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Davash222:
And after learning the Language what will happen?


Kuku use the opportunity go learn how to make money.

Money is not a problem. Learning Igbo is. Answer the question or leave.

I am from amaigbo in imo state. I have been trying to find the easiest Igbo dialect to learn so that I can proceed on my own to learn other dialects. I heard that imo state dialect is the easiest. I don't know how to proceed since I don't know any relative staying there. How do I go about in learning the language? My dad is not a part of my life and my mom doesn't want to teach me. I'm not close to my aunts and uncles so I can't really meet them. I want to know how to proceed in learning the language of a place where I know no one. Thanks.

BornInApril:
God controls the world.

Which God?

Eddlad:
I made it quite clear early on,The crust of my post was to emphasize that not enough is done in search for God. God doesn't own anyone anything, "seek and ye shall find", not the other way round.

You doubt the bible itself and hence it's accounts, so how will my quote of it serve as proof of any sort?

More than enough has been done in the search for God, yet we find nothing. Google the search for God and you will know that there are people who have spent their entire lives on the search for God. If there is a God that wants to be found we would find it, until then people should not believe in something that seems to be nothing more than a made up being. BTW, what would you say of a father that waits for his child to'find'him instead of showing himself without even being asked?

If you can prove that your God exists and is the good that the Bible talks about, your quotes from the Bible would not be taken seriously.

pennywys:
omo keep ur rags away make I see road abeg

The rags of religion should be thrown away so that we all could see the real world instead of the fantasies of religion.

Ebiakpo33:
If we wait for evidence before we can do things or believe in God , don't you think it is rather too risky ?

Which is more risky? Crossing a road without looking because someone told to that the road is clear or looking to see if that person is correct before crossing? Giving up your life to an entire belief without first having evidence whether it is accurate AND good is risky!

SuaveFinance:
Allah is the greatest, I read an article which gave examples of how some people have the best things in life and are still ungrateful and unhappy. After reflecting on the examples, I thought to myself if you do not have a good relationship with Allah you cannot be happy. He blesses you with the emotions. Part of having a good relationship with Him is being thankful to Him for all the blessings He has bestowed upon you. When you are grateful for His blessings upon you He blesses you with more. That is the truth. A negative mindset attracts negativity which ungratefulness is an example and when you are ungrateful you attract worries, anxiety, depression and the likes. While a grateful heart attracts joy, love, happiness, peace and the likes. A positive mindset can also help you achieve business growth, personal growth and help you increase your wealth. This all depends on your relationship with Allah (SWT).

The Islamic prayers which is the only acceptable prayer by God is one medium that helps you remain thankful to Him. While making the 5 daily prayers (obligatory prayers and some of the so many ways you can use to pray to Allah), you always recite Surat Al-Fatiha, quoting verse 2 of the Surat its says 'Praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds'. Thus, you are always thankful. You also always recite Alhamdulillahi 33 times at the end of every prayer. So you will always be thankful when you pray 5 times daily, however, you must concentrate and pay attention to your prayers while remembering Allah (SWT) during your prayers. Allah loves those that are faithful to Him and He blesses them abundantly. The fact that you are emotionally stable is not by your might but by His grace, as such, you should always be thankful to Him. Blessings come in so many ways, the air that you breathe in is a blessing, the water is a blessing and you should be thankful to Allah (SWT) for them. Even when challenges occur you should be thankful to Allah for the challenges because they make you a better person while strengthening you.

satan wants you to be ungrateful, and you know he is all about evil. As such being ungrateful is evil. Find something in your life that makes you happy and be thankful for it, even the challenges be thankful to Allah (SWT) for it and He will bless you more and change the challenges to blessings. You do not want satan to win. A verse in the Quran we were informed by Allah(SWT) that satan said "Because You have sent me astray, i will sit and wait against them (human beings) on Your straight path, then i will certainly come to them from before them and from behind them, and from the right-hand side and from the left-hand side, and Thou (Allah) shall not find most of them thankful" (Quran, Chapter 7: Verse 16,17). satan also said "By Your Might, then i will surely mislead them all. Except Your chosen slaves amongst them (i.e faithful, obedient, true believers of Islamic Monotheism)" (Quran Chapter 38, Verse 82, 83). You do not want satan to have power over you, so be always thankful to Allah (SWT)

