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Gboliwe:
One way of helping you if you actually, sincerely need help is for you to talk privately and get counselling with/from someone who sincerely understands you. Someone who won't judge you or mock you. If you tell me where you reside, I will direct you to someone like that.

What he said.

P.S. Mark554 He's just trying to help you. For me, the only person I can tell for sure is in Lagos.

Time is a type of relative measure, just like distance. That's assuming the nature of heaven is akin to a physical one. It probably isn't.

If you think you'll experience distance in heaven, then you'll probably experience time in heaven. Being relative though, your perception of quantities like time, weight, distance, etc will be different from what you have here.

The way I understand it is like when a ball in motion finally comes to rest. That point of rest is like heaven: no energy dissipation, no intrinsic quantitative increases. All the "activities" in heaven will also be from a point of rest. Relative to how we currently understand life (the busy rolling ad bouncing ball), life in heaven will be like a stand-still. The only forces that will be exerted on such a body at rest, are external forces, all counterbalanced with one another.

Time is just like such an external force so I feel there will be time in heaven - but on a different scale from what we're used to.

@Mark554

Let's even set aside any questions of sin and morality briefly - if you're so bothered and disturbed by your actions that you have lost peace of mind, then it is time to break free. It will not be an easy task, but once you set your heart to it, you can do it.

It's never too late to make the right choices.

Are you for real, and are you in Lagos? If so, I can give you contact details of a person that you can talk to, and who will be able to help you without unnecessary stigma and prejudice.

plaetton:
And how old are you ,Suzy?

I know she's above 18. Or else she won't be able to moderate the sexuality board.

Ishilove:
Una no dey sleep?

We wan be like you ni

Interesting, gatiano. Thanks for your response.

bankai2015:
you see your life, you bring one stvpid theory, and i say your papa na for monkey descendant, you dey vex


mumu like you, monkey

I tender my apologies. I should have ignored your rant and left you to your devices.

gatiano:
People sometimes mess up, They are not perfect, atleast not yet; So I exclaimed "How I wish i can read people's mind". And an Elder replied "How good is your mathematics". And My thoughts were "this is how people mess up, what has mathematics got to do with anything", To which the man replied in voice "oh! You like to disrespect your Elders silently, however, better than most who will bluntly disrespect and We don't forgive easily, not out of hate but to teach lessons". Anyways, after a while, i thought He could read minds, He is telepathic. He replied, "Yes, I can read minds, but telepathy is amateur, and it is called radiohead", One must be extremely good with mathematics and not just on papers, but complex calculations offhand within few seconds. God and His assembly 23 other Elders have this ability amongst billions more that they can read the minds of those yet unborn for 25,000 years into the future that is why they could tell when a Prophet would be born, endtime signs etc, It is from this that The books (Torah, Gospel, Quran and few previous books) are made.

To the matter of discussion, Jesus had some of these abilities. One of them was radiohead, He knew supreme mathematics. Do you think someone like Jesus would stay down and allowed himself to be nailed and chopped up like a piece of swine? Never, However, He delivered the message that He was sent to deliver and He found a way to exit in a bigboy way. If He didn't, time would have been wasted (mathematical calculation of time).

My source is God, and most time Our Elders.

I am very good at mathematics - up to a graduate level - if I do say so myself, yet I cannot read minds. What was the point you were driving at here?

As for Jesus, he WANTED to give himself up. He decided to let them kill him. If he wanted to escape, he could have, but he chose to allow them to get him.

Nairaland has become overrun with cretins.

bankai2015:
then your grandfather must be descendant of monkey,

no wonder you dey behave like monkey

You are so crude, obtuse and obnoxious that I can only feel sorry for your parents because I'm certain you're in need of a proper education. If your parents already paid for one, they should consider getting a refund.

Ishilove:
No thanks, I'm good.

LOL plaetton the evangelist

Haba why do people see a damn long post and they'll choose to quote the entire block? Ah ahn.

To clarify, evolution does not claim there's a need for a designer. Neither does it claim there is no need for one.

What I do know is that it acknowledges that evolution works in a way such that it "betters" the product. To me, that can't be a random process. It must have been controlled by a prime-mover, and for me that's God.

[quote author=KingEbukasBlog post=33605269][/quote]They are not contradictory. Just try to drop all your assumptions and read what I said again.

