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jl115:
block 2 my friend

yeah seems so

Nemesis4you:
Myanmar bought block 2

I read sometime ago that they had to go for block 1 cos the block 2 was taking to long to produce, can't find the article now. Guess I was wrong then

Stormtrooper11:
It's an Indian article tho. I didn't expect them to be neutral

The purpose is to demarket the plane. But as much as they tried, the article still points to lack of maintenance on the part of the Burmese military Due to sactions.
Same issues that grounded the Nigerian Airforce Jaguars, which the Indians still use till date.
But I trust NAF, and with her good maintenance culture the jf17 is in good hands.

Lurker4Long:
Technical Problems Ground Myanmar’s JF-17 Fighter Jets Bought From China

Most of the newly acquired Chinese and Pakistan-made JF-17 fighter jets that the Myanmar regime has taken delivery of have been grounded due to technical malfunctions, according to analysts and former Myanmar Air Force pilots who monitor the junta’s air capabilities.

The JF-17 fighters—lightweight multi-role combat aircraft jointly manufactured by China and Pakistan—that the Myanmar Air Force has added to its fleet have structural cracks and other technical issues, they told The Irrawaddy.

The aircraft, which are supposed to be capable of interception, ground attack and bombing missions, have turned out to be unfit for service, and the Myanmar military lacks the technical expertise to fix the problems, they added.

Myanmar reportedly inked a deal in early 2016 to procure 16 JF-17s from China at a cost of US$25 million each. A first batch of six aircraft were delivered to the Myanmar Air Force in 2018, but details about the other 10 are not yet clear. The deal made Myanmar the first country outside China and Pakistan to buy JF-17s.

Myanmar regime chief Min Aung Hlaing put four of the malfunctioning JF-17 fighters into commission at a ceremony at the Meiktila air base in December 2018. Two more were commissioned in December 2019 as the Air Force celebrated the 72nd anniversary of its founding.

Jointly manufactured by Pakistan Aeronautical Complex and Chengdu Aerospace Corporation of China, the JF-17 was initially designed to balance India’s Air Force. They are equipped with Western avionics and powered by the Russian Klimov RD 93 aeroengine, and set up on a China-made airframe, according to analysts. They can be armed with air-to-air mid-range guided missiles, 80-mm and 240-mm rockets, and 500-lb bombs.

The critical part of the JF-17 avionics is the China-made KLJ-7 Al radar, which has poor accuracy and maintenance problems, analysts say. The aircraft does not even have an effective beyond-visual-range (BVR) missile or airborne interception radar.

Malfunction of the Weapon Mission Management Computer has caused launch zones of BVR air-to-air missiles to shrink during combat exercises, according to experts.

Furthermore, the airframe is vulnerable to damage, especially in its wingtips and hardpoints, when the aircraft encounters strong gravitational forces, according to a former pilot of the Myanmar Air Force.

Problems after purchase

As the avionics and electronics installed in JF-17s are made with parts from Western countries, the Myanmar military purchased the fighter jets through middlemen between 2015 and 2020. Following the coup, the European Union imposed sanctions against the Myanmar military and arms brokers, and the Air Force now has no spare parts for the JF-17s, according to analysts and former pilots.

The trade embargo also makes it impossible for the Myanmar military regime to directly buy missiles and bombs for its JF-17s. The regime meanwhile has forged a partnership with the Pakistan military, sending weapons system officers from the Air Force and Air Defense units to Pakistan for training from time to time.

For the Myanmar Air Force to carry out deadly air strikes on ethnic armed revolutionary organizations and civilians, it mainly needs air-to-surface missiles, and it reportedly held talks with Pakistan to order these as well as bombs and rockets. Around May this year, a cargo plane from Pakistan loaded with JF-17 spare parts landed in Myanmar.

Technicians from the Pakistan Air Force made a secret visit to Myanmar in September during which they set up a JF-17 simulator for pilots of the Myanmar Air Force at Pathein air base, and also solved some technical problems. A JF-17 weapons system officer however said the weapons system of the JF-17 is too technically complex for Myanmar pilots to handle, according to former pilots.

Current situation

Thanks to the JF-17s’ poor accuracy, the Myanmar Air Force still can’t use them for combat four years after they were commissioned. This has led the Air Force to rely on Russian-made Yak-130 and MiG-29 fighter jets and China-made K-8 fighters, said analysts.

