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@joywendy Thanks!

P.S. Joywendy sometimes the clock is a really mean thing. So when I see a recorded game, first question I ask is: how many minutes/hrs per side and how much incremental time? Personally I love 5 minutes (and less) games cos they force me to think fast. Blitz is lovely until your internet connection lags. Oh, the rage then! Lol

I had closed my account on chess.com a while back cos I didn't have enough self-control. My new username is NesQor.

@Jayriginal please let me know your chess.com username once you have registered so I can add you up.

I just sent requests to a couple of usernames that I found on this thread. Let's have at some games sometime!

@MissMeiya If you're still down to learn to play chess, we should find some time this weekend to go through the basics, and move on from there.

all4naija: @MissMeiya and InesQor

Please, enough of your boring life diaries. No sensible person is willing to read them. Corporate punishment, whatever there is in punishment that is corporate is yet to be seen in beating up a child for some mistake or not paying attention. That is a primitive man's reasoning. It is archaic and should be eliminated from the Nigerian society.

These "boring life diaries" have everything to do with the topic, so I'm not sure what you're on about.

@MissMeiya
Even more interesting! I'll keep my response here terse to prevent further derailing the thread by feeding trolls. Yes, we should continue this conversation later.

MrAnony1: Lol except that it wasn't a strawman. It was a fair and deserved response to you because rather than actually make an argument for your case you chose to use the tactic of "I'm a better person than you because I don't agree with you" which is actually an ad hominem fallacy. I merely exposed your hypocrisy that's all.

I noticed that you still haven't explained your position or pointed out the strawmen that you accused me of

You're either a pathetic liar or you do not know what a strawman is. You keep overstating or misrepresenting my argument in order to more easily refute it, and THAT tripe above, about killing animals is yet another example. You did same to MissMeiya and I usually see you doing same on the religion board (a talent that you are well known for. Your usual partners in trifling arguments call it "Anonyism" and this is well known to regulars in that section). You did same on the other thread about rap'e. It is not my duty to clean up your mess if you can't identify your own distorted style of argument.

MrAnony1: Also, asking you to provide at least one argument for your position is not arguing for the sake of argument.

I am trying to understand you and your reluctance to explain your stance shows me that you really don't know what you are talking about....

So my refusal to respond means I'm ignorant? Have you considered that I simply have no intentions to discuss this further with you? And I thought you were earlier on complaining about people with an overbloated sense of importance, who grew up feeling entitled.

MrAnony1: But hey if you need another petty excuse to run away, feel free to call me an unflattering name and make your exit as usual.

Your sense of importance here is a tad exaggerated. "Another petty excuse" and "As usual", you say? After only our second conversation? Don't flatter yourself.

I never talked to you on NL before yesterday for good reason (based on observation) and now I've had my confirmation.

MissMeiya: If you're trying to flatter me, it's working.
I think too much. I'm the silent, daydreamer type that Googles random questions that occur to her. As a result, I usually have too much to say. But the force of character developed while I was in college. Before then, I generally kept my thoughts to myself. Now, my mother always complains that I didn't decide to study law lol
Also, I've been a voracious reader since I was a very small child. My grandmother, to this day, will tell anyone who will listen how I never knew where I was, and she had to drag me to make sure I was following her, because my nose was always in a book, or trying to pronounce words I saw on the street (I love my grandmother.) The librarians in my local library watched me grow up, because I was always in there. Then I started working there in high school.
So anyway, my mind is kind of cluttered. I've been meaning to tidy up for a while now...

Lol! No, I did not exactly move to flatter. Interesting brief autobio as well.

Please we thank you not to tidy your mind up! We already have enough of the mundane.

So I am guessing you were not of those kids "punished" with literature since you already had a healthy appetite for it

It was just the same with me, and whenever I ran out of things to read I'd take my Father's old notebooks (he's a professor) and begin writing my own stories in the empty pages at the back. And, no, I was not flogged for that (rolls eyes) when I was found out. Rather I was told to desist, and a proper journal was bought for me.

