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genieluv:
Kk, bring your own list. This is the one i have acess to and it covered the demographics for 2010-15 (5 years).
There is no basis of comparison please. Look at Jigawa, Zamfara, Kebbi, Sokoto, Yobe, Borno e.t.c

*****Running away from the truth will not help you n just as nowenuse said, you are an enlightened person and you need to help your people cos they seem to be missing it.

Lolz! But r these only d core northern states? See, am not arguing abt Jigawa, yobe, kebbi etc comparable to Benue or Jos with u guys... You r d one who brought d Kano ND Jos stuff. Your is dat, u like jumping from d initial argument to something else entirely


In life, everytin is abt interest just away u have interest on guys with muscular statue.



The are many core north Muslims who r more enlighten than you and I respectively.

genieluv:
***Southern kaduna land may look poor, buh the people are not predominantly poor. That is the point. They are getting more enlightened and leaving poverty compared to core-northerners. That is what we are really saying. Many southern rural areas also look very underdeveloped like those in the north, buh the people from those places are not that poor.

----Most of those families you see in those mud houses in southern kaduna villages are trainning university students/graduates. It's just that many of them don't go back to their villages to build new houses.
I am not blaming anyone, just trying to clarify facts and set them straight.

Holly You are making us go round in circles. We are talking about individual progress here n not past military dictators.

Oh my God! Who is talking abt where they live...am talking abt d people demselves who look very poor from their appearance. So u mean people from d muslim north in d villages don't send their children to d universities?



D military dictators a part of Nigeria History of failure, they must b input in d equation to Mk it balance.

Nowenuse:
Southern kadunas are already helping themselves by becoming highly educated and leaving poverty for you guys. Lol

Running your mouth here will not stop millions of your Kanuri people from being refugees all over Nigeria and other countries. Why don't you go and attach a bomb and blow yourself up as your prophet of piss Mohammed told you to? Or don't you want to meet your 72 virgins? Terrorists!

You just talking now... The vampire in you have started surfacing


Oya, everybody shud start to run bfore Nowenuse starts to eat you cos he's a cannibal demon bn pretentious cos I knw it frm d onset


Even Jesus Christ pbuh will reject ds demon

genieluv:
@Ishalbash >>>>Here is the thread. Jamb application for the last 5 years in different Nigerian states.

https://www.nairaland.com/3709501/see-jamb-applications-geopolitical-regions

Lolz! Tomorrow now u guys will call me an illiterate from core muslim north


Is this d just concluded jamb reg?

You wan do me leg over abi

Nowenuse:
genieluv has given you the perfect reply. No matter how you choose to take it, we are making more progress than you 'mentally enslaved imbecilles' .
My mother was from a very poor family n village in Plateau, like those you see in southern kaduna and other northern christian areas, but due to education, she and all her sibblings today have left that village and are living large/very comfortable today. Some are now millionaires. This is exactly how it is in most northern christian and middlebelt areas, can you say the same for core-northerners?
Can you see why we are better than you guys? Our way of life makes it easier for the poorest of the poor to become educated millionaires tomorrow, unlike yours where the rich keep getting richer and the poor keeps getting poorer.

Imagine a state like Kano, with all the wealth and urbanization, yet, about 70% of the people still live in extreme poverty and this is the most progressive core-northern state, while other core-northern states are dragging poverty rates with Niger republic and yet the governors are building more mosques. Lol.

If i were you, i would go and work on how to liberate my people from the shackles of religious bondage and not running your mouth here like a tap. You backward people were the ones who dragged our own people backwards, but thank God now, we are increasingly associating with the southerners and are now catching up with them rapidly. Nonsense!

Hahhahahah... People r talking a Chinese slowpoke is also talking... Guy go and help ur people in southern kd villages bfore cumin here to rant like a newly madman who escaped from yaba left. See who's calling sum1 a slave...what an irony!


