedience not WORSHIP. Jesus never taught us to worship him rather we are to worship the God who sent him, that is our father and God! John 20:17

lol. So you're saying the creatures in Revelation that we saw sang praises, honour and glory to the Lamb is not WORSHIP?
Ok let assume you're right.

By the virtue of GOD making Christ God.doesnt it mean he has given libety to people to worship Christ?

Secondly read Daniel7:13. It says hat all nations and language will serve him forever and ever meaning he will be a God to All nations forever. Directly and indirectly he will be Worshipped.
There is a reason Thomas called him his God and Jesus refused to rebuke.

Secondly when you pray to someone you worship that person weather you like it or not.
Jesus told his disciples to ask of him anything or ask anything in his name and that he will do.
Now for his disciples to ask something from him.... It has to be through prayers and when they pray you Christ , they automatically are worshipping him. You see?

AntiChristian:
The author of Hebrew is unknown and sometimes ascribed to Paul. Jesus never met Paul. So how will Paul say such?

For to which of the angels did God ever say: “You are My Son; today I have become Your Father”? Or again: “I will be His Father, and He will be My Son”? Hebrew 1:5
So where is the Angels worshipping Christ here?



How was the Glory shared and in what ration?

I am the LORD (YAHWEH); that is My name! I will not yield My glory to another or My praise to idols. Isaiah 42:8

Lol, ask Christ what he might be that. I didn't say it. The Christians didn't say it. Infact he said that twice.


Humans and angels were also called lord in the Bible. The lord is not Yahweh.
God's representative are usually called God in the Bible. In Gen 16:7-13 Jacob wrestles with God. We know he fought an Angel not really God!



What some disciples believed about Jesus
[b]18One of them, named Cleopas, asked Him, “Are You the only visitor to Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in recent days?” 19“What things?” He asked. “The events involving Jesus of Nazareth,” they answered. “This man was a prophet, powerful in speech and action before God and all the people. 20Our chief priests and rulers delivered Him up to the sentence of death, and they crucified Him[/b]Luke 24:18-20

lol. But you brought Paul's own words earlier. That's why I gave you hebrew.
Now you're saying it is Paul that said that. How can he say such. But you didn't know this when you were quoting same Paul in Conrintians etc.


By the way, that verse is in Hebrew 1:6. When he bringeth his Firstborn to the world he said and let all the Angels of God worship him.


I don't know how the glory was shared. That isn't my concern how it was shared. Wat concerns me is that he explicitly said that. And he claimed to have been before the world was created. Someone who the scribes even told he is not yet 40 yet how then can he have seen Abraham day?


The question is not bout him being called Lord. The question is that why would king David call his own grandson "Lord". It doesn't matter if it the angel kind of Lord or the leader kind of Lord.

Why will David called someone he hasn't even seen or met Lord?

I keep asking you this... How can a mere prophet claim to resurrect the dead doing the last day .
I'm sure in your Quran it is said that God will resurrect the dead...is that right?
Now Jesus claims he will resurrect the dead doing resurrection.... something only reserve for God.

Lol I hope this time around you will not blame Paul for this one above or that Jesus didn't say that. And there is no evidence of him saying that or that was put in his mouth by the early church fa..


After you finish answering this. We still have the book of Revelation to go too. That one go just finally end all this.
But let's deal with Jesus resurrection claim first. Lol


Can a mere Prophet claim this thing?

MaxInDHouse:
"And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. KJV

Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet. NIV

And the Lord said to Moses, “See, I make you as God to Pharaoh; and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet. RSV

Jehovah then said to Moses: “See, I have made you like God to Pharʹaoh, and Aaron your own brother will become your prophet. NWT

Pharaoh of Egypt was the greatest King of his time and God said he is making Moses as God to Pharaoh simply means Moses is given authority over all the Kings of the earth since he has authority over the greatest King back then.
For instance, imagine someone who can order the president of America, do you think the president of any country won't bow at the name of such a person?

This is very simple Sir.
It was later after his resurrection and ascension to heaven that many found out that Jesus is much more than a prophet, but based on what was written about him. He will be a prophet like Moses! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

I didn't write that Bible book, it's what God's word says!

ok. But Moses was only a God to pharoah and to Aaron. It just like "for the main time " kind of thing.