While the Myanmar Air Force has spent a large sum to procure malfunctioning aircraft from China and Pakistan, arms broker Dr. Naing Htut Aung has earned millions of US dollars from the deal, The Irrawaddy has learned.

At the 72nd anniversary event for the Myanmar Air Force, Min Aung Hlaing boasted that the Myanmar Air Force started with Tiger Moth planes, but now has hangars filled with modern aircraft including supersonic jet fighters, transportation aircraft, and assault and transportation helicopters.

He made no mention of the Air Force’s unusable JF-17 fighters.

https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/technical-problems-ground-myanmars-jf-17-fighter-jets-bought-from-china.html

Myanmar went for block 1, there's a reason the Nigerian airforce waited long for the block 2
According to NAF the Aircraft is good, and are making good use of it.

vaxx:
most of the known ranking institution have consistently ranked Ghana university. It is a known phenomenon. Way back it has always been the best in west africa and one of the top seven in africa by any known reputable ranking institution like times higher or QS ranking.


I graduated with both chinese and india students and too many Lebanese.

higher times has always placed UI ahead of any Ghana University let's be guided when making bold statements in comparison.
Only recently did I start seeing GH University and it was like a major news to notify Unis here to wake up.

Shma2022:
Village mindset.

ma'am I thought you slept already,


Well.

Okay


City Mindset makes you think, foreign military coming to train your military means they are now professionals.

Y'all are learners in Kenya.


Reason, you budget $1.2 dollars with zero new military purchase year on year.
Outdated war machine.
With more than half of the $1.2billion, stolen by your pot bellied generals whose shirts cannot be buttoned due to excess stomach fat

rvp20182:
Before you hit the sack, where are we with boko haram.

KDF train with British and American army - world class.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7mBsPGCNoI

we have past training with US forces, we now hold exercises with foreign countries.

Whatever your military has achieved we achieved x5

Our army no longer Training with the US, we don't want US influence on our army,
We discovered that they train and secretly instil in them the desire to overthrow govts

Shma2022:
Al shabab was wrecking havoc between 1970- 2005. Your military was joyriding. They did nothing. We had to initiate operation "Linda inji" ( protect our land) cos the militia were becoming too much! The day we deployed our military in Somalia, peace has since been restored. Yes, the action was quite consequential, but we're now enjoying peace.

whatever makes you sleep well at night.
Good night ma'am

rvp20182:
UN peace keeping. Kenya were in Europe, Asia and name them.
Please defeat Boko Haram
And we might respect you.

Those places you listed, Nigeria been to more European countries and Asian countries x5 of times Kenya been there.

Ever head of Burma war,
The Japanese were so much afraid of the Nigeria soldiers that simply ran when the heard Nigerian troops are advancing.

Who cares about your respect, maybe youbshouod rather respect Turkana people and provide food for them. Isn't that enough disgrace to Kenya?

gallivant:
Look at Somalia today, failed Nigerian mission.

Kenya only entered Somalia when the heat was getting close to your Capital. And alshabab had already began raiding Kenyan city. So you had to enter to secure your interest, nothing special.



Okay... You have been noticed Ma'am.

Shma2022:
Logistic performance index proves us otherwise - Kenya is doing better than Nigeria despite her 4 times Kenya's population.

Budget-wise, if we go per capita way, then we beat Nigeria by far.
Men in uniform mean nothing! Uganda has more military men than kenya, but they obey our rule.

Being in DRC means nothing. Stop M23 then we can talk.

Kdf has captured one of the most dangerous city in Somalia - Kismayo(Alshabaab hotspot). Not even Americans dared; we went there with brain and strategy - majority of African military lacks that.

some history for you, this was when the maumau were been deballed by the British our men were at your backyard saving Somalia

.

Nigerian troops in somalia

Far back as 1993

rvp20182:
Why would Boko Haram even exist if you have proffesional, well trained, well educated army. SURELY.
What you need is Tonje moment - because you have to fight with YOUR BRAIN

Tonje retired 23yrs ago but remain revered - his gift - was his brain - always top in class

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/commentary/article/2001370813/new-kdf-boss-must-not-disappoint-daudi-tonje
Few soldiers make lasting and memorable impact. They often do things for the common good because those things need doing. They care for the ‘commons’ rather than for individual advancement but, in so doing, they inadvertently advance their interests in terms of positive legacies.

