gbengaijot:

So does that mean that the likes of www.duduradio.com , www.gbedu.com , and www.radiopalmwine.com pay royalties at all?. i mean they only broadcast Nigeria musics and i don't think such things work. Or does it?

I don't really know what agreements they have in place, its still a bit of a grey area, if they are playing only Nigerian music its possible the copyright holders are not aware of their rights.
If any of these stations is operating out of the US or Europe and they don't have any legal agreements in place (as par royalties payment) then they run the risk of a heavy fine if the copyright holders find out and then decide to enforce their legal rights.

gbengaijot:

Yeah you are right @ijebu man. Lets say you are broadcasting music online like duduradio, www.radioabeokuta.org , It cost a lot of money to use live 365( to some certain extent). I am only suggesting using a streaming software for broadcasting music> But how legal is it to broadcast music over the internet? without paying loyalties?.

I'm sure you meant royalties Yeah it is expensive to use live365 thats why i eventually shut down the station i was running after 5 years, even though i was making some money from it, it wasn't enough to cover the cost of running it.
If you stream music on the net and you don't have any legal cover (i.e paid royalties etc) then you run the risk of a heavy fine. Your ISP will provide your full details the minute they get any aggro from the BPI - The British Phonographic Industry (in the UK) or its equivalent in the states

gbengaijot:

Live 365 is very expensive, pirate radio is a good option. If you want more information please .

if its online then its not really pirate radio. There's no law against broadcasting online. Its what you broadcast that will determine if its legal or illegal (depending on the country). If you're broadcasting your own content then its ok but if you're broadcasting music you require the copyright holder's permission. (This is all set out in the DCMA - Digital Millenium Copyright Act for those in the US, the UK has a similar one)
Using sites like Live365 means you don't have to bother with such issues as they handle all the legal issues for you.

skima:

yeah

i explored the site yesterday (live365). only needed some recommendations.

so how is it been like and which of there services will u advice me to go for, and is it good for a nigerian based station.

e seun eni ooo. olohun a gbe when.

Better to start with the basic package, the P100 and upgrade as your audience increases. I enjoyed doing it but it was an expensive hobby as the money coming in wasn't covering the costs. When i started off Live365 used to run it for free until record companies started making a lot of noise about copyright infringement.

There are a few Nigerian stations (not based in Nigeria) like Radio Abeokuta http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?searchdesc=abeokuta

you can also try shoutcast http://www.shoutcast.com/

if its an online station, you can set one up through http://www.live365.com. I used to run one (online only) for 5 years at http://www.listentosoul.co.uk/ using live365.com

@ono
The whole 'his hands are tied thing' is just an excuse. Everyone has a choice. If a directive goes against your conscience or a company is involved in unethical practices, you have a choice. Personally i could never work for a company like Shell, the role they played in the whole Ken Saro Wiwa saga and their collusion with Abacha leaves me with the impression they will do anything in pursuit of profit. Its worth reading a bit more about Shell and its 'practices' around the world - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Dutch_Shell

I'm not condemning any Nigerian who works for Shell, to each his own. I'm sure there are people there who feel they can make a difference from the "inside". From my experience the only people who can make a difference in a multinational like Shell are the shareholders, everyone else is dispensable if they 'rock' the boat.
The Nigerian government can not drill for oil on its own, if the oil companies don't drill the government doesn't get any money so it hardly matters if Shell owns 1% or 30% it can influence government policies if it wants to.

There are far more effective and intelligent ways for the people of ND to fight for their rights. Violence may make a difference in the short term but i doubt it will ever provide a long term solution.

demmy:

And Basil Omiyi is from where? Niger delta.

I guess he is a stooge too.

The saddest part is, i doubt if the man will have the necessary power to make any changes. The people who make the decisions that affect Shell's operations in Nigeria are in the boardrooms in Europe.

To be honest picketing Shell's HQ and their major filling stations in Europe will achieve much more than militants blowing up pipes and polluting their own environment.

They look like a group of boys who've been watching too many American films.

Jakumo:

Actually the prices of light weapons tend to drop significantly in war zones. Currently in Liberia, Sierra Leone or the Democratic Republic of Congo's former bad-lands, an AK can be picked up for 100 US dollars or less, which is about 15 thousand Nigerian naira.

