SageTravels:


I said show me where Jesus said we should not tithe again. btw tithing started before the law.

It is like your sense is paining you Did you read the verse at all or you just want to show me how much scripture you know.

So Jesus should have stated that the Jewish law has ended and these Jewish laws that have ended categorically includes: tithe, sacrificing animals in the temple, having the passover, or observing the sabbath and many other Jewish observations before you stop.

Did the tithe originate with Moses? No, Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils of his victory to Melchisedec , and Jacob promised God a tenth for His blessings, and these men lived 300-400 years before Moses and the Law.

In Genesis 14:20, Abraham gave the priest Melchizedek a tenth of all his goods after a daringrescue of his nephew Lot.

In Heb 7:4-10 Apostle Paul refered to that Abraham incidence when he said that Christ priesthood was greater than those paid by the Levi, who were assumed to have paid tithes as being of the loins of Abraham.

Note that Abraham did what he did not as a custom or religious obligation. He did not also oblige his descendants to it. So calling it a tithe or a compulsory 10% giving is out of the way.

And yet, apostle Paul still reminded them that Christ priesthood was greater which annulled tithes.


The second account about Jacob was a voluntary decision he made, he was not compelled by religious obligation or any custom. You can read that in that account:

Genesis 28:20-22 New International Version

20 Then Jacob made a vow, saying, "If God will be with me and will watch over me on this journey I am taking and will give me food to eat and clothes to wear 21 so that I return safely to my father's household, then the Lord[1] will be my God 22 and[2] this stone that I have set up as a pillar will be God's house, and of all that you give me I will give you a tenth."


Do you understand what priesthood means? If you do then you'd know why the tithe was necessary.

Jesus and his followers were no longer on a priesthood arrangement, so the tithe arrangement was no longer necessary. If it was Apostle Paul, Peter would have demanded from the members of the church.

Instead of giving fixed, specified amounts to defray congregational expenses, they were to contribute “according to what a person has,” giving “as he has resolved in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.” (2Co 8:12; 9:7)

2 Corinthians 8:12New International Version (NIV)

12 For if the willingness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has, not according to what one does not have.


2 Corinthians 9:7New International Version (NIV)

7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.


In line with the new Christian principles Apostle Paul did not cajole the church to give. He even worked with his own hands to take care of his needs in spite of his minsterial work. 2 Corinthians 8:1-4; Acts 4:34-3

Prciouschika

SageTravels:



Show me. That what i said. where the Bible said don't tithe

Heb 7:5, 18

Hebrews 7:5King James Version (KJV)

5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham


18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.


When you read the verse, it specifically mentions tithe as part of the law of moses that has been disannulled because it has lost usefulness or profitability

SageTravels:


what makes it not Biblical. can you show me where God said we should not tithe

If you can kindly follow the thread to the end you'll see where I answered it.

Thank you.

felixomor:


Lol
Get a head first before we discuss other things

You've just entered childish play.

I don't play kids.

Bye.

felixomor:


At least I have a head.
You are anencephalic
LMAOLOl

Head that is not working....I pity you

At least you have agreed that tithe is not for compulsory for christians, because it is not a Christian teaching, but it was for Jews.

I'm glad we got to that point.

Dont worry come to me I'll school you when you need more bible lessons.

felixomor:

Continue posting scripture for someone who foolishly translated "storehouse" to mean "levite"......
Or someone who doesn't know what order means

Abeg, i pass that ...... Tufia

When did we talk storehouse? You must be losing your memory. Go check yourself.

And yes that place says order, so what does order means? Your Mumu is climbing ladder

Just accept your are just empty headed, my friend.

felixomor:

Close your mouth there
Ignoramus!

Lol, have your scriptural points finished....yeye maga

felixomor:


Eiya I didn't know "after the order"
Is one word ........

Lol
Keep swimming......
It means they have the same face..... Hehehe

Mumu you've not said anything.

The different translations you just read didn't explain it to you since you don't know English language.

felixomor:


Lol.
You are not my mate. But u are replacing "order" in the bible with "resemblance"......

Choi
..
.

....bros go and sleep.

