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kingxsamz:
It's your inability to understand that atheism has no business with science, evolution and beastiality that I'm pointing out. And you never seem to get the point.

No connection with science? So what do atheists rely on for proof or reson for their disbelief in anything spiritual?

kingxsamz:
And what question is that?

This question

jasminer:
Answer this question with a yes or no otherwise you're worse than the extremists and fanatics yourself

You're the military chief of a country has been constantly attacked brutally by terrorists camping in a certain location. The terrorists kill anything alive that they see.

These terrorists formed the entire country. When it's time to attack, all the males old enough to fire a weapon come out for the attack. The women fetch water for them, cook etc if possible.

Will you strike back at the enemy if there's no way to avoid infant casualties?

If yes, why?
If no, why?

Note: Every man in that small country is part of the army and every man's wife is an assistant to the army especially during war.

Please teach us what a good person should do in this case, I "trust" your good judgement

Shame me by answering this question with a yes or no and why.

kingxsamz:
You may call the police. Why call the police on them, can't you just forgive them? After all, it was probably necessary for them to do what they did.
Anyways, talk is cheap. Dem go kill your pikin and you go dey talk forgiveness. And you're the same person claiming that you'd murder infants because of what they might do in the future. But you're okay with killers being free after they've killed. You and contradictions are 5&6.

I'll repeat myself not for your benefit but for the benefit of readers because you're obviously twisting my answers.

I said and I repeat:
As a military personnel in a warfront, I won't spare even a day old child who I perceive as a present or future threat.
As a civilian, I won't kill any human even if an angel from heaven tells me to do so.

Now telling me that someone killed my family, that's totally civilian. It'll hurt but I will forgive.
If I couldn't defend my child while it was still alive, I won't revenge when the child is dead.

You can't make such a decision without the Holy Ghost so don't try to comprehend it.
If you have proof that I said otherwise, kindly post it

kingxsamz:
Or you brought it up because you're clueless on what to say regarding the questions I asked, so you thought you could escape with some distraction.
Obviously not working.

Nothing to say, that's why you're wasting precious time on this topic

uche40:
I want to assume you weren't referring to me in this post but just in case you were, could you direct me to any statement I have made that has led you to draw this wild and preposterous conclusion?
cc: kingxsamz

uche40:
Always a pleasure.

I'd like to point out here that there's a difference between Gnostic Atheism and Agnostic Atheism. The position you describe here is held by Gnostic Atheists who posit that God or gods certainly do NOT exist. Agnostic Atheists on the other hand are not certain if God exists or not. They just don't believe because they've not come across any evidence for God. For the avoidance of doubt, I happen to fall into the latter camp.

You said here that one group are certain, the other group isn't certain

uche40:
Thanks for the affirmative response.

Now, I want you to elaborate on the prevailing war scenario that provoked God into perpetrating the mass extinction flooding event that led to the death of practically all living things in the world apart from the residents of Noah's Ark. One could argue that the word "genocide" doesn't even begin to come close to describing such a destructive act of gargantuan magnitudes.

To put things in their proper context, I've reposted my question above.

Genesis chapter 6 vs 5 - 8

5. And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

For the Bible to say that the wickedness of man was great, then it means that people did abominable things then.
A world where everyone was constantly thinking of evil things and carrying them out? Constantly trying to outdo each other's wickedness of the previous day?
If God didn't wipe out that world, do you think we'll even be talking about morality?

Such a world deserved to be wiped out by God.

uche40:
And God permitted the conception of war since nothing on this earth happens without his foreknowledge. He even takes the liberty to support a particular side in these wars.



This assumes that an omnipotent and omniscient deity who advocates peace, love, mercy and forgiveness, does not have the capacity to prevent conflict and fighting among neighboring countries. He also cannot think up other means to avert conflict and ensure peace and harmony between these countries, while still ensuring that his plan for man is fulfilled. You have not answered my question.

Please consider the implications of certain arguments before you make them.

In the meantime, I will take your refusal to provide an answer to my initial question about the day old infant as an admission that there exists no instance where a day old infant can actually pose a direct threat to your life.

