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Harrynight:
That was the Mosaic Law to the ancient Israelites,

Christians are no longer under the Mosaic law we are under the law of Christ, his coming and death changes certain laws and abolished many.
Tithing has been scrapped, only true Christians and genuine student of the Bible knows this,
Majority of the so called men of God won't tell their members this truth cos of what they stand to lose.

Please show me where exactly tithing was scrapped because Christ said that the new testament is the fulfilment of the law and one jot can't fail from the law

It's was first a token of appreciation to God by Abraham via Melchizedek after the slaughter of kings
Gen 14 vs 18-20

Next, Jacob promised to pay tithes as a convenant between him and God on his way to Pandanaran when he was fleeing from his twin Esau. Gen 28 vs 20 to 22

I believe the Israelites began to tithe as a homage to the convenant of their father Jacob before it became a law under Moses.

Even the levitical law of tithing has three types:
1. The Levitical, or sacred tithe (Num. 18: 21, 24).
2. The tithe of the feasts (Deut. 14:22-27).
3. The tithe for the poor (Deut. 14:28, 29).

However, the only tithe still commonly practiced is the first tithe and it's paid in cash mainly because farming isn't the major occupation anymore and the church doesn't even have the capacity to store products of various types.

In summary: tithes is a convenant for wealth and increase as indicated in Malachi 3 vs 10 to 12.

Happy Sunday

kingxsamz:
Same way you painted Scenarios that has nothing to do with my life or anyone I know. Did I tell you my mother and father sleep with animals?
You should be ashamed. Thanks for your time and don't quote me again. You already lost, and I won't be reading or responding to any more of your quotes. Have a good day.

Same way you painted insulting and degrading scenarios about someone who means more to me than a father and mother.

Plenty stories because I asked for a Bible quote

kingxsamz:
Contradict what?
The "ifs" you asked, did it have anything to do with me?
Am I a military chief? Do I engage in beastiality? Does my family have sex with animals for money? Yet you asked all these and I answered.
Carry your L.
If you can't answer my question hide your head in shame because you know how badly I'll embarrass you if you do answer.
Don't bother yourself anymore, you hear? Have a good day.

Exactly, it wasn't a Bible question I asked. It was a question about you and what decision you'll take in a war.

Now you're asking me about God, and painting a scenario outside the Bible.

kingxsamz:
Person wey dey find 100 pages don dey run because of simple question.

You think I don't have a life outside nairaland? If you know my schedule, you'll be surprised that I have the time to reply you.

Quote the Bible verse to support your "Bible Question". That can't be too hard na, or can it?

kingxsamz:
Don't stress it abeg. You've asked multiple ifs and gotten answers which didn't lead you anywhere. Not once did I fail to answer any of your questions. Small "if" wey I ask you you don handicap. Abeg take your massive L and go. No need to continue this argument anymore goodnight.

And the ifs I asked, do they contradict the bible in anyway?

Simply quote your reference from the Bible, you're twerking up and down

Onigbese, come and carry your capital L, I'm not interested

Quote the Bible to backup your question, how hard is that?

kingxsamz:
Answer my question abeg, scaredy cat.
I dey ask you something you dey ask me another thing trying too hard to divert.
You've lost the argument sef.
Only you for this thread dey run from question. You failed woefully. Shame.
The question left you confused and helpless.
Next time you'll think twice about your beliefs before arguing. I wish na physical debate sef, make I see how you wan take hide.

Don't ask me what ifs. Ask me questions from the Bible...
I know you're out of argument points.
Me too. The Hiroshima bomb I dropped be like lighter
It's funny ooo, a whole bible of 66 chapters, you don't have any verse to show the error in Christianity How's that even possible

kingxsamz:
Yes but I'm never going to be a military chief but you still assumed. slavery is also a sin in Christianity now but it was condoned.
So, answer my question.
If you're scared just say so.

Did God order anyone to enslave people?
Did God order anyone to rape anyone?
He never has, he never will.

Ask a question in the bible with bible verses to back it up.
Come on, you can do it, I trust you... Search the Bible

kingxsamz:
It's just a simple question na.
I'm not going to become a military chief, I'm not interested in that field, I know nothing about it and I have no business with the military but you went ahead to assume me as one who has the decision to murder children during an attack.
If the Christian god can condone slavery, request genocide and infanticide (which are sins now), then he can still make changes.
Answer my question and stop running.
Shame go dey hold you by now.
Abi you dey fear 100 pages?

