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butterflyl1on:
Sharraaap!

Atheists quote the Bible all the time talking about how God killed this and eliminated that and wiped out families and supported rape and slavery. But how can a non existent God support anything? How can a non existent God kill anything?

How can a non existent God do any of these things.

Okay let me ask you, who killed Uzzah? Who killed Ananias and Sapphira? Who delivered shadrach, meshac and abednego when they were thrown into the furnace? Who shut up the mouth of the lion when Daniel was thrown into the den of lions?

Your answers would be appreciated.

You can criticize something without believing in it.
^^^^
Is the above statement too difficult for your expired brain to understand?



When I say that Thor in the Avengers is nonsensical because he never fires thunderbolts from his hands despite being the God of thunder, does that mean I believe in Thor? Or if I said that Thor was silly for not killing loki, does that mean that I believe they exist?


What make you think that atheists believe the miracles in the bible?


Even when we criticise bible stories, does that mean we believe in them? When we say that God supported slavery in the bible, does that mean we believe the bible story or we are using it to prove that God is nonsensical?

KingEbukasBlog:
Your ignorance on the subject is pathetic bro . Christian communism is a misnomer , its actually called communualism . They reject some parts of Marxism and only agree to the economic benefits of communism , the same with Islamic communism . Can't you see they attached the religion's name ? . They are simply rejecting the foundation which is atheism and attaching a theological root . Plus is there any such thing atheistic communism ? When will you ever have sense bro?

Bros how far? This is another thread in which you were decimated......

butterflyl1on:
I cannot understand how anyone would be so angry at a God they already said does not exist. How can I be angry with a figment of anyone's imagination?

They get so angry at God one second and the very next second you hear them say I AM AN ATHEIST AND I DISBELIEVE THE EXISTENCE OF GOD.

Are they not "legally" mad?

When will you be cured of this foolishness?

Atheists are not angry at God, they are angry at things that are done in the name of God.
Also, they point out the logical contradictions that were God's actions in the bible- they dont have to believe in God to criticize him or the idea of him.


dumb dumb dumb!

butterflyl1on:
Your stupidity is so profound that you could not see that the abortion thread was opinion sharing and not a debate.

And yes, I have been mutilating all of you and you the dumb one more especially to the extent I have been tagged as several people (a feat I do not think anyone has achieved on Nairaland so far)

You guys have tagged me as Felixomor, spacetacular, analice, 4evergod, DoctorAlien, and the list goes on.

Why the special interest if I have been smoothening your ruffles and not peeling your hide?

Jumbo Dumbo the special dumbo

I saw where you said threads should be compiled for an award by the end of the year to the most dumb thread. I hope you know that you own the Ballon D'or for stupidity on Nairaland and your award is awaiting you by the end of the year. It was a no contest. You came unopposed

Did you type this with frothing and spittle coming out of your mouth?

You seem pained and unhinged.

butterflyl1on:
I dey o. Trolling and destroying the atheists as a job is a very fruitful one

Have been hounding one of them for a debate all over the place. That hopeless tenant and he has been running and running away as if a debate is a death sentence. Maybe you can talk some sense into him when you fully land your private Jet.

Is this how you decieve yourself? You were decimated on the abortion thread

Butterflyl1on, come and defend this lie

Cc felixomor

Thread is dead anyways.

butterflyl1on:
Your own comment which is evidently one not well thought out stands against you. You endorsed religious empathy and slammed atheistic heartlessness as an atheist and you wonder why I call you jumbo dumbo

Can you kindly show me where I said I would force my future wife to do anything like give birth even when the pregnancy has complications?

If you can show where I said this then I will become Jumbo dumbo and you will become Brainiac.

Prove to me that I actually said that and that you didn't just say another stupid thing as you always do.

See your life? Denying your past comments? Did you not say that you would try to save both mother n child? That abortion is a no-no?


I am tired of your lies. Goobye

butterflyl1on:
So what you are saying is that religious people have more empathy than atheists right? If our show of empathy makes you call us nut jobs then thank you for the endorsement of empathy through religion and the endorsement of cold heartedness through atheism.

Cc Felixomor

Empathy for who?

The mother who you denied rights over her body?
The child who you expect an unstabke mother to raise?


Religious empathy indeed. You talk of empathy while you believe that you should force your wife to give birth even if the childbirth could kill her due to pregnancy complications.


It is not empathy you and your religious folks have, it is psycopathy

felixomor:
What else do you expect from atheism?