I don't blame you though since you a cannibal from Jos, u r already programmed to act like a robot

genieluv:
Naaah, they secured northern interests. Northerners dominate the miliatary n civil services in Nigeria till date, courtesy to them. The problem is with the culture of the northerners (core-northern muslims especially), who despise western education n hence failed to develop themselves. Sectors like media, economy n others are largely private driven, hence the southerners being more individually developed than northerners have to dominate them.

****Oh yes of course, Southern kd is better than northern kd in literacy n poverty rates. As poor as southern kd villages may be, it is almost impossible for you to find a child, teenager or youth that does not go to school or is an illiterate. Can you say the same for northern kd people? You cannot underestimate the power of literacy. Their people are rapidly coming out of poverty n developing themselves. If you doubt this, visit any southern kd village during christmas n see the beautiful, educated, well-living people you will find, who all came back home to celebrate the festivity with their parents n grandparents back the in the village.

##### As for the hastag, we seem to use northern muslims for backwardness, cos core-northern muslims constitute a far larger percentage of northern muslims (like 75%), buh we mostly use 'core-north' if you are sincere. We may use middlebelt for success cos some of the middlebelt muslims are also almost as progressive as the middlebelt christians n cannot be left out.

Holly Kano more than Benue? That can never happen. Let me go n bring the list here. Kano may be more than Plateau cos they have far more indigenes than Plateau. So, to be on fair grounds, you should compare Plateau with Katsina or other core-northern states.

Lolz! During festive periods, it happened anyway even in my core northern/muslim village in jigawa so, there's noting new there. You see ur problem, u like moving in zigzags... U r one who compared plateau to Kano nt me. I will still reiterate that southern kd is damn poor ND backward with noting gud to show for. And if its happened wat will you do?


Ok... Middlebelt Muslims r progressive, not arguing dat with you daz y I included IBB ND Gowon as part of Nigeria's failure cos rthey r ur progressive people.



Lolz! You don't know they r many northern christians in d force ND civil service like d muslims because sum1 is bearing Sani, Isah, Musa doesn't necessarily mean they r Muslims. This same scenario lead many of ur kinsmen to their early graves during d 2011 post election violence.


Blaming ur enemies all d time won't help u my sister... It's expedient to stop it and equally share d blame though, I knw humans can't be neutral they must tilt a little to show their sentiments.

obaaderemi:
And the fuji music na sometin else.Come see big bumbums everywhere.Omo!Those people dey party like sey tomorrow no dey.

Baba u sabi d Koko... Dat fuji beat Wey dey Mk pesin swing like pendulum ball.

One poor baba landlord died close to my street, they slaughtered 7cows excluding Xtra meat, fish ND d small ewure( goats)

Even me folo bend down low shake body

kaylinda:
Taysermahiri, bifwoli and mtis.......what genieluv is telling you guys is nothing but the truth. ....The best and most expensive attires, outings and parties for most Nigerians are traditional. We also engage in other outings and events, but none beats the traditional.

I know d Yorubas even if they r d most poorest people in dat community, they wud surely buy d best attires wen party is involved

TayserMahiri:
I'm just saying you are the medicine for Nowenuse and his shenanigans

Wenedem.

TayserMahiri:
hehehe, kumbe we pia umeobserve. ako sawa, uyo msee anatakanga kushikwa ivo

Baba werey wat r you saying

mtis:
@tayser huyu msee anaitwa Isahalbash amemshika Nowe vibaya mpaka nikamlike..Nowe siku hizi ametulia

Translate in English plz

Nowenuse:
Perfect explanation to Ishalbash.
Core-northerners should continue to wallow in backwardness while other Nigerians get educated, enlightened and leaving poverty. Their population will keep on being used as slaves and cheap labour for other Nigerians to make more wealth.

Since am not a slave ND an illiterate like some of your people Ai ba matsala.

9jakool:
Nice explanation.
ok. if you say so, what are the names of Hausa towns in Borno?