Mathew 18 vs 18, Whatever you allow on earth will be allowed in heaven. Man started war, man reaped war. If God were to act on everything that doesn't please Him, would you as an atheist still be alive? Would there be any other religion apart from Christianity?

God has reserved one day when He will speak wether you asked Him to speak or not, that's called the day of judgement, until that day comes, you'll have to pray and fast for Him to speak to you or wait for your karma for whatever evil you commit.

In the bible days, a old child of an enemy you killed poses a future threat to you and your children.

uche40:
Well, Christianity isn't a game. It's a religion.

God could have said it. How are you going to know? Can you read the mind of God? Can you understand his thought process perfectly enough to understand his plans, will and objectives at a certain point in time? You can't be 100% sure if they were or weren't commanded by God. I always hear Christians say "God knows the best" whenever something disastrous happens to them. Note that God is omniscient and omnipotent, and so no activity or event happens on this earth without his foreknowledge.

Let me rephrase your question and throw it back at you: Do you think I'm obligated to believe anything you claim about your experience with God simply because you said it?

. Barely ten lines ago, you were affirming that God doesn't change his mind. Yet, he saw that man can't follow laws because we fell from grace (by sin), and decided to modify the law. Ignoring the fact that God clearly changed his mind here, why wasn't he aware that man wouldn't be able to follow his commandments in its pure, original form? I thought he was all-knowing. Lol.

Nevertheless, your claim here accidentally refutes the relevance of the Old Testament since you're suggesting that we couldn't follow those laws in the first place. Makes me wonder why the Old Testament was included in the Bible at all.

Well, he seemed to favor the Israelites over all other tribes and nations in the Bible, bringing down empires for the benefit of his "chosen people".

I've ignored the remaining paragraphs because I've already addressed the arguments you make in some of them above. And I also want to be careful not to make this rejoinder too lengthy.

It's Christianity that's in the question here and so it must be discussed according to the words of the Bible and only according to the words of the Bible, not what anyone says.
You can't discuss Christianity and it's doctrines from the standpoint of an atheist and if that's what we're doing... Let me come and be going because the Gospel of salvation to them that perish is foolishness but to them that believe, it's the power of God unto salvation.

Even when I read or reason with Muslims, I do so solely based on the tenets of the Qur'an or the Hadiths. Not based on what the founder of ISIS says because he claims to be a Muslim.

1. Christianity isn't a religion, it's a way of life. Christian means Christ like.

2. I can tell the mind of God because it's written in the Bible... He made known His ways to Moses, His acts to the children of Israel. Psalm 103 vs 7. So even if a million people come and say God said this, as long as it contradicts the Bible, they are all wrong. Simple and Short! And if you claim this is what Christianity is about, quote a scripture to back it up.

3. You're not obligated to believe what I told you about my relationship with God simply because I said it, but you're also obligated to not believe what someone else said about God because they said it. You're only obligated to believe what the Bible says about God. Anything outside that is double standards.

4. God didn't modify his law, his laws don't break, even Jesus confirmed that one jot can't pass from the law. Jesus fulfilled all that's required in the old testament and gave a compound or royal law which is love your neighbour as yourself and serve your God with all your strength, all your soul and all your heart. I'm willing to expantiate on this if you request it.
There's no law in the bible that says we can't inherit the righteousness of an ancestor. Just the same way all humanity inherited Adam and eve's fall from Grace, all Christians inherit the fulfilment of the law through Christ. Romans 5 vs 17, Matthew 5 vs 18.

