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rhektor:
Jack Jack Jack
You must be a comic boss
What has he twisted here? You like every other Nairaland atheist will be hiding behind Internet anonymity to spew thrash. Can't you even for once think straight? I ask again can't you?

Make an argument. Don't just call names

spacetacular:
wrong Jack! You really need to start thinking before you type.

Can you show me any form of proof that shows that the creator of the universe is more complex than the universe?

How on earth do you not know what the word ETERNAL means? How can an ETERNAL being be created? Your physical mind is playing tricks on you Jack.

Checkmate! Your true colour has come out. Alt username oshi.

Logic has failed you. Who is more complex, the man or the machine he created?

rhektor:
So going by your own argument we can not attribute Microsoft to Bill Gates until we know who design Bill Gates himself? Guy you should watch the second video of Platinga maybe you'll bury head unthinking head in shame

Thanks for showing how to miss a point.

Please follow the logic.

The argument from complexity states that the universe is so complex that it couldn't come by chance- something created it.


The rebuttal to the argument is that the creator that created the complex universe will be more complex than the universe and therefore something created that creator.

KingEbukasBlog:
You just shot yourself in the foot . You being a computer program , a robot , or a human being is YOUR NATURE . Your existence(whatever behind the moniker JackBizzle) is one thing and your nature(human , robot , computer program ) is another .

What is this one saying?

What exists? My name or my body?

How then do you say that my body exists without describing it? How do you differentiate my body from others

Statsocial:
The killing of twins was just an example out of many and it is by far more than what Atheism could and ever did. If all you think Christianity did was stopping the killing of twins then think again. virtually every community in Africa is linked to some horrid practice whether it is female genital mutilation, annual human sacrifice, marriage with the dead, OSU, Monarchial cannibalism( Eating of a predecessors heart) For instance prior to the establishment of Christianity every Yoruba person knows that when a King dies a certain number of heads most roll to "Escort the King to the Beyond" but gradually that changed as Christianity and even Islam got a strong hold on the Yoruba monarchy. Now the last ooni did not eat the heart of his predecessor because of his Christian faith.


Christianity was an entire cultural change. It redefined how we lived. From giving us better families by encouraging monogamy to bridging and bringing communities together.

As an Atheist(I presume) you are entitled to your Opinion but not your facts. you can't rewrite history!

C
You forget that Christianity has its own 'demonic' practices?

Killing witches. Suffering homosexual etc

felixomor:
Thats for theists and deists to argue....
Under the topic: The nature of God

And as far as we are concerned, you are not a deist.

But wait, in your dictionary, I guess the word "existence" and "nature" means the same thing?

To argue that something exists, one must touch on the nature of that thing.

For you to argue that you have a car, you would say that it is, a black Toyota with a certain license plate.

KingEbukasBlog:
You exist is one thing . Your nature is another thing .

I know there's a jackbizzle - this is one thing . But I don't how you look like , do I ? I don't . But this does not change the fact there is indeed a JackBizzle .

This is easy na bro ... haba !

Really?

Jackbizzle exists? Could you prove that I am not a computer programme that Seun developed to debate Christians on nairaland?



Stop being obtuse.

To prove that I , Jackbizzle, exist, you must argue that I am a being that types and reasons like a human being.

And by that alone, you have touched on the nature of a human being for dogs and other animals do not reason.



Checkmate bro.

KingEbukasBlog:
And you have the problem of infinite regress to solve .

Gosh , this is so easy .

The difference between my atheistic materialist philosophy is that I focus on real problems while you choose imaginary solutions.


The problem of infinite regress is a difficult one that has not been solved. A paradox. I admit it.


You on the other hand, have faith in the imaginary solution that doesn't answer anything.

Your answer means that your God is abstract. Imaginary. Unreal. Only such things could be said not to have a beginning

felixomor:
Exactly
These ignorant folks don't know that by opening this thread on deism, they have admitted that the atheism argument is dead.

Oh.....and deism validates Christianity ABI?

So Jesus was preaching about his deist father in space?

KingEbukasBlog:
You are not making any sense . Or you are being disingenuous . The fact still is that the arguments for God's existence have nothing do with the nature of God and deism as a theological position is concerned with the nature of God as a non-interventionist God .

This thread is empty as usual . Have a nice day !

Lol.....how can you separate nature from existence, especially when your Christian religion fuses both?