MissMeiya: The things you see on the news tell you that mass murderers were spoiled as children and never beaten? I highly doubt that. I would really love to see any news piece that even remotely implied that.
I believe that is a subconscious conclusion you drew from the misconception that beating a child somehow makes him/her obedient.
What do you believe corporal punishment entails?
This is how I understand it:
A method of discipline that uses pain to deter bad behavior.
Nigerians are not "greedy" people. The circumstances and uncertainty of living in Nigeria, demands a great deal of self-preservation behavior. I wouldn't call that greedy. And greedy people are not always cruel. That is a logical fallacy. Non sequitur. It does not follow.
As for wickedness, humans are not BORN "wicked". That is something they learn from their environment and their upbringing. This is scientifically proven and historically evidenced. So, no, Nigerians are not "naturally wicked".

From where I stand, your mind is a wildly fascinating place... I could hardly have said any of this better.

MrAnony1: Ok I won't press you further on this specific case.

Lol of course you don't beat animals you only have their throats slit and feed on the flesh of their corpses. So much for the moral high ground that you are trying to assume without actually making a case.

Do you honestly think you made sense here? I was obviously referring to pets and not livestock reared for consumption. But then, that's what is expected of you: another straw-man fallacy.

MrAnony1: It didn't escape my notice that you have once again evaded the opportunity explain your position and point out the strawmen you accused me of erecting. It seems you just like accusing people who disagree with you in order to feel better about yourself.

I actually have better things to do with my time so I avoid people I've noticed love to argue just for argument's sake. Of which I deem you a chief.

No offence, I'm just not that into your "style of conversation" and "logic" and would probably not be talking to you at all, if you hadn't first mentioned me here.

MrAnony1: I am.

Good. Then I'm positive you can do so without me. Cheers.

MissMeiya: Sorry dear, sometimes tone is hard to convey over the Internet

I was being coy

I knew very well what you meant

LOL! *facepalm* With you I should have known better. Okay dear.

MrAnony1: It seems you have forgotten what you said earlier.

Here is the final sentence of your quote ".....But if she had explained earlier, I wouldn't have done what I did."

Clearly from what you are saying now we can deduce that you would have still done what you did regardless of what she explained seeing that she explained so many times before deciding to beat some sense into you. Therefore we can conclude that beating you in this case was a more effective way to bring you to you senses.

Oh please! It was a complex problem that involved adults in the family and was better understood by adults. Nuances and context were what she lost patience explaining, NOT that she had explained that particular aspect to me previously. She regretted that later then took time to explain the entire picture.

Feel free to "beat sense" into your children. I only know I'll never do that even to my animals.

Have fun.

MrAnony1: No, the second letter of my surname is not "R".

My bad, then. Not like i expect you'll say it is, even it was. This is an anonymous forum for good reason.

You obviously have not heard of tools such as Robin Wood's S3 bucket finder tool and other such scripts used for brute force hacking S3 buckets. You can google that.

Amazon S3 bucket URLs are rather predictable and can be scrubbed using dictionary attacks, sorry. No, you dont need a link to any file. You just cant tell what you will find.

You're only more safe if you ensure you configure your buckets with proper permissions. But then, apparently many people do not.

spikesC: That is for public buckets.
Backups cannot be stolen because you don't even know it's there

You're right. Backups cannot be "targeted". However they can be stolen if someone randomly scrubs Amazon for private buckets, never knowing what they might find.

MissMeiya: Hahaha I don't know what you're implying!

Lol! It's someone I know from an underground Russian site.

Rule 9::
9. Don't use Nairaland for illegal acts, e.g fraud, piracy, and spreading malware.

MissMeiya: I've always wanted to learn, teach me!

Nice! I'll absolutely love to. Let's do that sometime soon.

MissMeiya: I think I need to know this "someone"

LOL! Nairaland rule 9.

MrAnony1: ....and who am I?

See Nairaland rule 10. Since you ask though, is the 2nd letter of your surname not "R"?

MrAnony1: Ok, you contradict yourself (I have highlighted where you did so). Did she or did she not explain to you earlier?

She properly explained to me later. She lost patience AT explaining and resorted to flogging me. Surely that's not hard to understand.

MrAnony1: Oh good, but remember that the point is to teach the child that stealing is bad and not necessarily how permissive the kitchen is. What if your child stole money or told lies or used obscene language he picked up at school. I want to know exactly how you reason with a kid who is yet to fully develop a sound moral reasoning capacity that will enable him to grasp what you are explaining.