Capitalism at its finest. The arms dealers must be rubbing their hands with glee at the opportunity of another conflict in Africa

ababoy1:

@Ijebuman/Bagoma, and the other old school fans, Where una?

I still dey here o

babagana:

Return to Eden?

the great mini series from Australia, yep i definitely remember .

Anyone remember Thorn birds, North and South and Lace

LadyC:

The statement that the Bible contains “no accurate predictions of the future at all” should be read with deep skepticism.

Same with any view expressed by the likes of Sungenis and Grant Jeffery (sources posted by you in earlier posts)

LadyC:

Just a suggestion: in researching these issues, you should look at not just the secular side’s point of view (which may not be as neutral as you may think), but also the Christian side’s point of view.

of course no side is absolutely neutral, that is why no side should claim their views is the absolute truth. It is making that claim that opens up people to ridicule when what they claim as the truth doesn't happen as predicted.

From The New York Times

Some of the current violence is a backlash against the Nigerian government's recent anti-corruption successes. But over all, Nigeria is not strong enough to solve its own problems. The Bush administration, with its good relations with Nigeria and with oil companies, is unusually well positioned to broker international arrangements that would enhance transparency in the flow of oil dollars and development in the Niger Delta.

Sub-Saharan Africa is on track to double its oil production in the next 10 years, when it will likely supply up to one-fourth of America's imported oil, much of it from Nigeria. Now is the time for the American government to pay more attention to this region.

Danger Signs in Nigeria
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/27/opinion/27mon2.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

gbengaijot:

Has anyone read Ken Wiwa Jnr account of his father's struggle recently?, ,

I've read Ken Jr's excellent book 'In the Shadow of a Saint'. Saro Wiwa used his influence to bring attention to the situation in the delta and in the process made the world aware of the environmental situation.

Other threads on this issue have gradually turned into heated discussions where Nigerians from outside the Niger delta are insulted and vilified. If people want to sensitize other Nigerians to the appalling situation in the delta then post images, record what is going on and share it with us.

Hero:

Expect to see a massive growth of the Nigerian Military mechanism and other security branches with in the next couple of years; a growth in which will be heavily aided by the US government. Mark my words; the greatest victors in this situation when the dust clears is going to be the Nigerian Military, by a long shot.

@Hero your post is spot on. I said something similar here https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-4704.0.html#msg158141

The thing is Nigeria's future is now tied to America's longterm economic masterplan. At a certain point the Americans must have decided that it is better to keep Nigeria one by ensuring its military is well equipped rather than encouraging or supporting the groups fighting in the delta.
America may say Nigeria is a "failed state" but that has not stopped them from supporting the Nigerian Military. If the Americans truly believe Nigeria will implode, then it would make sense for them to support the groups fighting in the delta not the Nigerian military.

China is America's biggest concern, in the coming decade Africa with its many untapped resources will be the battleground for the two nations.

LadyC:

What you've been pretty much posting is information that really hasn't opposed the information on the website.

The vast majority of scholars and historians who read the Bible today hold that it contains no accurate predictions of the future at all. Instead, it is the readers of the Bible who are actually creating what they see as "prophecy". This common psychological tendency is known as postdiction, retroactive clairvoyance, or prediction after the fact. In the last century this view has been accepted by many in Judaism, Catholic Christianity, in theologically liberal branches of Protestant Christianity, and in Unitarian Universalism. However, this view is totally rejected by Protestant Christians affiliated with Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism.
rest here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_prophecy

Hope that clarifies that bit

@GL
No problem, if this thread is in the christain only section then it becomes a christain only discussion and i will respect that and not inflict my 'scoffing' views (apologies to LadyC  ) on it.

