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kingxsamz:
ahn ahn. But the Christian god clearly told them to kill children and infants before the war started nw. No where did it state that they had to it because of the mode of attack.
Suicide bombers? Cmon now, be real.

And you haven't justified that those children posed no threat.

I only gave you scenarios that any soldier could face and you didn't refute that such cases infanticide was necessary. Scenarios couldn't be limited to those I gave as an example.

kingxsamz:
What if it was necessary for them to satisfy their sexual urges? I mean if they can hold a 5 months old baby and slaughter it into different pieces, then they probably won't have an issue doing other things to it.

Sex is not necessary, eliminating anything that poses a threat is necessary.

Cut long story short and show me where Jews or christians are encouraged or permitted to rape in any circumstances.

kingxsamz:
I justified it where? Abeg point me to it.

Isn't this you here few minutes ago

kingxsamz:
Did you answer in the manner you're supposed to?
It's like someone asking for your name but instead of saying your name you go ahead to describe how your parents had you.
You already know this but fear won't let you answer accordingly. I seriously have no problem telling you that it's okay for a chief commander to kill children. I'm not the one practicing any religion, neither am I the one upholding the rules of any religion. Your "morals" are being put to test. Either you answer the way you should or chicken out as usual.

I added a screenshot Incase you quickly edit your response.

kingxsamz:
I did not admit. I told you I wouldn't mind answering you with that particular response if that were to be what I had in mind, because you thought asking me that question would make me deflect or abandon the argument.

And why would you answer me with that particular response if that's not what exactly you'll do in that scenario

kingxsamz:
She's clearly fine with justifying all sorts of acts simply because her religious text permits it.
She would defend the indefensible simply because of her religion.

Self defense has nothing to do with religion.
You also justified children killing in war so is the problem now that a Christian did the same?

Namdio:
I don't see how it relates to religion if even those who don't believe will also do it

They have nothing else to say.

They accepted that they'll do the exact same thing in the similar circumstances but the Christians must not do it because they are christians.

Argument point don finish

kingxsamz:
Oh, so murdering children is okay, but raping them is a no no? Nawa! What kind of moral are you upholding?

The soldiers kill if it's necessary, rape isn't necessary.
Show us where the bible supported rape. Don't put words into my mouth

kingxsamz:
Chai!
The things religion makes us say and do.

Lol, but you also admitted that you would do the exact same thing

kingxsamz:
It's not a broad question if I'm asking you within a particular context.
It's been established that those kids posed no harm to fully armed men but they were killed unprovoked for something they don't know jack about. And you kept bringing up China war crimes, boko haram and all sorts of acts carried out by the US government as if that makes things any better.
Or you expected me to support the US killing children? Abeg answer my questions jor.

Nothing was established anywhere. You weren't there.

A long range attack could have been used. The enemies could have been attacked with poisoned arrows.
The men could have used children as human shields
The city could have been impenetrable and the approaching army could decide to rain down fire on them via burning arrows and trebuchets.
They could even be an infant army
Or suicide bombers.

You haven't established anything

kingxsamz:
So is it right to rape and kill children depending on the scenario? Answer.

I never said rape is right in any scenario.

Killing children in war should be done if it's necessary.

kingxsamz:
What harm does a 5 months old baby want to cause to a fully grown man with a sword and Armour?

What if they're used as human shields

kingxsamz:
It's not a broad question if I'm asking you within a particular context.
It's been established that those kids posed no harm to fully armed men but they were killed unprovoked for something they don't know jack about. And you kept bringing up China war crimes, boko haram and all sorts of acts carried out by the US government as if that makes things any better.
Or you expected me to support the US killing children? Abeg answer my questions jor.

It's war and you can't establish that attempting to spare their life won't cause harm to the soldiers because you weren't there.

kingxsamz:
That's why I'm asking you if you agree that it's right to rape and kill children or babies whose parents have committed crimes.
Answer with "Yes I agree that it's right", "no I don't agree". Simple! Why are you making things so difficult for yourself?

I keep answering you that my action will depend on the scenario. How difficult is it for you to understand?

kingxsamz:
I didn't ask you to give me scenarios, I asked you to agree whether it's right or wrong which you have been avoiding out of fear.
Like I said, it's like being asked your name but you go ahead to give a scenario of how your parents had you. Answer and stop being scared.


Long sermons again that has nothing to do with the questions asked. Whether you find atheists intelligent or not is irrelevant.
And if you don't think that people who say "there is no god" are not always evil, then it means your Bible was either lying or it was written by someone who wasn't logically sound, because it clearly stated that they're evil and do no good.
Abeg answer that question so i can do you a Favour of answering your. No fear, I'll be easy on you.

Asking me if infanticide is right is a broad question but using 1Samuel 15 as a scenario.
I have answered you that I won't hesitate to kill children if I feel it's necessary.

kingxsamz:
Did you answer in the manner you're supposed to?
It's like someone asking for your name but instead of saying your name you go ahead to describe how your parents had you.
You already know this but fear won't let you answer accordingly. I seriously have no problem telling you that it's okay for a chief commander to kill children. I'm not the one practicing any religion, neither am I the one upholding the rules of any religion. Your "morals" are being put to test. Either you answer the way you should or chicken out as usual.

I have answered your question as well unless you're trying to say that because I'm a Christian, In a war where I was attacked first I must not kill children in my revenge attack.

My religion forbids unprovoked killing.
My religion teaches karma that what a man sows he reaps and he who kills by sword dies by the sword
My religion doesn't forbid self defense

kingxsamz:
I promise, if you answer both of my questions directly, I'll answer yours sincerely.
I'm an athiest and you are religious. You uphold religious rules. If I kill an innocent person does that mean that it's justified for you to kill an innocent person too?
Don't you get it?