And which are still being carried out now by soldiers who still make heaven.
Point out a scenario that doesn't contradict the bible with bible verses as backup.

Until changes has been made to the Bible and rape justified, your question is mission impossiblito

kingxsamz:

But I'm not making any claim here na.
Shebi we're free to make up scenarios to ask questions?
You've created several scenarios (which I quoted up there) and I've answered accordingly.
You said only your god decides what is wrong or right.
So I'm asking you, if he decides tomorrow that rape is okay /right, will you agree that rape is morally right/objective?
Please note the word "IF . It's a scenario, not a real one. Shame me and answer accordingly. fear fear.

Unfortunately, the Bible has been written and will never be rewritten till the end of the world and if an angel from heaven or a voice from heaven says that rape is right contrary to the Bible, that angel or voice will be casted into the lake of fire.

So no need to talk about the impossible. Talk about scenarios that don't contradict the word of God in the Bible.

kingxsamz:
Lol, you must really be in an uncomfortable place to be avoiding this question, and I'm loving it.
You said everything considered "right" is right because your god says it is.

So why are you dodging a simple question regarding your statement?

You said it's insulting. Should we talk about "insulting" questions you've asked?
(1)

This was you asking me why I'm not in support of beastiality since all humans are animals.
Did I complain? No. Did I answer your question? Yes.

(2)

This was you being provoked, and decided to ask these to prove a point. Did I complain? No. Did I answer. Yes.

(3)
This was you asking me if I'll kill children during an attack if I was a military chief(which I'm not). Did I complain? No. Did I answer? Yes.

In all of this, you've shown us you're a full blown hypocrite. It's fine when you create scenarios and say all sorts of things but when I do it, you say it's insulting because the question dey pepper your body.

You must answer that question madam. If not,
Shame on you because you know I have you in a very tight corner.

You wish, oga provide references to support your claim. I've answered your question.

There's no rape commanded in the Bible. Prove me wrong by quoting a Bible verse. How hard is that to do?

kingxsamz:
If you want to keep the thread alive, answer my question. Or are you scared that your answer will burst your bubble?
Are you scared of what I'm going to say next?
Just answer, let me reveal to you that you're either a rape apologist or a confused Christian.
The question will always be here waiting for you. And nothing else will be addressed until you answer. Scaredy cat.

https://www.nairaland.com/7398522/experience-atheist-dating-world/27#118039330

Repeatedly asking me an insulting question won't change anything.

There's nowhere God asked anyone to rape.

Marrying a victim of war of her own free will is not rape. Every victim of war has a say in her marriage

Rape is sex without consent nowhere did God permit that.

If you think I'm wrong, I dare you to provide scriptures proving otherwise.

Meanwhile the thread has hit 32,000 views.
Kingzsamz uche40 suicidesheep namido yourfavevangeli

I'm dedicating a toast to us all, we did it, we hit a milestone.
Let's keep the thead alive, keep reading the Bible to find out more topics that needs to be trashed thoroughly
And not be disrespectful while addressing one another

YourFavEvangeli:
Wow, such an interesting topic

jasminer I'm really impressed with your consistence and your Bible understanding. Some questions be like trap but you answered well. I sense you are a pastor or an evangelist. Still, I'm highly impressed. Tiri gbosa for you

Let me just add this on the issue of the murder of the children of the Amalekites.
I agree with you that the children could have grown up to be a threat but I don't think that was the main reason why they had to be killed.

The Mosaic law stated an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. The parents of the newborn Amalekites ripped out unborn children from the womb and smashed them on the wall hence, their own children deserved to be ripped out from the womb and smashed on the wall as well.

An eye for an eye, a child for a child. Simple and short.

Obulu sir (Thank you sir)

I was actually going to come to this angle later, I just wanted to finish with one perspective first then bring this one in later

This thread must reach 100 pages

And they must read the bible as well

kingxsamz:
I asked you if it would be okay if people from other tribes should kill every child from your tribe and in your family for the crimes carried out by other individuals from your tribe. That's the question. Answer accordingly.

He has already answered your question with an instance where his own grand father and his grandfather's cousins died because of what his great grand father or great great grand father did.