5. The Old testament was included in the Bible as a reminder to us or for an example. 1Chorinthians 10 vs 11

6. Every father has a right to love an obedient child over a corrupt and disobedient one. Same way, God has a right to love Israel who attempts to live morally sound compared to other countries where canibalism, incest, sexual immorality and gross perversion was the order of the day.

kingxsamz:
You didn't ask for respect when I said he told men to keep Virgin girls for themselves, you didn't ask for respect when I said he ordered men to slaughter babies, you didn't ask for respect when I said he helped a man who promised him human sacrifice, na this one con dey offend you.
You said he's god na so he does whatever he pleases. You said morals are meant for him to decide. So how can you turn around to say he can never declare such? Are you him, are you in his mind, are you the one to make decisions for him?
Wasn't he the one condoning slavery and asking men to slaughter babies?
So why do you think he won't declare rape moral? Isn't slaughtering a baby more gruesome than rape?
You have to answer that question let's know where you stand.
And your swine question is not insulting. After all, it's just a question.
Since you said only this god can decide what's moral or not, then will you accept rape to be morally objective if he declares it okay?
That your opinion or choice must be respected does not mean it can't be questioned.
So you must answer.

Will your father rape you in the anus if he gets h*rny? Will your mother f*ck a snake or a monkey if I give her 200million dollars?
Will you permit my dog mount your daughter if I offer you 10million dollars?
I hope that's offensive.

To me, my God is more than my father of mother. This is my last response on this matter.

kingxsamz:
An atheist could believe in spiritual activities, that is very correct because atheism means the lack of belief in a god. So any atheist can believe in whatever as long as it's not the belief that a god exists. So atheism has nothing to do with defending beastiality, evolution or whatever you think you might bring up to score points.

And you're blaming me for not being able to comprehend.

You yourself agreed that other atheists believe different things but all are called atheists so rest

kingxsamz:
But you said I already answered na. And started accusing me of supporting it.
See confusion.

Person say genocide, infanticide and slavery no good but after two questions confusion hold the person, the person begin support genocide, infanticide and slavery. own goal.

If it sure for you, answer my question and shame me.... Otherwise you're being hypocritical

kingxsamz:
Comprehension is really something you lack tbh.
Nobody asked you if you'll defend your family.
Read again, 10 times and answer accordingly. I know it makes you uncomfortable but you can't avoid it.
If those men come back to kill off your remaining family members, you'll shine teeth instead of getting them arrested?
So if pesin kill all your family, you go dey pray for their safety, instead make you call police?
Government should probably release all terrorists, ritualists and kidnappers so we can pray for them to change. I mean, that's what you'd do, right?

Are you sure you're not describing yourself?

If they come back to kill me, I'll defend myself against them to any extent, I don't need to wait for police, if I have a gun, I'll aim for their coconut head.

If they don't die from my self defense, I may call the police and report them to the police. Then I'll forgive them and pray they find Christ in prison.
If the government releases them tomorrow, good for them. I'm not bothered.

Mind you, my father's killers aren't in prison.

You can't understand because a person filled with the spirit of God is an enigma, very difficult to understand. We're like the wind, you can't predict us.

kingxsamz:
It's weak on your side because I was highlighting the fact that Jesus predicting floods and famine has nothing to do with him being responsible for those disasters.
You brought it up as a defense to support sending cultists to torture your children.
So you got yourself confused, probably you didn't even understand the point you were trying to make.

I brought it up to give you more things to talk about

Since we agree that Jesus isn't the one causing the floods, the earthquakes and the famines, that's good. Nothing to argue again.

suicidesheep:
Getting married to prisoners of war is rape and slavery, did they have parents blessing.

Forced marriage is not rape and a wife is a wife. By merely choosing her for marriage, she's automatically an Israeli and Israelis can't enslave a fellow Israeli.
Back to the topic in question, according to Jewish traditions of those days, such a woman must be given one full month period to mourn her dead family And to prepare her mind for the marriage. And if he changes his mind about marrying her, she's to go free and not to be sold or exchanged for anything.

suicidesheep:
You’re just making statements, see as you clearly lie about the Canaan part. Do you even read your bible

Catch me red handed, prove me wrong

suicidesheep:
Don’t be offended, you sound really stupid if you think rain never fell before Adam. You can think of Adam’s curse that he has to till the ground to make, so your common sense didn’t tell you need rain for vegetation to grow. Abi na dew was make crops go. The way some of you look so pathetic when trying to twist the Bible to your narratives.

