₦airaland Forum

TayserMahiri:
Those kind of bastards should be arrested and charged. Whats wrong with you guys? You shouldnt allow ignorance to put children lives at risk.

Hahaha... Am NT in charge I could hv tied him on d tree, after d immunization I wud release him. Buh seriously, its annoying.

Shaytun:
Exactly.

Religion is no excuse for ignorance.

Just take a look at Qatar, UAE, BAHRAIN.

Don't mind d idiots... I have seen it before where one stupid old man refused to allow his children to be immunized to d extent of d state governor( I tink it was Ramalan Yero) coming to d place himself to plead wit d foolish old man, he still declined it.


I can't find a single verse in d Quran where seeking any type of education is prohibited.

Shaytun:
Nigeria actually has one of the best healthcare sysytem in africa.

But many factors are on play here, which are but not limited to:

Religion.
Population.
Education.

E.g During a polio vaccination in some states in northern nigeria, people where actually refusing to be vaccinated because they believe it is unislamic.

Un- Islamic or sheer ignorance cos those saying that don't even know anytin about Islam.

AhluSunnah:
See this one.. olodo ni eleyi o. . you dont even know anything.. you no sabi anything about islam. . better visit voiceofthesalaf.com and get ur brain treated my guy

Ode... See dis didirin you tink say abi robot wey dem don programmed to dey perform specific function wit remote control.


U better visit any programmer mk him re-programme ur brain.

Besides, y can't just answer d simple question instead of behaving lyk ur brodas Isis ND boko haram?

ZKOSOSO:
Buhari's Speech was made to spite Osinbajo and to reassure the HausaFulaniKanuris-Muslims that Nigeria remains their personal property. Imagine a president speaking in Hausa, the most hated people across other regions presently. Buhari has always believed that HausaFulaniKanuris-Muslims own Nigeria.

Y didn't he speak in Kanuri or Fulani then, cos in ur shallow brain you tink all these people understand Hausa.

AhluSunnah:
AHLUSUNNAH AINT A GROUP ON INNOVATION. OUR IMAM IS RASULULLAH

Every Islamic movement or groups IMAM is also Rasuulullah.

TayserMahiri:
Well the context buddy, The context!

Maybe because there frm d middle belt I dunno.

9jakool:
My explanation was for the sake of simplicity, I didn't want to complicate things. It seems you are more interested in an in-dept analysis.
Yes, I know Kirdi is a derogatory term especially among the Fulanis, but among others from the rest of the country, Kirdi just refers to the minority ethnic groups living in the North of Cameroon. As for the bolded, there was a Kirdi "zone" in parts of Adamawa and Taraba. The term Kirdi in the region dates back to around 19th century with the advent of the Fulani's Adamawa emirate and colonization. Parts of today Adamawa and Taraba state were the British Northern Cameroons before they were united with Nigeria. Also, "Kirdi" ethnic groups like the Fali are found in both Nigeria and Cameroon.



Yes, I know the term Kirdi is also not as common as it was. The Fulani became the dominant ethnic group and political force in Northern Cameroon, so the term stuck more. Even in Cameroon, many "Kirdis" have opted for Christianity or Islam like Nigeria. Many tribes that have converted to Christianity or Islam are still called Kirdi. The major difference between those in Cameroon and those in Nigeria is the popularization of the term in Cameroon as opposed to Nigeria.



Yes I am aware of the Christinizition trend among many historically "Kirdi" groups, but there are many who haven't been fully Christianize yet. Also, it's not just Christianity that's spreading to them, but also Islam. While those ethnic groups you listed are majority Christian, some have notable Islam minority like the Marghi for example. In and around Mubi, there are "historical" ethnic groups like Nzanyi and Gude who are mixed in terms of religion or majorly Muslim. There are some "Kirdi" who are predominantly traditional adherents like the Koma, who used the Mandara mountains as a sanctuary.

In Kanuri language "Kirdi" means a pagan.

TayserMahiri:
No you are not

Lolz! I'm also a northerner in fact, a core one but am nt obsessed with fashion. Everyone had what he/she has passion for- and there's nothing bad in doing so.

genieluv:
Lol. I don't need to ask, i know na . Am i not a Nigerian?

*** Gaskiya al'adun yarbawa da yawancin yan kudu akwai damuwa. Mu, a kasashen mu, mun rigar mun daina irin shegu al'adun tun da. Ama yarbawa da yan Edo, sai Ubangiji.