He didn't say a village for a child. He said a child for a child. So asking if he should be killed for the action of another individual doesn't tally with his answer.

Your question should have been: would you be happy if someone killed you because your father killed someone because that's the instance he portrayed. The Amalekites all partook in the killing of the Israelites. There is something called gang rape, gang killing etc so all the males and even their wives actively partook in the killing of the Israelites's children.

It's not like one Amalekite killed one child and ran away and the Israelites came and killed a whole city or country. No, an entire city killed children and people from another city and the same happened to them.

I hope you understand clearly now?

uche40:
If I'm being honest, I've lost respect for you -- as well as interest in this discussion -- the moment I realized you were trying to insult my intelligence by 1) committing a Strawman Fallacy by reading into my statements to conjure up an absurd conclusion that I believe in spirits, 2) trying to convince me that a day old infant can realistically pose a threat to your safety () and 3) thinking you could deceive me into thinking that war -- which is amply defined as armed conflicts between two different countries -- was the reason God caused the global flood. It seems to me like you are arguing in bad faith and I couldn't care less about this discussion at the moment. This doesn't feel like a conversation to me. It feels like someone trying to win an argument by any means necessary, no matter how underhanded or dishonest they can get. This discussion is played out and has become tiresome for now.

I'll be extremely busy for the next couple of days, so I won't be having the time or patience to type out long, detailed responses. If I do respond, my ripostes will be much shorter going forward. However, I WILL keep tabs on this thread though, to monitor further discussions, and might make time to revisit this particular post thoroughly in the future, which is why I've quoted it as a reminder.

In the meantime, please get a primer on the Philosophy of Religion. Thanks.

Sorry for misunderstanding your view of atheism.

That being said, I'm happy you read the bible even if it was to get scriptures to argue with me

I look forward to your comment on my proof of God's existence. Whenever you're free to comment on it of course.

Bonne chance with whatever you're off to do.

suicidesheep:
Read to understand bruh, there’s nothing like Holy Ghost, it’s called being logical and reasonable

There is Holy Ghost, I'm a witness of His existence there's also logic too

uche40:
Sorry dear but you don't get to dictate the rules and policies of our conversation. We're not in a church auditorium where circlejerking and regurgitation of religious platitudes is the norm.

So your insistence that Christianity CAN and MUST only be discussed in the context of Biblical understanding is disingenuous, or naive at best. The reality here -- which I can parse from your telling reluctance to view your beliefs from an objective and unbiased lens -- is that you afraid of having your beliefs called out to be baseless and unjustified. You can keep claiming otherwise till your face turns blue. You can keep finding solace in the written words of the Holy fictional novel of your choice, but I know deep down, THAT is your biggest fear.

However, let me start by addressing your claim that Christianity is not a religion.

please answer "True" or "False" to the following statements:

1) You believe in a supernatural being, or at least, a supernatural realm.

2) Your belief system distinguishes between sacredness and profanity.

3) There are ritual acts focused on sacredness in your belief (Holy Communion, Baptism, The Eucharist etc.).

4) Your belief system has a moral code.

5) Your belief system affirms experiences of spiritual and supernatural "feelings".

6) Your belief system includes prayer as one of its' central activities.

7) Your belief system has a worldview as a whole and the place of the individual therein.

Your belief system has a disciplined lifestyle based on the worldview of what your Holy text teaches.

9) Your belief system encourages "group gatherings" bound together by all of the above.

If you answered "True" to, at least, 6 out of the 9 statements listed up there, then my sister, your belief system IS A RELIGION. You can pull up scriptures from morning till night arguing otherwise, but you cannot reasonably deny that at the very least, your belief system has an overwhelming number of religious aspects attached to it.



Actually, you're dead wrong.

You can NOT fully comprehend or understand the mind of God. You can have a PERSONAL knowledge of God, based on your SUBJECTIVE interpretation of scriptures -- which is what you meant here. People interprete scriptures differently, and that's why you have multiple denominations within Christianity, with slight variations of the Christian doctrine across these denominations. That's why you have people arguing over tithes. That's why you have people arguing over the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. It is precisely because you can NOT have a COMPLETE KNOWLEDGE of God's nature, his mind, his plans, his will and his objectives.