LadyC:

That was not the sole basis for the comparision of Solana to the Bible's description of the Antichrist. There are other similarities. Anyway, I already responded to this earlier in the thread, but you dismissed it because of the article's author, rather than the article's information. That's like saying, "Hitler said the sky is blue. It must not be blue.", instead of looking up and checking to see if he's right. Here's an excerpt from the article.

easy, if i discredit the author, i expect you to produce other sources refuting the 666/616 mix up. The fact that you're sticking to Sungenis shows thats the only thing you have to dispute it. There should be tonnes of stuff out there disproving it.
But like the article points out:
The National Post quotes Elijah Dan, professor of philosophy and religion at the University of Toronto, as saying the new number won't likely have an impact in the popularity of 666.
"Otherwise, a lot of sermons would have to be changed and a lot of movies rewritten," he said with a laugh. "There's always someone with an active imagination who can put another interpretation on it. It just shows you that when you study something as cryptic and mystic as the Book of Revelation there's an almost unlimited number of interpretations."
666 wrong number of prophetic beast:
Newly examined Scripture fragment lends credence to argument it's 616
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44169

Some of your postings on a previous thread references this site as well.
Are We Living in the End Times?
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-1892.32.html#msg139864

LadyC:
Now, back to the purpose of this thread – discussing the end times. In addition to the very first message I posted on this thread, here’s more on fulfilled signs.
<snip>
Is all of this just coincidence? I don't think so. That takes more faith to believe than to simply recognize that God has caused events to fit precisely into His predicted scenario.

Source: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41959

Yet you accuse me of posting "half truths and lies" when i actually got the information from the same site you referenced. 

I've also posted information from the UK foreign office which disputes the myth of a European superstate.
Regarding the Hitler hypothetical situation, if Hitler says the sky is blue i'll double check with a neutral party to confirm it

LadyC:

Could March 2006 be the beginning of the demise of the U.S.? http://www.gracethrufaith.com/ikvot/iran-vs-america-and-the-us-port-sale

from the link you posted
LEAP now estimates there's an 80% probability that the week of March 20-26, 2006 will be the beginning of the most significant political crisis the world has known since the Fall of the Iron Curtain in 1989, together with an economic and financial crisis of a scope comparable with that of the 1929 Stock Market Crash.

well we'll find out next month how true this information is. I've highlighted the get out clause which will come in handy if this event does not happen.

My bad
Just to clarify when i say Africa doesn't even feature in any of the so called signs. I was saying it in the context of the role Europe plays in bringing on the end times (e.g producing the Anti christ, 666, impact of the EU).
And thats why i asked if Nigeria had a role to play in any of the signs that will lead to the end.
You could point out that parts of the middle east fall under Africa, which will be correct, so i should have said 'Sub Saharan Africa' to illustrate where i was referring to.

As regards to 'The Nigerian case' anyone well versed in African politics can make a similar prediction. African leaders are not known for leaving office voluntarily. (thats why the few that do so are well respected )

Overall an interesting observation, may be you should start a thread on it

@choice.A
Then i suggest you read LadyC's previous post where she starts talking about dates, that is why i've asked her for a date (an exact year will be a good start  )

LadyC:

Considering all the recent news regarding the 2007-2013 time period, it is very significant that Tony Blair should state that the world has until 2012 to do something about climate change. Many Christians are feeling that these seven years could be the fulfillment of Daniel 9:27 and the book of Revelation, marking the seven year tribulation.

LadyC:

3. The EU Neighbourhood Policy, a seven year stability agreement with the EU and 16 Middle East nations, of whom Israel was first to sign, lasts from 2007-2013. To be ratified on January 1st, 2007 (Daniel 9:27).

4. Some other related "prophecies" (dark side) are from the Mayan Calendar, which is supposed to end in the year 2013. [Actually, the Mayan Calendar ends on December 21st, 2012. - LadyC]

5. It is also reported many "psychics" (dark side again) are not able to see into the future past the year 2013. I can't corroborate that, but that's what I heard, and is interesting if true. Why wouldn't demons let psychics see past 2013 unless something dramatic would have happened in that year, like Christ's coming Kingdom being set up?

[Note: Demons do not know the future. Only God does. But demons, who do not have our three dimensional limitations, can  know that certain things are happening and about to happen. From observing what's happening, they can guess what the likely future scenario will be. - LadyC]

6. Iran is expected to have nuclear weapons anywhere from 2007-2009, possibly fulfilling the prophecy of a Russian/Muslim invasion of Israel, in Ezekiel 38-39.

