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Islam › Re: Why Do Muslims Employ DISHONESTY When Addressing Human Rights Issues In Islam by ItsReal: 6:55am On Aug 12, 2021

RightChannel:
If you're an infidel as u said, Bible never teaches us to wage war against you Muslims unlike what Allah says here in Quran 8:12 "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve So strike above the necks and strike off every fingertip of theirs”...

Jesus Christ you said is a Muslim never taught his followers, disciples to kill you unbelievers rather he proclaimed love even to one's enemies.

On the issue of Blasphemy, you tagged Jesus Christ as a Muslim but you do blasphemy against him, nobody beheaded you for Blasphemy against him, nobody sent you to life imprisonment for blasphemy against Jesus Christ that you said is a Muslim like muhammad. BUT if someone mistakenly blasphemy against muhammad, I think you know the end story. Is muhammad superior than Jesus Christ you tagged as a Muslim, is Muhammad Holiest than Jesus Christ you tagged as a Muslim?

Do you even know anything about how the church was in control of government in European countries?. do you know the reason for the call to secularism?. Have you ever heard of the word crusaders?.

Do you know what the non Christians majorly Jews faced at the hand of Christians? . The reconquest of spain? Infact, do you know anything about Christianity other than what your motivational speaker tell you on Sundays?

like have you read the bible that the church used to justify the crusaders, slavery, colonisation and the missionary?

or more importantly, do know what or who is referred to as the Church?

I believe your problem is deeply rooted in two things.
1. the black man disease ; reading
2. propaganda against Islam to prevent the spread of the religion.

Since you don't read, news media and your role models will fees you with what they want you to hear. and instead of you to research about it, you just follow sheepishly.

Even though it is understandable that someone who sees another thing as a threat to it may resolve to propaganda , you the listener shouldn't be excused for not trying to ascertain the true position of your perceived enemy.

There is an adage that says; he whose house is made of glass should not throw stone. You have something you regard as a problem in your religion, and then you cover it as though it never existed. thereafter, you begin to point blaming fingers on others. Only an ignorant hypocrite will do that.

On the issue of killings, answer me. Who killed and tormented the life of the Jews? was it the Muslims. Did you even know that even before Adolf Hitler, the church has been killing and torturing Jews? Infact, the Islamic caliphate had always been the one to protect them. Read Read Read and don't remain an ignorant fellow.

Did you know that the present day Spain and Portugal was an islamic state about 700 years ago. It was called Andalus. The Muslims ruled the country for about 700 years before the catholics came to take over the state. Muslims, Jews and non catholic Christians were tortured and killed or forced to be catholics. Did you know anything about this? NO. You know nothing but you what to talk.

There is a wise saying that a fool talks because he has to say something while the wise man talks because he has something to say.

By the way, just in case you don't know, Adolf Hitler was a Catholic Christian . He was raised in a Catholic orphanage and grew up to hate Jews so much that he continued on the path of early Christians in killing the jews.

I no wan dey quote biblical verses mentioning killings and violence to you since you don't read. If you read a bit, you will notice that I gave an example of how the church charged Galileo for blasphemy and I told the OP to do a simple Google search to find out that blasphemy laws was just abrogated in European countries some years ago.

I mentioned it on this same thread but you still find it hard to read.

I really pity your condition. Na your type they make people say the reading culture is decreasing in the country.

Islam › Re: Why Do Muslims Employ DISHONESTY When Addressing Human Rights Issues In Islam by ItsReal: 11:12pm On Aug 11, 2021

I will come back to explain further to you. My ba3 is about to go off. I have to sleep also

Islam › Re: Why Do Muslims Employ DISHONESTY When Addressing Human Rights Issues In Islam by ItsReal: 11:11pm On Aug 11, 2021

RightChannel:
If you're an infidel as u said, Bible never teaches us to wage war against you Muslims unlike what Allah says here in Quran 8:12 "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve So strike above the necks and strike off every fingertip of theirs”...

Jesus Christ you said is a Muslim never taught his followers, disciples to kill you unbelievers rather he proclaimed love even to one's enemies.

On the issue of Blasphemy, you tagged Jesus Christ as a Muslim but you do blasphemy against him, nobody beheaded you for Blasphemy against him, nobody sent you to life imprisonment for blasphemy against Jesus Christ that you said is a Muslim like muhammad. BUT if someone mistakenly blasphemy against muhammad, I think you know the end story. Is muhammad superior than Jesus Christ you tagged as a Muslim, is Muhammad Holiest than Jesus Christ you tagged as a Muslim?

I think your rant should be aimed at the church and the crusaders.

Read read read and don't be an ignorant fellow...

