Sky Blue:

@Jamco45, if you said something like firing on the spot for corrupt officers and long term improsonment if prosecuted then i would say that is viable thinking outside the box. Even shooting on sight or public flogging (i am not advocating these by the way) then that is thinking outside the box. I am sorry, but paying thieves more money to not steal That i really don't get.

We need to motivate. Job satisfaction or are civil servant not allowed to have job satisfaction. A good government has to be charismatic and creative not just a dictator. After job satisfaction some of what you said can be used as well.

Uche2nna:

Out of desperation/ frustration, I guess.



Whats your point?

My point exactly. We are fraustrated. If you don't get it now then am sorry.

House,
If a thief comes to your house everyday to disturb you and your family, you tried to kill him but unsuccessful, get him arrested also unsuccessful, move house and they move with you. You tried everything. What will you do?

To beat a thief you have to think like one thats the only way forward (I am not saying be a thief, I Said think like one). We can't keep getting upset and doing nothing all the time. we will keep going in circles, round and round and round.

Most of you are probably right but i am trying to think outside the box for a minute.

Why do governments around the world negotiate with terrorists after various attempt to stop their actions.

If nobody get my ideology then I might as well stop writing now.

To sum up my point. All I am trying to say is that we can start our fight against corruption by paying Politicians, Police, Lectures, Army, Doctors, Civil Servants very well and make their job fulfilling. It will not eradicate it but it can be a start.

Please people give realistic contribution to how we can accomplice this (don't say things like kill them all, not realistic)

We don't need to lie to ourselves. Most or all of our politicians are theives. Its hard to find someone honest and if you do people he meets in government will either corrupt him through threats and blackmail or he will simply join them. You are talking about how it should be, you are right but I am looking for a solution. Pay them well to moltivate them.
Don't get me wrong its not only the politicians that needs to be paid well. Police, Army, Doctors, Lecturers, Teachers, Nurses, civil servants all need to be paid well. We all know what these guys get up to just to make fast buck.
We need to turn that mentality around and look for solutions instead of dwelling on how things should be. I was a civil servant in UK before starting my business and I can tell you that the job was well paid (London standard), Police is a good job, Lectuers are extremely well paid etc. We cannot keep neglecting these profession and expect them not to steal.

Naija president earns just under N3,000,000 a year (not sure of the figure), common a whole president? I earn that easily in a month. Why won't they steal. UK prime minister earns about £190,000 and all expenses the difference is clear. Nigeria can afford to pay these professionals well so they can govern us with honestly and sincerity.

I still believe its better to pay and indulge our leaders well instead of them stealing our money.

LOL

texazzpete:

@Jamco45
YOU do research about businesses. The Nigerian Govt owns 60% of some jointly operated concessions with Chevron Nigeria, not 60% of Chevron Nigeria. Chevron Nigeria belongs to the Chevron group.

Read carefully what you post next time.

Please interprete this statement

"CNL operates under a joint-venture arrangement with the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation, which owns a 60 percent interest".

Maybe I interpreted it wrongly. Help me.

You are diverting. Nobody treated BA like the government.

BA has been privatised long time ago therefore it belongs to the shareholders not the government.

Bill Gates owns about 22% of Microsoft therefore he is just a shareholder.

Virgin Nigeria is Nigerian National Airline 51% owned by Nigerians.

Honestly there is nothing wrong with not knowing everything but I know you will not give up so I will. Owning a business does not mean you know everything about one. I own about 5 successful ones home (UK, Nigerian) and abroad (Ghana) and I will never claim to know it all.

Ok if you say so. Please do a little research about businesses.

Kobojunkie,

Trust me it means you own the company and you can make any major decision/s as you are the majority shareholder.

CHEVRON NIGERIAN IS ALSO OWNED BY NIGERIA 60% and 40% CHEVRON

"Chevron Nigeria Ltd. (CNL), Chevron's principal subsidiary in Nigeria, operates and holds a 40 percent interest in 13 concessions covering 2.2 million acres (8,900 sq km), predominantly in the onshore and near-offshore regions of the Niger Delta. CNL operates under a joint-venture arrangement with the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation, which owns a 60 percent interest".

http://www.chevron.com/countries/nigeria/

Virgin Nigerian is owned by Nigeria.