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
- Isaiah 55:8-9

Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways! "For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who has been his counselor?"
- Romans 11:33-34

Behold, these are but the outskirts of his ways, and how small a whisper do we hear of him! But the thunder of his power who can understand?
- Job 26:14

God is described as infinite. Humans are supposedly finite and have limited capacity to fully understand every aspect of his being.

The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law.
- Deuteronomy 29:29

Since you just came back from the moon, I'll clue you in: God himself routinely bypasses and/or outrightly contradicts his own commandments numerous times in the Old Testament just to favor his own people and punish the "sinners" and "evil doers". For instance, he commands not to kill, but he orders and orchestrates the killings and destruction of countless individuals and cities in the Old Testament. King David committed many acts of murder in the Old Testament. Samson did the same. They were instruments of God. Today they are considered to be heroes of the Bible. So your criteria is feeble and irrelevant.

Request granted. I'll quote four.

We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your faith; if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully
- Romans 12:6-8

But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you
- John 14:26

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams
- Acts 2:17

Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly. But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins.
- Matthew 1:19-21

Christianity asserts that God desires to have a personal relationship with humans, and therefore he can speak to people through multiple means which include through dreams, thoughts, visions, the Holy Spirit, and even through other people. Reading the Bible is just one out of many means and it can be argued that it is often subject to misinterpretation.


This assumes that God can't speak to people through other means besides the Bible. Thankfully, we've already addressed this faulty assumption.

If I'm being honest, I'm getting tired of this roundabout argument where you use bland sophistry and hermeneutics to protect your position. I'll cut to the chase here. I brought this up previously but you swiftly avoided it. Well, I've entertained your game of musical chairs long enough.

Your claim that God is the source or arbiter of moral values contains an unsupported assertion: GOD EXISTS. Please provide empirical evidence supporting this assertion.

1. You don't want to judge Christianity by its own book of law, but you want to judge Christianity based on some philosophical trash written by only God knows who Double standards... I'll pass.

2. If we would continue having this discussion, I won't tolerate you calling my Holy Bible a fictional book, it's worse than you insulting my parents. I haven't insulted you at all in anyway... If you cannot do this, let this conversation end because I can't understand where the bile is coming from over something you claim doesn't exist

3. If I say my name is Timtim and Timtim means Gold, how can you argue with me because Timtim in your dictionary means beating?
I'm a Christian, and Christianity means Christ like. Religion is a system, I do not conform to nor belong to any christian system. My daily goal is to be more Christ like not to be more system like. That's all.

4. God is described as infinite. Humans are supposedly finite and have limited capacity to fully understand every aspect of his being.
I love your response on knowing the mind of God, most especially this emboldened part.
You agree man is limited and God is limitless, so how can man know everything in a limitless mind via man's limited mind?
Do you want to teach a day old child algebra or quadratic equation?
Will you teach a primary student quantum physics? You'll learn what you're capable of understanding. Even if God told you everything, you won't understand because man is limited but God is limitless.
All man needs to know about God is in the Bible and God sticks to what is written when dealing with man.

So once again, I know the mind of God, his mind is in the Bible.

5. I also love the verses you quoted to show various ways God speaks to man. They all agree with Numbers 12 vs 6-8:
6. And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
7. My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
8. With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?

Irrespective of whatever means God or God's angel speaks to you, one thing is certain, the message they give to you or the dreams or the visions cannot contradict the word of God in the Bible. If it's confusing or not clear and seems like it's contradicting the Bible, don't be in a haste to believe, first test the spirit to be sure they are of God. If the spirit is of God, pray for clarity and you'll get it.

6. Morals apart, the existence of this earth and everything in it is evidence that God exists.
Let's assume Big bang theory is true as thats pretty much the only scientific explanation of Earth's existence.

Big bang is the explosion of an immense energy and heat that gave birth to everything on earth and in space. What created the immense energy and heat before the beginning began? Some say Dark energy, some say Quantum uncertainty etc but there's a general consensus that something caused big bang and big bang caused everything else but logically thinking, it's impossible to have an infinite regress of cause and effects.

In simpler terms, it's impossible for something that caused what caused something to cause something to cause something that caused big bang to be the true SOURCE of all causes and effects because something must have caused the first something in the first place before that something existed.