How can you argue for my existence without also mentioning my nature? How do you argue that I exist separately from my dog?

KingEbukasBlog:
1. Whatever begins to exist must have a cause

This premise agrees that there are somethings that are without a cause and those things are uncreated . Eg God , abstract/mathematical objects

Infinite regress solved !

Whatever begins to exist must have a cause.


That is, every physical thing has a cause.



The only things that don't have a cause that we know of are abstract (mom material) things.

So In short, your God is abstract......imaginary.

KingEbukasBlog:
This is why I think atheists are inept at arguing against God's existence . You don't understand what you are against . You just argue blindly .

Theology studies the nature of God . And deism as a theological position insists that the God who created the universe does not intervene in it . Cosmological argument or other logical arguments for God's existence do not argue for the nature of the divine but its existence .

It goes like this

1. The existence of God
2. The nature of God
3. Religion

I will only use the bible when I'm arguing for the credibility and verity of Christianity with adherents of other theistic religions .

If I'm arguing with a deist I argue with my knowledge of theology . Because the deist has a different thought of the nature of God .

If I argue with an atheist , Im concerned about the existence of God not Christianity or other religions .

Do you get it now ?

Your Christian religion covers the nature and existence of God and so, your ordered list is nonsense.


Furthermore, this is why there is a distinction between theology and Christianity or Christian theology.

KingEbukasBlog:
What?! Oh my God !

"God" is the title given to the creator of the universe .

In your religion and not others.

Don't be ignorant

Richirich713:
Can't be used for any God, Thor, Zeus, FSM etc all are finite, contingent beings. The Cosmological he gives can only be used to support monotheism or deism, it also directly proves atheism is false which is one of his goals.

From there he makes his cumulative case.

Lies.

1. Zeus and FSM are not finite. They are gods.

2. The kalam cosmological argument does not l8mit the number of creators.

3. The Cosmological argument fails on so many levels. First. It does not solve the problem of infinite regress but rather suggests that an uncreated creator solves it. But then that uncreated creator could be an alien, a ghost or a spaghetti monster

KingEbukasBlog:
You are shamelessly ignorant

Deism is a theological position and theology studies the nature of the divine . Deism posits that the nature of the divine is one which does not intervene in the affairs of man or the universe

Cosmological , Teleological , Ontological arguments were created theists Like Leibniz , Thomas Aquinas , and other theist intellectuals .

The philosophy of religion is different from the general view of theism or deism .

Gosh , you have no paucity of shame at all .

Bro. You need to calm down and read properly.

Cosmological arguments and co do not prove your religious God. I'm fact they argue for a deistic creator.

Creator and God are not the same.


The main point is that when you apologists argue for God's existence, you guys hardly use anything biblical. In fact, you guys start talking about how God was behind the big bang and his the universe is God.....

Richirich713:
He doesn't just use that argument, he specifically says he is making a cumulative case for theism.

His strongest argument could be used for any God.

It seems that you are not seeing the problem.

felixomor:
Why will you not fall cheap lies?
Olodo

But bro, you no shame small?

You lick azz so tey you come like post wey no get sense?

How could you go and like a post that is asking for the meaning of "OP"?

Statsocial:
You mean the same faith that stopped the killing of twins in calabar. That halted the sacrifice of humans. That turned ppl away from vile demonic worship of idols. That brought education on the wings of the gospel. You can't talk about the civilization of Africa without talking about the church. You may need to travel back in time to fully comprehend the positive impact Christianity has had on the landscape of Africa.

Everywhere Christianity has passed through till date is a bastion of peace. The continents we hold are the most functional and peaceful. From Europe, NAmerica, Austria and Oceania and even S/Africa.

Lol....the killing of twins were almost a century ago done by one tribe.

Worshipping of idols is not demonic. Lest you forget that there are Christian crosses and statues of Jesus.


We can all see the ignorance and corruption which christianity contributes to Nigeria in a daily basis today. From corrupt pastors to prosperity preaching to killing child witches.



If you can see the few good things Christianity has done e.g. education, why can't you see the bad?

Richirich713:
Craig argues for the resurrection in almost every debate he does yet you think he's arguing for the deism.

That is, he is arguing for the divinity of Jesus.

When it comes to God, it is a different matter. My guy dey do cosmological arguments

jonbellion:
When you point it out they start talking shyiiiiit

Confused lot

It is something that I noticed.