It is sick to imagine you'll flog a child for using obscene language for the first time if you had not earlier properly instructed him on it, and you don't use it or condone it with anyone else. And if it's not the first time, you still have no reason to flog the child. Rather, you reason with yourself to understand why your previous lesson failed to be absorbed, and you find a more effective way. That is why it is called training. Training is supervised learning.

Similar reasoning applies to a child that steals or tell lies. They are your responsibility to train. Supervise their learning.

MrAnony1: This would have been good advice if only you had explained what properly training a kid is and why corporal punishment doesn't qualify. You really need to curb this habit of assuming a point you are yet to prove.

I have given some of the most lucid explanations for my stance, on this entire thread. Receiving my stance is left to you as an exercise. And there again, you need to curb your strawman fallacies.

spikesC: Online multiple site backup (i.e AWS, google drive etc.)
And it's very cheap

Good point. But it's not like Amazon or Google or any other cloud storage service is totally inviolable either.

I know someone (who knows someone ) that steals files from people's Amazon lockers and releases them on pirat'ebay and blac'khat forums.

MissMeiya, don't let him get you worked up. MrAnony1 is usually just like this with misconstruing arguments and building then attacking strawmen.

MrAnony1 I think i've finally realized who you are. You do know we've had this conversation before, elsewhere. As well as the previous rap'e conversation. Kept having waves of Deja vu and now I know why.

MrAnony1: Because it is very possible to flog your child solely for the purpose of correcting his/her behaviour and not because you are frustrated or insane. You seem to think that this is impossible. Do you therefore hold that the few times when your mother beat you, it was because her reasonable judgment had failed and she was frustrated?

I said a SIGN of frustration. I hold that a loving and reasonable parent would only flog the offspring as a last resort, and that is a sign of frustration. Yes, my mother was frustrated TWICE because I frustrated her. I simply did not understand the complicated issue at that time, and she had lost patience explaining to me. She later did, pf course, when it all boiled down. But if she had explained earlier, I wouldn't have done what I did.

MrAnony1: Yes it is true that children learn by example and they learn to associate experiences with a sense of morality based on qualified feedback but this is a very vague reply because it doesn't explain why corporal punishment must be excluded from "qualified feedback". For instance, how would you go about reasoning with a 4 year old that stealing meat from the cooking pot is wrong without punishing the kid?

It's not rocket science. At the next meal, the child goes without meat. That is if you roll that way. Personally I can take meat from the cooking pot at any time - without letting it get sour of course (I'll warm it) - so in my home taking food at any timr can never be a sin (maybe except the chiod has known allergies to the food). Even strangers can enter my dining room and take fruits or food on the dining table without having to ask. This is the way I was brought up and it works for me. If stealing food is that much of a big issue for you, go ahead and punish the child but make sure you also don't eat food from your wife's pot without her permission.

MrAnony1: I am not saying that flogging is the only way, I am saying that flogging is a good way and in some cases the best way.

The best way is you either get a vasectomy and stop bringing children who did not ask to be born, into this world; or you learn how to train them properly.

MissMeiya: The fact that those who beat their children must do it over and over its the clearest proof that it does not work. I can count on one hand the number of times I've disappointed my father, because his disappointment is more painful than any beating.

Exactly!!! It certainly shows itself up as an ineffective method with hit or miss temporary relevance.

I wouldn't even train my dog or cat by flogging it. Let alone a human being!!

Seun: If the disk crashes you will lose all the data on that disk even if it's on the second partition. Use DVD-ROM drives, flash or external HDD.

No mean of storage is totally safe. Even optical drives and magnetic disks have failure points. SSD is a bit better though.

And if you keep files in a cabinet na fire or rat or cockroach you go fear

@joywendy Hope you don't mind if I also add you up

jayriginal: Well I got banned again for posting the third game. Im not sure what to do anymore. The mods on this section either dont exist or they are incompetent. I have been mailing them to release my post and nothing has been done about it.

We should hook up for a game on chess.com one of these days

I'm curious; when did discipline become about violence? Do we really need to explore the etymology of that word?

Discipline: mortification by scourging oneself, arising out of instruction and knowledge.

