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BoldBrainz:
Nigerian pidgin is an English-based creole, and this shouldn't even be a basis for lengthy arguments. I'm currently editing a very bulky document and won't have the time to write detailed epistles on this. Please kindly do a simple internet search on this subject.

Please stop mentioning CREOLE

u don't know what it means


Common!

U are getting on my nerves

Hanndye:
I was a bit confused so went to Google. This clarifications shows pidgin is not exclusive to English Language.

Yeah sure

Any Language can have a pidgin version

Pidgin simply means a corrupted version of a language used for easy communication originally between first language speakers and speakers of other languages

e.g a Briton trying to communicate with an Isoko man and vice versa

Davoneskay:
Pidgin is not totally same as creole. Creole has rules guiding it. Creole has syntax according to a documentary I got. But Pidgin has no rules. Jamaican patois used to be Pidgin for a very long time before it became standardize and developed to a full language (creole).
Illicit, kindly note that most English speakers who aren't Nigeria do not understand Nigerian Pidgin English. You may think it is simple but it is very complex to them. For example, "Dey there make pant dey wear you" is a Pidgin English but no non-Nigerian English speakers would understand.
Boldbrainz, Upsupa, and the rest, Pidgin English is totally not same with creole. Creole is advanced and standardized. It has its lexis and structure.

Thank you bro

I don't understand their adamancy

One even went as far as copying what both pidgin and Patois means

Yet he still can't comprehend what is written in black and white

Can you imagine?

About the 'dey there make pant dey wear you' lol

It's just like when u use some idiomatic expressions in English, not everyone deciphers it easily
But in proper English its universal, while in pidgin it's regional

Abagworo:
He's right. Patois is Francais and it simply means Pidgin French.

Yeah sure lol

So Jamaicans speak Pidgin French

🥴🤕

Nice one

U do well

upsupa:
Bro Patois is french word for broken english

Haa
😳

Which school did you finish from pls?

Samantha124:
Who came up with this whole idea of pidgin anyways?

The first Africans to contact British, Europeans

It was a means of communication between them

In Nigeria it is the South southern people who lives on the coast ' Warri, Benin etc)

1Sharon:
I'm talking about in Africa. Does the pidgin English outside Africa, sound like West African?

Broken English is different to Pidgin.

Pidgin Enlish cant sound alike because it's a broken language (no grammatical rules)

It is made up of jargons, random and loan words and heavily influenced by the native language of any region you find it

So even in Nigeria you have different varieties but the things is it is mutually intelligible because some words remain the same

For example, ' I no fit go'

' I no know him

Commot there

Go die now

Na me u dey follow talk?

English speakers from anywhere can decipher what you mean even if their own version is different

upsupa:
pidgin. / (ˈpɪdʒɪn) / noun. a language made up of elements of two or more other languages and used for contacts, esp trading contacts, between the speakers of other languages. Unlike creoles, pidgins do not constitute the mother tongue of any speech community.

Pidgin Definition & Meaning - Dictionary.com

patois. / (ˈpætwɑː, French patwa) / nounplural patois (ˈpætwɑːz, French patwa) an unwritten regional dialect of a language, esp of French, usually considered substandard. the jargon of particular group.

Patois Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com

Pidgins have historically been considered a form of patois, unsophisticated simplified versions of their lexifiers, and as such usually have low prestige with respect to

languages. However, not all simplified or "unsophisticated" forms of a language are pidgins.

Pidgin - Wikipedia

Take of it what you want

In this you have your answers

Now tell me, do you still think Patois is pidgin?

thinkmoney:
They may find it hard to understand because pidgin English like patois is structured and molded based on the vanacular of the local community. eg come let’s go is formed based on “wa, jekalo” in yoruba

Come, let's go is not pidgin

BoldBrainz:
Even a simple google search would have helped cure you of this audacious yet embarrassing display of misinformation.

Oga

Very simple

Why do I need to use Google when u can tell me?

Is this how you use to do?

Samantha124:
Does it mean ' I know you get money'?

