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vankelvin:


Perfect answer to a stupid question.
There's heat in Ghana so they should wear nylon-overall Or what?

no, other colours/combinations of uniform. Kenyans have turned you guys to 'ladies', picking offence over little 'nothings'.

Appisko:
So what should they wear? singlets and boxer shorts dump question from a dump person

how is that a dum b question?
West Africa has a hot climate, black uniform isn't good for service men. Those uniforms look heavy, it will make him uneasy. Learn to think with your head the n respond accordingly than jump in just to Yan nothing.

Appisko:
The whole continent combined is not a match for a country like turkey

you don't know what you're talking about.. is like you don't know Africans are more resilient than yemenis. Look what they are doing to Saudi Arabia

komekn:
When something is taken out of context it becomes a CON.

What qualifies the statement is context and that context is COMPARISON to Equatorial rain forest we have in the South. So by comparison the terrain is seemingly a flat land in reality it is NOT.

And if you are in doubt ask or research Google maps satellite is your friend. Where is the Sambisa forest please and what's the terrain there.

Nuff said.

Instead of you to say 'chai I don receive wooping' you stylishly turned it to Nuff said. Just Go to bed man.

kikuyu1:
I'm responding to Normal Human People-don't attempt to reply cogently. Nigga,you CAN'T!?

PER CAPITA SPEND

NAIJ 200 K TROOPS ............ 4 BN$ (HIGHEST) 20,000 $

KENYA 25 K TROOPS .............. 1.2 BN $ 48,000 $


We outspend Naij nearly 2.5 x!? Training,purchases,welfare,pay etc,etc. It shows on the battlefield.

what training exactly,
You're a comedian if you think you have even 1/4 of the weapons in inventory
Welfare, how are you better than Nigeria considering the purchasing power.
Etc in what exactly.
Thought you would know better, not to compare your military to Nigeria,
Have you successfully carried out any major drills of recent, how many countries do you train,
Do you know what foreign invasion looks like,
What exactly.
How many nation can you influence in AU.
How many nations have you rescued from crisis. Have you funded any military intervention. What meaningful military weapon upgrade have you carried out.

Y'all are bunch of comedians,
can't even place you ahead of Uganda let alone TZ.

Kenya has a population of 53,000,000
With a 25k military personnel
Defence budget is $1billion

Nigeria has a pop of 200,000,000
With 200k military personnel
Defence budget is $2.1billion
With extra budgetary allocation of more than $2billion from excess crude account and federation account, due to CTCOIN ops in the NE.
More than $4b annually.
How are they even comparable.

Mkenya2019:
Read again. Kenya security budget is 3B.

We spend 1.2B in defence - this modern force of 25,000 - that is well paid, well trained, well equiped and very proffesional. We do not need 360,000 militia like Nigeria or a million militia like Ethiopia that is underpaid, under-trained, ill equiped, poorly motivated and indiscipline.

We spend 400M dollars in Intelligence force of about 1,000 officers. This is also arguably one of Africa best intelligence services - that doesnt get entangled in action but provide actionable intelligence for police.

We spend the remainder in police - including paramilitary police that can waste Nigeria and regional army. That about 1.5B dollars. This for police force about 50,000

Kenya police - paramilitary wing police wing - complete with armoured personnel carrier, some helicopters to deal with cattle rustlers and internal terror

We rarely ever deploy KDF on internal matters. KDF for most of time has been used to provide international peace and security - all over Africa, Asia and Europe.

In short our police force are enough to waste Nigeria or Uganda or Tanzania army.

This our police force - para-military that deal with cattle rustlers and boko haram type - and leave KDF frying big fish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA-hXqJe_bY&t=513s

dang it, been arguing with an ignorant toddler.
You clearly don't know what defence budget is.
Now do some Google research on the meaning of defence budget, then come back for more schooling

Mkenya2019:
A country like Kenya that spend 3B dollars like Kenya as security budget annually - compared with Nigeria that spend 2B dollars cannot indeed be compared. A country that is unable to deal with home grown terror cannot be compared with world top 10 country that is promoting international peace and security. One country generates 1 million IDPS annually and has daily attacks. The other is largely peaceful.

A country whose oil pipeline along the coast are vandalized cannot talk about navy and ship industry. If you had some security - your oil industry would have grown, your minning industry would be as big as south africa, and you won't be world poverty capital.

Those are SALIENT comparison - not theoretical nonsense.