AntiChristian:
1. Did the Qur'an tell us to see Jesus as OUR Messiah? No! Even Jesus said i am not sent but to the lost sheep of the children of Israel.

2. Jesus is word of Allah as well as everything! Even you will agree that the Qur'an is the word of Allah! But Qur'an is not Jesus!

3. Jesus is the Spirit of Allah, yes! Adam was only a mould that was made alive by the spirit of Allah! Technically we are all spirits of Allah cos our Spirit/Soul comes from Him.

Then why don't you believe God word where he told the angels to WORSHIP Christ in Hebrew 1:5.
Why don't you believe wen jesus explicitly said he shared glory with God before the world began
Why don't you ask a question why Jesus didn't rebuke Thomas for calling him his Lord.
Why don't you reason why Isaiah talks about Jesus which such Reverence.

Why don't you believe when Christ said all power and authority has been given to him meaning all things in heaven, earth and under it have been subjected to him. ?

FERNANDEZISBACK:
And who says that everything works together in perfection?

everything works together in perfection. Everything in the universe. Except for man shall. But those ones na their freewill dey do them

FERNANDEZISBACK:
It's ok.. and how does my existence prove that there is God?

because without that God you will never exist.
When GOD created Man he spoke to himself. So our lives is in God. It is God that gives us life.
When God created the plant, he spoke to the Earth
When he created the fish he spoke to the water ... If a fish leaves the water it dies.
If we leaves God we die.
See?


Now, think of your self. How prfectly you were made. Well made. Do you think it by chance that you have eyes, nose, mouth, a brain. Do you think it by chance we have black, white, asains etc?
Do you think it by chance the universe work together in perfection?

MaxInDHouse:
The topic of your thread says:

"Help!! I'm Confused"

So if truly you want to be helped then you need to calmly consider what is WRITTEN in the scriptures before thinking about the dogmas misinformed Churchgoers are teaching their people.
Remember we must not add or subtract from what is found WRITTEN in God's word! Revelations 22:18-19

It's God himself that made Moses a God {Exodus 7:1} so i believe that if God Himself could refer to someone as "God" we don't need to question Him because He knows far better than we do! Isaiah 55:8-9

you're truly the one that doesn't even understand what you're saying.
God made Moses a God to Aaron and Aaron Moses prophet. There is a difference in this case.
But in Jesus case, in Hebrew God rightly said all the Angels should worship him.
In the book of Revelation. We see that all the creaturesin heaven praised and worship the Lamb ( Christ) so you see the difference?

AntiChristian:
Since you call me of cos i will help you interpret.


Please do. Sorry I won't be able to reply like you do. I no know how una for this nairaland dey take divide and answer this questions once.


Here you made the first mistake in red "Adoni" is different from "Adonai" though both comes the same root word they are pronounced differently. The verse is "Yahweh said to my "Adoni" not Adonai as you claim. And even if you check https://biblehub.com/psalms/110-1.htm "to my Lord" is translated from "Ladoni". And more so Lord and lord are created by the translators according to whatever they wish!

Let's assume you correct here.

"Adoni" is used for human masters and lords and never God. Adoni was used in 195 times in the Old testament and it means a superior who is human and occasionally angelic, created beings but not God.


So you are saying that Jesus is the superior Human or prophet to king David right?
But it began the question, why Jesus. How come David never even called Samuel or Nathan or any of the prophet "my Adoni?"


NB: "Adon" is the root word, "Adoni" is what is used for superior created beings like humans and angels (never for God) and "Adonai" is used for God and occasionally for elevated humans.
Let assume you're correct. It's still beg the question, how can a King( infact the greatest king of isreal called Christ 'His Lord?" That Adoni as you said?
If you need the list of where "Adoni" used here for Jesus is used for human masters/lords I will write them for you.


no need. Someone already said it the same word that Sarah use to refer to Abraham. But we understand Sarah's use of the word. We all know the husband is superior or head of the wife. .. the question is how can Christ be head of David to the extend David called him Lord.