I know you’ll still try to defend that illogical notion

Mind your language, stop talking like you lack home training. What's eating you up?

It's in my Bible and any Bible you see, if you don't like it, go and tear it out

Oh and lest I forget, even the scientists agree that the pre flood atmosphere will have been far more different from anything we have now.

https://digitalcommons.cedarville.edu/icc_proceedings/vol2/iss1/48/#:~:text=The%20average%20ground%20temperature%20would,(Genesis%202%3A5).

https://www.icr.org/article/hyperbaric-research-and-the-pre-flood-atmosphere

Try to not have a heart attack

suicidesheep:
Let’s see, the canaanites were on their enjoying their land, did they provoke the Israelites before they were wiped out

The Amalekites killed thousands of Israelites including women and children unprovoked.

Tens of countries in Canaan came to fight and attack Israel unprovoked.

suicidesheep:
But he already declared rape normal when he told the Israelites to take the women of their enemies as wives, which means he also condoned slavery.

In those days, many women were married to men they didn't want because their parents said so. Is that rape? Is that slavery?

uche40:
I'm sorry but you seem to have gotten your logic backwards. Let me refresh your memory on how this discussion evolved. I could have included links but I don't want to trigger the anti-spam bot, so I'll just give a summary of our correspondence using bullet points.

• kingxsamz asked you if genocide, infanticide, incest, slavery and rape were wrong.

• You affirmed that these acts were wrong.

• I pointed out the fact that some of these acts seemed to be endorsed by God at certain moments in the Bible.

• You then re-affirmed that killing people is an offense, except this time you suggested that it wasn't morally wrong if it took place in the context of a war. In light of my previous response about some acts in Bible appearing to resemble genocide and infanticide, this statement implies the hidden assertion that if genocide and infanticide was truly committed by God in the Bible, then it must have happened by him being provoked in an instance of war.

I haven't made any positive claims that other scenarios exist where genocide and infanticide are endorsed by the Christian God. You are the one who implicitly restricted genocide and infanticide to war scenarios. That's why I need you to confirm -- for the sake of clarity: Are you positive that ALL instances of genocide and infanticide carried out by God in the Bible only occurred when God was provoked in an instance of war? A "Yes" or "No" will suffice.

You mean commanded by God. Yes

uche40:
You've veered off on an absurd tangent my dear. Recall that my question to you was "what possible threat could a day old infant pose to your life?" I haven't seen you demonstrate any such threats yet. When neighboring villages, towns or countries that are at conflict start attacks on each other, infants below 1 year old are most likely to become casualties of war and far from remotely being active participants in it, so your reference to war as an example of infants being a threat to your safety is skewed and misleading. Plus, I already told you that I agree with you on the ethics of killings in war being a messy subject where it's hard to establish which murders are morally permissible or not, so your perambulations here are largely unnecessary.

The first paragraph in this dizzying riposte in particular is quite amusing as well. Correct me if I'm wrong but your entire rejoinder seems to be making the argument that innocent children and parents should be spared the misery of being alive to deal with all sorts of pain, suffering and PTSD that results from devastating war incidents -- insisting that there isn't any other option for them. In your first paragraph, you brought up an example of a young boy who was apparently dealing with mental trauma from war-related crimes which led to him exhibiting anti-social behaviors. Curiously, you shot yourself in the foot in that same paragraph when you affirmed that he was eventually rehabilitated. This seems to deflate your argument that "mercy-killing" of these infants is the only option.

Meanwhile, since the issue of war seems to interest you so much that you bring it up every five seconds, I'd really like you to explain to me why an omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent deity relies on wars and petty violence to impose his will on mankind:

Humans started war, perfected the art of war not God.

A country committed genocide against another country, God ordered that the favour be returned exactly the same way. God didn't start it but he made sure that they reaped what they started.

You're welcome to prove otherwise.

Apart from being repaid the same thing they did to another, who could have taken care of the children? And what guarantee to dou have that those children won't grow up to seek revenge after learning how their parents died?