Start by spending at least 10B dollars annually in security - professionalize your security sector - and you can start comparing yourself with Kenya.

oh, so Kenya defence budget is now 3billion. Between yesterday to and today Kenyan budget increased by 200%.

You're a joker.
Now do a detailed study on function and variant of those equipments.

Then compare naval vessels and
Lastly the army.
I'm now really done with you, Mr comic relief.

Mkenya2019:
Yes I was absolutely correct in my intuition. Before the Russian left Nigeria - the incompetent militia had crashed mi-35. I am pretty sure by now they dont have any functioning one. YOU NEED TO DEAL WITH SOFTWARE ASPECT OF MILITARY BEFORE YOU WASTE MONEY ON EXPENSIVE HARDWARE.

2019 Jan
Five crew killed in Nigeria Mi-35 helicopter crash near Damasak as ISIS claims Yobe state attacks
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2019/01/03/nigeria-air-force-helicopter-crash-damasak-isis-claims-yobe-state-attacks/

2018 march - yet another crashed
https://www.defenseworld.net/news/23999/Mi_35M_Combat_Helicopter_Crashes_in_Nigeria__Five_Killed

2018 june - yet another mi-35 crashed
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2018/01/nigerian-airforce-attack-helicopter-crashes-north-east/

2014 - yet another crash
https://www.airforce-technology.com/news/newstwo-killed-in-nigerian-air-forces-mi-35-hind-helicopter-crash-4323164/

The Militia

Meanwhile, NAF officers have stated that six Mi-35Ms had been ordered without mentioning any Mi-17s. The first two Mi-35Ms were inducted in April 2017, with a second pair following a year later.

One of the new helicopters subsequently crashed on 2 January 2019. That followed the crash of a Mi-17 on 8 January 2018. The NAF denied the aircraft was shot down as claimed by the militant group known as Boko Haram.

majority of those were refitted and are back in action,
Do you know what is called air sorties, the attrition rate is minimal compared to even developed countries, those helis and aircrafts fly almost everyday and for hours, how do you expect them not to develop fault. Us crashed their f35 on many occasions.
The good thing is that all were either refitted or replaced.
How would you know what sorties and attrition rate means, when Kenyan airforce barely flies,
No single airforce in Africa flies the number of sorties flown by naf in a day. They carry out air raids in Niger, Chad and Cameroon.

Do you have an airforce.

Reminds me of those Kenyans that kept pushing the fake news of them having MI-28 . Took years before some could accept the reality, while others like you still believe you have them in secret locations.

NTSA:
Exactly .

but you know both militaries shouldn't be compared at all, it's a waste of time.
A country building warships, drones, aircraft parts, missiles, rifles, rocket pods, Apcs with upto 5 defence companies, to say the least,
Retooling massively shouldn't be compared to a country that lacks equipment, war experience, almost zero defence industry.
Compare
Equipments
Man power
Economy
Political influence
Defence industry
Ship yards
MRO
In house aircraft maintenance
Experience
Kenya falls short,
The gap is so wide.
Chill bro, not everything is up for a debate.

NTSA:
who is projecting superiority here?...i thought you said nigeria would take kenya in 6hrs
if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen

I wasn't joking when I said 'Nigeruan military will be in Nairobi, 7days into the war'


And please kindly tell your country man, to stop yapping about Kenyan Amisom ops, its stale, and nothing extra ordinary... I can understand your patriotic opinions but apply a little decency and sanity.

Whatever you do, never compare stuffs with these Kenyans, they lie to themselves, to feel good.

Kenyan military not even among top 10 in Africa with, zero economy to sustain a war for 6 months is claiming best in Africa, because they went on a peace mission in Somalia.
Its ludicrous, humorous and preposterous to say the least.


That means TZ that successfully invaded Uganda should claim world best then.

I'm done here for good, damn low minds arguing for arguments sake.

This time it's really

Mkenya2019:
Liberai and Sierra Leone are some of Africa weeakest armies with 2,000 troops each or less. If that is Nigeria or Ecomog only bragging right then it has nothing.

Ecomog like Nigeria militia require constant French Army to deal with regional issues. Without 5,000 plus french troops - Islamic jihadist would drive west african into the Altantic Ocean.

Look at Amisom - Kenya, UG, Bu and Ethiopia have fixed Somalia - one of world toughtest place.