David probably call Jesus lord as a form of respect. Jesus said of John the Baptist in Matthew 11:11 “Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist”. This is also for respect.

Lol, saying that someone is probably the greatest of prophets is different with another one, a King for that matter calling someone he has never met or ever seen and someone that hasn't even been born... Lord.





We Muslims believe Jesus to be a Prophet and not God or one of trinity!


Oh ok. Now don't you Muslim believes it is GOD that will raise up the dead doing resurrection? How come Jesus Christ is claiming that he will raise up the dead doing Resurrection? Something reservedfor GOD.
No prophet can make that kind of bold statement. This is not raising one or two, this.is raising billions of people and that takes immense power. So why is "Just a project claiming he will do the resurrection?"





1. Jesus prayed many times sometimes even putting his head on the ground to God.

Definitely. Jesus did pray to GOD cause GOD is above him and is his head just like Christ is the head of the church.


2. Jesus called God his Lord. Do Lords have Lord?

Lol. God is above Jesus so it normal for Christ to call GOD his Lord. Christ have never claimed equality with GOD




3. Jesus said "I am not sent but to the lost sheep of Israel". This means he was a messenger as Muslims claim.


Lol. Yes he was a messenger but not a prophet. Angels are messengers too but are not prophet or are they?



JESUS: A SERVANT OF ALLAH.


Well Jesus is a messenger of GOD. A prince is also a servant to his Father the king so it's in that context I'm agreeing with you



Matthew 23:8
‘But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your master, even Jesus, and all ye are brethren.”


Yes Jesus is our Master.



Here it is clearly proved that Jesus was servant of Allah, and that there is only One Master and He is Allah. In the Arabic version of the Bible this verse has been translated so that Jesus is meant to be the master whereas the English rendering is nearer the original sense. Lol.



GOD is definitely the head of Christ. Meaning he is Christ Master. Christ have never claim equality with GOD

Matthew 23:9
“And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father which is in heaven.”


GOD is Christ Father therefore he is also our Father

From this you will note that fatherhood and sonship is meant to be the relationship between the Lord and His servants: it is meant in a general sense and not specifically for Jesus.



Lol, really?... Let me ask you this. When Jesus asked his disciples... Who do people say I am? And the disciples gave varying answers including PROPHET. Why didn't he agree with his disciples and say , Yes those people are right. I'm a prophet.
Instead he asked his disciples but who do you say I am and the disciples also say prophet but Jesus didn't tell them they were right till Simon Peter spoke and said," you're the Christ. The son of the living GOD. And Jesus replied Flesh and blood have not spoken this to you but my father in heaven.

Now in this above, we can see the difference between Christ and the other Prophets. Abi is God baises to name Jesus as his son but leave the rest prophets as 'Just prophets'?





Matthew 24:36
“But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.”

You forgot he also said he will be the one to raise the dead. Something reserves only for GOD.



Mark 13:32
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

This is a definite proof that the Final Hour is unknown to any but Allah, thus Jesus’ knowledge is imperfect like all other men; Allah Alone is All-Knowing, Omniscient.



What about the one he said he is the resurrection and the life and he will resurrect the dead doing resurrection. An act reserved only for GOD


Matthew 26:39
“And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face and prayed, saying, ‘O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as Thou wilt.’ “

He also thought us to pray by saying "Our Father, so say something else.
He also raise his hand to the heavens in prayers when he was raising up Lazarus...so say something else
Jesus have taken different postures for prayers. Infact, he has even lied down flat on the ground praying.. so what are you saying?





We note here that the person speaking is unaware of Allah’s Will and realizes the fact that he is a servant of Allah. He (Allah) Alone can cause the change.



We also note that the person speaking also claim tthat he will raise the dead from death doing resurrection an act only reserve for Christ .


JESUS IS A SERVANT OF ALLAH

1. Paul allegedly said in Romans 6:16:
Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?


Now you can bring Paul lol.

This means if we obey God then we are God's slaves!


Certainly! But Christ isn't a slave. There is a difference.



2. Paul continues later in Romans 6:22:
But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.

Really! So you can quote Paul. If I bring another Paul's quote hope you will accept it without calling Paul the devil?