These r d names of some of their villages in Borno; Dasuman, Maiwa, Dogon Baga, Dambere and Zabarmari.

genieluv:
Holly i understand you. The definition between the middlebelt n core-north is sometimes not to emphasized, politically buh as for Babangida n Gowon, they represented northern agenda (core-north driven agendas) n not for middlebelters. They were like puppets in the hands of core-northerners if you ask me. Though i wouldn't blame them much cos during the times when they grew up, there was no much difference between the middlebelt n corenorth.
Besides Babangida is of hausa ancestry apparently, his grandfather migrated from Sokoto to Minna. He is not a gbagyi man by origin.

****Northern kaduna may be more developed infrastructurally than southern kaduna, buh if we look at the life n development of the people, no comparison, it's vice versa. It's just like comparing Kano & Plateau states. Kano might be more developed/urbanised buh Plateau people have a higher human development index.

There's noting like northern agenda or bn a puppet to d north cos they r all doing it for their interest not mine nor my people. All of Dem r fucking rich in detriment to their people.


I don't think southern kd is beta than northern kd in terms of literacy ND poverty rates. The poor women I see every morning inside Abu Zaria sweeping ND cleaning r frm both sides. Maybe Nowenuse shud visits some villages there like CBN is doing to help Dem annihilate poverty Totally


Last bullet... You guys shud stop using d ash tag" northern Muslims" wen attributing failure ND middlebelt for success cos u r NT bn fair to d Muslims in mblt ND christians in d far north. The last time I checked, they r more jamb applicants from Kano compare to Jos ND Benue during d just concluded jamb reg.

Nowenuse:
Hahaha, poverty and illiteracy is rapidly reducing in our areas compared to yours. If you don't consider that as progress, then i wonder what is, maybe building more mosques with govt money is a sign of progress to you.
Everyone knows your people have the highest poverty and illiteracy rates in Nigeria.

No one is being an hypocrite. How many civilian presidents have come from the middlebelt and how many from the core-north?

Lolz my people indeed... Maybe you shd take a stroll to d villages in southern Kaduna nd tell Dem that. Oh! Now is abt civilian govt

Continue running like kangaroo

Krak:
They DEFUSED a bomb not DETONATE
Our illiterate reporters sef.

They detonated d bomb and d car didn't explode

genieluv:
Holly As much as i dislike this argument ~~Middlebelters have higher literacy rates n lower poverty rates than core-northerners~~

And d literate mbters r not better than d literate northerners.


Southern Kaduna is poorer than d northern part of kd... Don't attribute Nigeria's failure to d core north and exonerate d mb frm it. U guys like using " northern Muslims" wen talking abt leadership and used " core- north" for illiteracy ND poverty daz hypocritical cos both Yakubu Gowon & Babangida are from d middlebelt and dey ruled Nigeria for 17yrs combined, which is more than what core northerners( as u called them) have ruled during military ND civilian rule combined.



Always b fair when judging peoples success ND failure.

Nowenuse:
No, education came to all northerners the same time but as it stands now, the northern christians/middlebelt people have far surpassed the northern muslims/core-northerners in education.
The difference started being obvious not too long ago and is becoming more obvious by the day.

Yes, the life of the average Igbo or southerner may be better than the life of the average northern christian, but with the way the northern christians are making progress, in a very short time from now we will catch up with the south. We have almost caught up with them educationally. While you core-northerners are still decades behind others and are not making any reasonable human progress.

Action speaks louder than words


Poverty is an epitome of southern kaduna... You guys r not better than d core north in all ramification. Stop deceiving urself.





Hahahh... Which progress r you guys making apart from ur hatred for muslims... U always shout middlebelt, but wen it turns to who ruled Nigeria most, u turn it to northern muslim as if d 2middlebelters who ruled Nigeria during d military era was nt more than d core northerners have ruled both in military ND civilian era combined.