Matter cannot be created nor destroyed same with energy, it can only be converted from one form to another so what was the first matter or energy that caused the dark energy to cause immense heat (up to 1trillion celcius degrees) to cause the explosion in the first place.

Before big bang, there was nothing, where did dark energy come from? Why hasn't another bang occured?

The only answer is that there MUST have been an UNCAUSED CAUSE which preceded every other thing. This UNCAUSED CAUSE is the true SOURCE of all form of matter, life and energy.

This source is who I refer to as God and everything that exists is proof that he caused everything to exist.

kingxsamz:
If my provisions fail, I'll simply step down abeg. There'll always be somebody to replace me.
Your question no hot reach as you take reason am.
If any child died during whatever it is US soldiers did, that's on them. E concern them. I no send them message.

Now shame me and answer my question on the rape issue.

Whoever replaces you, will strike the enemy not minding the casualties because that's what has to be done.
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On the rape issue, the worst name you can give the men taking the women as wives is forced marriage but it's still not even forced.

By the then Jewish traditions, any woman chosen by any man in such a scenario is automatically betrothed to that man and hence she's an Israeli already.

After she has been chosen or betrothed, she's allowed one full month fully cared and provided for in his house to mourn for her dead family and to prepare her mind for the marriage. She's not to be dressed or addressed as a slave or captive because Israelites can't enslave Israelites.

If after one month, the marriage doesn't or can't hold for whatever reason, the man must let her go free, she's not to be sold or exchanged for anything.

95%+ of women in this position usually marry the man mostly because they have no family elsewhere and no means of livelihood once they leave not necessarily because they love him.

Anyway, as long as she participated in the wedding, she's married.

uche40:
This response is a complete non-sequitur and has nothing to do with the post you replied to. Please sit back and read it again carefully. I've reposted it below. I'm sensing that you have difficulties following logical propositions. Your entire arguments on this thread seem to rely an awful lot on special pleading, begging the question and red herrings.

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Thought terminating cliché.

Maybe. But guess what? By then, he'd be an ADULT, and not a DAY OLD INFANT.

I'm happy my responses sound like pleading cus your answers are too agressive and outrightly insulting over my own beliefs simply because it doesn't go down well with you.

God has the power to avert anything but HE WONT DO IT IF:
1. YOU DON'T PRAY FOR HIS INTERVENTION
2. IT DOESN'T CONFLICT HIS WORD


A day old threat or an adult threat, a threat is a threat and if it's in war, it should be eliminated.

uche40:
This is a Red Herring Fallacy -- and if I might add -- a very careless bait and switch you tried to pull off thinking I wouldn't catch on quick. I guess it was only a matter of time before you decided to take this route of blatant dishonesty. Madam, let me refresh your memory:





Following which I asked you to describe the prevailing war scenario which compelled God to wipe out more than half of the living organisms on the planet, and then you went on a ridiculous tangent, talking about the evil sins people committed. How does any of that describe a war scenario?

This recent action of yours leads me to question your true motive for discussing here. It's becoming quite clear to me that you're arguing only because you want to win an argument, not because you want to arrive at, or establish any facts. You are clouded by your Christian bias and will make any arguments to justify your position even if it involves wilful distortion of facts or cheating yourself out of a tough position by switching the argument. You haven't answered my question and you know it.

You mean commanded by God... Yes
All cases where God commanded people to kill were in a time of war.

The scenario of the flood was carried out by God himself not by man. And he did it after they refused to listen to His warnings just like he did in Sodom, Gomorrah and the surrounding cities. Just like he wiped out the giant tribes of Emims, Anakims, Horims, Zamzummins, Caphtorims, Avims etc who initially occupied Canaan.

Noah preached to the occupants of the pre flood world for 100years but not one person listened to Him, that's enough condemnation for them.

Destruction by God can't be called genocide, it's simply the owner of life taking back the life He gave because they crossed His word and refused to repent after He sent warnings. If Nineveh hadn't repented when God sent Jonah to warn them, it'll have been destroyed as well.

The dinosaurs, tryannosaurus, dragons etc that went extinct nkor, will you blame God for that as well because I can tell you for a fact that God wiped them out of existence because they were all products of man's perversion in the early days. Do you wish dinosaurs still exist today? Aren't you grateful for the giant asteroid that "coincidentally" wiped them all out?

kingxsamz:
Even the case of Isreal dismisses your "God is not partial talk".