Allah (SWT) says "And if an evil whisper from satan tries to turn you away (O Muhammad) from doing good, then seek refuge in Allah. Verily, He is the All Hearer, the All Knower" (Quran, Chapter 41: Verse 36). Anytime you find yourself ungrateful, seek refuge in Allah from satan the outcast. Allah also says "And whoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make a way for him to get out of every difficulty. And He will provide him from sources he never could imagine, Allah suffices for anyone who puts his trust in Him. Allah will surely bring about what He decrees. He has set a measure for all things" (Quran, Chapter 65: Verse 2,3). Be thankful to Allah when facing any challenge and He will strengthen you, bring you of it and bless you. Always reflect on blessings regularly.

Thank you for reading this article

Be thankful to Allah for creating Satan to tempt you and cause you to do evil so that Allah would have reason to punish you.

Page07:
Blessed are they that have not seen but believed.

Blessed are they that look at the road to see if there is a car coming, for theirs is the other side of the road.

You can apply that logic to anything.
Blessed are those who have not seen Allah, but believe.
Blessed are those who have not seen Vishnu but believe.
Blessed are they who have not seen the flying spaghetti monster, but believe.
Blessed are they who have not seen Mithra but believe.

Blessed are they who have not seen a house but buy it.
Blessed are they who have not seen a woman but marry her.
Blessed are those who believe the earth is flat because the Bible says so.

What you are asking me to do is just believe, Bleep evidence. I can't do that. If scientists did that, we would still be on the dark ages.

KingEbukaNaija:
The 2016 atheists subscribe to militant atheism . And from that thread we understand that today's atheists have the disposition to be malignant towards the religious . And would inflict harm on the religious if they had that discretion like the atheist leaders.




"Suffering" seems rather ambiguous here . Can you actually explain what you mean by suffering ?

Conservapidia says that "Militant atheists have a desire to propagate the doctrine, and differ from moderate atheists because they hold religion to be harmful."

This is from a religious website, I might add. That's different from what you said. Also atheists are not malignant to theists, we just say that your beliefs are wrong and can be harmful. If you read your Bible, you would realize that if taken literarily, it will be harmful to people. Leviticus 20 prescribes the death punishment for insulting one's parents and adultery. We both know that these crimes are not worthy of death, but we have to realize that some people have actually died because of this law. There are many others in the Bible and Qur'an that shows how harmful religious can be and that's why we are against it. Also, if you see someone who believes in the flying spaghetti monster, would you keep quiet? No. You would go up to him and challenge his beliefs about it. Why can't some do the same to you when you believe in an imaginary God for which there is no scientific evidence.

Ebiakpo33:
But , I think you should believe in God !

I know there is a God who owns this world .

I agree with you that we humans must do something to save this world .

There must be a supreme God somewhere.

EVIDENCE BEFORE BELIEF.

yommyuk:
A lot of people find it hard to personally apply “For God so loved the world ...” to themselves. Sadly, they have bought into the devil’s lie that they aren’t important enough to be singled out for blessing from among the billions on earth. But they seem to forget that the same God who singled out Abraham, Moses, David, Mary, etc. for his good pleasure can choose anyone he pleases.

How do I know that God thinks you are special? Jesus Christ died for you. Because of the heavenly Father’s love for the world, He sent His Son to die on the cross as a sacrifice for the sins of everyone living in the past, present, or future. None of us deserve the Father’s care and protection, but thankfully, deserving isn’t the basis for His love. In fact, God’s very nature is love, which He demonstrated through Christ’s death “while we were yet sinners”.

God cares so much for His children that He gives each one a place in His plan for the world. Believers are gifted with the talents and attributes needed to carry out His purpose. However, Christians who consider themselves exempt from His love aren’t looking for the opportunities He sends. They are too distracted by Satan’s lying voice.

The Lord loves you. He says so again and again in the Scriptures. But don’t take my word for it. Read His Word for yourself and see how much He cares.