Here we see that those who have been set free from sins become slaves of God!

3. Luke also said in Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.

Here we see Jesus relegated to being a servant of God by Luke.


In Hebrew 1:6, it says .. and when he brought up his Firstborn unto the world ... He said "LET ALL THE ANGELS WORSHIP HIM". THATS CHRIST. GOD IS SAYING ALL THE ANGELS SHOULD WORSHIP HIM.
So why don't you believe this one too.
I know now you will tell me it's Paul deceit lol.



Allah says in the Qur'an that Jesus called himself a slave of Allah.
"He ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: Verily! I am a slave of Allah, He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet;"
Qur'an 19:30

So we see Jesus, righteous people are slaves/servants of Allah/God from the Bible and Qur'an!

Jesus said "FATHER give me the Glory I share with you before the world began. Show me Wich Prophet have such pre existence.

Jesus said "He Is the Resurrection and he will raise the dead doing resurrection. An act reserved only for God.

Thomas called Jesus "His Lord and his God" and Jesus failed to rebuke him but accepted it...why?

Hebrew1:6 said that GOD ordered the angels to worship his first born (Christ) but you refused to say that.

Micah 5:2. GOD said that Jesus origin is from everlasting but you refused to believe that.

Colossians. Called him the Firstborn of all creation. The image of the invisible GOD but you refused to believe that.

Jesus said he is the way the truth and life when there was another prophet there (John the Baptist).

John the Baptist said Christ is higher than him because he came before him when we all know John was born months before Christ. But even John said he can't even untie the laces of Christ. ( Same person you just said Jesus called the greatest prophet) but yet the same person is saying Christ is above him.

You forgot 1john1 that says "In the beginning was the word and the word was with GOD and the word was GOD".

Have you forgotten Daniel's prophecies about Christ?


You also forgot Hebrew 1:3 that says that Christ sat down of the right hand of his Majesty.


From all have listed, how can such a man be just a prophet? Reason na. Meaning of the statements Jesus made, no prophet will ever make it. For instance the statement of raising the dead doing the last day.


By the way have not brought the book of Revelation. I'm just using this one first. We will go there and there you will see who the Lamb of God truly is.

MaxInDHouse:
Church traditions may differ and interpretation may lead to endless arguments but God's word should be our guide.
God told the Israelites that He (God) will send a prophet like Moses {Deuteronomy 18:18} and warned that whoever refuse to accept the words He (God) will put in the mouth of that prophet will be condemned! Deuteronomy 18:19; John 3:17-18

So when Jesus came he expected his listeners to use their discernment to figure out that even though he is the prophet spoken of in the Bible book of Deuteronomy 18:15-19} he is much more than just a prophet.
But that's how God referred to him in that book.

Moses was a prophet, deliverer and God at the same time! Exodus 7:1
And Jesus is the same but the difference here is that while Moses is one of us {Adam's blood) Jesus is not one of us {John 8:23} because his origin is from long time ago before the creation of this planet. John 8:58; Colossians 1:15-16

then if so, how is Jesus like Moses since Jesus origin is from beginning before creation?then he is defined not like Moses.
By the way, how is Moses a God?I will like to understand. To be I presume Jesus is a God because of Hebrew that said when God brought his first born into the world, he said all the Angels should worship him. Secondly, because he was given Power, honour and authority over everything in heaven, on the earth and under the earth. But Moses wasn't given that. Was he?

FERNANDEZISBACK:
I see..but does that change the fact that they don't exist?

but at least you understand the difference between GOD, Jesus and the Holy Spirit?

MaxInDHouse:
Obviously you missed this part of my post:



I'm not Moses or Peter and neither am i God who uttered the statement in the Bible book of Deuteronomy 18:18-19

I only quoted what i found written in God's word!

is that so? Well I don't see him as such. The kind of statements Jesus made no prophet can boldly make such statements.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
I see..but does that change the fact that they don't exist?

no ofnce, but only a fool say that. Everything around you is an evidence of God. You yourself is an evidence of God. Perfectly created were you. You don't see your brain but it exist. God might have not been speaking to much doing our time now but he certainly exist.
The way the leafs dances with the help of the wind shows there is a designer of this all.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Why remove Christ from Jesus?
Is he not the same Jesus Christ?
And why will you call Jesus God since you say he's not same as God..?