Prove it

kingxsamz:
I will make more provisions to ensure my citizens are safe from any more attacks. I will improve security while planning my strategy to eliminate the enemies. After all, if you kill them, more will still come. You think the US don't have people constantly trying to bomb them? Would it be fair for them to nuke the whole of Afghanistan just because of some terrorist groups? Is that what you would do?
Even with the many war crimes US soldiers have committed, has terrorism stopped? So. Would nuking those countries be the solution?

Improve security and tactics. Everything does not have to end with bombing a whole nation.
If every of my effort fails, yes I'll step down. I won't even find my self in that position in the first place.
Your question is not as tricky as you think it is.
Now answer mine.

If your provisions fail to prevent further attacks nkor?
So no child has died in US targeted operations before?

Which question have I not answered?

suicidesheep:
You say you can’t make such decision without the Holy Ghost. lol it’s called logical thinking.

Lol, surprised you agree on this one

kingxsamz:
It's not about giving preferential treatment.
For a god that is expected to love everyone regardless of their flaws, him hating on someone from birth is partiality. Simple.

So God doesn't have the right to like or dislike someone?
Do you like everyone you've met ? Don't you have things you hate?

He hated who Esau and Esau's descendants were going to be later in life. But until Esau became what God hated, God's blessings was on Esau according to the words of Isaac.
Even when the Israelites were coming out from Egypt, God told them that he has given mount seir to Esau and Esau's descendants and they were not to step one foot in Esau's inheritance.

If you insist God was partial, provide proof where God displayed partiality.

kingxsamz:
That's what I keep telling you but because you want to argue you're not comprehending.
What "most" atheists say in ragards to science have nothing to do with atheism. Someone who is very dull, unintelligent and highly uneducated can be an atheist. Someone who doesn't know the logic behind night and day could be an atheist. It simply means lack of belief in a god. That some atheists use science to debate does not mean atheism relies on science. It's simply the unbelief in a god. Same way the unbelief in big foot does not rely on science.

Ok

kingxsamz:
It's not making any sense. I will not deliberately kill infants. I already told you measures that'll be put in place to prevent that. Unless you want to deny that those measures are not possible. I'm not going to bomb a place if there are innocent lives there.
So no, I'll back out and restrategize. My answer is no.
Now answer the question Uche40 asked you.

You'll leave a threat to your country because you don't want to harm their kids until you find a way to spare the children of the attackers thereby allowing more of your citizens to die in attacks from the terrorists. Lol.

You'll have to step down as a military commander and let someone else do the dirty job that keeps you safe because you can't face your own people who have been attacked and who lost their own innocent children as well.

kingxsamz:
Did he hate him or not because na you talk say ihn no dey partial?

God hated Esau but God didn't give Jacob any preferential treatment either.

Disliking or hating someone is different from being partial to that person.

If you have proof of God's partiality to Esau, please provide it.

kingxsamz:
Do you need proof to not believe in big foot?
Isn't it the duty of the believers of big foot to provide evidence?

But most answers given by atheists for this disbelief of spirituality stems from science

kingxsamz:
Yes of course, I'll strike back at the enemy.
And I would command my men to keep the children alive. If they die, then it wasn't deliberate because I never ordered them to kill any child. They're trained soldiers who are good at aiming targets so no one is going to see an infant and shoot them in the head.
If the terrorists use those infants as shield, my men will back off and restrategize, attack them when they won't expect. The women will be spared as long as they're not carrying a weapon aiming to shoot. The women will be put into prison if it's ascertained that they weren't acting against their will. If they were, then they'd get the help they need. They won't be married off like some people's god would do.
If you want to call me a hypocrite, it won't work because like I said, I don't have laid down religious rules I'm supposed to follow neither did I go In search of children and babies to kill like your god did.


After all is said and done, you'll answer whether rape will become morally objective if your god permits it.

Read my question again, striking at all means children must be killed.

suicidesheep:
You’re the one with the Bible, go and read it

Aka no proof

kingxsamz:
Not to mention that he also hated Esau from birth.

After He hated Esau, did He kill Esau? Even after Esau foolishly sold his birthright didn't God still bless Esau with more wealth than Jacob according to the blessings of Isaac?