7. The EU is working towards implementing its 2010 Headline Goal, a military response group capable of being launched anywhere within the world in 5 to 10 days. If the years 2007-2013 turn out to be the tribulation period, the EU will have a force capable of fulfilling the Antichrist's invasion of the Middle East after the covenant fails (Daniel 11:40-45)

8. Now Tony Blair says the world has just seven years, or until 2012, to fix the global warming problem. This corresponds with descriptions in the book of Revelation regarding the plagues that will cause men to blaspheme the name of God (Revelation 16:8-9).

She might as well come out and say its 2013. If she's so sure of the signs then she should just say so rather than using confusing vague statements. (and then using quotations from the bible as a get out clause about not knowing the true date)

From the above post, it is logical for me to ask her to reveal the date if she is so sure of what she has posted.

Here's what the UK foreign Office has to say about the European Constitution

Tackling myths about the European Constitutional Treaty

Myth Five: The Constitutional Treaty creates a European superstate

THE FACTS

The EU is an international organisation
The first article of the Treaty (Article I-1) defines the European Union 'on which Member States confer competences to attain objectives they have in common'. The EU has no powers of its own, only those which the UK and the other members have agreed to share.

The limits of EU authority are set out clearly for the first time
The Treaty sets out where the EU can act. Powers not conferred on the EU remain for the nations to exercise.

Nation states set the agenda
The Treaty creates the new post of President of the European Council (the decision-making body of national Governments). The full-time President would replace the current rotating system of six-monthly Presidencies. This will make the Council more coherent and more effective. Britain was a strong supporter of this idea. It will mean national governments working in the Council will be better able to set Europe's long term agenda and ensure it is delivered.

National Parliaments have a direct say for the first time
The Treaty gives national parliaments new rights to scrutinise proposals for legislation, to ensure that the EU acts only where it will add value. If a third of national parliaments reject to a proposal, it is sent back to the European Commission for review.

The Queen will remain the Head of State
The President of the European Council will not replace any head of State or Government. He or she will not act as Head of State or outrank Heads of State, including The Queen.

We keep national vetoes over key areas
Over the most important areas – tax, social security, foreign policy, defence and the UK's contribution to the EU budget – unanimous agreement is still required. Over asylum and immigration we remain out, only exercising our right to opt-in when it is in Britain's interest.

Read the rest here
http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1107293025866

LadyC:

What's your point? Just because other generations thought they were the generation to see Christ return does not mean that there won't ever be a generation to see Christ return. As I explained, our generation looks like the one most likely to see Christ return since Israel is actually a nation now and because of the other events going on around the world.

If its the last generation then it shouldn't be too difficult to provide an actual date, rather than using vague interpretations that previous generations used. Previous generations used the same book of revelations to claim the end was near even before the creation of Israel.

1666
For the citizens of London, 1666 was not a banner year. A bubonic plague outbreak killed 100,000 and the Great Fire of London struck the same year. The world seemed at an end to most Londoners. The fact that the year ended with the Beast's number?666--didn't help matters.
1967
When the city of Jerusalem was reclaimed by the Jews in 1967, prophecy watchers declared that the "Time of the Gentiles" had come to an end
1977
We all remember the killer bee scare of the late 1970's. One prophecy prognosticator linked the bees to Revelation 9:3-12. After 20 years of progression, the bees are still in Texas. I'm beginning to think of them as the killer snails.
1981
One author boldly declared that the rapture would occur before December 31, 1981, based on Christian prophecy, astronomy, and a dash of ecological fatalism. He pegged the date to Jesus' promised return to earth a generation after Israel's rebirth. He also made references to the "Jupiter Effect," a planetary alignment occurring every 179 years that supposedly could lead to earthquakes and nuclear plant meltdowns.
1982
It was all going to end in 1982, when the planets lined up and created magnetic forces that would bring Armageddon to the earth.
1997
When Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat signed their peace pact on the White House lawn on September 13, 1993, some saw the events as the beginning of tribulation. With the signing of the peace agreement, Daniel's 1,260-day countdown was underway. By adding 1,260 days to September 1993, you arrive at February 24, 1997.
http://www.raptureready.com/rr-date-setters.html

LadyC:

I really don't feel the need to respond to your myriad links and ancillary information. That was not my goal in posting on this thread. Ideally, it was to talk to like-minded people about the obvious signs that Jesus Christ is coming soon. I guess that was too much to hope for.