Hahahaha...ni nasan mutanen nan sosai. A inda Na girma, muna dasu sunfi biyar kuma abunda Su ke Yi babu dadin gani ko ji. Suna shan jini, suna cin mushe kuma in kana da dabbobi, kaji ds duk zasu sace. Su su ke gadin anguwa kuma su suke sace-sacen kayan mutane gasu kuma kidahuman jahilai. In kika kaga inda suke tsafinsu, dan tsabar wari da kazanta zai kinyi amai.


Amma suna cewa su musulmai ne duk da basa sallah amma suna bikin sallah da kirisimeti a sabuwar shekara kuma su yanka kare su zuba jininsa a duk lunguna da sakon gidajensu kuma gidan haya ce da mutane kusan dari ga kuma aladu manya- manya a gidan.




In zasu yanka kare- in kan bai fita a bugu daya ba, jifarwa za suyi su nemi wani sabo.

TayserMahiri:
Thanks. Are you from the South? You cannot be northerner. The northerners here seem to be fixated on clothes as the only sign of culture, even prompting me to wonder whether they consider themselves more cultural than the Khoisan. Basically if I got you right, every country has a culture, and in most cases the cultures overlap between traditional and modernity. We are not any less cultural than Nigerians, only that admittedly, Kenyans tend to leave behind things they find unnecessary for modern ones. And not all, some tribes are very resistant to modernisation and you gotta give them time. You fascinated me with the Kirdi region, seems there some badass people living there and I appreciate them for resisting nonsense Jihad. Were there instances of forceful conversion in Nigeria especially by Muslims?

So, am also obsessed about clothes ND culture right

genieluv:
Kk.
Buh if the Danfodio kind of islam was the yoruba kind of islam, why did Danfodio still go ahead to kill all the hausa sarkis claiming that they were mixing paganism with islam? Danfodio radically advocated for the purification of northern islam from every form of paganism.
This was never the case in yoruba land where paganism was allowed to co-exist with islam

**** where then did this islamic extremism come from to hausa land?

And that paganism is d reason y when an Oba dies in Yorubaland, many innocent people's head r butchered ND buried with him. Ask those in yorubaland abt oro ND its carnage.

genieluv:
Kk.
Buh if the Danfodio kind of islam was the yoruba kind of islam, why did Danfodio still go ahead to kill all the hausa sarkis claiming that they were mixing paganism with islam? Danfodio radically advocated for the purification of northern islam from every form of paganism.
This was never the case in yoruba land where paganism was allowed to co-exist with islam

**** where then did this islamic extremism come from to hausa land?

Maybe you should study more about Islam to knw more. Qaddariyya is d Usman fodio Islam while d extremism u talking abt is wahhabism. Most of d Muslims bn killed and their mosques burnt in those arab con3s r Sufis.

Usman Dan fodio might hv forcefully conquered ND killed people, but his form of Islam is not radical. His descendants Sardauna bello ND co had western education ND they r still seeking for it. I knw saying all dis because of d Fulani jihad.




Sunni is divided into two(2): Sufism d liberal one ND d Sunni which comprises wahabism, salafiyya, Izala( Nigeria), ahlu sunnah etc.



Take ur time ND read abt Dem with an open mind to get a clearer picture of each one of Dem.

genieluv:
I will never dispute with what you said cos it is very correct. The kind of islam Danfodio promoted in the core-north was a very destructive one n the negative effects are seen today.

**** The core-northern leaders themselves r now seeing the negative effects of their stupidity n extremism n are trying to educate their people massively like you see in Gombe n Kebbi states. Some still want to continue keeping their people in backwardness like Zamfara state. Buh there was a recent conference of northern governors n leaders on how to revolutionize education in the north. I hope it yields positively.

I totally disagree with you abt d Usman Dan fodio form of Islam been radical here... I have already corrected fresh on dat. The Usman Dan fodio Islam is what most yorubas practice today.

Hati13:
First, Ethiopia isn't a small country either in terms of population or territory. Ethiopia has 102,000,000 population and it's territory is greater than Nigeria.
Ethiopia - 1,103,000 square Kilometers
Nigeria - 900,000 square Kilometers

Second, Ethiopia infrastructures aren't better than Nigeria. Our national carrier is great like you mentioned. Most of our cities are dirty as dirty can get.

Third, Nairobi isn't a country. It's capital city of Kenya.

Fourth, Tanzania isn't a small country.

The most sincere people on this thread...wenedem

genieluv:
No, you n your sisters came here with a wave of bigotry, stupidity n shamelesness.
You guys would have limited yourselves to the ethnic/tribal politics section where your little minds can fully function.