I'm done with this pointless argument, its so on necessary.
Enjoy your seperior Kenya militia.
Whatever you do, I'd advice you tell your militia not to drag ish with Rwanda, UG or TZ in real life, theyd woop you real bad.

On a serious note, whatever made you think Kenya intelligence agency is even at par with African big 3.
Do you drink changaa too ?

NTSA:
Do you think Nigerian military is ever going to take on a peer sized military In the foreseeable future.?

Won't argue with you on military matters again, if you think you have a superior military, good for you.

Just a question, must you project your country above others in everything.?

It looks cool until you discover only insecure kids do that

Mkenya2019:
I don't need prays. Nigeria need them. This year alone - Nigeria Militia has been unable to prevent "Conflict and violence led to 169,000 new displacements in 2020 and about 2.7 million people were living in displacement as of the end of the year, ...:

IDPs in Nigeria increased by one million in last one year

is there a military in Kenya, I bet you one week would be too much to capture Nairobi, this I'm sure of.

Guerilla warfare are the most are the most difficult to win. Ask the British why it took them years to defeat Irish insurgents and had to quickly sign a peace accord.
Or why it took Srilanka 20 years to defeat the Tamil tiger insurgents.
If you claim you're intelligent,you should know
Guerilla tactics coupled with ideologies that involves suicide bombers isn't an easy one to overcome.

Again, one week is too much for Nigeria to harness Nairobi, this I'm 100% sure of.
At least it would be conventional.


Comeback when KDF have successfully Wade of foreign invading armies not some bunch of rag tag boys in another country under Amisom

NTSA:
Muslims or no muslims is not the problem....we are in the era of 4th and 5th generation warfare and militaries must learn and adapt accordingly seems Nigerian army are still using 3rd generation war tatics while fighting a 4 th generation warfare .Thus cannot be called a modern army.
Boko boys are infact quite advanced in 5th generation warfare .. They are controlling the ' narrative/ perception about the north through the cyberspace ( disinformation )...While Nigerian army are still stuck in 3 rd generation warfare.when will the Nigerian army ever tell their story ? [b] When will they ever win the hearts and minds of the Northern populace? [b]

and you think they haven't won the heart of Civilians in those villages?
We even won the hearts of the terrorists to point of them submitting in droves to the superior power of the military.
Again, you're basing this argument on Kenyas foreign mission in Somalia, go read the history of Ecomog ops in Liberia and seirra Leon.
How troops were air dropped through parachute. and how an average Liberian feels about our troops.
Nigerians were in Somalia before Kenya became a true nation

Terrorism thrives on islamic ideologies and poverty, compared to many nations, we've fared well in our fight against ISWAP/ ISIS /BH.
Restricted to fringes of the lake Chad region.

CTCOIN requires a flexible approach, because it's dinamic.

Mkenya2019:
That kind of stupid comparison doesnt excite me. What works is the output - are Nigeria safe? Military should respond to threats. There are countries with no standing army. They have zero threats of external or internal aggressions.

Nigeria spend about 2B (used to be 2.5B dollars) on 360K militia - and Nigeria is one of most insecure nation on earth.

It simply mean you defence is not upto the task.

Simple advice. Spend more. Modernize. Train better. Equip better. Bla de bla.

Any state or country most important function is to provide security to it's citizen. It's to guarantee the right to life. Everything else next.

Yen Yen Yen....
One thing I'm sure.of, if Kenya had same percentage of Muslims as Nigeria, it would long have failed.

You should implement those suggestions on your military.

Mkenya2019:
What is the role of the army? What is the effectiveness of Nigeria Militia? The militia with about same budget as Kenya but with 360,000 underpaid, ill-trained, ill equiped troops?

If you do not know what defence job is - then let me help you.

The main task of the military is usually defined as defence of the state and its interests against external armed threats.

Has Nigeria done even half the job. NO. Annually one million Nigerians are being sent to IDP camps. Daily hundreds are getting killed. Lots of kidnapping. Jihadist are killing christian almost for sports. Fulani herdsmen are driving south killing almost at will. That is a ZOO NOT ANY DIFFERENT from SOMALIA. It's dysfunctional...both military and police.

And you want to talk about random terror attacks in Nairobi and Mombasa by lone wolf? Are you that crazy?

Nigeria Militia SHOULD NEVER be taken seriously except by fellow Nigerians.

I can even listen if you talk about the Egypt or South Africa or Kenya or Rwanda... those at least are able to do their BASIC JOB.