"Virgin Nigeria will be owned 51% by Nigerian institutional investors, via a private placement process to be completed before launch. The balance will be held by Virgin Atlantic Limited. Total investment is expected to be around US$ 50 million, of which Virgin Atlantic will be providing its 49% share, likely to be around $24.5 million. After the airline has successfully developed a track record share ownership will be widened to all Nigerian investors via an Initial Public Offering on the Nigerian Stock Exchange".

http://www.virginnigeria.com/en/ng/press/pr2004-09-28.html

http://www.virginnigeria.com/en/ng/press/pr2007-4-19.html

Who is the government? Ghanians? Togolese? Whitemen? We are the government.

The problem is not the project, the contractor or the government. The problem is we Nigerians. When we change our mentality things will start changing. Why didn’t you close the window when it started raining? Are you telling me the driver does not have a windscreen wiper, do you also expect a wiper on the side window? We are always very quick to report faults in everything. The government is trying (Lagos state that is). Everyone is always fighting for their own pocket and forgetting whatever they do will comeback to them.
Cables get stolen from electricity projects, aluminum gets stolen from bridges, and managers of the new bus company try to make their side money by not declaring the money made to the government. Who are this managers, maintenance department and people that steal; it’s you and I the ordinary people. We cannot keep blaming the government for everything. I think we probably need a government that will treat us like kids, the Buhari and Idiagbon regime where you get punished severely for disobeying aspect of the law.
It very difficult to change the mentality of the ordinary person in Naija but each person can do their little bit to make a difference.
Most people on the forum will do worse than the present government if giving the change to govern. I think we should stop criticizing and complaining about everything and do the little bit we can to help. We all know Naija is as bad as it can get but so long as we still love our country and we want to leave there or go back home some day then we all need to be positive and support the government. Let’s make positive noise when there is need to. LET’S JUST TO OUR BIT.

Boycott joke is outdated.

Spermdrops,

Who is fighting you? Why are you being so aggressive? Life is very simple man. Don't let nairaland increase your high blood pressure. Can't you put your point through to the house intelligently. Wisdom is rear, your aggressiveness will not get you anywhere.

Spermdrops:

In Nigeria, the brain dead apathetic populace who deserve what they get for putting up with the nonsense around them but only complain without moving an inch. Inabilty to fight for their "basic human" rights being so lazy and dumb. Actually the annoyance is from their stupid complaints when they all have crooks in their villages they welcome home every Xmas or Ramadan.

In the rest of the world, the ability to manipulate others to their advantage because of "super power" status.

I hope you know that the Nigerian populace you are abusing include YOU, YOUR FATHER, YOUR MOTHER, YOUR BROTHER, YOUR SISTER, GRAND PARENTS, COUSINS, FRIENDS, UNCLES AND AUNTIES. I am sure they are all Nigerians as well if not I apologise. Look within yourself to see how you have made a difference before you condemn a nation. Very Sad.

Nigerian court frees 'dead son'

For the last six years, Mr Nwaokporo's family believed he was dead

A Nigeria man, believed dead by his family, has been released from police custody on bail after seven years in detention without charge.

Ugochukwu Nwaokporo, now 24, was arrested in 2001, just after he arrived in the capital, Abuja, his family say.

He was tortured and shot in the leg by police in an attempt to force him to confess to armed robbery, he says.

A year later his parents say that they were told Mr Nwaokporo was dead and did not know he was still being held.

The Nigerian police have been the subject of several reports by international human rights organisations who say they are guilty of arbitrary imprisonment, summarily executing detainees and routine torture.

Vagrant

Mr Nwaokporo's parents say their son travelled from the south-eastern city of Onitsha to Abuja to find work in 2001.


They told me he was dead, and I thought there was nothing I could do, so I went home

Peter Nwaokporo, Ugochukwu's father

Speaking for the first time since his release, Mr Nwaokporo told the BBC News website that he had arrived in a remote area of the capital at night and decided to stay in the motor park where his bus had dropped him.

A group of police officers were rounding up vagrants and they arrested him.

While in police custody, he was blindfolded, beaten and led out on to a piece of waste ground where he believed the police would kill him, he says.

The officers shot him in the leg.

"They told me if I confessed they would take me to a hospital. But I did not."

He treated his own wound with medical supplies brought to him by church groups who visited the police station cells where he was held.

But the first time he cleaned the wound it was with his own urine, his lawyer told the court.

Sometimes I lost myself I was so afraid

Ugochukwu Nwaokporo

His leg is now withered and almost useless, the bullet has broken the bone and it has not healed properly.