And yet you keep responding to my posts. I'm flattered 

LadyC:

As I and another poster posted earlier, arguments of merit, in this case, are ones that directly address the similarity between what the Bible prophesied and what is occuring in the world right now.  Not ancillary arguments about how people have set dates in the past and being wrong, or about the questionable theory that the number is 616 instead of 666, or about how every generation thinks that they're the generation to see Christ come or etcetera.

Then prove its 666, like i said recommendation 616 doesn't really have the same doomsday feel to it. That was the basis for claiming Solana could be the antichrist.
You're not even sure of your information and that is why you keep using words like 'may or may not be the “seven year covenant with many”' and 'I am not saying that Javier Solana is the antichrist'. Once Solana leaves his current position the antichrist will conveniently become someone else. (probably the next UN secretary, Pope or US president)

The usual get out clauses when the prediction doesn't turn out the way you expected. Very soon Russian/Islamic alliance will change to Chinese/Islamic alliance, once China becomes a major superpower.

Tying current political/social events to the book of revelations has been done since biblical times. The events and actors keep changing but the book remains the same.

LadyC:

Those are beside the point. An effective argument would be one that substantively rebuts the view that specific Biblical prophecies have been fulfilled, e.g., the return of the Jews to Israel and Israel becoming a nation (the prophecies are listed at www.aboutbibleprophecy.com), the events that have occurred and are occuring in the European Union as outlined in www.timesofnoah.com/EU.html, and other fulfillments of specific Biblical prophecies that you apparently want to write off as "vague".

If NASA can easily send probes to planets millions of miles away, if scientists can predict if an asteroid is going to hit the planet or predict when a comet will pass close to the earth. Then it shouldn't be too difficult to identify an exact date or identify who the Antichrist is, without using ambiguous representations that provides a get out clause every time the event fails to materialise.

LadyC:

Wrong - this is what I mean when I say people who want to be scoffers should make sure they are fully informed first. The  prophecies in the Bible about the end-times assume that the Jews would have their own land again. See http://aboutbibleprophecy.com/ for the many Biblical prophecies on this topic. For centuries, this was not the case.

Yet that did not stop previous generations from making predictions about the end of the world
http://www.raptureready.com/rr-date-setters.html

Its quite interesting how you skip information and only pick the things that give credence to your views.
Just like you've used "666" now you're using "7". You conveniently skipped the response i gave for Grant Jeffery's time calculation and other articles by christain scholars

If i was actually going to be convinced by your points, i expected you to confront the issues i've raised, not hide by calling me a scoffer and then use another vague passage in the bible to support another sign

The information i've provided is freely available on the web, the information you've provided is also on the web. What makes your information more valid than mine ?
But thats the problem with religion the minute someone has a different opinion, people start using fear tactics or they roll out the book of proverbs to insult.

Anyway i'll be back to look at your last post, hopefully it'll have something worth responding to 

GL:

I believe that the end is very near too. Take Nigeria for example, everything seems to be falling apart. The 'threads' holding us together are wearing out fast.

Unless Nigeria is now one of the triggers for the end of the world i don't see the relevance. As far i know Africa doesn't even feature in any of the so called signs. 

GL:

The civilized world seems to be preparing for war. With the talk of nuclear weapons and all. The religious divide is becoming more pronounced.

Nothing new humanity has been fighting wars since the begining of time. The choice of weaponry may have changed over time but it is still man using tools fashioned out of the earth to kill his fellow man

GL:

America is close to an energy breakthrough that will break their 'addiction' to oil. The oil-rich countries (Saudi Arabia, Nigeria etc.) would suffer heavy losses, especially as some depend solely on oil.

Will not happen for the next 20 to 30 years. And China is likely to overtake the US before then as regards to oil consumption

GL:

There's always one new disease or the other.

Plagues and diseases have always been mankind's constant companion since early times.

GL:

I read in the papers last year of a prediction of some planetary mishap involving the earth (i think we're going to collide with some other planet) in some years to come.

Unlikely. May be an asteroid or a comet but another planet i don't think so. The laws of physics will have to be rewritten for that to happen.

GL:

Tsunami, hurricaines, floods, earthquakes

Earth is in constant motion. Has been happening since time began. I mentioned Krakatoa in a previous post

GL:

aircrashes etc.

