seppuku: My last words on this matter. We can walk and chew gum at the same time. Calling out Xenophobia when we see it does not mean we ignore Killings in Nigeria.
Are you for real?
So where's the outrage for kidnapped school kids and the beheaded teacher? I don't see the chewing and the walking.
seppuku: There are far right Nazi and White supremacist groups in America but people still migrate there .
What is your point?
It all boils down to preference I guess.Maybe being in America knowing there are far right Nazi is better than living in a country that has Islam extremists like Boko Haram,same as being in a "xenophobic" country,so your point is??
IronGalaxy: its selective outrage my friend. Terrorists can ambush and massacre 60 Christians today, tomorrow though, Nigerians and other Africans would still be yapping about South Africa and their bloodless "xenophobia" till August..
And mind you coming to a "xenophobic" country is optional.There is nothing that force these people to here.
seppuku: So no need for the back and forth. The facts are,
1. We "travel" far more than your people be it leisure or Japa. 2. There are groups of black South Africans who travel to other countries in search of greener pastures and permanent citizenship albeit a smaller number but they exist in the NHS in the UK, as AU pairs and Eb visa holders in the US and workers/teachers in China. Ask me how I know?
You must get your head out of the internet and stop watching those videos of mediterranean crossings, its skewing your reality. The people that make those journeys make up a small percentage of Nigerians. Even if you attributed 1% of our population to that phenomena that would amount to roughly 2 million Nigerians attempting that cross. That's an astronomical number in absolute terms.
Secondly, it is uncommon to see a Nigerian anywhere roaming the streets idle. They would be chewed out and chastised. That false narrative perception can only come from people who want of further an agenda of dehumanizing others.
Which countries want us out Mfethu, Please don't mention Ghana, UAE or Seychelles. These fictitious countries you are referencing to pursue criminal syndicates of all kinds including Nigerians, flush them out, parade and deport them. This is the reason we do not call them out. They are targeting the correct individuals. You South Africans on the other hand are collective punishers. You are not pressuring "criminals" in any way instead you attack, beat and harrass vulnerable migrant communities you do not like. Its xenophobia. Let nobody fool anybody here so spare me the dribble with your accusations of personal vendettas. I have been on to you guys for years.
Yah I think we have reached that point where we just gonna have agree to disagree.
Fact is a South African was never a threat to a Nigerian's life,even if you take body count from 2008 attacks and add with what's happening now it still doesn't and will never amount to Nigerian lives lost at the hands of Boko Haram and bandits.
oroje1: Run way man.so the ones that you're burgling their homes, looting their businesses and killing them are inside dilapidated buildings ehh?.. travel and see
oroje1: So all the Europeans and Chinese and indians all over south Africa ran to ur country too? People travel to see life and taste life from another angle..if u don't travel you're like a blind man... travel and see and upgrade ur mentality
Indians in South Africa have been here since the 1600s so acting like they are a new badge of immigrants is moronic.Chinese and Europeans are tourists who visit and leave when their visas expired and don't disappear into dilapidated buildings in Hillbrow.You on the other hand...you know what, let's just leave it here.
oroje1: If xenophobia means hospitality then we don't need it, I've been to Seychelles, Tanzania and Mauritius and I've seen real African hospitality.....the white south Africans have life so easy for u guys and u think you're the best cos u blacks there don't ever leave home to know how life outside looks like.. travel and see my friend.
By travelling you mean to your countries that you ran from? You ain't even over there but you want to convince someone else to go to where you ran from?
Jayhome24: This is one of the bad thing about a misguided human like you. Pls when have you heard jungle justice was meted out to any Nigerian in Nigeria cus he was caught with drug or fake currency orfake church?
Only notorious thief I have heard faced such jungle justice and it has gone off the street for a while now so what the hell are you saying?
Two days ago some Mexicans were caught in the bush in Nigeria we didn't burn them or start attacking any Mexican on digital.
Pls grow up and stop being emotionally petty defending xenophobism it is very barbaric, stew-pid and stone age mentality go work on your mental status it require serious evaluation.
Good day!!!
calm down sir!
So you are saying this videos are not from Nigeria?
Jayhome24: Oh my God I'm not interested in all these loads of thrash.
All I'm saying is pick a criminal up and lock him or her up, xenophobism, killings, burning shops, attacking, jungle justice is barbaric grow up the world no longer in ancient time Zuluism.