Samantha: Give me some money

Illicit : No vex o, I no get money


What do u think?

1Sharon:
Where else in Africa speaks it?

You will find pidgin English anywhere English is spoken as a second language as far as India

If to say....

BoldBrainz:
Oga, pidgin is a creole. When interlocutors give you contrary opinions to what you think you know, the onus is on you to research for additional knowledge, not to take arguments as a stock in trade while boasting about being idle.

Oga tell us what's a Creole

Stop ranting abeg

FreeStuffsNG:
I am not sure you get my point. There's a difference between Ekiti and Ekiti state. There are Ekiti in Kwara state and those Ekiti are on the fringes of Yorubaland and not hinterland. It is like the Awori and Ijebu too, both Yoruba sub groups are in Lagos and Ogun states. If you are Yoruba, you should get my point. The only Yoruba that will be plain to every Yoruba is Oyo and Osun. The Benin republic communities next to Oyo are Yoruba speaking and used to be part of the old Oyo Kingdom.

The only Yoruba that will be plain to every Yoruba is the Oyo Yoruba. As a Yoruba, the other dialects of Yoruba are not difficult for me to understand but it's only the Oyo one that I hear and see as plain. Ekiti, Ulesha , Ijebu, Ondo, Egba, Igbomina and all of them, I can hear but only the Oyo is plain to us all.

I understand you

So ur Peckham gragra insurance no cover u for Lagos

Ruggedman sef dey find u

upsupa:
Patois is pidgin. Caribbean pidgin with differences between the Caribbean countries. Each country has its own pidgin and there might be some understanding and overlap

Patois is not pidgin

When pidgin becomes a first language, that's a creole

Do you understand ?

ibawon:
Ghana: You dey want take my money all
Nigeria: You won take all my money
Your Pidgin depends on where you come from.
Even Spanish and French get pidgen

Thank you

There's no universal rule to Pidgin that's why its not a standard language

It is intelligible to anyone who speaks the parent language

BoldBrainz:
Do I look to you like an idiot?

I have never met u

What do you mean 'English based creole'

If you know what creole means you might not define pidgin that way

1Sharon:
Pidgin is only a West African thing for some reason.

It's not hard to understand pidgin

Sorry it's not

FreeStuffsNG:
Ekiti is neighbouring to as far as Kwara and Kogi. Pure Yoruba should lie in Oyo and Osun state

Key word *plain*

Ekiti is in the Hinterland, all it's borders are surrounded by Yoruba speakers

Oyo borders Benin republic

Osun was a part of Oyo

BoldBrainz:
This is false.

Nigerian pidgin is an English-based creole.

Do you know what creole means?

Lets start from there

I am very idle right now

Samantha124:
No, we don't.

If I tell you that ' I no get money'

U won't understand?

christejames:
Nope...




Pidgin English is the major creole language in West Africa English speaking nations. Even amongst the nations the language has so many variaties and differences. Pidgin is a mixture of a local language and foreign one, or at most 'twisted' foreign language.


So Nigerian Pidgin English is the most popular across the region and even the world due to our large export of arts and how far we travel.

Nigerian pidgin English is not a creole

The best u can say is that in the south south it's almost a Creole but not yet

Zupay:
Many won't, except those conversant with Afrosinema (Nollywood) which is daily aired on their local stations. I lived and attended University there, I know how often I had to explain the pidgin English I spoke to them.

Even if u tell an English speaking person from England that ' I no want problem', they will understand

Let's not forget how pidgin English started

It's a means of communication between Europeans (The British), colonial masters, slave traders (merchants) and indigenous populations

It was effective

Any English speaker that can't decipher what 'I no want problem' means is probably forming or has cognitive problem

wittywriter:
Nigeria's pidgin english is also a Creole.






Wittyness.

Nigerian pidgin English is a creole?

I will like you to enlighten me on this pls

Where una dey see dis money sef

🤕

I hope he knack that girl

🥴

This woman bad o

Marley don high

See him eye