In other words, you're instructed in knowledge THEN you discipline YOURSELF! Discipline starts from the inside out, and is not necessarily an effect of external violent influence. People get hardened to stimulus afterall!

Edit: Initially posted mistakenly / prematurely. Fixed.

ihedinobi2: I completely agree.

I truly fear for children being brought up by today's emotion-driven parents. They end up terribly manipulative with an oversized sense of entitlement and zero discipline.

Your specious assumption may as well be rephrased,

"I truly fear for children being brought up by violence-driven parents. They end up being coarse with a warped sense of judgement that violence is the answer for everything."

If you can't reason with a child without flogging it, you should consider getting a vasectomy. Training children is not a compulsory human event.

MrAnony1: Not necessarily

Why not?

It would be interesting to hear exactly how you intend to go about reasoning with an infant. Please kindly educate me - using practical instances where possible - on how to reason with children from the earliest stages of infancy so that they develop the right moral character.

Children learn by example. They learn to associate experiences with a sense of morality based on qualified feedback. That is simple "reasoning", unless you're saying the only language you understand is flogging. Then by all means do that to your own offspring.

Nihilist: I want him to consciously understand what is wrong and avoid doing it for the fact that it is wrong, and not avoid wrongdoing for the fear of violence.

Very well said.

MissMeiya: I am actually more obedient to my father than to my mother because he never hit me. The pain of his disappointment is the ultimate deterrent. What a child will eventually learn about physical punishment is that it is TEMPORARY.

I remember the day I made a conscious decision to do something wrong because, hey I'll just suffer the beating until it's over, but at least I got to do this thing. Now I'm too old for beatings and what did I learn from them? How to dodge.

Parenting is the most difficult task on earth, and beating a child is a sign of a frustrated parent / other adult whose reasonable judgement has failed.

Children can be reasoned with, but you can't start trying to reason with a child when his/her viewpoints on life are already starting to set. The parent's frustration will be less, and success rate will be higher, if they start reasoning with the children from the very earliest possible stages of infancy.

I put it to you that one reason "African parents" usually have to enforce their stance by beating their children is that they are not always sincere with their children, and they usually do not hold themselves to the same standards that they require of the children. These children observe all of this, and they make their own decisions. In frustration, the parent then resorts to beating them.

If one is always sincere with a child, and shows genuine respect for him/her, the child will often grow up making better choices.

I see parents that beat their children in no better light than people that beat their spouses. In fact, it is worse for the child because as minors they have few or no options to retaliate.

My mother (of blessed memory) only ever beat me a couple of times - but I was already about 10 and that could have been avoided with earlier instruction. My father never beat me. I have no children, neither am I married. But I know if I eventually have children I will neither beat them nor allow anyone else to beat them.

iheidnobi2 I'd appreciate if you can kindly stop mentioning me on this thread; if you choose to.

beryl04: "It would seem that the only moral rules deal with condemning same-sex couples and abortions. You do that and you’re the perfect Christian."

The nub of a sad story.

MrAnony1: Yes I am for real. . . .And I saw where you said a "case by case basis" that is why I used an identitical case as your sample case. The only thing I did differently was to interchange the genders of the alleged victim and perpetrator. If this significantly alters the case for you such that one can be deemed as r[color=#000000]ap[/color]e and the other not, then I think your definition of r[color=#000000]ap[/color]e is faulty as it is biased towards a particular gender (the female gender) over the other.
You are welcome to show how my sample case fundamentally differs from yours apart from the genders of the participants.

Don't be ridiculous, man. Your example and mine are totally different and it has nothing to do with gender. In my example, I illustrated an INSTANCE of someone who was being physically subdued but did not fend off the rap'ist, while you came up with some story about a guy bedding his work colleague and saying that he was being taken advantage of. If you cannot see the difference between the two then never mind.

MrAnony1: Ok. I must point out though that you did not deny that a useful character has been formed in the offender if making the offender a victim of his/her offense deters him/her from further crime.

The only thing your arguments above have convinced me of, is that you do not have the faintest idea what character building really means.

Thus with you, as well, I am done conversing here.

I'm certain however that you still have some remarkable gems - such as these about character building via a transferred violation of human sanctity and being - to share with those that visit this thread going forward. By all means, carry on.