Christianity Etc › Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Ishilove(op): 3:27pm On Jun 28 |
GloriousGbola: this post is spambot compliant I chose my words carefully 😂😂😂 |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Ishilove(op): 3:26pm On Jun 28 |
The post has a source which I posted there, and I also made the observation that history in many forms can not be fully objective. Most students of history know the remote and immediate causes of the Crusades. There are several sides and each side will narrate events coloured with their own bias. This is the Islamic side. Anyone is free to disagree. It is your prerogative. |
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Christianity Etc › Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Ishilove(op): 2:36pm On Jun 28 |
FreeStuffsNG: There are some very interesting account in the "The Silk Roads: A New History of the World" by Oxford historian Peter Frankopan.
It will make you see the current crisis in modern day west Asia and the role played by China, Turkey, Russia, Italy and India/Pakistan as a cycle of history that goes way back.
Below is pix of my hardcopy of the book. Thank you. I'll search out the hard copy. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Ishilove(op): 2:33pm On Jun 28 |
sweetjohn: Nonesense post. The crusade was formed as a reesult of the Muslim Ottoman Empire that were killing millions of Christians and jews in Europe and around the world. The European Christians then formed the crusade to teach Muslims a lesson and defend Christianity from extinction[s][/s] You're missing the point. Yes, the Crusades did not arise in a vacuum; They were, in part, a response to years of conflict and Muslim expansion into Christian lands. But that doesn't mean they should be seen as some glorious or heroic campaign. They also involved massacres, brutality, and the suffering of countless innocent people. History is best understood with all its complexity, not through romanticised stories. Like HeatSeeker pointed out up there, blood curdling, hair raising atrocities were committed on both sides. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Ishilove(op): 1:25pm On Jun 28 |
Kobojunkie: The Crusades did not begin in the first century AD. That's almost 10 centuries(1000 years) after the first century. And the crusades came after the Islamist warlords of Arabia had invaded and colonized the following lands, reducing much of the population to slave status: ⚈ Christian Egypt(Conquered between 639 - 642) ⚈ Christian Italy(even attacking Rome in 846) ⚈ Christian Libya (647 AD - 742 AD) ⚈ Christian Tinusia (647 AD - 742 AD) ⚈ Christian Algeria (647 AD - 742 AD) ⚈ Christian Morocco (647 AD - 742 AD) ⚈ Christian Cypress(even attacking Rome in 846) ⚈ Christian Crete (even attacking Rome in 846) ⚈ Christian Armenia (638 AD - 639 AD) ⚈ Christian Spain ( 711 AD - 714 AD) ⚈ Christian Portugal ( 711 AD - 714 AD) ⚈ Christian Byzantine/Turkey (Circa 8th century) ⚈ Christian Syria-Palestine( 634 AD - 641 AD) . 
All of the above were regions that Islam invaded and colonized, enslaving and massacring its way through the Christian world. All of the above took place before the Christians, who then decided it was best they fought back if they were to survive the scourge.  I know when it began. That century thing confuses me a lot. 1095 is the ELEVENTH century, not FIRST 😂😂😂😂 |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Ishilove(op): 1:21pm On Jun 28*. Modified: 8:45pm On Jun 28 |
HeatSeeker: This comment was unnecessary  Actually, it isn't. I don't want anyone to start spamming the thread with "plz summarize". |
Christianity Etc › The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Ishilove(op): 8:43pm On Jun 27 |
I came across this very interesting post about the Christian crusades that began sometime in the first century AD. The thing about history is this: it is difficult to come across a completely unbiased narration of events. I'll leave you to judge. Kindly exit now if you have the attention span of a tweet.The carnage unleashed by the Christian Crusaders upon the Islamic world they invaded, ostensibly to avenge the mistreatment of Christian pilgrims:
"When the first crusaders came trickling into the Muslim world, the locals had no idea who they were dealing with. Early on, they assumed the interlopers to be Balkan mercenaries working for the emperor in Constantinople. The first Muslim ruler to encounter them was a Seljuk prince, Kilij Arslan, who ruled eastern Anatolia from the city of Nicaea, about three days’ journey from Constantinople.
One day in the summer of 1096, Prince Arslan received information that a crowd of odd-looking warriors had entered his territory, odd because they were so poorly outfitted: a few did look like warriors, but the rest seemed like camp followers of some kind. Almost all wore a cross-shaped patch of red cloth sewn to their garments. Arslan had them followed and watched. He learned that these people called themselves the Franks; local Turks and Arabs called them al-Ifranj (“the Franj”).
The interlopers openly proclaimed that they had come from a distant western land to kill Muslims and conquer Jerusalem, but first they intended to take possession of Nicaea. Arslan plotted out the route they seemed to be taking, laid an ambush, and smashed them like so many ants, killing many, capturing many more, and chasing the rest back into Byzantine lands. It was so easy that he gave them no more thought.