Here is your statement
"Now from the above we can see why Christians call Christ God. When you have an authority over everything, you becomfe a GOD."
Why that way?he having an authority over everything now automatically makes him the same as your God or what?

He is a God yes but not the same almighty GOD. almighty God is the head of Christ just like Christ is the head of the church.


Let me show you the book Revelation
This are creatures in heaven that fell with their face down and worshipped the Lamb (Jesus). If those creatures can do it or should do it. Why can't or shouldn't Christians?


Remember the part of the Bible(Hebrew 1:6)
"When God first brought his first born until the world, he said let every angels worship him."
In other words, God is autorizing that Christ be worshipped

FERNANDEZISBACK:
But you differentiated and separated Jesus from Christ tho..
Jesus and your God are indirectly the same then... since you saying he also can be referred to as a God..

I separated between Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit.
Go up again and read it.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Why remove Christ from Jesus?
Is he not the same Jesus Christ?
And why will you call Jesus God since you say he's not same as God..?

Here is your statement
"Now from the above we can see why Christians call Christ God. When you have an authority over everything, you become a GOD."
Why that way?he having an authority over everything now automatically makes him the same as your God or what?

weather you call him Jesus or Christ na still same person you dey call. It doesn't matter.

Yes, Jesus is not same as GOD almighty because GOD almighty is his head just like he is the head of the Church. But nevertheless,he is a God or God because he has power and authority and dominion over all things forever. Like I showed you in Danie7:13. From there you can see that all nations will serve him and praise him forever. By virtue of that, won't you call that person a God?
Remember, Thomas called him His God and yet Jesus didn't rebuke him.
If you read the book of Revelation with your heart open. U can be able to learn more from there

MaxInDHouse:
According to what God told Moses, Jesus is also a prophet:

I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name. Deuteronomy 18:18-19

Apostle Peter confirmed that the verse above is pointing to Jesus of Nazareth:

In fact, Moses said: ‘Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to whatever he tells you. Act 3:22

So what exactly makes the CHRIST much more than just a prophet?

Well it's simple!

All the prophets ever raised were selected due to the interest they had for pure worship but the CHRIST was born to establish pure worship.
All other prophets were born through reproduction process but the CHRIST has existed before Adam himself so he's not just an ordinary human.
All other prophets were looking forward to see the CHRIST but he himself is the image of the invisible God. In what way? All other prophets committed blunders in one way or another but Jesus perfected holiness.
That is why God made him the model for all men to follow, so that if anyone is able to imitate CHRIST such a person will be allowed to live forever! John 3:16 compare to Matthew 17:5

Now God never said that about anyone not even the angels in heaven! Hebrews 1:5

Thank you!

Jesus Is a messenger of GOD but not a prophet. I think you should read the book of Revelation to gain more insight. To be able to differentiate the difference between prophets.

Jesus didn't just exist before Abraham. He was the Foundation on which all things were built. Reason the Bible explicitly called him the Firstborn of GOD creation.

By the way if Jesus were a prophet, don't you think he would have said the people that called him prophet were right.
Remember when he asked his disciples, "Who do people say I am" and they all gave varying answers like 'A prophet, Elijah etc' but yet to him none of them got it. I would have expected it true he was jus a prophet he would have said Yes, they're right, I'm a prophet of GOD. But then he asked his disciples, but who do you say I am? I'm sure many of them would have said Prophet but still he saw that as wrong but immediately Simon Peter spoke and said "You're the Christ, the Son of the living GOD" his reply to Simon was, 'flesh and blood have not revealed this to you but my Father in heaven'.
See , what I'm saying is that if Jesus was just a prophet, before Simon Peter had even talked he would have said to others disciples that called him a prophet that they were right, he is nothing but a prophet of GOD and he didn't.