Mumu that place reads After the order not order....And this is the English meaning as shown in other bible translations





PSALM 110:4
KJ21 The Lord hath sworn and will not repent: “Thou art a priest for ever, after the order of Melchizedek.”
ASV Jehovah hath sworn, and will not repent: Thou art a priest for ever After the order of Melchizedek.
AMP The Lord has sworn [an oath] and will not change His mind: “You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek.”
AMPC The Lord has sworn and will not revoke or change it: You are a priest forever, after the manner and order of Melchizedek.
BRG The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
CSB The Lord has sworn an oath and will not take it back: “You are a priest forever according to the pattern of Melchizedek.”
CEB The Lord has sworn a solemn pledge and won’t change his mind: “You are a priest forever in line with Melchizedek.”
CJB Adonai has sworn it, and he will never retract — “You are a cohen forever, to be compared with Malki-Tzedek.”
CEV The Lord has made a promise that will never be broken: “You will be a priest forever, just like Melchizedek.”
DARBY Jehovah hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art priest for ever after the order of Melchisedek.
DRA He hath made a remembrance of his wonderful works, being a merciful and gracious Lord:
ERV The Lord has made a promise with an oath and will not change his mind: “You are a priest forever— the kind of priest Melchizedek was.”
EHV The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: “You are a priest forever, in the manner of Melchizedek.”
ESV The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind, “You are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.”
ESVUK The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind, “You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.”
EXB The Lord has made a promise and will not ·change his mind [waver]. He said, “You are a priest forever, a priest like Melchizedek [C in reference to an ancient priest-king in Jerusalem; ultimately fulfilled in Christ; Gen. 14:18; Heb. 5:6; 7:17, 21].”
GNV The Lord sware, and will not repent, Thou art a Priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek.
GW The Lord has taken an oath and will not change his mind: “You are a priest forever, in the way Melchizedek was a priest.”
GNT The Lord made a solemn promise and will not take it back: “You will be a priest forever in the priestly order of Melchizedek.”
HCSB The Lord has sworn an oath and will not take it back: “Forever, You are a priest like Melchizedek.”
ICB The Lord has made a promise and will not change his mind. He said, “You are a priest forever, a priest like Melchizedek.”
ISV The Lord took an oath and will never recant: “You are a priest forever, after the manner of Melchizedek.”
JUB The LORD has sworn and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
KJV The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
AKJV The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
LEB Yahweh has sworn and he will not change his mind, “You are a priest forever according to the manner of Melchizedek.”
TLB Jehovah has taken oath and will not rescind his vow that you are a priest forever like Melchizedek.
MSG God gave his word and he won’t take it back: you’re the permanent priest, the Melchizedek priest. The Lord stands true at your side, crushing kings in his terrible wrath, Bringing judgment on the nations, handing out convictions wholesale, crushing opposition across the wide earth. The King-Maker put his King on the throne; the True King rules with head held high!
MEV The Lord has sworn and will not change, “You are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.”
NOG Yahweh has taken an oath and will not change his mind: “You are a priest forever, in the way Melchizedek was a priest.”
NABRE The Lord has sworn and will not waver: “You are a priest forever in the manner of Melchizedek.”
NASB The Lord has sworn and will not change His mind, “You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek.”
NCV The Lord has made a promise and will not change his mind. He said, “You are a priest forever, a priest like Melchizedek.”
NET The Lord makes this promise on oath and will not revoke it: “You are an eternal priest after the pattern of Melchizedek.”
NIRV The Lord has made a promise. He will not change his mind. He has said, “You are a priest forever, just like Melchizedek.”
NIV The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: “You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.”
NIVUK The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: ‘You are a priest for ever, in the order of Melchizedek.’
NKJV The Lord has sworn And will not relent, “You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek.”
NLV The Lord has sworn and will not change His mind: “You are a Religious Leader forever, in the same way as Melchizedek.”
NLT The Lord has taken an oath and will not break his vow: “You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.”
NRSV The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind, “You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.”
NRSVA The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind, ‘You are a priest for ever according to the order of Melchizedek.’
NRSVACE The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind, ‘You are a priest for ever according to the order of Melchizedek.’
NRSVCE The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind, “You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.”
OJB Hashem hath sworn, and will not relent, Thou [Moshiach] art a kohen l’olam al divrati Malki-Tzedek (kohen forever in respect to the order of Malki-Tzedek; [see Bereshis 14:18; note it is the kohen who makes kapporah for sin—see Leviticus 4:20; Isa 53:.
TPT Yahweh has taken a solemn oath and will never back away from it, saying, “You are a priest for eternity, my King of righteousness!”
RSV The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind, “You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchiz′edek.”
RSVCE The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind, “You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchiz′edek.”
TLV Adonai has sworn, and will not His mind: “You are a Kohen forever according to the order of Melchizedek.”
VOICE The Eternal has sworn an oath and cannot change His mind: “You are a priest forever— in the honored order of Melchizedek.”
WEB Yahweh has sworn, and will not change his mind: “You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.”
WYC The Lord swore, and it shall not repent him; Thou art a priest [into] without end, by the order of Melchizedek. (The Lord swore, and he shall never repent for saying, Thou art a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.)
YLT Jehovah hath sworn, and doth not repent, `Thou [art] a priest to the age, According to the order of Melchizedek.'