World don't revolve around useless identity emotional stunt. Grow up plss.
Take care. Thanks.
Getting little too sensitive,huh? So you asked for five crimes that your people commit in SA and I gave you ten and now it's getting to hard for you? They say be careful what you ask for
Dude you don't even lock up your own criminals over there and your country tops the list when it comes to jungle justice..what the hell are you talking about?
Jayhome24: Read slowly and put identity emotion aside:
Here we go I knew you are going to come up with all these nonsense. The only thing you listed that I think you are somehow right to a certain end is the drug issue, however, if no buyer no seller nobody will be stew-pid to force anyone to take or buy narcotic if your govt run awareness to discourage it and block every avenue for the supply chain it won't happen and if no Indegenous South Africa involve their is no way a foreigner can have such solid network and pls is killing and attacking everybody both innocent and criminals is that the solution? Anybody caught with drug with a proof jail him or her no excuse for narcotic. Any country(South Africa etc)) that legalised Weeds, Marujuana should expect an explosive drug market and evil drug cartel taken advantage
About fake currency, how can you accused Nigeria of fake currency printing in a country solid like South Africa? bro its just blatant malicious lie to justify xenophobism every where in the world fake currency is in circulation so why only you taken it as if heaven want to fall, go and check your own citizen they are the real cartel hiddeein there calling other African name cus they knew that is what you want to hear then kill.
About fake church pls this is nonsense talk even isreal, UK, US, Kenya etc have all these fake churches everywhere so keep that shit excuses cus no one force anybody to attend fake church.
You talked about human trafficking even UK, EU, Australia, US are struggling to control it but did they killed anybody or burn anybody shops cus of it? No. Pls drop that shit, your heart is just pure evil to perpetrate xenophobism and give useless reason to justify evil andd wickedness so grow up.
You want more...
What emotions? I only made a list you asked for and made no additional statement.You are the one that wrote a 200 word thesis to deny facts.Don't project your insecurities onto me buddy.
Jayhome24: You are still not making any sense bro. I challenged you to pls list 5 wrong or crime Nigerians are committing in your so called South Africa.
Pls in any accusation geniue evidence is a very vital context so pls list 5 wrong doings attributed to Nigerians and I will stop asking you questions. Pls be honest in your conscience as a human created by God give me 5 reasons or crime committed that burning shops and killings is the solution?
- Kidnappings - Using Internet cafes and Salons as a front to wash drug money - sex trafficking - living in South Africa illegally - Contributing to highjackings by running backdoor mechanical repairs shops - Using unregulated SIM cards to scam money out of retired SA citizens
Jayhome24: You are still not making any sense bro. I challenged you to pls list 5 wrong or crime Nigerians are committing in your so called South Africa.
Pls in any accusation geniue evidence is a very vital context so pls list 5 wrong doings attributed to Nigerians and I will stop asking you questions. Pls be honest in your conscience as a human created by God give me 5 reasons or crime committed that burning shops and killings is the solution?
- Drug trafficking - Internet scams - Running fake churches - Human trafficking - Printing counterfeit banknotes - Making fake duplicates of South African ID and passport
oroje1: Who wants u here? Besides why is it that's only ur white athlete that's complaining,we didn't hear any shits from other participating athletes.... please stay in ur xenophobic enclave
Those who never had it any better will not complain because they are third worlders who don't know what proper hospitality looks like.We South Africans always give people our very best so when we complain is coming from a legit gripe,not just for the purpose to smear anybody's name.We are royalty,start treating us like one.
You best believe I'm in my country and West Africa is just not my cup of tea.
seppuku: 1. Your country is majority 92% black as well so that point is moot.
2.Don't set aside my "lived experience" my brada. I have traversed many a airport on the continent including your Oliver Tambo, DF Malan and King Shaka. Most of the international flights in and out of the country are not carrying "your" people. The best a black South African can boast of is Mauritius, Bali or Dubai but sprinkles of them at best.
3. As far as escaping, well my friends and I have escaped numerous times and comeback all the time if that's what you want to term it.
1.There is nothing natural about criminality. Its an effect of desperation and despair, much like your Xenophobes, don't you think?
2.The criminals will account when you arrest them and send them back home. Individual vs collective punishment.