In simpler words:
- Evolution doesn't care about who or wat started the process of change. What it describes is the process itself and its products, and how the process works in such a way that it improves the product.
- Atheists believe evolution started by chance occurrence, by an absolute necessity at some point in time.
- Adherents of theistic evolution believe God started the process.

KingEbukasBlog:
1.Bro I quickly googled 'theistic evolutionist' and found this . Maybe you'd understand where am coming from

http://creation.com/10-dangers-of-theistic-evolution

2. Why are most evolutionists atheists?

Okay so you're sending me a link to a creationist website arguing against theistic evolution. Should I start posting links of sites arguing for theistic evolution? Personally I'm not about all of that - searching the internet to support a religious stance. People have argued these things for centuries and the arguments still continue.

Most atheists believe only in evidence-based events. Science is all about evidences. Science shows that evolution occurred, so it makes sense for atheists to accept it.

The difference between their views on evolution and mine is that atheists believe evolution began from a random spontaneous event, and I believe God set that thing off.

Where we agree is that evolution took place at all.

gatiano:
Thar Jesus Brother toured the world. He was all over Africa, India, Arabia, far east Asia, If possible America. Who can account where Jesus was from the ages between 12 and 31? Emphasis was only laid on His 12th year because that was when the God/creator in Him got activated. Yours too can, so as mine.

Ibadan is just to say, Jesus didn't die on the cross, He was supposedly killed by a soldier, but never on the cross.

What happened to the crucified man named Jesus is full of lots of speculation - I've read a number of suggestions, and everyone is choosing whatever they want to believe in.

Christians like myself believe he died on the cross, and I have literature (biblical) to back up my belief. What's your own source for the above speculation, or you just decided to say something random?

nairalandbuzz:
For point 8. The passages quoted are not in line.

Quote me wrong... Uve been reading Gods plan for man by dake

Dake is the one that started all this falsehood about the preAdamic creation, and the Lucifer flood eisegesis. He's either reading Dake or else he has studied from someone that has taken Dake hook, line and sinker.

KingEbukasBlog:
You didnt answer my question - is the fall of man as written in the bible , literal or figurative


Ok , I now understand why this is called theistic evolution Trying to say God is the cause



You need to start from the basics of evolution . You are picking pieces to suite your claim

What does "literal" mean to you? What about "figurative"? I already said Adam did not fall physically (which means literally), so what else are you asking again?

Do you mean the basics of evolution according to you? Or according to general scientific knowledge? Because from everything you've said, your own get semi colon.

What pieces am I picking now? All I've said is that I believe God directed the evolution process.

plaetton:
Just ask Deepsight.
Though not personal interactions, he believes that humans are deity are in constant interaction.

As a pantheist, I believe that humans, deity and the universe are one singular entity, one electron. No distinctions.
You can see why I don't believe that there is an extraneous force or mind in the universe that we can refer to as god.

I believe DeepSight stopped being a deist a little less than two years ago so you can't really use him as an example. He's more of a generic theist now. But maybe I'm wrong.

Yes I recall you identify with pantheism.

KingEbukasBlog:
at bolded text - no one is saying that

1.So what led to this spiritual fall of man

2a.Where exactly does the real story or occurrences of biblical events start . Noah , Abraham?
2b If we should take the story of Adam and his fall as figurative then Christ is, because he came from Seth's( a son of Adam) line



Am confused , are you saying evolution didnt take millions of years?



- ive always said this



1.Selection causes evolution
2.Evolution says life forms were not designed but came from gradual modification of organisms , thus needing no designer

I think theistic evolutionists need to come out to explain their own process . Maybe you could please give a quick summary of your own view of creation with evolution as that process

For your questions about Adam, Noah etc I think you have a Bible?

About evolution, you're still making things up. Evolution doesn't claim there is no need for a designer. In fact, it claims that the design is such that it enhances improvements of features in the species. Life forms were not designed Gosh, where did you read that? Or you just feel like miseducating Nairalanders?

There is nothing to explain in the theistic evolution process beyond this; God created. How did God create? Via evolution. If it's still not clear, please read the article on Wikipedia.

plaetton:
I regard everyone who steps out of the bondage of religion, but still clings on to the godspell, as being in a halfway house, preparing, but still a tad afraid to embrace their inner atheist.