Ephesians 1:4-5
Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,

John 15:16
You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.

Romans 8:28-30
And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

Romans 5:8
But God showed his great love for us by sending Christ to die for us while we were still sinners.

1 John 4:13
And God has given us his Spirit as proof that we live in him and he in us

IT IS WELL. GOD BLESS

A father places a bottle of poisonous pills on the table within their reach. He then tells the children not to take the pills or else they would die. The children who are too young to understand the gravity of death, climb on the table and share the poisonous pills. When he comes back, he finds his children unconscious, possibly dead. Is that father a loving father? Is he innocent when it comes to the possible death of his children?
Now how about applying that to God in the case of the garden of Eden and see how loving God is. You can exonerate the father in the story above by saying that he didn't have any foreknowledge of his children's choice. You can use the fact that we imperfect humans make mistakes, you can't make an excuse for God. Godis omniscient and knows the beginning from the end. Therefore he knew the consequences for his actions. He KNEW that man would eat the tree, yet he put it there. He created man in such a way that man was gullible enough to be deceived by a talking snake. He KNEW the future that awaited his 'children' if he put this tree there. Do you think that God is truly innocent in all this? Also, remember that it was God that created Satan knowing fully well the monster that Satan would become. God know all this before hand and yet went on with his plan and you say that he is loving?

Please can you give me a complete description of what God is to you. Include all characteristics you deem necessary to describe him/her. Explain why you think he/she exists and why you think he/she possesses such characteristics. I don't care about your religion or lack thereof.

promise10:
I would like to answer your question, but I was wondering how abusive you were on your post.

If I may ask, who are you actually fighting with? Christians? Or who?

C'mon! If you want a good and resourceful response to your questions like this, just stay humble, LISTEN and then argue. Act like a literate!

OK. I stand corrected. So what's your response?

realmindz:
Studying the bible deeply can make an atheist, so many fallacies, illogical events and contradictions.

The bible is all about the Jewish mythology and the jewish dictator Yaweh.

Christianity is a Kingdom standing against itself.

Exactly! When I was questioning religion, I was constantly told to ignore all the parts that don't make sense and just hold on to the parts that work for me. If that's the case, no wonder there are several thousands of denominations of Christianity who are debating on what is right and wrong. It's mythology and it's sad to see grown up people believing that it is historical fact.

Mixture between intellectual atheist and seeker agnostic.

KingEbukaNaija:
Are there questions about God , the bible or Christianity that have been bothering you for a while now . Please post them so they can be addressed by knowledgeable Christians on this forum .

1) How do you know the Bible is the word of God? If you quote 1Timothy 3:16, please note that just because you were inspired by a tree to write a book doesn't mean that the book is the word of that tree. Also, this was referring to the Old Testament as the New Testament were not regarded as scriptures then. They were not even written yet. Remember, most of Christianity's doctrines are from the New Testament.

2) Why does evil exist if God is all good. A perfect being would be incapable of creating imperfection except it was what he wanted. Therefore, if God wanted imperfection and evil to exist, why does he blame man for man's imperfection when that was his will from the beginning.

I don't believe that God exists, but if he did, he's the one in charge and responsible for everything. Therefore, he is at fault for the evils in this world.
What I mean is that, God supposedly knows the end from the beginning and knew the consequences of creating Lucifer, yet he did. He knew that giving Lucifer certain characteristics would result in Lucifer rebelling against him and deceiving mankind which would lead to untold suffering of billions of people in hell, yet he did it. He is at fault, because we're are all his creation. Everything that exists comes from God one way or the other. Therefore if God created the good, he also created the evil and is responsible for both of them. A lots of people blame the devil for their misfortunes without realising that God is the one who created the devil. If you believe that God exists and is the creator of all things, you have to realize that he is also the creator if evil. Blaming humans for being curious or not worshipping God is like Bill Gates blaming Windows if the costumers don't like it.

Like I said earlier, I don't believe in God and I think that the evils in this world are caused by a lot of things, but instead of just sitting down and saying useless prayers, I think we should go out out and do something about it.