Stop bn an hypocrite ND kiss d truth.

mtis:
man we tribalist to the core in Africa..ask them if Yoruba Muslims share mosques with Hausa..its like the Muslim Indians an Somalis here ..they dont share Mosques

We do here... I even lead prayers at times if d imam is absent

Muafrika2:
African countries share the same problems.

U are right... You also sabi d koko Miss Africa

Nowenuse:
Don't mind Ishalbash. This is the problem we have in the north and the reason why northern Nigeria will continue to be divided.
It's just a matter of time till you will start seeing very strong agitations from middlebelt youths.

Although i may not blame his so much cos he is from Jigawa ( a hausa dominated state) and is so used to hausas. If not, the average Kanuri man from Borno that i know of will never tell you that there are hausa indigenes in Borno state. Never.

Imagine someone saying Hausas are indigenous to Adamawa, Taraba, Gombe, Plateau, Borno e.t.c

Lolz! My origin is from Jigawa but I have never lived with hausas before. I live all my life in Lagos.

Muafrika2:
Those need to be convinced by people power,

But am sure that would not need blood shed if someone put effort into educating the public about the new system, if it is indeed fair and equitable. If Yorubas for example stood to gain as much as Igbos and even the tiny unknown tribes, and even Fulani's, why would they resist?

Most African countries are economically structured to benefit afew elite. Any community would be glad to be empowered.

U sabi d koko

mtis:
feel the wrath of Nowenuse

Am just avoiding sum stuffs

9jakool:
Nice explanation.
ok. if you say so, what are the names of Hausa towns in Borno?

Sincerely, I don't know cox I don't hv knowledge abt d names of villages and towns in Borno state.

Nowenuse:
Southern kaduna people have been dominated because in the old Kaduna state (which Katsina people were part of), Hausas were an absolute majority and the southern kadunas had no stake as they were just like 20% of the population.
Since Katsina people got their state, it has left Kaduna state a 50/50 btw hausas and southern kadunas and a united southern kaduna (chungai) identity has evolved.

Your Kanuri people in Jigawa may not have a traditional ruler cos we all know how hausa-fulani emirs were forced on many northern tribes during the colonial era. But your people have dozens of villages and cultural terrains in Jigawa.
Hausas have no ancestral villages anywhere in the north-central or north-east.

Hausas/northern muslims have been dominating Nigeria politically but what progress do they have to show for it? You will agree with me that the life of an average Igbo man today is better than the life of an average hausa/northern muslim today.
So, if you ask me, i think political domination is almost useless in the hands of hausas cos they use it only in empowering a few elites while their own masses suffer the worst poverty in Nigeria.

Southern kaduna people today are already more educated and enlightened than Hausas in northern kaduna. It is just a matter of time before they take over the intellectual and economic domination of Kaduna state and start enslaving the same hausa people just as you see many northerners in the south today as slaves.
So pathetic!

Hahahhahaha....... Why r you trying to be mischievous by dis statement;"You will agree with me that the life of an average Igbo man today is better than the life of an average hausa/northern muslim today."

Is the life of and average Igbo man not better than the life of an average northern/ christians life?


Are d northern christians not educated than their muslim counterpart before?
If you can't dominate dem when they were staked illiterates... Sorry! I don't see you dominating Dem now when they r gettin more enlighten now

Do you know the names of all d villages in Borno before concludn they don't have any?

Nowenuse:
Only plateau? It also happens in Taraba, Kaduna, Adamawa and even Bauchi states @TayserMahiri

U better distinguished hausas from fulanis cox d taraba one is btw fulanis nd some tribes there, besides, the fulanis r also indigenes too.

Nowenuse:
Those Kanuris in Nasarawa state are now adressed as 'Kambaris'. Most Nasarawa people don't call them kanuris. They migrated to Lafia over 200 years ago (pre-colonial), yes they have kanuri ancestry but they have been culturally cut off from kanuri motherland and have lost the kanuri cultures. They have no villages and are just found in Lafia town.
The more that town grows, the more their population vanishes. Although they are lucky to have the current Emir of Lafia to protect their interests. Other tribes are now also agitating to produce the next Emir of Lafia and they may succeed.