felixomor:


Hehehehe
"Resemblance" lol
As in Melchizedek had Jesus type of face abi....

Bros, we know u have never read this part of bible before
Try to hide your desperation.
Too much curving

Don't be stupid or childish.

I'm not your mate when it comes to the Bible.

Since we've been discussing how many bible reference have you made to back your claim.


Every point you are trying to make I already know where you are headed. I'm just waiting for you to land let know where your spiritual brain needs unlocking.

Or didn't you see the portion I stated that clearly explains that human priesthood was a resemblance of the greater priesthood.


Hebrews 8:4-5New International Version (NIV)

4 If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. 5 They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”

felixomor:


Psalms 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Heb 7:15 [/b]And it is yet far more evident: for that [b]after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

I guess you need new English lessons.

Let me define what after the order and similitude means. It is a term that means a person or thing resembling someone or something else.

Christ cannot be compared to any priesthood made by mere humans who offered sacrifices on behalf of other to remove sins.

The bible points out that human priestood cannot remove sins (because it was imperfect) but was a foreshadow of the greater sacrifice that was to come which is Jesus Christ, whose sacrifice or priesthood removed sin for all time.

Just as you can find written in

Hebrews 8:4-5New International Version (NIV)

4 If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. 5 They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”[a

And yes, tithe is not compulsory.
What is compulsory is giving your life to Christ
And if really you have the love for Christ, 10% for his work wont be a debate for you.

Is Tithe is compulsory for christians, Yes or No? It is not compulsory, which is No as you said.

I'll give God anything I want. I can give him 10%, 30% or 100%. I'm am not binder by any law, that is what the bible says. Tithe is a compulsory 10% which is not a Christian teaching. True Christians are admonished to give freely not under compulsion or under grudge or to a point where it hurts them. God doesn't need my anything btw.

He made law for 10% tithe because of the levites who were serving at the temple. It was not a provision to enrich them but to support them just as it was a provision to support the poor.

They are no levites today, so tithing has been abolished by the new law.

Pastors under the guise of church and helping the people fend them slaves off from the poverty and riches of their church goers. First century apostles, Paul, Peter and even Jesus didn't need to leave big or wealthy to serve the Lord. They even avoided donation from church members by taking care of their own needs.

felixomor:


Nobody forced tithe payment.
Tithe is not guarantee for heaven.
Nobody teaches that.
Get that first.

So you're saying tithe is not compulsory for christians, is that it?

Second. Jesus priest hood is the same as Melchizedek priesthood. Not "higher than"

Its written right there in the same hebrew u quoted.
But as usual, your eyes wont reach there.
We know why

As your eyes reach there, can you kindly show me the part that says it is the same? What do you also mean by the Melchizedek, the same as Christ priesthood?

felixomor:

The bolded statement your own addition to scripture.

Hebrews 7:5,18 says tithes has been annulled for Christians. How hard is that to understand?

Besides Jesus priesthood is Same as Melchizedek.....

But somehow you went back to Levi priesthood
And u are still trying to sandwich it with Abraham - Melchizedek priesthood which is same as Jesus priest hood.

You didn't say anything here. I said Christ priesthood was higher than any other priesthood which annulled tithes. Simple.