Are we talking about Nigerian aircrashes?

GL:

There has never been so much knowledge and wealth in the world as we have now, but there are still so many problems. There's so much food but people are dying of hunger.

Just like they did 100 years ago, 200 years ago

GL:

Global worming, and other environmental problems.

Nothing new. Remember the ice age

GL:

The middle east is still very shaky, we can't really say what will happen 2moro.

I'm sure the old testament has enough stories about the violent history of that part of the world

Lets calm down a bit. Nothing is going to happen. This time next month no one will remember this incident and then something else will happen and then we will go through the whole cycle again.

Why i'm not worried? quite simple. Majority of Nigerians do not have the foresight or patience required to effect social change. We think social change can come through occasional violence, crying out to God etc. People want instant results and when they don't get it they give up.

Change requires sustained action, not our typical fire brigade approach or knee jerk reaction to everything. Who will fight if they realise that it may take them 30 to 40 years to achieve their goal.

Then you also have the religious factor. As long as people wrap themselves in the cloak of religion, nothing will happen because religion absorbs most of the social frustrations people have.

Nigerians only react to incidents when it affects them personally. We don't really have this culture of standing up for each other (its every man for himself). You want to understand the true psyche of a Nigerian, then study the behaviour of Nigerians abroad.
A lot of Nigerians are victimised all over the world, but its surprising that even where avenues exist for many to seek redress (and probably even get compensated in the process ) they refuse to do so, placing their trust in religion.

As usual this crises will play itself out till the next one and the next one after that

some more information in a previous thread on Ifa
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-4427.0.html

Can definitely relate to the over dependence on technology. I've gone back to basics, by now using a diary where i write down my appoinments and addresses. My Palm Pilot decided to reset itself (wiping out all my information in the process) while i was travelling.
It wasn't funny i felt so helpless, the minute i got back i put the damn thing on ebay.

LadyC:

To the contrary, it looks like you've been working pretty hard to convert people to your belief system which I would say is a "religion"

sorry to disappoint you, i'm not offering anyone anything except information.

LadyC:

- a religion which comprises of a seemingly passionate aversion to Christianity.

Its a passionate aversion to any organised religion. If God gave us free will, why is man trying to take it away by using fear (and even violence) to convince his fellow man that his own religion is the only way to communicate with God.

LadyC:

Yes - what you've been posting really does boil down to what supports your belief system.

exactly and what you've been posting supports yours.

Here's what other christains have said (i wonder why this information is not on your site as well  )

from 53 AD to 2060 (specific dates identified)
Date setters keep trying and they also keep failing
http://www.raptureready.com/rr-date-setters.html


Prophetic misfires destroy faith. Timothy P. Weber wrote: "Many loyalists will be bothered to see how many times their teachers' minds have changed and how easily they have substituted one sure fulfillment for another,  Many of the popular Bible teachers have missed the mark on numerous predictions, especially on the date for Christ's return. Yet they rarely explain or apologize; they just move along with newer, updated editions or different projections" ("If the Rapture Occurs, This Magazine Will Be Blank," Christianity Today, Jan. 11, 1993, pages 60ff.).
No one knows
rest here: http://www.wcg.org/lit/prophecy/return/return2.htm

One logical question all Christians should ask themselves is: "When is Jesus Christ going to return?" When I read my Bible, I run across words like, "For ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh" (Mat 25:13). I also read, "Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come" (Mat 24:42). I understand that to mean, "You're not going to know until I come for you."

Other people throughout history have read the same words of Jesus and have come up with different interpretations of what He intended. They've somehow managed to get around all restrictions against precise date setting. On a number of occasions, by doing so, they created pure havoc. The following is a list of some past failed attempts at date settings and some dates yet to come.
<snip>
An untold number of people have tried to predict the Lord's return by using elaborate timetables. Most date setters do not realize that mankind has not kept an unwavering record of time. Anyone wanting to chart, for example, 100 BC to 2000 AD, would have to contend with the fact that 46 BC was 445 days long, there was no year 0 BC, and in 1582 we switched from Julian Years (360 days) to Gregorian (365 days). Because most prognosticators are not aware of all of these errors, their math is immediately off by several years.