They maybe called any names by d people there, but dat can't stop Dem from being kanuris, besides, they spk d language fluently. And about Dem bein extinct, I don't think that will ever happened no matter wat, their population will never vanish... If I cud live for 200years in a particular place as a minority without losing my identity, is it now dat I'm identifying myself first as a kanuri that I wud lost it?

TayserMahiri:
So Seun is Yoruba? I saw his name is Oluwaseun

Yea, he's.

9jakool:
Ok, by "native" especially in the Nigerian context, I mean being indigene. Let's just differentiate between indegene and native.

I knw personally as someone who has relatives from borno that they r hausas indigene of borno though they r odas who r mainly not from there.


thecaliberassociates.com/ borno/.../ethnic- ...





Bomo State is quite heteroe, geneous. The Kanuri is the dominant ethnic group aand accounts for about threequarters of the popust lation of the state. The Kanuris inhabit Abadam, Mobbar, Gubio, Guzamala, Kukawa, Nganzai, er Monguno, Marte, Ngala, KalaBalga, Dikwa, Bama, Konduga, Mafa, Kaga, Magumeri, Damboa and o, Maiduguri LGAs. Other ethnic groups are Baburd Bura, Shuwa, Marghi, Fulani, Hausa, Gamergu, or Kanakuru, Chibok, Ngoshe, Guduf, Mandara, Tera oand several other smaller groups. Babur Bura are found in Biu, Hawul, KwayaKusar, Bayo and Shani LGAs. The Marghis have their homes in Askira/Uba in and parts of Gwoza LGAs. The Mandara of Gwoza ie LGA is made up of several ethnic subgroups.
The Chibok, another minority group, inhabit the newly as created Chibok LGA. The Shuwas form the dominant group and inhabit Mafa, rural Jere, Marte, Monguno, Dikwa, Ngala and KalaBalge LGAs and also form a significant minority in Bama and Konduga LGAs. The Hausas are mainly in Askira and Maiduguri. Nomadic herdsmen of varied origin are classified as Fulani. They are found in small 30 numbers in all the LGAs in the state
Languages: Thirty languages could be considered indigenous languages of the state. Kanuri is the dominant language. The languages of the original inhabitants such as the Gamergu and Wula are nearly extinct due to “kanurization.” Conscious or unconscious “kanurization” is still in progress. A dialect of Arabic is spoken by the Shuwa Arabs. The Marghis of Damboa have lost their language and now speak only Kanuri. Hausa and Fulfulde have the majority of their speakers outside the state. Others, like the Marghi and Mandara languages, are spoken by groups with cultural links with Cameroun.
Culture and Arts: Arabic culture and arts have influenced, and in some cases, replaced the culture and arts of the inhabitants. Islam is the religion of most of the inhabitants of the state. Islamic laws, customs and dress are pervasive and in most cases have supplanted native laws, customs, beliefs and dress.

9jakool:
So by your definition, there are Igbos who are native to Kano?

Likewise hausas/ igbos who r indigenes of Lagos since they dominate some places according to ur definition...

9jakool:
Can you give the local government areas where Hausa dominate in Borno?
Bro, Hausa aren't native to Borno. Just because you are born there doesn't mean you are an indigine of the land. Just like if you were born in Lagos doesnot mean Igbos or Hausas are native to Lagos?

I knw all dat daz y I never claimed to be an indigene of Lagos in d first place and you don't need to dominate a local govt to be a native of dat state.





If am to go by d actual definition of " indigenous," then many tribes in Nigeria are not indigenes of d states/ places they dominated today since most of Dem migrated from somewhere nd settled in where they r today.




We Have Hausas who r native of borno just d way we have kanuris as natives of Nasarawa state respectively.