Anwway, as I said.
Your mind is made up.

You've not given me fresh reasons yet, that forces tithe payment on the throat of Christians when they are not Jews.

felixomor:


Genesis 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

I guess your brain will rest now.

Funny you.

In Heb 7:4-10 Apostle Paul refered to that incidence when he said that Christ priesthood was greater than those paid by the Levi, who were assumed to have paid tithes as being of the loins of Abraham.

Note that Abraham did what he did not as a custom or religious obligation. He did not also oblige his descendants to it. So calling it a tithe or a compulsory 10% giving is out of the way.

And yet, apostle Paul still reminded them that Christ priesthood was greater which annulled tithes.

felixomor:

A real Christian desiring to follow Gods word will even go as far as google to search it out.

I wont quote it brah. There is no need.
You know how to get there.

Stop making noise.

Is google your authority now?

Show me one verse from the bible, and stop this back and front, Oga?

Fearcom:


Tithing and Giving are biblical and are expressly written in scripture both old and new testaments.

Fearcom:
1. Until you show me in scripture (new testament) where it is expressly written that tithes have been done away with, I won't accept it
2. GIVING has never been done away with, and TITHING is a part of GIVING.
3. When Jesus told a rich young ruler to GIVE ALL HE HAD to the poor, the bible says he went away SORROWFUL. Also in Acts, the early Christians sold ALL THEY HAD and distributed it among themselves.
If the early Christians gave 100%, why are you having headache over 10%?
4. Fornication the old testament is fornication in the new testament. sin is sin in both testaments. The differences in the old and new testaments is righteousness by faith in the finished work of Chris

Tithe was a law to the Jews.Mal 3:10; De 26:12

Tithe wasn't a law to Christians. Hebrews 7:5,18


They were urged to give freely not under obligation.2 Corinthians 9:7

Christians can choose to give tithe or not so far as it was a voluntary giving according to what their heart compels them.

Apostle Paul did not cajole the church to give. He even worked with his own hands to take care of his needs in spite of his minsterial work. 2 Corinthians 8:1-4; Acts 4:34-3

felixomor:


There is no need learning about Abraham's and Jacobs tithe bro.
If u want to find it,
Trust me, even google knows it

But we all know your mind is made up.
Its the same way Freeze continued to argue even the day he was showed Abraham's tithe.
At first, he thought only levites collected tithe

That's how u will also continue to argue.
So no need.

Baba, we are not arguing, we are reasoning. Know the difference.

You have not even quoted a scripture to back your claim.

Just a scripture would have solved all your ranting

felixomor:

So what of the tithes of Abraham and Jacob that existed before the law came to be?
Or you dont know the principle of tithing precedes the law?


By the way i see how u zoomed and used verse 18 to follow verse 5 and try to make it look verse 18 cancels what is written in verse.

Anyway, as I said, you people should continue.
Una welldone

Lol...I'm besides myself with enormous laughter.

Seriously, I'm naive here, please can you tell me about the tithes paid by Abraham and Jacob

And talking about zooming 18 from 5. Please, what other part of the verse would you like us to read or zoom out?

boookworm:
I guess Malachai 3 vs 10 is in Ababio Chemistry textbook then

Shey you know dey hear word

Mark the difference: Christians and Jews.

Christians are no longer under the Jewish law.

Tithe was an observation under the Jewish law for the sake of the priestly duties in the temple, but since the temple and it duties no longer exist, that was abolished when Jesus who came with a spiritual priesthood arrived.

felixomor:

Not "biblical" indeed
Wow.
Its like Freeze has used instagram to replace you people's bibles....

Continue.

Heb 7:5, 18

Hebrews 7:5King James Version (KJV)

5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham


18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.


When you read the verse, it specifically mentions tithe as part of the law of moses that has been disannulled because it has lost usefulness or profitability

donstan18:




Be a MAN of your way,


Stop forcing yourself to be like "NwaAmaikpe"
You mustn't emulate him to get the attention you've been seeking for!

Stop reasoning from your armpit while typing!!!


There is a between being intelligent and renewal of stupidity in the name of emulation!!

He just mirrors a lot of Nigerians.

Always trying to parasite from someone's else original ideas.

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