He didn’t know that this “army” was merely the ragtag vanguard of a movement that would plague Muslims of the Mediterranean coast for another two centuries. While Urban had been speaking to the aristocracy up at the monastery, a vagabond named Peter the Hermit had been preaching the same message out on the streets. Urban had addressed nobles and knights, but presumably any Christian who went crusading could get the remission of sins the pope was offering, so Peter the Hermit was able to recruit from all classes—peasants, artisans, tradespeople, even women and children. His “army” left before the formal army could get organized, in part because his “army” didn’t feel much need to get organized. They were off to do God’s work; surely God would take care of the arrangements. It was these tens of thousands of cobblers, butchers, peasants and the like that Kilij Arslan succeeded in crushing.
The next year, when Kilij Arslan heard that more Franj were coming, he dismissed the threat with a shrug. But the Crusaders in this next wave were real knights and archers led by combat-hardened military commanders from a land where the combat never stopped. Arslan’s engagement with them came down to a battle of lightly clad mobile horseman firing arrows at the armored tanks that were the medieval knights of western Europe. The Turks picked off the Franj foot soldiers, but the knights formed defensive blocks that arrows could not penetrate and kept moving slowly, ponderously, and inexorably forward. They took Arslan’s city and sent him running to one of his relatives for refuge. The knights then split up, some heading inland toward Edessa, the rest heading down the Mediterranean coast toward Antioch.
The king of Antioch sent a desperate appeal to the king of Damascus, a man named Daquq. The king of Damascus wanted to help, but he was nervous about his brother Ridwan, the king of Aleppo, who would swoop in and grab Damascus if Daquq were to leave it. The ruler of Mosul agreed to help, but he got distracted fighting someone else along the way, and when he did arrive—late—he got into a fight with Daquq who had also finally arrived—late—and these two Muslim forces ended up going home without helping Antioch at all. From the Muslim side, this was the story of the early Crusades: a tragicomedy of internecine rivalry played out in city after city. When Antioch fell, the knights took vengeance for the city’s resistance with some indiscriminate killing, and then kept heading south, towards a city called Ma’ara.
Knowing what had happened at Nicaea and Antioch, the Ma’arans were terrified. They too sent urgent messages to nearby cousins, begging for help, but their cousins were only too glad to see the wolves from the west batter Ma’ara, each one hoping to absorb the city for himself once the Franj had blown by. So Ma’ara had to face the Franj alone.
The Christian knights set siege to the city and reduced it to desperation— but in the process reduced themselves to desperation as well, because they ate every scrap of food in the vicinity and then commenced to starve. Obviously, no one was going to feed these invaders, and that was the problem with setting a long siege in a strange land.
At last Franj leaders sent a message into the city assuring the people of Ma’ra that none of them would be harmed if they simply opened their gates and surrendered. The city notables decided to comply. But once the Crusaders made it into Ma’ara, they did more than slaughter. They went on a frightening rampage that included boiling adult Muslims up for soup and skewering Muslim children on spits, grilling them over open fires, and eating them.
I know this sounds like horrible propaganda that the defeated Muslims might have concocted to slander the Crusaders, but reports of Crusader cannibalism in this instance come from Frankish as well as Arab sources. Frankish eyewitness Radulph of Caen, for example, reported on the boiling and grilling. Albert of Aix, also present at the conquest of Ma’ara, wrote, “Not only did our troops not shrink from eating dead Turks and Saracens; they also ate dogs!” What strikes me about this statement is the implication that eating dogs was worse than eating Turks, which makes me think that this Franj, at least, considered Turks a different species from himself.
Amazingly enough, even after this debacle, the Muslims could not unite. Examples abound. The ruler of Homs sent the Franj a gift of horses and offered them advice about what they might sack next (not Homs). The Sunni rulers of Tripoli invited the Franj to make common cause with them against the Shi’i. (Instead, the Franj conquered Tripoli.)
When the Crusaders first arrived, the Egyptian vizier al-Afdal sent a letter to the Byzantine emperor, congratulating him on the “reinforcements” and wishing the Crusaders every success! Egypt had long been locked in a struggle with both the Seljuks and the Abbasids, and al-Afdal really thought the newcomers would merely help his cause. It didn’t seem to dawn on him until too late that he himself might be in the line of pillage.
After the Franj conquered Antioch, the Fatimid vizier wrote to them to ask if there was anything he could do to help. When the Franj moved against Tripoli, Afdal took advantage of the distraction to assert control of Jerusalem in the name of the Fatimid khalifa. He posted his own governor there and assured the Franj they were now welcome to visit Jerusalem anytime as honored pilgrims: they would have his protection. But the Franj wrote back to say they were not interested in protection but in Jerusalem, and they were coming “with lances raised.”