Nigeria? Go milk a camel or something more productive.

what makes Kenyan military modern or better than alshabab?
Those rusty tanks and f5 fighter jets, or what?

Come let's talk when you have a decent SF unit.

Thought we settled the issue of defence budget, we spend nearly $5b in defence yearly.
Your old, rusty, grand pa tanks, ships or f5 belong in the museums

Mkenya2019:
In short you're a Nigerian. The rest of your gibberish sound like Nigeria Militia defence. Kenya Defence force is a modern army. Not comparable to your country Militia.

now let's start from you telling this noble house,what makes your military modern?
Or more modern than even Lesotho army?

Then,we show our arsenals and war success.



Nigeria was the first African country to use armed drones, infact only 4 countries have used armed drones against enemies, Nigeria became the 4th or even 3rd, do you even know what that means... That's one of the parameters to qualify for the title of a modern military.

Puuf puuf kraka puuf!!!
Yen yen yen

Mkenya2019:
Kenya police are as corrupt and inept as Nigeria police. They are slightly better....than Nigeria. From videos I have seen...Nigeria openly demand for bribes and erect crazy roadblocks everywhere. Their uniform look shabby and they dont look like they went through any serious training.

Kenya army are very disciplined professional - respected globally. Nigeria army is militia.

Kenya Intelligence is one of Africa best.

yen yen, there's this pic of Kenyan police dancing awilo, with his legs hanging in the air.. can't get the pics.

Only few countries in Africa compares with Nigerian police in uniform neatness, SA and I think GH.

The rest like Kenya look weird on uniform abi uniform look weird on them... Something Sha looks weird [center][/center]

Mkenya2019:
Show me a better Intelligence service in Africa than kenya. The number of terror attacks foiled in Nairobi are staggering. Islamic terrorist see Nairobi as prized target because of presence of all global media - who has made Nairobi their HQs,, the United Nations HQ and the fact that Nairobi for the longest has been closest alley to Isreal - outside South Africa there is thriving Jewish community in Kenya - the large presence of white population. Nairobi also connected hub. We sit in the neigberhood of Somalia, Sudan and such messed up Islamic countries.

Kenya NIS - whose budget is now 400M usd - for a small force of about 1,000 people - is one of Africa most highly paid and trained - works closely Mossad, CIA and British spy agencies.

This is why we handed over your KANU Biafran to Nigeria forces in a week, Ocalana to turkey and name them.

The Kenya intelligence was only hobbled previously because they were not allowed to carry arms. They are suppose to hand over intelligence briefs to corrupt and inept Kenya police. But now they are allowed to carry pistols and handle threats that cannot wait.

That part 'corrupt and inept' of policing is an African thing and same reason Boko Haram and bandits haven't been defeated in Nigeria.
Army would clear out Bandits, and the police wouldn't want to take over from there.

Army is expected to be every where.
Nigerians are naturally stubborn only the military command respect here,
The rest paramilitary we take them as .

Outside Nigeria, the police is seen as among the best in the world, but within the country,
Religion and tribalism coupled with corruption wouldn't let them behave properly.

mtisTheQubit:
so you agree your cities are zoos heeh
An please will you stop using Opera..its an an ancient browser bro...

I have many browsers on my phone, for my remote jobs and online activities.
I only use opera for irrelevant stuff like Nairaland.

mtisTheQubit:
Sorry naija folks..i was wrong ..ya city is better than Johannesburg

gallivant:
Kenya is ahead of Nigeria my friend. Nigeria is in danger of being included in the failed state index. Wake up before its too late oga.

ok madam,

Mkenya2019:
Look at this fool. A proffesional, modern army, knows how to win local support. Go study KDF and what they are doing in Alshabaab in Somalia. Kenya troops are now "loved" by the locals...unlike the Ethiopia who went there in a flash, terrorized locals and name it.

Part of having a well trained army is to equip them with COUNTER-INSURGENCY TRAINING.

This is what Kenya armed forces are very good. First phase is to attack them heavily. Second phase is to win local support.

Kenya syndrome.
Kenyan Economy is bigger than Nigeria,
Reason, Nigerias GDP figures were cooked.

Kenya education is better than Nigeria,
Reason , Kenya University campuses are sky scrappers.

Kenyans speak better English than NIGERIA
Reason, Kenyans are next to British.

Kenyan roads are better,
Reason, they are building an elevated 'bridge' road.