Kiyi hakuri Ki bar maganar...dama nasan da walaki tunda naga Mata biyun nan sun shigo xa'a Dan samu matsala saboda tsastsauran ra'ayin Su.

Ki share Su kawai

Evablizin:
As longs as Naija is concern Falz will not win because many are into fraud business in this APC Depression time,the want to hit it menn menn,only few will stand for the truth spoken by Falz the rest will call him an upcoming artist which day you start to de shine,minding your business there in Aunty Jenifa's voice

True talk

Marcelo290:
You are still beating about the bush, am not talking about elections man, let's say some people hate him cos of his region and tribe, now do the whole country also hate him for same? Go to Benue, Kogi, and most middle belt states that voted him and shout "Sai Baba" and you would see the reaction of people, Nobody is saying Jonathan is perfect, but we voted in an acclaimed 'Messiah' to take us to the promise land, what has he done? this is the big question.

Most of those who voted him are regretting even some Hausa people, except offcus some primitive illiterate core northern Muslim.

You yourself be sincere, can you compare the economy now and in the last two years? that is the point man..

Kiss the truth!

You're jst talking sense now. When u kip generalizing some people from a particular place hate someone because of his religious affiliation daz wat I will never agree with you. Mind you, nt only core northerners still like buhari( you're generalizing again), some people who r not from d core north are stil wit him... You jst want to Mk it a northern tin ND exonerate oda part of d con3 wich is NT right.



I always argue hoping d truth should come from my opponent which I will gladly accept cos I fear, if d truth cums from, he might not accept.


I will always kiss d truth, from whom ever its comes from.

freshest4live:
Ok, but you would agree with me that in general the Yoruba Muslims practice a more peaceful, progressive Islam than what is found in the core North. For example, you can't compare the Senegalese or Ghanians Muslims (who are more peaceful) to Nigerian Muslims or muslims in Afghanistan or Yemen.
My point is that the North lags behind in education and progress mainly because of the particular wahabbi form of Islam they have adopted.

You absolutely right here. I, also practice d Senegalese Islam, you re also right about d wahhabis( ahlusunnah, Izala ND salafis) bn radical Muslims cos we from d north who don't do dere type of Islam r also label " fake Muslims nd people of innovations'( bidi'a).

freshest4live:
Yeah the north has been affected by usman Dan fodio Islam, the core Northern tradition and history, if free of radical Islam or merged with just moderate form of Islam would do great.
Today a 15 year old Northerner from Nigeria(Ibrahim) is the youngest Havard student presently, honoured by even Obama himself.

Nice one but ur assertion abt d Usman Dan fodio form of Islam bn radical is wrong... Am stand to be corrected.

freshest4live:
The problem l have with the North is the radicalized form of Islam they practice. The form of Islam that is against western education and promoted by Usman Dan fodio, is what leaves them lagging behind, afterall the British has been away for the past 50 years now.
Take a look at Dangote, he is an example of what the educated core Northerner can become, the northerners had great empires then and the potential to unleash their talents but they have put themselves behind.
The economy and media would continually be controlled by southerners until the core north begin to embrace education and not just Islamic education alone.
Illiteracy is also the reason why many are prone to kill at the slightest provocation in the name of religion.

Do you have proofs dat Usman Dan Fodio was against western education? cos all his descendants if ant wrong acquired western education and r still seeking for it till today. Usman Dan fodio might have forcefully conquered many territories in d north, but I don't think his type of Islam " the Qaddariyya" are radical Muslims, besides most Yoruba practice it.

Marcelo290:
Nobody is talking about elections here man, try to be objective for once, Buhari can be likened to a plumber who told you your sink is bad, you hired him to come fix it and instead of doing so, he keeps telling you how bad the sink has gone rather than find a substantive solution, keeps feeding your mind with hatred about how the past plumbers did a very poor job, but why was he called? to fix the damn sink!

Buhari should do the needful and stop complaining, that is the point. You know the truth deep down you that things have gone bad, but your love for Buhari cos he's your Muslim brother wont allow you say the truth,..

Speak ye the truth and dou shall set you free!

Another twist to evade a simple argument. " am sympathetic to Buhari cos am a northerner muslim" for d sake of argument, let jst accept even though u can't prove ur assumption. You quick to say; northern hausas dislike Gej not because he didn't perform, but because isn't a northerner Hausa or Fulani muslim, accepted- while do southeasterners' hate Buhari?


In 2011 Benue, kogi, kwara, Adamawa and most southwest states voted Gej massively, while didn't they vote for him in 2015... I guessed its because Hausa/fulani Muslims owned dos states too daz y since he performed wonderfully?