My veering off if to illustrate for clarity sake. I told the story of the boy to show how mentally scared children unfortunate enough to be in such situations are and how difficult it is to rehabilitate them successfully. My point is that it's that difficult to rehabilitate one child, how much more a thousand children like that or even ten thousand like that.

uche40:
I've read the full chapter in its entirety and the only thing I can infer from this passage you've cited is that up until the creation of Adam -- which I think is the main focus of Genesis 2 -- rain had not yet fallen. The passage seems to be describing the status quo PRIOR to Adam's creation. It says nothing about the atmospheric conditions existing between Adam's creation and the Flood of Genesis. So I think it's a bit of a stretch to extend this phenomenon to the period where Noah built his ark.

However, the part (which I emboldened) about mist going up from the earth strangely resembles the Water Cycle phenomenon.

The water cycle describes how water evaporates from the surface of the earth, rises into the atmosphere, cools and condenses into rain or snow in clouds, and falls again to the surface as precipitation. The water falling on land collects in rivers and lakes, soil, and porous layers of rock, and much of it flows back into the oceans, where it will once more evaporate. The cycling of water in and out of the atmosphere is a significant aspect of the weather patterns on Earth.
https://gpm.nasa.gov/education/water-cycle

That's a bit weird, but then again it's just speculation.

The tilling of the ground by Adam doesn't trigger rain does it?
The mist being described in Genesis is what we now call dew. Then there was no continents or seas and oceans, there was land and there was water on one side. There were no seasons either, no rainy or dry season or winter. There was sun everyday, there was dew everyday.

Rain which later resulted in hurricane, tornadoes etc all came as a result of man's sin and God's anger but since it has been created, it will continue till the end of the world.

That's partly why nobody believed Noah's story about so much water coming down from the sky until the whole world is flooded. Can you imagine it? Someone who has never seen rain in about 1600years of the Adamic world being told that so much dew will fall that the whole world will be like a sea But once the rain started, they immediately realized that it was possible but by then it was too late because God had shut the door of the ark and even Noah couldn't let them in.

uche40:
I see. So you consider to be good, any act that God tells you is good? That's interesting.

Given that you are Christian -- at least, in the traditional sense -- you already believe that God exists. And his existence is not just in the writings of the scriptures. He exists and will continue to exist for eternity. So it stands to reason that God keeps issuing commands and instructions to his people. If God insists that you kill your parents tomorrow, you'd have to do it. And don't tell me "God can't ask me to do such a thing" because you have no existing independent moral basis to assess and/or decide what God can or can not command you to do. You really have no right to condemn anybody on anything. If someone you've never met before raped your sister tomorrow, how can you tell for a fact that it wasn't God who commanded that rapist? You have lost ALL rights to make moral judgements. Your morality rests solely on whatever God desires. All things are permitted including sleeping with animals, killing of babies, stealing money from people etc. It all depends on God's plan, his will and his objectives at that point in time.

Let me also add that I found it a bit comical how you presented "blind trust" as a virtue or something that seemingly gives you an advantage over the atheists. I know you are one of those Christians who think they're close to God and have a special relationship with him. You talk to him and he responds to you, right? Here are some examples below of individuals who "trusted God blindly". Please note that you have stripped yourself of every moral right to condemn them or claim that they did not receive commandments from God.

May 2008 in Wisconsin...God told me if i prayed hard enough she would come back to life...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354849,00.html

August 1993 in Texas, 20 naked people emerge from a car that struck a tree
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-961214.html

San Antoni, TX...God tells man to ram another vehicle at 100mph
http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/428252-god-told-man-to-ram-vehicle-at-100mph

March 2004, Texas...God told me to kill my 3 sons...
http://articles.cnn.com/2004-03-29/justice/children.slain_1_deanna-laney-insanity-defense-luke-laney?_s=PM:LAW

There's many more where that came from but anyhoo, that's by the way. I think we've ignored the elephant in the room for long enough now. It's time we finally addressed it. Your assertion that God is the originator of morals contains an unsupported claim: GOD EXISTS. Please support this claim with objective and empirical evidence. Give it your best shot. Don't be scared.