1. I didn't personally put my name inside one of your passports but if you are talking about the desperate and criminally minded element of my society, well if you ask my opinion, they do it to take advantage of your system. I don't think there is a nexus between that and a concern about your Xenophobic tendencies.
2.It's not conjecture, my friend its exposing how myopic your thinking is as you zone in on your favorite subject of "Nigerian criminals" because of your xenophobic tendencies and fail to cast your sinister web of hate across a multiplicity of criminal behavior in your beloved Sad Africa.
Not even 92% but okay.You live in a country that has a population of 220 million people and you expect us to japa like you do? In your case it's the corrupt government that squandered your resources and it resulted in your people taking risky routes to find themselves scattered around the world aimlessly.South Africans travel for leisure and not looking to be permanent citizens of the country they travel to.
I don't know you buddy so I wasn't talking about your experience,I was talking about the average Nigerian who finds himself overseas.Most of them are roaming streets with expired visas and some of them took route Mediterranean in log rafts,sad state of affairs but it's true.I wasn't attributing anything to you personally but if you wanna fit the shoe then be my guest.
It's conjecture and it's all based on a personal vendetta you have against SA because when these other countries call you criminals and want you out of their countries we never see this whataboutism you always do when it's us pressing your criminals,in fact you all start blaming a certain tribes in your country for spoiling your name abroad.All of a sudden it's not xenophobic when others want you out..hmm.The irony here is that you are showing me clips of Asian criminals being exposed on a South African news channel and another one is them standing in a South African courtroom so how are we being 'unfair' to your beloved brothers?
seppuku: You spend too much time on the internet. You must leave your bantustan and spend a day at Lagos airport to witness the traffic of International Nigerian traveler's in and out of the country. I myself have been travelling since I was four as compared to your people who are rarely see on planes going out of South Africa. 95% of the passengers are always "White" South Africans. Even the Coloreds are travelling more these days. Go figure.
What good name. Ahhh stop it man. The only reason Nigerians misbehave so blatantly in South Africa is because they are doing as the Romans do over there. Your clueless government were handed down a generous and liberal constitution, are incompetent and cannot run it properly. Now they scrambling to backtrack, institute stringent laws at the behest of your ethno nationalist lumpen radicals because they don't want to be stripped of power.
Nigerians in other countries contribute immensely to their host countries. That is fact.
1. Never said you were a bad country. You just have a growing disgruntled population of xenophobes running around causing mayhem.
2. Everyone is abusing your passport. The Jews who swap citizenship and embezzle money in and out of the country. The former Ukranian gangsters who escape to your country and are heavily involved in arms deals, The indians in durban who run the hotels and the Chinese selling you cheap goods.
Welcome to globalization. I am sorry you can't adjust to the new world order but keep fighting eh!. There is hope still. ABAHAMBE!!
Your country is 100% black population so who do you expect to see at the airport? Black South Africans actually travel more than you,mind you I said travel,not escape.You are still stuck with your outdated and overused stereotypes about us not travelling.
Blaming South African government for your natural criminal inclination is diabolical.When will your people account for what they do in foreign lands?
Always bringing imaginary Jews and Indians to deflect.Why would you put your name inside the passport of a xenophobic country? The same country you have been running campaigns to boycott? I don't get it really.
seppuku: You spend too much time on the internet. You must leave your bantustan and spend a day at Lagos airport to witness the traffic of International Nigerian traveler's in and out of the country. I myself have been travelling since I was four as compared to your people who are rarely see on planes going out of South Africa. 95% of the passengers are always "White" South Africans. Even the Coloreds are travelling more these days. Go figure.
What good name. Ahhh stop it man. The only reason Nigerians misbehave so blatantly in South Africa is because they are doing as the Romans do over there. Your clueless government were handed down a generous and liberal constitution, are incompetent and cannot run it properly. Now they scrambling to backtrack, institute stringent laws at the behest of your ethno nationalist lumpen radicals because they don't want to be stripped of power.
Nigerians in other countries contribute immensely to their host countries. That is fact.
1. Never said you were a bad country. You just have a growing disgruntled population of xenophobes running around causing mayhem.
2. Everyone is abusing your passport. The Jews who swap citizenship and embezzle money in and out of the country. The former Ukranian gangsters who escape to your country and are heavily involved in arms deals, The indians in durban who run the hotels and the Chinese selling you cheap goods.