By the way, I don't think a Prophet can claim to raise the dead at the regeneration but in the Bible you have Christ claiming to raise the dead at the regeneration. An Act only reservedfor God. The dead is like billions and billions of people. It not one or two people that a prophet bring to life some times but billions of people. How can 'just a prophet' do that?

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Have you forgotten what you folks always say..?
God the Father the son and the holy Spirit..
Or am I getting it wrong somewhere..

Jesus is not GOD Almighty. Jesus is the Son of God. Read the book of REVELATION for More insight. U will be able to understand the differences.

The Holy spirit is the Spirit of GOD. He is the active force of GOD. Every miracles, prophecies, visions any prophet or person might have done is through the help of the Holy Spirit. It is only the Holy Spirit that can search deep inside of GOD.

Now to Christ. Christ Is the first born of all creation. Meaning before anything were created, Angels, thrones or power and dominion was created, Christ was first created. That's why according to Micah 5:2, GOD talks about Christ to the people of Bethlehem Ephratah that though they be little against the Thosaunds of Judah but they're by no means small. And out of them shall come forth Christ whose beginning is from Old. From everlasting.
And we see Christ in the Bible constantly hitting on that. One of the things he said and I quote "And now Father, glorify me in your presence with the Glory I had with you before the foundation of the world was laid".

From the above, we can see Jesus not just claiming GOD gave him glory, we can also see he is claiming Pre existence before the very foundation of the world was laid. The world is like billion of years old by the way.

We see from another example when Jesus told the scribes that "Before Abraham he was". Remember, Abraham as existed at least 1000 years before Christ so how can Christ have existed before Abraham? That's why the scribes told him, you're not even 40 yet and yet you claim to have existed before Abraham.


Now as to why Christians generally call Christ God. Although we have never ever called him The Almighty God.

Now remember in the Bible, Jesus explicitly claimed that All power and Authority in heaven and on Earth has been given to him. It means every power weather the one in heaven, on Earth or under the earth has been subjected to him. matt28:18.
Now we see an example of that as we look at the old testament, the book of Daniel.
Daniel vision about Christ in Daniel7:13. He said and I quote, "I saw in a night vision, and behold 'one like the Son of Man' came with theclouds of Heaven and came to the ancient of days, and they Brought him near before him. And there was given to him Dominion, glory and a kingdom, that every nations and language should serve him. and his kingdom will have no end. It's forever and ever.

Now from the above we can see why Christians call Christ God. When you have an authority over everything, you become a GOD.

Now we can also see in Revelation. When power was handed over to the Lamb. See Christ is the head of GOD Government and by virtue of that, he's a God.

Now why did you think Christ didn't rebuke Thomas when Thomas called him "His Lord and his God?". We know if that were to be very wrong Christ would have rebuked him fast fast. John20:28.

I hope to hear a reply from you. Cause from the old testament I still gatz more that talks about this Jesus who have always existed.

cornelboy:
They believe the bible is corrupt. Pls don't argue fruitlessly with them.

Ask them this question: According to Koran all the prophets were sent with books just like Mohammed was sent with Koran, where are all the books today? Why no traces of them?

The books given to Abraham, Jesus, lot, Adam, Noah, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob et al...ask them where are those books?

They might say they were lost. Ask them why Koran wasn't lost. Mohammed is a scammer, he had some little knowledge of the Bible, he thought all the prophets and Jesus were given books. So he went ahead to forge his own book claiming it's from his God.

Lol. One of the reason I don't believe in Muhammad is because he believes Christ is nothing but a prophet when everything in the Bible points to the contrary on way Christ is more than a prophet. He can say Christ is not GOD I'll believe but to say he is a prophet only is clear dillusion.
From many of the Bible verses that talks about Christ it is shown this man beginning has been from before time eternity. And you want me to believe a person like that is only but an ordinary prophet. I laugh

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Have you forgotten what you folks always say..?
God the Father the son and the holy Spirit..
Or am I getting it wrong somewhere..

Yes you're getting it wrong. Can we chat on WhatsApp so I could explain more of this to you. I will use Bible reference to buttress my point. Just send me a dm on 08167623573.

Please do. I will like to know your opinion n why you don't believe in God or Christ