One Kenyan soldier fits this bill well. That is Daudi Tonje.

Gen (Rtd) Daudi Tonje, one of the celebrated KDF officers, carried out a revolution in the military. Introducing professionalism, merit and world class standards that endures to this day.

stop capping nonsense,
If I decide to post Nigerian military success home and abroad, it will derail the thread.

We were in Goa in DRC long before Kenya even had a military,
The Nigerian military were the soldiers that took over from the US during the 'black Huck/Alshabab period when the later failed in their mission. We were among the first countries that formed
UNISOM(United Nations mission in Somalia).
We fought in Somalia, Sudan, and DRC/ZAIRE.

As far back as early 60s we were already in DRC then ZAIRE.

We drove a sitting president away from Gambia when he refused to relinquish power to his successor in 2018 and secured it with our special forces. Our Navy entered by sea our air Force jet patrolled the skies of Gambia. And our army we're on ground to fight, the president had to run.

We almost single handedly liberated Liberia and Sierra Leone during their Civil war. Go read up the battle for mammy Yoko.

We only recently pulled out of UN missions when we needed our experience men to deal with ISWAP in the sahel region and Boko Haram, and indeed they ha e been defeated.

Kenyan military just entered foreign missions and have tasted the sweet money one gets from fireing countries, so you seem to like it like a new wife, don't worry even Ethiopia at some point was the highest contributor to UN in terms of soldiers. But now, no one is interested except Kenya.

Whatever you think you have or are doing, the Nigerian military does it x5.

Men
Equipments
Logistics.
Army
Air Force
Navy.
Etc

rvp20182:
Nigeria has 360,000 military with almost same budget as kenya - with 25,000 troops - and you can see why KDF is more effective - welfare (paid 3-5 times Nigeria, all have life insurance of upto 100,000usd if they die, and are equiped with latest equipments).

KDF troops in DRC enforcing law and order

Nigeria has a cumulative budget bigger than all subsahara African country and 3rd biggest in Africa, just behind Egypt and Algeria. At $5billion while Kenya is just $1.8billion.

Nigerian army just won Africa's best land forces 2022.
Learn to measure with your equals. Nigerian military is way above your reach.

https://punchng.com/nigerian-army-wins-africas-best-land-force-award/

Odunayaw:
The only good thing about it is that I had a sigh of relief

Local man was only about aliens & mysterious revelations

It's good to know his soldier salutes to Eve's daughters

his quire behaviour is that of one deprived of that kind of pleasure.


He is really leading a very lonely and painful life. To him everything is a conspiracy.

kikuyu1:
The young niggas, you mean? Let them! They know where you I am! Come to think of it they've been wayyyy quiet these past few hrs. Maybe, [b]just maybe [/b]they're offline in the real world looking for a Sanchi and that magical place to take her instead of 24/7 ululating about non existent J/Uke wins or Naij Mopol mechanics posing as Special Forces Olympics.
I hope so!

why do you disturb yourself with another country's AF?
Rather than post half naked women why not drop one picture of your military here,that relates to the thread topic.
I think you are actually the most jobless and annoying poster here.

You have enough starving and dieing kids in Turkana to worry about.

gallivant:
Who will end Nigerian exploitation if you go pandering in Central Africa? I am going to assume your ideas as wishful thinking.

bla de bla!







Well, good thing is, you've been noticed at least...

rvp2018:
Obasanjo is now Nigeria president? or am missing something here. This is more a personal visit.

I'm referring to DRC president

GeneralDae:
Wow quiet a number of Nigerian industrialists there. It means we are already ahead of Kenya in business with Dr Congo. Not just talk or celebration of one or two banks. Nigeria even have three banks doing well on average in Dr Congo.


Amb. Leke Adebiyi will serve as e Interim Secretary. Obasanjo and President Tshisekedi Tshilombo are the Patrons.

The delegation to the DRC included Sanginga, El-Rufai, Anambra Governor Chukwuma Soludo, retired Gen. Martin Luther Agwai, Professor Bart Nnaji, Professor Peter Okebukola and Amb. Robert Adeleke Adebiyi.

Others were Semiu Kolawole Adesina – Sahara Energy Limited Nigeria, Ajibola Adebutu – Founder, JB Farms Lagos Nigeria, Stella Okoli – Founder, Emzor Pharmaceuticals, Edem Adzogenu–Co-Founder, Afrochampions, and Jimi Lawal, El-Rufai’s senior advisor.