I hail oooo! Professional bottom-licker! I hail!

vaxx:
pls Mr foul mouth you are not invited....hopefully your thread should carry the highest bagged of the most sensible one .......pls keep your intelligence to yourself it is not useful here......my claim here hasn't been refuted...the word atheism is by definition a problems.... And you are suggesting is a sstupid thread? I see where you are coming from....

E pain am

adepeter2027:
LoL

You're wicked oo

It is the right thing to do

Proudgorgeousga:
as in eh no offence but he sounds like §ciencewatch.

I swear. Too similar

We should compile the most stupid threads on the relifion section and vote for the worst in december for the end of the year party.

Cc hahn, hopefullandlord, johnydon22......

butterflyl1on:
What do you not understand about A PERSONAL OPINION?

my opinion and yours are simply individual opinions which may or may not be subscribed to by those directly involved. They would also weigh their odds and take their own decisions, risky or not.

I can also ask you the same question. What is your business with how others choose to live their lives? Is the fetus you or yours? Do they not have their own minds? Can they not make their own decisions in an informed manner?

Why bother about anothers private opinion?

Unfortunately, it is not just opinions.


Religious nutjobs like you also vote. Conservative christians, jews and muslims put pressure on governments not to legalise abortions.

Humanistme:
his view is extreme ie whether extreme case or not no abortion.

He says assuming he had to choose btw his wife and fetus he will take the chance on both, but what will wifey say?

Then he turns around to tell me it's not set in stone, if it's not set in stone then it's pro-choice depending on the circumstances.

The guy is just so dubious.

butterflyl1on:
Does every suffering child die? Does every homeless child die?

How can we then determine who lives or dies when all do not die even in such situations?

Do you think it's all of them that complain in suffering? For some, their situation is what puts bread on their table. They take advantage of their situation and flourish in it.

Who are you to determine who dies? Did somebody not determine you should live? Why then do you desire another to die?

Dishonest argument. How can you ask if it is all homeless children that complain of suffering?



Which homeless child loves being homeless? Which child on the streets love being on the street? Guy, better get sense.

butterflyl1on:
I have asked you why you have this childish method of always beginning a comment with something derogatory.

Are you this insecure?

My opinion holds true to me and you can have yours. I can also call you an Ode for having such a callous, cold hearted opinion

Some opinions are backed by facts. Your opinions are mostly based on a failed religion

butterflyl1on:
I think I need to open an extension of this thread in the family section so we can see the opinions. This is beyond freethinkers and humanists. This is about REAL PEOPLE and REAL PROBLEMS.

Ode. As if you care about homeless children

butterflyl1on:
Stop trying to make this into a religious argument when it is not and nobody has taken any religious position. It is my opinion without religious influence.

Some of us are very lenient and emotional when it comes to anything seen as a human life. While some like you see no value in it depending on how you view it.

I am sure you are the type who would subscribe to jungle justice being given to suspected robbers without trial to find out if they were actually guilty of the allegation.

Same action is being given to aborted fetuses. It's simply jungle justice without option of hearing or defence. Life is worth more than logic and is worth more than a law on paper.

It is only religion that can make an educated man see daylight and call it night.


The only thing stopping you from seeing how misogynistic and heartless towards a woman who wants to abprt due to complications is religion.


It is clear that we have reached your usual point where your arguments have been soundly rebutted but you then start to rinse and repeat out of some religious pride.


Nigga, SWERVE!

butterflyl1on:
a fetus is a child in process. Have you ever seen a child who was never once a child? My opinion says that the fetus is a child in process. everything that is present in an adult human is present in the small embryo or the fetus as the case may be.

If I was married and I was given the option of choosing one to live. Be it my baby or wife I would choose both because there is always a chance. If normal delivery would pose a problem then the baby would be cut out via cesarean section and artificially nursed.

My position is that there is always a chance no matter how small.

It is easy to use other people's lives to take risky chances. Doctors have already told you that your wife might die in child birth and yet you still want to forge ahead.


I pity your future wife. No one deserves such religious madness

Madness.

wirinet:
That was what I have been trying to explain to the guy, that the examples in the report is not valid for what we are talking about. Most pro choice supporters do not support aborting a 23 weeks pregnancy. That is almost 5 months for god sake. The process of aborting a 5 months pregnancy is no different from carrying the pregnancy to term and then murdering the baby. The ethical and moral dilemma is the same, you kill a fully formed baby, you put it in a nylon bag and dump in a bush, refuse dump or the lagoon.