If Christianity is a game, there are rules to the game.
The fact that someone said God said this, does it automatically mean God said it?
1. Rules of Christianity include the facts that God is righteous and an upholder of righteousness
2. We should love our neighbours like we love ourselves and only do to our neighbours what we would like someone else to do to us
3. God's word never breaks. As a Christian I believe that we have day and night because God has commanded it, before day and night seize maybe there'll have to be an apocalypse. God said that there'll be floods but He also said that water will never destroy the world again. If His word fails, He seizes to be God. That's what He said. And that's what I am holding on to. In my not so many years, I can testify that His word has Never failed me.
4. God declared that what a man sows he'll reap. There's no changing or escaping it.
5. We have the new testament because Jesus lived and died fulfilling the Old testament so anyone who believes in Jesus automatically has fulfilled the Old testament. This is because God saw that man can't follow laws because of our fall from grace. The only law in the new testament now is Love and if you fail this commandment, no heaven for you.
6. God is not partial, God is a father and creator to all humanity which is why His rain falls on me the Christian, you the atheist and even the religious fanatics.

The Bible has warned everyone that we must not believe every spirit but first test them if they are of God because there'll be many impersonators after Christ leaves the earth.

Any spirit that agrees that Jesus was born of a virgin, lived on earth, died, resurrected and is right now ruling in heaven, and confirms that this Jesus is his master is the spirit you should obey.

No demon can make this statement without being destroyed. If a demon makes this statement and nothing happens then God isn't God.
I have used this test on a demon before and it vanished, it knew I had caught it red handed.

So I can't just obey anyone parading as an angel of light when the bible says that demons will perform great miracles and even call down fire from heaven. But still they were sent by the antichrist. So my dear, christianity can't be held liable for the carelessness of some individuals.

God never commanded those things, He never will.

kingxsamz:
In all of this, you still avoided one question she asked you.
If the Christian god should declare that rape is okay tomorrow, will that make it right?
You're good at burying certain things in between words and stories. But that can't work for me sha. You must answer that question.

Answer the question and stop running.

You are asking me an impossible question. Tomorrow if the devil becomes a saint, will I be friends with him?
The devil can never become a saint same way God can never do a thing like declare rape as moral, instead of that to happen, heaven and earth will pass away.

You're an atheist right? If you fall in love with a swine tomorrow, will you marry it and have s*x with it? Am I not insulting you with this question?

Even suggesting that my God can do that is an insult to me and my religion. If we will keep having this discussion you must respect my beliefs and opinions.

It's not by force for you to become theist, but you have to respect me and my choice

kingxsamz:
Atheism is the lack of belief in a god/gods.
Any other thing is pointless. It has nothing to do with evolution, planets or anything that has to do with science.
The earlier you know this, the better.

Oga, you saw another atheist say that she believes there could be spiritual activities and the likes. What's your own inside it now?

kingxsamz:
Show me where I answered you na, madam.
Show me.

That's what I'm saying ... You haven't answered my only question... Why you dey fear?

Answer na

kingxsamz:
Story story, story.
Is genocide, infanticide and slavery wrong?


End of story.
No need to struggle. You don already enter trap.

My partner in crime, Answer your own question

kingxsamz:
And if those men come back to kill off your remaining family members, you'll shine teeth instead of getting them arrested?
So if pesin kill all your family, you go dey pray for their safety, instead make you call police?
Ah, omo. Government should probably release all terrorists, ritualists and kidnappers so we can pray for them to change. I mean, that's what you'd do, right?

Lol, I'll defend myself and my family if anyone threatens my life, after defending me and them, I'll forgive and pray for their salvation

kingxsamz:
You're not even making any sense. Did you read what you even typed?
Abandon what ship? I don't even understand your point.

You claimed is Jesus wasn't the one causing the floods, why should he make a prophecy about it.