Whenever I get into a conversation about morality with a Christian, they always tell me that without the Bible, people would be immoral and that the Ten Commandments are the basis of most morality. But I ask, if the Ten Commandments are the basis of morality, why don't Christians keep to all of them. I'm sure you are thinking of the laws written in Exodus 20, but those aren't the Ten Commandments. In fact, they were just laws that were spoken to the children of Israel. They were never written on stone tablets and they were never called the 'Ten Commandments'. The real Ten Commandments lie in Exodus 34 :14-26 and are listed below:

1) Do not worship any other God, for the Lord, who's name is Jealous, is a jealous God. (Exodus 34:14-16)

2) Do not make cast idols. (Exodus 34:17)

3) Celebrate the feast of the unleavened bread. (Exodus 34: 18)

4) The first offspring of every womb belongs to me ... no one is to appear before me empty handed. (Exodus 34: 19-20)

5) Six days you shall labour, but on the seventh day, you shall rest. (Exodus 34: 21)

6) Celebrate the Feast of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year (Exodus 34:22)

7) Three times a year shall all your men appear before the Sovereign Lord, the God of Israel. (Exodus 34:23-24)

Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast and do not let any of the sacrifice from Passover remain until morning. (Exodus 34:25)

9) Bring the first fruits of your soil to the house of the Lord your God. (Exodus 34:26)

10) Do not cook a goat in its mother's milk (Exodus 34: 26)

These ten laws are the basis of all morality! (According to Christians) I think the laws speak for themselves on how stupid they are.

If you don't believe me, check out the next two verses:
"Then the Lord said to Moses, 'Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.' Moses was there forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. AND HE WROTE THE WORDS OF THE COVENANT -- THE TEN COMMANDMENTS."

You and I know that these laws are stupid and should not be taken seriously, but according to Christians, since it is in the Bible, it is the WORD OF GOD! If so, why is it that you don't obey the Ten Commandments, the covenant between God and Israel, the real Ten Commandments.

abduljabbar4:
If the Nigerian army continues what its currently doing, i think we wont hear about them again in no time. Security is the only problem but almost everything is ok. Also dont forget that he took over just 2 months ago.

Everything else is ok? We have a poor healthcare system, our education is deteriorating by the year, there is high unemployment, high rate of violence, high mortality rates among infants and mothers, pedophilia is still legal in Nigeria, our roads are bullshit, poor housing, corruption, poverty, income and wealth inequality etc, and you say that Nigeria is ok? I hate the mentality that we have that Nigeria is ok. Nigeria is not ok, and let's stop acting as if it is. We have the potential to be so much more than this, yet we settle for all these nonsense. let's not settle for no electricity and let's stand up to the government and see whether they would not change. If we fought all these things the way we fight homosexuality, do you think that they would still exist?

paulGrundy:
First of all answer this question, are you a troll?

No.

Yes they should.

I am an atheist gay Nigerian. I want to ask the Nairaland community what they would do to me if they saw me in real life? Please be honest.

Aceed:
Even people that masturbate are placed higher on a preference scale than gays, at least maybe they can't walk up to a woman for sex or there is no ready female or can you masturbate with the image of your joystick being in your @ss?


A plug is meant for a socket, not a plug for a plug

Does that mean that putting a plug and a plug together is morally wrong and the people that do that should be killed?

Aceed:
When the joystick is hard enough and it releases sp3rm, that sp3rm is to fertilize eggs; and eggs are only found in a woman and those eggs are accessible through the v@gina of a woman.

Now come to think of it, if the eggs are not accessible through the ars3 of a woman, what would a joystick be looking for in the ars3 of someone who also has a joystick?

Don't behave as if you don't masturbate. When you do, what do you do with the sperm you release? You clean it up. You don't carry it up and give it to a woman. When you have sex with women, do you have sex because you want to impregnate every one of them, no. You do it for pleasure. Having anal sex is not for procreation, it is for pleasure and bonding, just like majority of the sex you have is not for children but for pleasure and bonding.