Kenyan military is better than Nigerias.
Reason, 1,Kenyan soldiers invaded Somalia through river.
2. Kenya learnt ct-coin ops
While Nigeria rolls in tanks to fight BH and Nigeria that has an institution dedicated to CTCOIN isn't as good.


So, as far as everything is concerned, Kenya is better than Nigeria in the foreheads of every Kenyan

kikuyu1:
Look at these operational pix. The first was when the Som op kicked off. the 2nd series are the NA convoys. A mission critical bit of kit is missing among the Naijjans. Hint:comms. Also the NA vehicles are civvy with camo.

The "shocking" state of the Nigerian army has delayed plans for a military intervention in Mali, amid reports that it lacks the capability to fight on the frontline.


10 yrs ago.


[url]https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2012/nov/05/nigerian-army-mali-mission-delayed/url]
Nothing has changed in a decade!? comparison.

you mean Kenya soldiers on foreign mission.
You need comms for foreign missions not internal skirmish that you can easily identify your enemies.
I would be surprised if your coming convoys went on foreign mission without basic stuffs like military Comms.

Then talk of Mali mission, France no ever wanted to have the Nigerian military involved in Mali, reason they massively supported the chadians.
But again we proved our strength in Gambia, with our fighter jets in the sky, naval vessels on water and SF units on ground. It was a successful mission.

Now, tell me, can Kenya do that without asking UNs support.

NTSA:
https://allafrica.com/stories/202110180235.html
How the Nigerian military paid cash to buy back an anti-aircraft gun that posed a threat to President Muhammadu Buhari, who flew through the endangered airspace to his hometown, some 80 miles away. Kidnapping gangs had seized the anti-aircraft gun during a clash with a military unit.

the story came out false. Anti aircraft guns can't bring down a jet 80miles away,not even 10 miles.
And then the President has visited MAIDUGURI on many occasions yet bokoharam posed 0 threats, how will cattle rustlers be a threat.
Most of those stories are just to entertain people like you,

Nigerian military is above your league

Mkenya2019:
Defeat Boko Haram, Kidnappers, Cattle Rustlers and Jihadist before you waste so much word

at least you got my point.
Defence budget×2
Hard wares x10

Mkenya2019:
Replace Ethiopia with Nigeria. You lack what makes a good army. The results is obvious. Boko Haram, Kidnappers, Islamic Jihadist and name it have made Nigeria insecure.

Kenya army is well funded, well motivated, well trained, very disciplined, proffesional and modern army. An army that is regularly called to provide peace keeping mission in Europe and Asia. KDF train regularly with British Army.

The army is not having a million soldiers paid in peanuts with rusted equipments. That is MILITIA like Nigeria and Ethiopia.

Kenya has 25,000 troops with twice Ethiopia defence budget - about same with Nigeria - with 360,000 troops. Think about that. You see how 10,000 troops of Ethiopia Def force are being arrested daily. They have very old rickety guns and are walking or hitching lift in old lorries.

Africa need modern lean force like KDF. Find me another Africa force with such impressive peace keeping mission profile - that tell KDF is a world class disciplined force.

https://mod.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/index.jpg

Even without adding extra budget allocation and all other billions added yearly we still spend double of what you spend.

And we can't even compare military hardwares.
With your $1b defence budget, show me your military kits and equipment.
Playing puppet status to UN peace keeping missions doesn't make your military good.

Nigeria went to Gambia recently not under any UN mission, yet with fighter jets patrol the sky's of Gambia and naval ships docked at their sea port waiting for directives from Nigeria. The president has to step down or face bombardment from all fronts.

We were in darfur Sudan and help stabilize the region then even before Kenya knew itself to be a nation.
We influenced SA liberation from apartied, Zambia, Namibia name them, fought in bush war.
The list is a list itself.
Ask a Kenyan why do you think Kenyan military is a military?
Answer would always be:WE ENTERED KISMAYO FROM SEA.?
Really

In the 60s when Chad invaded some Nigeria islands, we almost took their capital within a day of fighting. That's what makes a nations military, not invading a bunch of rag tag militia from river and calling it a big thing.
It shows how low you can be.

I repeat UN missions are for puppet nations, want to know how big a nation is,
Look at their involvement in missions.

theenchanter:
don't let the kenyans hear u, or else, na mall per capita u go hear.

No,
2 Rivers mall has another 500 malls inside it.
And naivas has 1500 malls inside it

Each of the shelves in a Kenyan mall is a mall on its own.


If Kenyans don't shock you who will?