I believe we will never know the exact day of Christ's return for His Church. It is God's nature to act independently from man's thinking. If He returned on a date that someone had figured out, that person would deprive God of His triumph. When it comes to His glory, God doesn't share the spotlight with anyone.

rest here: http://www.raptureready.com/rr-date-setters.html

Does the bible predict the end of the world
http://www.elite.net/~ebedyah/PastorsSite/weeklystudies/questionsalways/study8.htm

LadyC:

God doesn't have to name specific names and dates. The specific nature of the prophecies should be enough of a clue. If that's not enough and you demand specific names and dates, then that is unfortunate.

Correction. Man wrote the bible. And the only reason why specific names and dates are not mentioned is because it allows the information to fit any period of time. Is it any surprise that every generation has always used the same information to say it is the end times. Because no specific names or dates are used the information will remain timeless (and of course adaptable for any generation)

LadyC:

As an aside, it looks like Ezekiel predicted the year Israel would be re-established. The following is from http://100prophecies.org/page3.htm.
Ezekiel predicted when Israel would be re-established
Bible passage: Ezekiel 4:3-6
Written: between 593-571 BC
Fulfilled: 1948
   In Ezekiel 4:3-6, the prophet said the Jews, who had lost control of their homeland, would be punished for 430 years. This prophecy, according to Bible scholar Grant Jeffrey, pinpointed the 1948 rebirth of Israel. Here's a summary of Jeffrey's theory:

This information is from Grant Jeffrey's book 'Armageddon: Appointment with Destiny' first published in 1988 then later revised in 1997. Jeffrey predicts in the book using his studies of cycles that 2000 will be the end.

[p. 185] ", I have discovered several other indications which suggest that the year A.D. 2000 is a probably termination point for the "last days", thousands of pastors and believers around the world that are receiving a quiet assurance in their own spirit that the Second Coming of the Lord is quickly approaching, 'the times of refreshing" are now at hand is not leading to any fanaticism."

Further critique of Grant Jeffrey's time cycles
http://www.seekgod.ca/raptured.htm
http://ad2004.com/prophecytruths/Articles/Prophecy/proph.html


Timeline of unfulfilled Christian Prophecy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_unfulfilled_Christian_Prophecy

The vast majority of scholars and historians who read the Bible today hold that it contains no accurate predictions of the future at all. Instead, it is the readers of the Bible who are actually creating what they see as "prophecy". This common psychological tendency is known as postdiction, retroactive clairvoyance, or prediction after the fact. In the last century this view has been accepted by many in Judaism, Catholic Christianity, in theologically liberal branches of Protestant Christianity, and in Unitarian Universalism. However, this view is totally rejected by Protestant Christians affiliated with Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism.

Critics of Bible prophecy state that prophetic verses are largely vague, and are ambiguous enough to allow an excessive flexibility of interpretation. Others claim that there are prophecies which either were not, or could not be fulfilled within certain time frames which have already expired. The remaining prophecies which do appear to have been fulfilled are attributed to coincidence, or to being written after the fact. The establishment of facts related to events two millennia ago makes scientific proof of specific prophecies problematic. A more general criticism of prophecy purports the lack of definitive scientific evidence of precognition.
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Bible prophecy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_prophecy

forgot to include this in my last post
I wonder where this strange historical event fits into (so true about international politics no permanent friends just permanent interests ) The iran-contra affair (western/iranian alliance)

The Iran-Contra Affair where the US sold weapons to Iran via Israel
According to the Report of the Congressional Committees Investigating the Iran-Contra Affair issued in November 1987, the sale of U.S. arms to Iran through Israel began in the summer of 1985, after receiving the approval of President Reagan.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/Iran_Contra_Affair.html


That i refuse to be bamboozled by your misinformation i'm now a scoffer . Unlike you i'm not trying to convert people to my "religion" (i don't have one) but i will continue to provide alternative information that disproves a lot of things you post.

You can look at an event from a logical or illogical viewpoint, the choice is yours. If my car suddenly stops working i could attribute the fact to
1. a mechanical fault
2. my enemies who have somehow used their superpowers to stop my car from working.

it all boils down to what supports my belief system.

I wouldn't refer to myself as an atheist, but rather see myself as a deist