His father, a civil servant from Ebonyi State, was told of his son's arrest by one of the church groups who visited the jail.

He came to Abuja regularly to beg for his son's release, but was brushed off every time.

Then in 2002 the family was told their son's name had been scrubbed off the list of inmates at the jail.

"They told me he was dead, and I thought there was nothing I could do, so I went home," Peter Nwaokporo told the BBC.

'The president'

Ugochukwu Nwaokporo says that he was held in a cell in an Abuja police station for the whole seven years of his detention.


Ugochukwu Nwaokporo was helped from court as his leg is now withered


He was known among police officers as "the president" of the jail because he had been there so long, and some of them tried to help him, he says.

But while there, he heard police summarily execute several armed robbery suspects.

"Sometimes I lost myself I was so afraid," he told the BBC.

In 2006, the police tried to bring charges of armed robbery against Mr Nwaokporo in the High Court.

The case was delayed several times in Nigeria's tortuously slow legal system until 2008.

It was picked up by Nigeria's Legal Aid Council who appointed Mr Nwaokporo a lawyer.

They didn't have anything on him, so they threw him back in jail perhaps hoping he would die

Lawyer Nnaemeka Ejiofor

"They have not brought him to court in seven years to enter a plea. They want to keep him in prison as long as they can," his lawyer Nnaemeka Ejiofor said.

"When they arrested him, they didn't have anything on him, so they put him back in jail thinking that perhaps he would die. But by the grace of God he did not."

Because of a misunderstanding, his family were not notified that their son was alive until last month.

Trial

He was bailed for $4,000 (£2,000) on Wednesday by a member of a church group helping his case.

He still faces trial on armed robbery, conspiracy and weapons charges.

But the robbery the police say he committed took place two months after Mr Nwaokporo says he was taken into custody.

"In Nigeria, if you do not have money, you cannot buy someone to maintain for you," his father said.

"The police should be protecting the citizens but they're victimising them."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7388599.stm

Well he was treated like any other person that don't make their mortgage payments on time. He only has himself to blame. He must have stopped communicating with the bank for them to foreclose. Move on rich man get somewhere else to leave.

lightest:

after carefully reading into this thread and the first one posted on this issue, i think i will agree with the poster above me because "charity" they said begins from home. if our own government does not value us as individuals , how will foreign government does. See lets forget about the issue of BA versus Mr Omotade, the issue should be what can we do as nigerians both home and abroad to make our "own" government treat us like gold and silver. Our government is a shit and will always be a shit and the foreign government will continue to treat us like shit until me and you wake up to make nigerian great.

If an average citizen like you believe our government will always be shit, how do you expect there to be a change. As for me I believe Nigeria will keep improving until we get to the promised land. I strongly believe in my Country. I have made it my priority to start talking positively about my country. Most people don't know the effect of negative suggestion, it can ruin a nation.

Nobody is saying Nigeria does not have problems but please lets do the little we can positively to change our nation cos no one else will.

Just change the topic to "GANI IS ALIVE". No one is above mistake.

Missing my wify, I can't wait to hold you in my arms. Love you babe

Wow, nice prices I need to do business with you soon. lol my money is almost complete

Interesting read. I feel you Big bumper

"Thought you might want to read this".


Court Orders British Airways To Pay N2m Compensation To Nigerian
. As Another Sues For Being Handcuffed On Board

By Ibe Uwaleke and Cornelius Onuoha

THIS is not the best of times for British Airways as its Nigerian passengers are fighting back either to recover their lost luggages or to enforce their fundamental human rights against maltreatment or negligence by the airline.

For instance, a Federal High Court, Lagos has ordered the airline to pay £9, 000 to a Nigerian passenger, Mr. Emeka Ngige (SAN), being value of the contents of his luggage lost in transit aboard the airways while returning to Lagos from London.

This garnishee order was made by Justice Ibrahim Auta while dismissing the application brought by British Airways asking the court to stay the execution of the court's earlier judgement made in June 26, 2007 by Justice Oyindamola Olomojobi directing the airline to pay �9,000 to Ngige as judgement sum for the value of the contents of his suitcase lost by officials of the airline.

By this order, the airline is ordered to go and respect the Nigerian laws by complying with the judgement of a Federal High Court of Nigeria, which has directed it to pay the judgement sum to the Nigerian passenger for negligence.