Islam › Re: Why Do Muslims Employ DISHONESTY When Addressing Human Rights Issues In Islam by ItsReal: 10:34pm On Aug 11, 2021

Also , you mentioned some stuff about the Muslim women. If you happen to know about Islam and you are not just a news hearer only, even you will debunk the claims that Muslim women are oppressed.

I believe the question of women being oppressed any started about less than a 100 tears ago. Yeah, go and make your research into the time when females started agitating for recognition in the society or equal represention.

If you read the encyclopaedia, you find out that the word woman is used by the English swim in a woe man, this is congruent to the belief of the Christians that Eve ,the wife of Adam lured her husband to eat the apple. They saw her and the women folks as the reason for their problems on earth.

In a verse of the Quran, Allah mentioned a case study of what happens with the Jews, Surah Al-Anaam, Verse 139:
وَقَالُوا مَا فِي بُطُونِ هَٰذِهِ الْأَنْعَامِ خَالِصَةٌ لِّذُكُورِنَا وَمُحَرَّمٌ عَلَىٰ أَزْوَاجِنَا وَإِن يَكُن مَّيْتَةً فَهُمْ فِيهِ شُرَكَاءُ سَيَجْزِيهِمْ وَصْفَهُمْ إِنَّهُ حَكِيمٌ عَلِيمٌ

And they say: What is in the wombs of these cattle is specially for our males, and forbidden to our wives, and if it be stillborn, then they are all partners in it; He will reward them for their attributing (falsehood to Allah); surely He is Wise, Knowing.

also, before the messengership of prophet Muhammed, people would kill their female child. They saw them as bad luck (or just they English called them: the unfortunate man)
Here is the verse on that; Surah Al-Anaam, Verse 140:
قَدْ خَسِرَ الَّذِينَ قَتَلُوا أَوْلَادَهُمْ سَفَهًا بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ وَحَرَّمُوا مَا رَزَقَهُمُ اللَّهُ افْتِرَاءً عَلَى اللَّهِ قَدْ ضَلُّوا وَمَا كَانُوا مُهْتَدِينَ

They are lost indeed who kill their children foolishly without knowledge, and forbid what Allah has given to them forging a lie against Allah; they have indeed gone astray, and they are not the followers of the right course.

Mainly, I think the question should be that what is oppression to you? is oppression to you when you see a woman covered in hijab and not half naked, or when she takes care of her home and family while the husband goes out to look for food for the family.

any of the two you choose, it will amaze you to find out just about Less than a hundred years ago, even every sane person all over the world were fully clothed with out walking almost naked in the streets. Also, all women were housewives too.

so ask yourself this question, is it that when western countries are guilty of something u term as oppression now , you turn away and put no blame on them but point fingers at Muslims for the same thing.

that's the reason why I said if you know about islam,you wouldn't mention this at all. before the prophet muhammad, women's don't get any share of the inheritance at all. in fact , they were deemed as property of the husband just as people still do in the yoruba tribe where upon the death of a man, a family member can take over ownership of the wife.

on the issue of inheritance, women in Islam are to take inheritance from almost all possible relatives even though they are meant to be catered for by their fathers followed by their husbands in the event of marriage. this is as opposed to the male who can only take inheritance from some specific close relatives only.

not to make this long, I will conclude by saying the women of the disbelievers had no women right and they just of recent started clamoring for things women in Islam have been benefiting from since more than a thousand years ago.

but unfortunately, instead of them to recognize the Muslim women as their predecessors who had the rights they were looking for, they wanted more ( feminism ) and they started depicting Muslim women as the uncivilized oppressed woman.

Islam › Re: Why Do Muslims Employ DISHONESTY When Addressing Human Rights Issues In Islam by ItsReal: 9:49pm On Aug 11, 2021

HardMirror:
no you are talking. i appreciate you taking time to explain as best as you understood the matter.
the core problem here is the denial of the issues. i know a lot of muslims do not support extreme measures in defence of religion, but they pretend as if the problem is not there. that is why i posted that video, you see the muslims dodging every question and whitewashing as if the religion is perfect and the adherents are perfect. as if it is not a fact that majority of clerics support extreme measures in issues that pertains abuse of the religion of islam. why tell such obvious lies? i have seen so many cases of people pretending as if women in muslim countries are not being treated as if they are minors and second class citizens. this and so many issues that most muslims would not admit are issues. yet we keep seeing support for these abuses, so who are the people that keep propagating these hate and abuse of women, non believers, apostates, blasphemers etc

Lemme start from the bottom, all religions see people who disbelieve in their teaching as an opponent, I repeat ,All religions. So singling out Islam on this regard is unjustly.

To the Christian, a Muslim is an infidel. In fact , the word infidel was first used by Crusaders who ravaged wars against Muslims and Jews. To the Jewish man, if you are not a jew, you are not among the chosen ones, you are disbeliever. And in Islam , if you heard about the messengership of prophet Muhammad and yet you disbelieve, you are a disbeliever.
However, Islam regards people who were on the teachings of prophet Musa (moses) b4 the advent of Jesus as muslims and the real Christians who worship God and not Jesus b4 the advent of prophet Muhammed as muslims.