Nothing in Genesis resembles the big bang or formation of galaxies.

If one is observant, he will find that many Christian apologists run away from defending their God but instead, they argue for a deistic God.

Christian apologists like kingebukasblog, Craig Williams and Turek all seen to be Christians at heart but deist when they meet atheists.

Isn't this some kind of silent admittance that a christian God is just not logical, especially when it comes to philosophical debates?

The fact remains that atheism is not a religion and neither is it science.

I do not see how it can be used as a tool to control.

Statsocial:
Most of these Atheists are insane, demonized madmen. Taking advantage of the ignorance and gullibility of many Christians. If your Atheism was so Golden North Korea wouldn't be a deathhole.

I would do whatever it takes to propagate my faith, you do whatever you think is necessary to propagate ur Religion of Atheism.

And your faith that is spread throughout Nigeria, has much good come of it?

Don't mind kingebukasblog.

If he truly believed that atheism in Nigeria is nothing, he wouldn't be here trying to derail this thread.


I heard that an IT guy is building a sceptic forum. I hope it goes well....i would join something like that. I would build a forum if I could

bennyann:
It means he doesn't have problems with the insults as an atheist. Don't you think the enemy has sent him?

JackBizzle Well-done. If you're looking for someone that will jamb you by insulting you, please go to the romance section, I beg

Bros, wetin I do you?

spacetacular:
Oh shut up!

When questions arise from the opposer or supporter in debates they ALWAYS include their arguments which show why their questions are VALID.

I guess you were not paying attention in school.

Take correction and MAKE CORRECTIONS.

I was starting a debate.

Keep being silly

spacetacular:
Are you normally this dense or this is just a one time thing.

You claimed you wanted a "CIVIL DEBATE". What part of the word "DEBATE" do you not understand?
Debates have to do with arguments and not questions. If you do have questions then debates entail you back them up with arguments.

This was your question about Jesus rising from the dead.

"As a biologist, how do you explain Jesus rising from the dead, when you know that a dead body can't rise again especially after 3 days?"

You said WHEN YOU KNOW! when WHO knows? Christians or you Atheists?

If you based your WHEN YOU KNOW on everyone or just atheists then show us your arguments defending this position.

I have noticed a Trend with you. YOU THINK YOU ARE INTELLIGENT BUT THAT IS YOU TELLING YOURSELF A LIE.

Just look at the bold.

Why are you so dull?

Debates are started with questions.

In atheist vs christian debates, they are all started with questions.
-is there a god?
-has religion done more harm than good?


Please, swerve with your foolishness

Joshthefirst:
read my previous comments on this thread for clarification. I'm not in the business of repeating myself too much.


God gave human beings an intellect, and medicine is a blessing, not a curse. But it has it's limits, from there people can trust in the healing power of God.

As I have said before, the best arguments for God comes from human ignorance. As we can see from the bolded in the quoted comment, God's healing lies in the limits of human intellect and medicine.

Joshthefirst, your argument is weak

TLuzzie:
Bullsh!t

He told you to SWERVE. This is his thread. If you have issues with his presentation, FUCK_ OFF! He didn't invite you. He owes you no explanation. And of course, there's no crux to the topic simply because you said so. Other Christians already started responding before you began spewing your nonsense. This is not the first time an atheist will open a thread and throw questions at Christians, and the Christians have done the same many times in the past. No one complained, so what's your stress?

Pure baloney. Heap of bullocks.

I don't think I ever said you discussed anything other than prayer. Your responses were dishonest. "Every sensible person could see that".

Pile of batsh!t.

Jesus is the foremost authority. Even his apostles can't contradict him, let alone you. Anyone who contradicts him MUST be wrong. Finito.

Absolute horsesh!t.

You are wasting your time. Spacetacular is not open to reason and could possibly be trolling.

How can someone see 5 straightforward questions and then be claiming that there is no evidence for the argument? Is questioning a statement an argument? When did questions based on what is stated in the bible need evidence? Did Jesus not rise again in the bible?

tobechi74:
it means science has a long way to go in unraveling the mystery of world

Or that religion cannot admit when it is scientifically wrong

KingEbukasBlog:
You are always mentioning her even though she ignores the fvck out of you .

Bro....why??

Amberon11:
Its obvious you're incorrigible. You are insulting someone and telling them not to be upset. Rip to logical reasoning. If anyone need growing up, it is you.

Says the little child that needs a sky daddy.