The Franj marched through largely empty country, for their reputation had preceded them. Rural folks had fled at their approach, and small towns had emptied into larger cities with higher walls for protection. Jerusalem had some of the highest walls around, but after a forty-day siege, the Crusaders tried the same gambit they had run successfully at Ma’ara—open the gates, no one will be harmed, they told the citizens—and it worked here too.
Upon securing this city, the Franj indulged in an orgy of bloodletting so drastic it made all the previous carnage seem mild. One crusader, writing about the triumph, described piling up heads, hands, and feet in the streets. (He called it a “wonderful sight.”) He spoke of crusaders riding through heathen blood up to their knees and bridle reins. Edward Gibbon, the British historian who chronicled the fall of the Roman Empire, said the Crusaders killed seventy thousand people here over the course of two days. Of the city’s Muslims, virtually none survived.
The city’s Jewish denizens took refuge in their gigantic central synagogue, but while they were in there praying for deliverance, the Crusaders blockaded all the doors and windows and set fire to the building, burning up pretty much the entire Jewish community of Jerusalem in one fell swoop. The city’s native Christians did not fare so well either. None of them belonged to the Church of Rome but to various Eastern churches such as the Greek, Armenian, Coptic, or Nestorian. The crusading Franj looked upon them as schismatics bordering on heresy, and since heretics were almost worse than heathens, they confiscated the property of these eastern Christians and sent them into exile."
~ Source: Destiny Disrupted: A History of the World Through Islamic Eyes by Tamim Ansary
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Politics › Re: Akara: Mrs Tinubu Was Talking To People She Gave ₦50,000, Not You (By Naptu2) by Ishilove: 8:16pm On Jun 27 |
It was all about context. |
Celebrities › Re: Nollywood Actor Joseph Momodu Joins US Army (Photos) by Ishilove: 7:40pm On Jun 26 |
Don't know him |
Politics › Re: Hardships; Start Akara And Corn Roasting Business- Remi Tinubu by Ishilove: 4:43pm On Jun 26 |
helinues: See the innocent advise oo, they will start to be attacking the first lady
You can remain in the abject poverty if her advise don't make sense to you
No be everything una need to be wailing, nagging and hitting your head on the wall for Oya carry basin and groundnut oil come to the roadside so that you can start frying akara, since what she said makes sense to you. |
Crime › Re: ‘They Poured Petrol On Me And Set Me On Fire’: Displaced Katsina Farmer Recounts by Ishilove: 12:16pm On Jun 26 |
naptu2: Israel? How many times has Israel attacked ISIS? I really don't care, my love. As long as they are jihadists, I lump all of them in the same category |
Romance › Re: You'll Find Love Without Money. But Only When You're A Boy by Ishilove: 12:13pm On Jun 26 |
See better person. I hope she values what she has. |
Crime › Re: ‘They Poured Petrol On Me And Set Me On Fire’: Displaced Katsina Farmer Recounts by Ishilove: 12:11pm On Jun 26 |
GloriousGbola: They have been trained well by ISIS
You may have forgotten that isis burned people alive, slaughtered people alive and streamlined/filmed it all
And now they have exported it all to their jihad in west africa Training given by psychopaths to psychopaths, which is why I have no pity when Israel gives it back to them without caring whose ox is gored. These people have no business existing |
Crime › Re: ‘They Poured Petrol On Me And Set Me On Fire’: Displaced Katsina Farmer Recounts by Ishilove: 9:45am On Jun 26 |
They poured petrol on me and set me on fire, right on my head. They struck a match and lit it, then they just left,” Hassan said.
He also disclosed that one of the attackers remained behind to watch him burn after setting him on fire. This is not the action of normal human beings. This is a drug addled psychopathic behaviour and should be treated as such. No reintegration into the society but instant annihilation. People like this have no business in the society and it speaks of abject governmental failure. |
Romance › Re: Here's Why I Didn't Have Sex Till 42 Years by Ishilove: 3:59am On Jun 26 |
Duke007: My brother, don't throw away something you have faithfully preserved for over four decades because of pressure from people. At almost 45, it would be a tragic mistake to exchange your convictions for a few moments of pleasure just to feel accepted.
The Bible says, "You are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world." — 4:4. You don't have to bow to peer pressure or worldly expectations.
Also remember, "Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him." — 2:15.
Your purity is not a burden; it is a testimony. Don't let ungodly counsel destroy what God has helped you keep. If marriage is your desire, pray, trust God, and pursue an honourable relationship. There is no need to "practice" with a prostitute or hookup partner. Sex is not an achievement to prove yourself; it is a gift God designed for marriage.
I got married as a virgin, and my wife was also a virgin. We learned together, and our marriage has been fulfilling. Experience is not what makes a marriage successful—love, commitment, patience, and God's grace do.
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct your paths." — 3:5–6.