I also guess SE don't hate Buhari because he's a northerner christians too...



You can't accused people of what you r also guilty of and say you're bn objective, daz a blatant lie, you knw it deep inside you.


If you want to be objective sincerely, then u shud stop saying some people hate bla bla cos u also do dsame.



Lastly, d person I quoted was talking about Northerners hate Gej, I equally asked him to do dsame for d SE ND see if dey also love a northern muslim... Daz why d election stuff came in not weda Buhari has done well or nt talk of me bn defensive cos daz illogical.

mtis:
No noo I don't support any side in ya disagreement.. Personally I don't give a butt about all this politic thingy in Africa..I just want a leader who can pull Africans out of their miserable situation they are in even if that leader is an oyibho (white dude)..I learned that politics has no friends or enemies an the guys who benefits are the one on top of the chain an that they don't care about their people just their stomachs an that religion an tribe is just another toll to control the zombies

Lolz! the same people hating d current govt r dsame people saying northerners hate Gej because of tribe ND religion... Was d difference btw Dem nd d northerners?



D south-west voted for Gej massively in 2011( he won 5states then), and dsame south west voted against him massively in d last election cos he only won a state out of 6 in d region. Now, wud same people say- it's because of religion ND tribe again since dsame people were urs best friends 6yrs ago ND nw ur enemies. Besides, Gej even won some states in North Central ND a state in north east " nasarawa, plateau and taraba"



Buhari didn't win in d southeast ND south-south likewise Gej in d northwest ND northeast excluding taraba.



Those regions don't have any difference to me cos they r both dsame; tribalistic, religious bigots etc( northwest ND southeast).

mtis:
I wouldn't comment much on Jonathan development thingy coz am not from naija but have to agree to a certain degree with what you said..had a friend from North (Fulani or Hausa can't remember) before election an I can tell many guys from north did not like Jonathan ..it wasn't because of development stuff but more to do with tribal or even religious affiliation.

The guy told me Jonathan will loss an when that happens the guy will travel back to naija.an that what happened..

Lolz! I tink you do dsame for those who hate d current govt ND see where most of Dem come from too. The tribal war didn't start today, it has been there since d 60s.

freshest4live:
Ok then, we put this case to rest.

Better wenedem( d most used word on this thread) amesegenalehu to Hati for that:-)

freshest4live:
That's true of course, then as a politician in a country like Nigeria you would have to approach things both intelligently and realistically and not make statements that could easily give weapons to your enemies. It's not about being mislead.
Like l said l'm not in the league of those condemning Bubu outrightly with emotions without looking at the big picture, and l know some of his appointments cuts across the ethnic groups and shouldn't be viewed from a tribal point of view but the one where DSS got 51 slots from his state katsina alone, is something that could have easily being avoided, don't you think so?

I'm also against dat stuff cos its doesn't Mk sense at all.

ednited:
Clever, you are learning well

Nagode... Amesegenalehu ehit. Salem-un

freshest4live:
Anything you wanna ask??

Not really. I just tink d debate won't yield anytin positive.

ednited:
Gobez, tiru eyetemark new

Meaning?

ednited:
take care has no direct translation but it's more of like -selam hun

it's confusing but

thank you- Amesegenalehu

Amesegenalehu

freshest4live:
I think the recession we are facing has to do with Buhari's economic policies in part, but mainly due to fall in oil prices affecting foreign exchange and our brothers from the south south Niger Delta Avengers. These were some of the toughest guys Buhari had to deal with, and it is believed in some quarters that the stress from avengers even contributed greatly to Bubu's poor health.

Where u get d health part issue from

freshest4live:
Queen of Nepal is right though, Buhari is tribalistic and is guilty as charged of some things she has accused him of, but l think with respect to Fulani herdsmen issue, the State Governors are partly to be blamed for not taking action especially those in Bubu's APC party, Fayose in Ekiti state dealt with the Herdsmen as the Governor. This Herdsmen palaver in my opinion should be handled by Governors and even community leaders, but this Herdsmen believe they are untouchable probably because they hail from Bubu's ethnic group and Bubu on his part has done little to address the issue.
However on the issue of BokoHaram, Bubu has been tougher and much better than good luck majorly because he relocated the army to Maiduguri (the BokoHaram capital then) and in few months, the army claimed all 14 territories from BokoHaram.
This is something Goodluck failed to do, Good luck was damn too passive with BokoHaram, so l'll cut some slack for Bubu there.

Like seriously...