Cashquest:
just imagine. Isnt it very insane to develop an urge for sex toward ur fellow man?.
u need to be tied down in an altar for 5 years deliverance

Tell me one place in the bible were a gay person became straight and then I would think of having the deliverance. Also, if it is insane, shouldn't you be doing research into my insanity instead of just tying me up for 5 years and wasting my time. Though I don't mind a spank or two.

Cashquest:
they dont need to tell u its wrong .thats if u re not one

I am gay.

jerryunit48:
Lev.20:13 If any man should lie with another mankind the way he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination , they shall surely be put to death " I did not say it the Bible says so

Why is it that we strictly follow that passage, but forget to follow the other passages about a child insulting their parents. Why shouldn't we just kill all adulterers if we are to follow the bible so strictly?

Till today, I've not heard one valuable argument for why homosexuality is wrong. All the arguments that are listed below are the ones that I have heard before and I am going to try to refute them, but if you have additional arguments for why it is wrong please say something.

1) It is un-African
The fact that people say that homosexuality is un-African shows a huge ignorance about our culture. Before colonization, we were accepting of homosexuality and treated them with respect. We didn't pry into people's bedrooms to see whether they were having sex the right way or not and we lived according to the African principle of "live and let live". It was when the British colonized us, that they brought homophobia with them. They forced Christianity down the throats of our fore fathers and enforced the "Buggery Law" which criminalized homosexuality. It is our culture to be accepting of people's differences instead of killing them for it.

2) It is against my religion
When people say this, I shake my head. When we call upon our religion, we constantly forget that we are constantly doing the things that the said religion is against. You call upon Leviticus 20:13 to condemn homosexuality, yet you forget these verses:

Leviticus 20:9
Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head

Leviticus 20:10
If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death

We don't put the verses into action. Why? Because we know we are guilty of some of them and instead of trying to better ourselves, we then turn around and scapegoat others. Remember, God didn't destroy Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexuality but because they didn't care for the poor and needy among them.

Ezekiel 16:49
Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy.

3) It is un-natural
Just do some research and you would find that homosexuality is found in nature.
[url][/url]http://www.livescience.com/44464-bonobo-homosexuality-natural.html
Before you say "Should we then follow the actions of animals?" I would say that the only reason people bring up this point is to say just that.

4) Homosexuals cannot reproduce
Just because they can't reproduce doesn't mean that what they are doing is wrong. Old people can't reproduce, does that mean that they shouldn't get married or have sex?
There are people who have diseases that make them infertile, does that mean that they shouldn't be allowed to have sex or get married.
There are people who chose not to have kids, does that mean that they shouldn't have sex or get married?
This is just a flimsy excuse. By the way, we are so concerned about bringing more children into the world while we have not taken care of the ones that are already here in this world. About half of Nigerians'population is under 18 and we should do something to take care of the existing children instead of worrying about bringing more children into this broken country.

5) People are not born gay
Actually people are born gay, but, let's assume that they are not, does that mean that we should kill them? People are not born Christians, they chose to be Christians, does that mean that we should all of a sudden send Christians to jail? That's stupid. Also, given the difficult lives of gays in Nigeria who would knowingly choose to be gay? Would you wake up one morning and be attracted to someone of the same sex?

6) It is a mental disease
If you truly believe that homosexuality is a disease, shouldn't you be asking for help for gay people instead of sending them to 14 years in prison where they wouldn't get any help? Shouldn't we be trying to do more research into homosexuality to find out the cause of it or the cure instead of just killing gay people or sending them to jail? Shouldn't you be asking for more hospitals and research on this topic like we did for HIV/AIDS? Yet, instead of doing all those, we kill the people that are suffering with this supposed mental illness. That's like saying that we can't sure HIV/AIDS, therefore instead of doing more research on it, we should just kill all infected people.

7) I don't like it
Just because you don't like something doesn't mean that it is wrong. I don't like eating meat does that mean that all meat eaters should be sentenced to 14 years in prison? No. That's the same for homosexuality. If you don't understand it, do some research instead of condemning people.

Homosexuality hurts no one and is practiced in privacy. It cannot be transferred from one person to another. Please let's have a rational conversation about homosexuality.