Stay faithful. Hold on to your convictions. God's way always brings lasting peace, and in His time, you will never regret waiting. The only comment that has made sense so far. Godly wisdom |
Celebrities › Re: From ₦691 Million To Under ₦20 Million? VDM NGO Account Raises Questions by Ishilove: 2:23pm On Jun 25 |
Hehe. Zenith bank don buy market. They will answer to how the balance was revealed to an unauthorised third party. |
Crime › Re: Police Intercept Truck Carrying 47 Sacks Of Camouflage & Drugs In Lagos by Ishilove: 10:13am On Jun 25 |
From the packaging, these drugs were imported into the country. How did they bypass customs checks? |
Crime › Re: NDLEA Dismantles Meth Lab In Oyo Forest, Arrests Mexican Suspect & 4 Nigerians by Ishilove: 6:48pm On Jun 24 |
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Crime › Re: NDLEA Dismantles Meth Lab In Oyo Forest, Arrests Mexican Suspect & 4 Nigerians by Ishilove: 6:01pm On Jun 24 |
We really need to have a serious conversation with the Mexican government, because ewo losi??!  |
Crime › Re: Franklin Nwadialo: Anambra LG Chairman Jailed For 5 Years In US For Romance Scam by Ishilove: 2:59pm On Jun 24 |
LMAO! What won't we read online  This is just so shameful. Criminals occupying high positions in the society. First it was a king, now it is a Local Government chairman. If these crimes had happened in Nigeria they would have bought their way out with the proceeds of their ill gotten wealth, but now, they are in a country wey no dey look face. He should be dealt with for destroying lives. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Dutch Girl Who Identifies As A Dog Kills Parents & Shares On Whatsapp by Ishilove: 2:03pm On Jun 24 |
BlackViper: Summary
A Dutch 15-year-old girl who identified as a trans boy, and later as a dog, has stabbed her parents to death.
She took pictures of their bodies covered in blood and sent to her school class WhatsApp group.
Classmates said the troubled teen had been wrestling with her identity for years.
One classmate revealed: “She wore a tail, dog ears and gloves. She’d crawl around on all fours and bark while running through the school corridors.”
Neighbours said they had seen her strange behaviour for years, but that it was getting worse.
They spotted the girl sprinting hard through the streets at night, perching silently on garden fences and shed roofs and hiding in bushes.
One local told reporters: “She was always strange and kept herself to herself.
“But seeing her running like that in the dark… it was creepy” I don't feel sorry for them. This is the result of pandering to mental illness |
Politics › Re: “I Don’t See The Hunger Nigerians Are Complaining About” – Bayo Onanuga (video) by Ishilove: 10:29am On Jun 24 |
You need a special kind of shamelessness and lack of conscience to defend this government. This kind can only be gotten by selling your soul to the devil. |
Crime › Re: US Releases Actual Locations Of Bureau De Change Used In Financing Terrorism. by Ishilove: 10:25pm On Jun 23 |
GloriousGbola: The young are far easier to radicalize True, but still, it is alarming |
Crime › Re: US Releases Actual Locations Of Bureau De Change Used In Financing Terrorism. by Ishilove: 10:02pm On Jun 23 |
All young men. What really is the colour of their problem?? |
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Travel › Re: I Returned To Nigeria After 5 Years In The UK - Everyone Thought I Was Not Ok by Ishilove: 8:05pm On Jun 23 |
Bossman: Yeah. Sounds like this is just a made up story. At least from the OP's posting history. And there was a caught 🤣🤣 |
Business › Re: Jensen Huang, Nvidia CEO Explains Why He Always Wears Black Jacket by Ishilove: 4:01pm On Jun 23 |
ObaOfYorubaLand: Tilubu kills and maybe Obi mourns according to you....
Tinubu is the worst thing that happened to Nigeria. What is wrong with you people? Must you derail every thread with this nonsense?? |
Family › Re: Nigerian Man Lays Curses On His Children For Not Remembering Him On Father's Day by Ishilove: 3:59pm On Jun 23 |
And this is why they did not 'remember' him on Father's Day. He is obviously a very unpleasant person. |
Crime › Re: Bandits Kidnap Bayo Fabiyi, Two Others During Ransom Delivery In Kwara by Ishilove: 2:55pm On Jun 23 |
joseph1832: There use to be a song by 6 foot plus with this title, if I remember correctly. You can guess what the theme of the song is about. And things were not as bad back then. |
Crime › Re: Bandits Kidnap Bayo Fabiyi, Two Others During Ransom Delivery In Kwara by Ishilove: 10:18am On Jun 23 |
This has become ridiculous at this stage. |
Crime › Re: Oyo Kidnappers Drop Demands, Shift Focus To Ransom As Troops Tighten Siege by Ishilove: 4:50pm On Jun 22 |
37 days...I just hope those children are still alive and well. |