In another development, a Nigerian, Ayo Omotade suing along with the President of the Nigerian Bar Association (NBA) Mr. Olisa Agbokoba (SAN) and the association, has brought a suit against the airline to enforce his fundamental human right for being beaten, arrested, handcuffed and detained for several hours by the British Police aboard the airline.

His offence, according to his affidavit, was that he pleaded with the colonial police officers not to kill another Nigerian who was screaming in agony on board the aircraft because he was being deported.

The deportee, according to Omotade, was being tormented as his captors who were almost suffocating him to death in manacles chained him down.

His wailings, he further complained, attracted sympathy from him and other passengers prompting him to question the treatment being meted to the deportee.

Consequently he said, he was dragged from the aircraft by the officers and made to sit on the floor at the airport terminal after being handcuffed and slammed on the wall.

According to him, as stated in his affidavit, he was prevented from travelling with the aircraft, which he had already boarded to attend his brother's wedding.

No date has been fixed by the court to hear this matter.

In that same judgment made by Justice Olomojobi, she also ordered BA (British Airways) to pay the sum of N10, 000 to Ngige to offset the inconveniences he suffered and the cost of prosecuting the case against the airline.

The claimant (Ngige) in the suit filed in 1999 had contended that he on September 19, 1998 bought an air ticket from Lagos to London and back but on arrival back to Lagos from London on board the airline's flight No. BA2075, he could not find one of his three suitcases.

The issue of the missing suitcase, he further claimed was raised by him with the staff of the airline who promised him the luggage would arrive the following day as he was asked to fill a form in which he described the contents of the luggage to enable them track the luggage.

The suit, according to Ngige, was instituted when the airline refused to release the luggage to him and wilfully withheld the luggage and instead kept advising him to collect a compensation to which he will be paid $120 dollars instead of £9,000 pounds said to be the actual value of the items in his luggage.

In the suit, he said, he sought a court order directing BA to deliver the suitcase with its contents or in the alternative, pay the sum of £9,000 being the rough estimate of the value of the said suitcase and its contents and any other sum of money as may be determined by the court as being reasonable and fair value of the inconveniences suffered by him.

In his defence, British Airways called no witness but argued that it took all necessary steps to locate the plaintiff luggage but to no avail.


http://www.guardiannewsngr.com/news/article04//indexn2_html?pdate=030508&ptitle=Court%20Orders%20British%20Airways%20To%20Pay%20N2m%20Compensation%20To%20Nigerian

KOBOJUNKIE,

This discussion can go on and on and on. One thing I agree with is that none of us was there and we will support and stick to each of our beliefs. None of the sides will admit any wrong.

EloSela:

Oh pleeeeeeese,

How many times have people witnessed policemen beating up innocent individuals in Nigeria and have done nothing about it? Who came to aid of the teacher who was stripped naked, beaten and burnt to death by her own students? Please don't come in here exaggerating shit. We are all 'Nigerians' at the end of the day and so there is no need to fantasize!
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PLEASE BE DECENT. YOU DONT HAVE TO REACT AGRESSIVELY IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH PEOPLE

The incident that happenned before the offloading. Yes the people might have been unruly but it was all after they kicked Mr Omotade off the plane. You and I know that even if BA know they are at fault they will never admit it.

They might have done the right thing to kick 136 off the plane, my question is could they have handled the situation leading to the offloading better than they did? I honestly think they could have handled it better. Lets forget about the guy that was been deported for a minute. Mr Omotade words to the officers were "please don't kill him", should he have been kicked off?

To me this is not about race its about simple customer service. I have lived in UK for 15 years now and I can tell you that if you are being attacked in front of 100 people nobody will interfer just because they are scared and they mind their own business. One thing I miss about Naija is the fact that people will stand up for you on the street (lol apart from when guns are involved). I still believe some or all of the 136 passengers deserve an apology. What if you were on that flight minding your business and going for an important meeting the next day?

hmmmmn they regret but still no apology.

check this out from the best car critics in the UK. This car na plane.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/422697/bugatti_veyron_on_top_gear/

and

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/891310/top_gear_bugatti_veyron_drag_race/

Virgin Nigeria is owned by Nigeria.

51% owned by Nigeria and 49% owned by Virgin. Virgin is responsible for the day to day management of the airline, the Virgin brand is very successful, experienced and well recognised hence the huge percentage. Over time perhaps after their initial contract Virgin will sell more shares to Nigeria.

Therefore Nigerian national airline is VIRGIN NIGERIA.