Welcome to globalization. I am sorry you can't adjust to the new world order but keep fighting eh!. There is hope still. ABAHAMBE!!
I will come and reply you properly.They deleted my comment.
IronGalaxy: Physical media indeed needs to come back... buying a new CD, browsing the artwork, reading the lyrics...a feeling like no other.. my cousin has a TKZee Halloween vinyl and theres just something about listening it from a vinyl as opposed to just streaming it
Seems it's only video games that are still in stores now.Oh man Halloween will forever remain the hallmark for Kwaito classics,crazy production by Zwai🙆🔥 and that Guz compilation too? Damn
You can check TakeAlot from time to time if you are still physical copy kind of guy.I recently purchased Ghostface's Supreme Clientele from Takealot.
seppuku: We are not sizing each others D**ks here. Sepukku always tells the truth regardless.
[b]A small percentage of the poor class.[/be] The rest of us are on business class flights out of the country.
We take advantage of each and any opportunity given so sorry its not really about "The South African" passport or your reputation as being "It a means to an end.
Don't flatter yourselfs. Noone really wants to be a "South African".
As far as your newly found reputation of xenophobia, it doesn't way in anyway on a fraudster who uses your passport to hop step into Brazil. They are mutually exclusive concepts. You can be South African and xenophobic at the same time.
Not true,most of your people are corner standers in foreign lands who ran from economic instability and daily civil unrests.
You take advantage of us and our good name.You don't bring anything to the table that a South African would want to benefit from so don't act like this is a "do me and I do you" situation.It's a one-way parasitic relation where one is leeching off the other.
And what's stopping that fraudster from using a passport from his own country? I mean if like you said we are a bad country full of xenophobic people why would you want your name written on our passport?
1. Kenyans....Kenyans.. are the most well received black African immigrants across the world. Your people do not go anywhere.
2. Who issued the fraudulent SA passports to them. Your corrupt Home affairs selling your papers to the highest bidders. You must point the finger at that terrible Home affairs department and the government that turned a blind eye. Leave the Foreigners alone.
Inserting Kenya to avoid giving props to South Africa,notice how you still couldn't fix your mouth to say it's Nigeria? Even you know you are at the bottom and had to use Kenya for defence.
The humanitarian crisis in your country that has most of you escaping to Europe in make-shift banana boats has given you a skewed definition of what travelling is.South Africans are out there as documented travellers and workers.You on the other hand are a runner...learn the difference.
Home affairs' corruption is a different arguement altogether.It's just interesting that your people still prefer travelling with the passport of a country they have continuously called xenophobic,a country you are still try to drag through the mud with your current smear campaign,a country y'all claim has a bad rep.See,the difference between us and you is that we are consistent with where we stand as far as your country is concerned.We know your reputation is in the gutter and therefore avoid anything to do with you and anything that has your name on it.But you on the other hand still want to use our name to travel even though you say we have built a bad rep? One of us is being dishonest,don't you think? Morphy!
seppuku: Congrats back to you my friend, I could say the exact same for the one you have now built worldwide.
Which is?
And we are still the most well received group of black African immigrants across the world.We have never been banned from any country.Your people still use fake/fraudulent SA passports to travel because their own is in the toilet.Looks like you rather let the world think you are us than thinking you a Nigerian ...so what reputation have we built? "Szzzeenophobia"?
seppuku: You think most South Africans that live there are smart enough or even care to discern the difference. As soon as you introduce yourself as Nigerian you are immediately branded a drug dealer.
Congratulations for building yourselves such a reputation.Ain't nobody's fault but yours.
themanderon: I saw videos of at least two mercilessly beaten and killed. I saw children being chased out of schools for being foreigners. I saw people being chased out of hospitals for being foreigners. How do you explain that?
You are just fishing for propaganda to validate your narrative.The guy who got ruffled with punches is still alive but I believe deep down you know it.
Chasing people out of schools and hospitals is regarded as killing them? And why the fúck should I be explaining when that was not the arguement we were having? You are just trying to find something that sticks and it's not working.
"dis one no be news Na.There is szzzeenophobia in Sodaforeaka and OP is losing focus,the immediate threat to Nigeria is szzzeenophobia,not bandits who live right in our backyards.Let's deal with those demonic black szzeenophobes in Sodaforeaka first"