What I have been talking about is aborting the pregnancy within 6 weeks of conception, here the embryo is just a mass of cells just attempting to implant itself into the uterus. Aborting it a simply process of simply preventing it from implanting itself. There are drugs that can be used to achieve such or simple vacuum pumps that can be inserted into the vagina and the whole mass is pumped out. This is not much different from taking family planning pills or injections, the pill does not prevent fertilization, it only prevents the fertilized egg from implanting, it is also abortion. I hope you guys are not against the taking of pills also.

I hope you are seeing the dubious side of butterflyl1on.

Far back, I had already mentioned that abortions mostly happen within the first 12 weeks. He ignored it and now, he is putying forward abortions that are close to birth.

butterflyl1on:
Suffering children yes but they are still alive

Homeless children yes but they are still alive.

A lot would say they are homeless but glad they are alive. Likewise those who are suffering as you put it.

So because they may end up suffering or homeless then we have the right to terminate their existence?

Please think of the consequences of the things you say.

There are things worse than death. Have we not seen many cases here on nairaland or in real life wher mothers kill or mutilate their children?

Many of the mental cases you see in young chikdren come from those children who were abused from a young age. Do you see those children hawking and living on the streets? They are abused and molested. How many child hawkers have you seen giving testimony in church as sucessful adults? Many are dead before they reach 18 and the rest either become mentally instable or criminals.

Most people chose death in the face of torture. There are things worse than death.


Does your church have an orphanage? No. But you can preaxh against abortion all day long because you dont face the consequences

butterflyl1on:
Were the complications the fault of the fetus? If the fault is from the mother (in some cases) why take out the punishment on an innocent fetus and eventual child?

Why kill a fetus for something he or she did not do and isn't guilty of?

If you talk about rats which hold no protective instinct as humans do then how does that relate?

Would you take a bullet for your child?

See how you dodge issues and twist?

We are talking about fetuses and pregnant women dying for the unborn. You are now twisting it by asking "would you take a bullet for your child". Sir, we are talking about fetuses not children.

Secondly, you dodged. Please answer the direct question- would yoi tell your wife to die for the fetus if there are complocations in the pregnancy?


Do you even considser that she could have other children or live another day to adopt?

butterflyl1on:
Still your opinion. They believe in their suffering they still have hope. They believe in their suffering they still are better than the dead.

They believe that even though death comes to all eventually they would still live for a good while before that happens. A choice they are entitled to have and you know it.

Some choices are more logical than the others.

butterflyl1on:
Even mother hens harbour an overly protective instinct and would rather die than let you harm their chicks.

I repeat true mothers would rather die than let harm or death come to their children.

Google is your friend. You can browse it and see how mothers have laid down their lives for their children be they fetuses or born.

Mother rats eat the weak/deformed amongst their children. So your hen analogy that tries to make the altruist choice of dying for an unborn child natural is false.


We are talking about the unborn here and we know that you are lying.


As a husban, you would tell your wife to die for a feotus if there are complications? When there are other children she can give birtgh to or adopt?

butterflyl1on:
Oh it does. I wanted to get YOUR opinion which I did.

Your opinion cannot be used to represent the opinion of other fetuses. You said you would rather die than suffer. (which I find rather lame and weak as an excuse)

Others would rather suffer than die. So are you saying that the ones who would rather suffer are wrong to have such choices simply because you disagree with it or they are not even entitled to such a choice.

Why suffer and die when you will still die at the end?

Those that chose to suffer are not wrong or immoral, they are just being less pragmatic about their situation

butterflyl1on:
Jumbo dumbo remember I told you that you carry a derailing component. You have come now and are trying to derail this thread with your usual senseless talk. Since you have no sensible thing to contribute but just want to make senseless comments then be quiet. To type no be by force na

I know your medicine. When you start your folly, i give you a double dosage.


Ogbeni, address my rebuttal.....

JackBizzle:
A true mother? Scotsman fallacy?

Why should a mother die for an unborn baby? What if she already has children. She should die and leave the other children abi?


Think before you talk.

Is it me or has butterflylying become dumber?

His lies just aint working anymore

butterflyl1on:
Jumbo dumbo

My guy how far?

Would you have approved if your mother had aborted you even with the half brain you have?

Omo. No need to bring my mum into this.

You could have dodged my rebuttal with less guile.

butterflyl1on:
Proudgorgeousga you should know (just in case you haven't heard) that I thrive in situations like this.

You can ask hopefullandlord.

When people are nice I reciprocate but when they stupidly begin to talk nasty I first ask that they slow their roll but when they insist I reciprocate but in unimaginable doses.

You would do well to heed this advice.

You that was destroyed several times on this thread?