On the issue of blasphemy, I said it before, all religions and society has a law in form of punishment against blasphemy. All these western countries recently abolished their own blasphemy laws when the people started asking for the church to be excluded from government (secularism). You can Google this easily. Similar to this is the case of apostasy. To know more, endeavor to read more.

I will complete the response soon ,MA ba3 is about to go off

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Islam › Re: Why Do Muslims Employ DISHONESTY When Addressing Human Rights Issues In Islam by ItsReal: 6:43pm On Aug 11, 2021

By the way, I respect that you have some brain power up there compared to people who don't know anything about their religion. Religion to them is what would please everybody to hear and the rest ,they sweep it under the carpet.

For being an atheist, it shows that you have put your brain to work and that you are not a sheep. Welldone on that bro

Islam › Re: Why Do Muslims Employ DISHONESTY When Addressing Human Rights Issues In Islam by ItsReal: 6:37pm On Aug 11, 2021

1Sharon:
You are an infidel. They are taught to lie to you as if you're stupid.

Hey please, who let the dogs out?

Go back to your cage please.

Islam › Re: Why Do Muslims Employ DISHONESTY When Addressing Human Rights Issues In Islam by ItsReal: 6:35pm On Aug 11, 2021

HardMirror:
i lived in the North among muslims for 12 years. my family house (grand father's) is in Kano, so i know what i am saying

I also lived in the north since birth .

Since you lived there too ,you will agree with me that the youths carry out extra judicial Killings out of emotions there.

Just like the case of the guy that made blasphemous statement about the prophet, as soon as the youths heard about it, they invaded and destroyed the guy's house in mass. It was Hisbah who came to calm down their nerves and took the guy away before he is beaten to death.

Islam › Re: Why Do Muslims Employ DISHONESTY When Addressing Human Rights Issues In Islam by ItsReal: 6:30pm On Aug 11, 2021

HardMirror:
the questions has nothing to do with this thread. i should assume you can read since you can type. so asking irrelevant questions that has nothing to do with the thread should not demand an answer.
https://www.nairaland.com/6668567/condemn-sheikh-bello-yabo-incitiment
this is seun's thread read through and see for yourself those you where blind to see their support for extrajudicial killing

Sorry for addressing you as a Christian.

The issue of extra judicial killing is quite easy to comprehend.

I think the problem starts with a not-so-correct view that restricts the islamic religion to just a religion within the four walls of the mosque.

Instead, Islam is more of a complete way of life of the Muslims which includes the worship of God aspect, day to day life dealings and societal conducts based on the Islamic law.

So in the Islamic law, their's provision for the Islamic courts responsible for hearing criminal and customary cases. It is the sole responsibility of the Islamic court to pronounce judgment on a suspected criminal after evidence has been presented.

The individuals are not on any case allow to carry out jungle justice as that would usually lead to more harm than good.

So pertaining to the thread created by Seun, the man he was referencing is infact liable to being arrested (if he is still free) for inciting the people to take laws into their hands. So such a person's action shouldn't be used to determine what the average Muslim believes.

Furthermore, the presence of people like that man and other people (most especially youths ) who are ever ready to go the jungle justice way necessitates the existence of Hisbah. The Hisbah manages such affairs just as police would prevent people from taking laws into their own hands instead of taking it to the court of law.

In summary, we have laws guiding all of our affairs. Also , we have a governmental system where there are laid down procedures to tackle each occurrence. There is no room for individuals to take up judgment to themselves. The Hisbah acts as the police who charge suspect criminals to the sharia court of law.

Lastly, a misconception I see often is that when Islam says this is the punishment for a crime, people think it is the individuals who care out the punishment and totally forget that Muslims have a robust legal system.
If a person is found guilty of taking judgment into his hands, they will be charged to the sharia court as a criminal also.
An event that exemplifies this is a case that happen about 1000 years ago in the Islamic empire. A man was displaying magic to a large audience. Note that sorcery and magic is not allow in Islam. so what happened was that while the magician was cutting and fixing back his head with a sword, one particular Muslim man ( all the people are Muslims o) came behind him. As soon as the magician fixed his head back to the body ,the man used his own sword to cut it back and was saying it loudly for all to hear that the man should fix it back if he is real.

Long story short, the man was arrested immediately too. Eventhough, the punishment for sorcery and magic is death, he took judgment to himself instead of reporting the case to the authorities.

I hope you now understand.