Okay. Each deism is a religious view though, and at its very center is a deity. The only exception is that deisms do not presuppose any human interaction with the deity / deities.

Plaetton how is a Deism a halfway house?

KingEbukasBlog:
exactly


theistic evolutionist , you are playing the "thinking christian"

1.So explain the fall of man . Is it literal or figurative?

2.Genesis 1:27



Creation is a process but no an evolutionary one. God had to wait for millions of years before man was made it his image , after evolving from a lower form?



Theistic evolution hold no water at all .

The fall of man describes a spiritual fall, it's not like man fell and bruised his knees so it's clearly not literal.

If God commands something, as far as he's concerned it's already done. He doesn't have to wait a million years for the evolution process. He commands man to be created, and man is created... Time is a construct that applies only to us mortals. The clock does not tick for God who acts outside time. Isn't it the same way God kept calling Abraham a father of many nations when the old man didn't even have any children? God calls the things that are not yet, as though they have been.

If you think it does not hold water, all well and good, you're entitled to that opinion. But if you truly understand the claims of evolution you'll realize that it does not talk about the very beginnings of the species. It does not even discuss what caused the evolution process. So saying it goes against the Bible does not make sense.

@gatiano

The part where Jesus went to Ibadan, are you sure it wasn't Ile-Ife or Ogbomoso or Offa that he went to?

I think it is really sad when people who are not properly educated about evolution insist on talking about it with hard opinions. One ends up taking a lot of nonsense. This is science, not pop culture.

To clarify:

- The earth isn't 6000 years old.
- The homo sapiens specie (probably beginning around Adam) might be about 6000 years old but there would have been previous human versions.
- Believing God created the universe and other aspects of creation does not mean evolution didn't take place. God as a creator could have started the evolution process and left it to mature over time. Just like when you plant an apple seed and it grows and becomes an apple tree. This view is called theistic evolution and that's what I believe in.

There isn't enough Biblical evidence for a pre-Adamic creation or for Lucifer's flood. It is just convenient for people to use to explain Biblical discrepancies.

It sounds good but it's guesswork, and was initially suggested and then popularized by Finis Jennings Dake in his annotated Bible.

2 Pet 3:5-7 might have been about Noah's flood.
Jer 4:23-26 might not be an actual event. It might be a prophetic description.
Isa 14:12-14 is clearly not literal. The fall describes is not a physical coming down to earth. The story corroborates accounts told about Lucifer's fall in Revelations

1 Timothy 5:8

Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. (NIV)

But those who won't care for their relatives, especially those in their own household, have denied the true faith. Such people are worse than unbelievers. (NLT)

Your friend's Dad's primary duty is to take care of his family. Paying the resident pastor and instrumentalist is not a priority.

If the church staff are not willing to struggle along with the man to build a new congregation, they are free to leave.

And as for your friend's Dad, if the church thing isn't working out, it's not by force. And if he feels it's by force, he should be patient.

Bluffly:
Because you decided to see it as e be. Anyways I have seen more assertive responses.

Okay boss.

Sanchez01 The song is definitely secular. As I said before, the actual question is whether the song is is fit for consumption by a Christian. There is no doubt that it is secular. Most, but not all, secular songs are not really good to listen to. But I also know some "gospel" songs that I wouldn't touch with any seriousness.

plaetton:
I am not saying that we sense gravity, but that we are automatically subject to its effect, and generally agree about it existence and it's measurable effects. If we discover that it is a Push rather than a pull, our notions of it will change, but it's reality remains.
The point I am trying to make here is that something that is universally self evident like gravity does not depend on our perceptions of it. It exists, independent of whatever perceptions of it. Funny enough, there exists no religion dedicated to Gravity.

Why, on the other hand, have we been debating the existence or not, of god since humans began to ponder the mysteries of existence?

Well, the debates are because unlike gravity, people have varying perceptions of what "God" means (if so exists), and how we can participate in any experience with God. Some (i.e. pantheists) will say there is nothing more to expect because we are already participating with deity, since we are agents within the Universe. They will say we are already involved in that reality, and our very existence is a part of the participation.

Whereas the effects of gravity have been tagged and given a name, and even studied in extraterrestrial spaces including the moon and other planets, we are still hung up on defining "God" to even start with, let alone observing the entity or phenomenon. This is another reason it will be difficult to apply that gravity-reasoning in this case.