Edehsman:
I believe in God Almighty.ask yourself why are you still alive.God is all.don't deceive and confuse people as you are.Change your thinking.Ftc.

I am alive as a result of being immunized as a child, brought up in a clean and sanitary environment, given medicine for the malaria I got and chicken pox I got. I was given good food, had sleep and exercised. Simple. it kept my heart running and I am alive.

psucc:
Another story from a wandering mind. God really exist my dude.

Show me how. Don't just tell me to believe without giving evidence.

I am an atheist that was formerly a Christian. Till today I still can't fathom how educated individuals in Nigeria can still believe in the bible despite all the impossibilities in it. During my transition into atheism, I went through this phase where everyone I met told me that I should just believe without the evidence. They said that it was my disbelief that was driving me away from God and that I should not question him. I should just keep quiet and follow him even though I'm not sure he exists. I'm sure most Christians would ask what is wrong with that but I want to ask you, if a someone of another faith tells you to convert to their faith without showing proof that their God is real, would you do it? You wouldn't. That's how I feel. If there is no scientific evidence showing the existence of God, then I cannot believe in him.

Also, one of the reasons that I started doubting Christianity is all the impossible and horrible stories it contains (I'm sure someone would use the 'God of the Gaps' argument here and say that God did it):

1) How could God create this earth in 6 days, but take only one day to create the rest of the universe? That is impossible. According to recent estimates, there are about 100 billion planets in the universe and assuming that they are all the size of the earth, it would take about 600 billion days for God to create them and that's not including the stars!!

2) God is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent and yet, he didn't know that creating putting the tree of knowledge in the garden would lead to the destruction of his beautiful creation? Didn't he know that he would later regret his choice (Gen. 6:6)? After all he knew the end from the beginning, he would have known that creating the tree would lead to billions of people to hell, yet he still created it. How is that loving? As a parent, how many of you would create something knowing your child would suffer forever as a result of that thing? I'm sure none of you, yet you would excuse your God from doing the same thing.

3) If God is caring and compassionate and provides for the needs of the faithful if they just ask, why is Nigeria in the state it is in today? After all, we have people praying from morning to night asking for Go'd guidance and help, yet things seem to only get worse. In countries like Sweden, Denmark, Finland, they are made up of mostly atheists, yet they do not experience the amount of violence that we experience in Nigeria. They have good social safety net, low rate of unemployment, very good security, high life expectancy, low rate of corruption and are constantly said to be the happiest countries on earth (Nigeria was recently said to be the worst place to be born in).

4) How did Noah carry all the species of animals on the earth into the ark? Presently, there are about 15 million species of animals on the earth (a conservative estimate and we are losing species everyday). How did Noah put all these animals inside that ark? Also, apart from the two of every kind of animal, they had to carry extra animals for the lions, the tigers and other carnivores to eat. They also had to carry lots of hay and grass for the cows, goats, horses and sheep. How did they fit inside the boat? Why are there still fish alive today. If the flood happened, it would have messed up the salt balance of the waters and that would have killed loads of fish. Also, how come 8 unskilled people were able to build an ark of that size that lasted for about 40 days without bending, while skilled people build the Wyoming and it bent. It was not even as big as the ark.

5) Why did God punish the people in Noah's time? It was not like he had given them any commandments and there was not evidence that he talked to them.

6) Using the timelines of the bible, the earth is 6000 years old. How is that possible when there has been fossils that have been dated to around 100,000 years.

7)Why do you actually believe in God? is it because you genuinely believe that God exists or you are just using him as an insurance policy against the bad times and ultimately hell.

There are many more reasons that I doubt the existence of a God, particularly the Abrahamic God, but I can't list all of the here. I am just worried that this deep religiousity of Nigerians would not overcome our common sense and our ability to think about the world around us in a purely scientific way instead of relying on a book that was written 2000 years ago. If we just use God to answer everything in the universe, we would not advance, we would not be able to do research on things that we don't understand like HIV, homosexuality, small pox etc and try to come to reasonable conclusions not rash conclusions based on things that were written by people who thought that blood letting worked.

What are all these old men doing thirsting over an underage girl?