So I gave examples of other people who forecast what they didn't cause and I adviced you that this argument is weak, focus on the other stronger arguments

uche40:
From the content of your posts on this thread, it's clear to me that you consider the Christian God to be the source or arbiter of moral values. Ignoring the fact that morality is easily explained by evolutionary psychology, let us assume you are correct for the sake of argument. Unfortunately, by assuming that anything God orders is good or right, you have unwittingly admitted that God's morality cannot be objective and/or universal.

Euthyphro's Dilemma encapsulates this problem perfectly and it has yet to be answered satisfactorily: Is an act right because God says it's so, or does God say it's so because it's right? If it is right just because God says so, then morality is subject to his whim and has no real grounding except "might makes right". In other words, if tomorrow he declares that rape is good, does it actually become moral in any objective sense. On the other hand, if God commands it because it is right, then he is just a "middle man" and does not determine what is moral.

I am a Christian and will answer this question as a Christian.

It's right because God said it's right. He's wiser and knows more than me so I can never understand all the factors he considered before arriving at His conclusion. But if I'm confused, I'll pray and He'll help me to understand why He made that decision.

That's the difference between a theist and an atheist. Where there's confusion between logic and trusting God blindly, the Theist trusts God blindly while the atheist waits for logical convincing logic.

I've suffered terrible things, but today, I'm grateful to God for everything I suffered. Each blow taught me lessons my parents didn't teach me because they loved and sheltered me too much. Initially it was a cross but now it's a crown. This is after 20+yrs. I achieved something very big months ago something I first attempted about 12yrs ago and while discussing with my sister, she asked me if I was sad about the delay and sad experiences, I told her that if I had the power to go back in time, I'll willingly face each problem again. Some problems stripped me of fake friends, some problems made long time secret enemies reveal themselves, some taught me bluntness of life and the human nature, some taught me practical business, some taught me marketing, some taught me forgiveness and patience and it's made me who I am today which I am grateful for. For example, someone tried to marry me but the plan was to kill me after our wedding because of what I was pursuing, only after it supposedly fail did the person mock my failure and tell me that that was what attracted them to me. Lol. I later found out that the person knows people that can make a senator disappear . Let me stop here for privacy reasons.
So why won't I trust Him blindly at my next crossroad?

Back to your question, God is the originator of morals, through the ancient times, the moral people were always those who served and obeyed his word. Before He began to speak to man, who would have taught man right from wrong? Nobody.
Go through the bible, God taught men to wash their clothes, wash their bodies, shave their hair or oil their hair, to not eat blood, to dig the ground before they defecate and cover it up, he taught men to cook food, to be kind to their animals, to be kind to strangers, to respect elders, to give to the poor and to Him, to be moderate in everything. He taught the laws for people who commit a crime and what to do for someone who mistakenly committed a crime. He even introduced the first polygraph test (the Urim Thurim) and what to do when the Urim Thurim is not there.

Everything you call humanity or morals has been written in the bible thousands of years ago.

Let me shock you a bit, ancient Britain was a pile of dirt, they didn't bathe or have sewage systems, the Europeans were appalled at the stench from the British when they first arrived Britain , Britain was pagan then. The missionaries then began to teach them Christianity, Islam etc and hygiene.

kingxsamz:
Even if you're told ten times, you'll never understand.
Atheism is the lack of belief in a god and it has nothing to do with evolution. Not every atheist agrees with it, believes it or understands it.
There are theists who believe in evolution also.
What ever anyone says that isn't "no, I don't believe in a god" has nothing to do with atheism.

Even the person I quoted admitted that there are several forms of atheism like the Gnostic and the agnostic.

Which type of atheist are you sef

kingxsamz:
If you like lie about what I never said, the fact will always stare at you in the face.


Madam explain why genocide, infanticide and slavery now became good since you said they're wrong.
Or you just say anything that comes to your mind without much thought? You don enter trap today.

If you didn't say that, what was your answer to my question?

kingxsamz:
You didn't say anything abeg.
You said they're wrong. Point blank.

There's no escaping this.
You must explain why you contradicted yourself.

Unprovoked killing is wrong.
Self defense is not wrong

You went from asking me a general question to talking about what happened during war