I really wish we can look beyond, investment and help them deal with some security problems. That country needs honest support from AU, a lot has been stolen and still being stolen from that Rich vast country. We can immediately summon UG and RW leaders to stop supporting M23, and then we seek ways to stop the exploitation, off course with reduced taxation on our businesses.

While some countries celebrate because their banks entered DRC.

Others are busy upgrading theirs to involve Govt-Govt partnership.



Obasanjo spoke in Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of Congo when he led two governors, four industrialists, security and energy experts among others on an investment drive.

The ex-leaders trip to the Central African country was upon a request from President Felix Antoine Tshisekedi Tshilombo.

https://dailypost.ng/2022/11/01/obasanjo-announces-nigeria-congo-business-council-el-rufai-appointed-vp/?amp=1




Next the president will request we help them deal with Rwandan incursion into his country, militarily.

Well, we have been to Congo under ZAIRE nothing stops us from going there again to loose her from the Ugandan and Rwanda grip.

That's how big brothers role.

rvp2018:
The zoo has huge window of opportunity to turn back the tide if they elect Peter Obi - otherwise Atiku is usual northern fool and Tinubu is washed up.

just shut up and go to bed.
You clearly are trying to make sense from nonsense in the end it will still be nonsense.

73massacred 4yrs ago, and it made news, worry about those lives lost in Kenya due to hunger and negligence by your govt. Why should most arable lands be used for farming tea and flower instead of growing grains for local consumption?

Wuoche:
80% of Tanzanian buses are fabricated in Kenya, the remaining 20% are from China.

Assembled in Kenya, not fabricated

Wuoche:
These ones are on their way to Tanzania. They are from AVA.

so you agree you import and assemble to export, good one though. If it were more than that, they AVA, would use AVA and not Scania branding.

Wuoche:
Another buses exported to Tanzania. Notice the AVA logo on the windscreen.

if you wish to refute my point please do so at least with pictures of the plant they are 'manufactured' let's see.

Wuoche:
The only thing we import is the chassis. Everything else is made in Kenya. If you look at the lower windscreen on the left you will see a logo written AVA. That's the fabricator.

my point still stands, you only import to reexport to TZ

Wuoche:
You are celebrating carrier bags while Kenya export buses to Tanzania? How many carrier bags do you think will equal the price of one bus?

re-export to Tanzania is a more appropriate word to use.

You only import and export to Tanzania, with 0 modifications, so whats there to be proud of?

Fini

ABJ

Abuja
Nigeria

Shma2022:
That's not my idea, ask the person who recommended that.

Transportation
Mombasa has both rail, sea, pipeline, and road transportation.
Abuja has only rail and road.

Sanitation
I don't have data, for this. But with the high rate of open defecation in Abuja, the rank will definitely be lower.

Schools
... There are more international schools in Mombasa. We established this on another thread. More universities and other learning institutions.

Health facilities
I can't tell. I have no data.
Population
.......?
Economy
Mombasa has a GDP of $7.7B while Abuja has $5.8B.
Housing.
Mombasa wins.
Tourism
Mombasa wins.
Eco friendly
Mombasa wins. And Nairobi was ranked number 4 in Africa after cape town, Tunis, and Marrakesh.

You have google maps. We can use that to check your streets. You don't need a cameraman to help you.

how did you switch from Nairobi to Mombasa, all lies though.
BTW what's pipeline transportation
Do you guys travel in pipelines in Nairobi?

Forget it, Abuja is not your regular African city.
It's a Serene city yet big things happen their. More like Western standard...
While Lagos is Africa's social capital.

Shma2022:
My bro, Nairobi Is too much for Abuja. But
since I promised a picture test, I will not disappoint.

So, I will post 4, you post 4. Until we exhaust them.

People should not interfere with this test. Any interference will mean immediate disqualification.

I will start.

I only have 30mins here. So we should finish this as quickly as possible.

Nope comparisons are not dobe that way.
It's bland to just compare stuffs like that,
Rather you compare key areas, like
Transportation
Sanitation
Schools
Health facilities
Population
Economy
Housing
Tourism
Eco friendly
Etc.

Posting random pics, will definitely not go well,
Kenya is all about Nairobi, so youve got a thousand pics... Abuja doesn't get filmed regularly. So yeah!