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Islam › Re: Why Do Muslims Employ DISHONESTY When Addressing Human Rights Issues In Islam by ItsReal: 3:31pm On Aug 11, 2021

When the church accused galileo or what is the name of the guy charged with blasphemy for saying information found in the bible are not correct (the earth being flat) and he was about to be executed, you didn't find any fault in that. Apostates are known to be faced with the death penalty since a long time ago.

So for the fact that you Christians have chosen to abrogate these laws to gain cheap public or western acceptability, does that make the Muslims who hold onto their laws while giving no chance to compromise the black sheep.

A simple google search will enlightened you about the existence of your so called human rights abuses in Judaism and Christianity.

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philips007:
The phone battery went down between the period you took the first picture which was 70% to 19% by the time you took the second picture. You want to sale a problem to your fellow man. Make una dey try fear God na

Didn't you see the time on the two pictures

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Teejay13:
Your power IC could be bad, you will need to take it to a close laptop technician to troubleshoot and fix for you.

Thank you

Alryt.

Thanks boss

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Computers › Re: Computer Users & Engineers; Come in lets Meet, Share and Solve PCs Problem by ItsReal: 5:06pm On May 08, 2021

Teejay13:
Does it power on, when you try to switch it on?

If yes, then it has to be loosed, washed with ethanol or water and detergent then dry and hitted.

Hope this solves your problem.

Please boss, mine doesn't power on.

It is also dv6.

Christianity Etc › Re: Was The "Prophet" A Sexual Deviant? by ItsReal: 10:36pm On Apr 14, 2021

Always changing the goal post at the slightest chance.

Not surprising though, it is in the blood.

Anyway, after this I won't continue to exchange words with you because I looked at your profiles and I saw that the 3 of you are actively into this.

People would waste their time on you and you will still remain the same.

Unfortunately, I don't have much time on my hands

Let me give you the following:

1. Saint Augustine (350AD) married a 10 year old girl!.

2. King Richard 11 (1400AD) married a 7yr old girl.

3.King Henry VIII (1500AD) he married a 5yr old girl.

Even in the BIBLE it says:

....But save for yourself every girl who has never slept with a man (Numbers 31. 17:28).

According to the Catholic encyclopedia,

mary the mother of jesus was 12 when she married the 99 years old Joseph!!! "This was based on their thought"

Before 1929, Church of England ministers could marry 12yrs old girls in Britain.

Up till 1983, Catholic Canon laws permitted priests to marry off brides at the age of 12.

In the United States, back in 1880, in the state of Delaware, the minimum age for marriage was 7yrs and in California it was 10!!!

Infact, instance that supports this are so many in your known and unknown-authored bible but you choose to deny it.

The white man suddenly made the marriage age 18 and you shift your position accordingly. How about countries where the consent age is 15, 16, 17 or even 21. Will you still bend the scripture to allow for the discrepancies.

Are you clarified now?

Those still doubtful, Go back to your village and ask your grandmother how old she was when she got married!

Trust me, you won't get that wrong

Bye, never to reply your post again.

Death is fast approaching.

But you still have some time with you now, use it.

Repent to God and worship him.

Stay away from worshipping a human like you.

God has no family members, no partner, no son , no baby mama.

Just him.

The supreme being.

No go talk say you were not warned o.

Christianity Etc › Re: Was The "Prophet" A Sexual Deviant? by ItsReal: 5:11pm On Apr 14, 2021

I am still waiting for you o

Maybe you didn't understand the previous sentence construction.

Lemme rephrase it

You should be worried that Mary the mother of your god Jesus was married off at the age of 12 to a 90 years old carpenter or better still your worry should be channelled to the age at which the mother of your god Jesus was impregnated by your god Jesus and gave birth to himself ( your god Jesus) who is an indivisible part of the trinity.

Can you tell me the age at which the mother of your god Jesus was impregnated by your god Jesus and gave birth to himself ( jesus) ?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Was The "Prophet" A Sexual Deviant? by ItsReal: 4:38pm On Apr 14, 2021

I think you should start by trying to know the age Mary gave birth to Jesus

Only then shall we continue

Note: you fit go edit and re-edit am o since everyone knows the bible gets yearly revisions just to keep the lie going.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Was The "Prophet" A Sexual Deviant? by ItsReal: 3:01pm On Apr 14, 2021

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did to Him? If yes,
blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewheres?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is!A grave that enclosed a god!
What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,
weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in
Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be Allah above the lies of Christians
All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted
and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it
Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?
So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,
this is what the matter is all about..

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Politics › Re: EXCLUSIVE: ESN Releases Photo Of Suspected Fulani Terrorist Killed In Ebonyi Vio by ItsReal: 2:57pm On Apr 14, 2021

ESN killed a SUSPECTED fulani herdsmen, and it is not seen as a bad thing.

Continue.

Your eyes go soon clear

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Dtruthspeaker:
You asked this same question in another thread and.i answered you and you have not reasonably rebutted it.

No time

No time to waste

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