I have answered your question but you rejected my answers. I gave two scenarios and gave answers for both but it wasn't good for you. If you're the teacher and I'm the student and I have supposedly failed my classwork thrice, won't you do correction for me to learn ?

I don't ever think all atheists are evil or bad. I actually think that most atheists are some of the most intelligent people I've met. It takes intelligence to question what you have been indoctrinated with instead of following sheepishly wether you understand or not.

I understand many atheists were victims of wrong doctrines just like I was. However, my issue with some atheists is that some of them are simply anti -christian and talk against the Christian God more than the Christians themselves. Somehow these set of atheists forget that Allah, Krishna, Buddha etc are also deities people worship.

I'm very logical, I won't bend the truth to score cheap points. I told you that I will not hesitate to kill if my life is threatened and that in war, infanticide is collateral damage. But minus war or threat to life. I won't even think of killing.

kingxsamz:
The questions asked was this.

Do you agree that it's right to kill children and babies as long as the parents of those children hurt you? Don't dodge. Answer the question.

Also, given that you said for every action there's a reaction, would it be okay if the Christian god specifically commanded men to rape women and children for the crimes committed by their husbands and fathers?

Your answer should go like this: I agree, I don't agree. Which you have failed in doing.
So madam, you haven't said anything yet apart from beating around the bush.

Since you said my answers are wrong, please sir, teach me how to answer by answering my question

kingxsamz:
No one fell into anything abeg. The other dude just can't give you responses that'll make you deflect and confused.

So why are you dancing up and down instead of showing me how it's done by answering my question with superior logic

kingxsamz:
How did you not being sincere translate to me calling you evil?
You have been deflecting, avoiding the questions I asked and that's what I've been hinting on.
And are you blind? I already told you that I could support such actions and it doesn't matter because I'm not the one upholding religious laws.

Answer my question if you ain't chicken.

Answer my first question since this discussion began please

Namdio:
Keep up the good fight, you have done what I cannot do, Kudos!!

When faced with the same logic they cannot answer.

Lol, they fell into my trap and they didn't see it coming.
I'm very eager to learn from their response. We learn everyday

kingxsamz:
Is that how it works? You're asked a question but because you're too scared of contradicting yourself, you want to turn it on me by asking another question instead of just facing it head on. if you're so confident in your religious beliefs and rules, it shouldn't be too hard to answer.
I already told you that I could even support the killing of babies for no reason. It still wouldn't matter because I uphold no religious rules.
Your morals which you claim to be the standard is being put to test.
So answer these questions.

Do you agree that it's right to kill children and babies as long as the parents of those children hurt you? Don't dodge. Answer the question.

Also, given that you said for every action there's a reaction, would it be okay if the Christian god specifically commanded men to rape women and children for the crimes committed by their husbands and fathers?
No matter the deflection, it'll be here waiting for you.

Reverse psychology won't work on me, neither will gaslighting. You should have noticed that by now

I answered one question three times and you still weren't satisfied. So I want to learn from your wisdom. What good People should do in such a scenario.

kingxsamz:
I never called you evil or a hypocrite, or have I?
Or you're just making up stuff to have some sort of defense?
I can feel the fear behind those words and emojis. Scared of busting your bubbles?
Answer my question.

You've been insinuating I'm not being sincere na

I've been answering your questions for the past two days. I asked one question and you can't answer?

suicidesheep:
Ok start listing

See attached.
Emphasis on forced disappearances.

suicidesheep:
See what you’re doing, do you want to compare war of before and now, then men fought with s swords and before you could get to the infants, you must have wipes out the army. So nothing like war casualties.

The Israelites deliberately killed women and children after killing the men in battle.

Chai, see how dumb and inhumane religion has made you

I love the highlighted part, we're getting somewhere

You didn't have to wipe out entire armies to get to the families. Forget about what you watch in game of thrones. Battles are rarely fought in open vast fields hours away from the safety of home..

Battles are fought in the streets, homes, farms of the opponent. It was usually attack or defense. If you're attacking, it'll start in your opponent's house and if you lose, they'll chase you till they kill you and proceed to your home to play with your kids .

Please answer my question let me learn from your wisdom

suicidesheep:
The fact that you’re still defending yourself is funny. Your so called perfect God ordered killing of children and you’re here saying because it’s war anyone can die. I won’t even argue with you in that anymore.

Which war crime has china committed, like china has ever gone to war recently. I bet you don’t even know what a war crime is. Go back to school little boy

Really? Should I list war crimes china committed? Google is your friend. Answer my questions first

suicidesheep:
I say the thinking of some theist, will make you fear the human race. This one will think she’s different from those Muslim that are extremist

Answer this question with a yes or no otherwise you're worse than the extremists and fanatics yourself

You're the military chief of a country has been constantly attacked brutally by terrorists camping in a certain location. The terrorists kill anything alive that they see.

These terrorists formed the entire country. When it's time to attack, all the males old enough to fire a weapon come out for the attack. The women fetch water for them, cook etc if possible.

Will you strike back at the enemy if there's no way to avoid infant casualties?

If yes, why?
If no, why?

Note: Every man in that small country is part of the army and every man's wife is an assistant to the army especially during war.

Please teach us what a good person should do in this case, I "trust" your good judgement

kingxsamz:
Remember, you're the religious one here and there are laid down rules for you to follow and maintain. After all, atheists are evil people and they don't ever do good. (according to your Bible). so don't expect much from me. I might support the killing of children, I might not. Doesn't matter.
You're the one with moral standards.

So now answer my question.
And don't forget the two other questions I asked. Like I said, it's getting interesting.
Answer.

Lmfao
For you to call me evil and a hypocrite, you must have an idea of what a good person will do in that scenario.

So you must answer my question with a yes or a no just like you insisted even after I explained to you that each scenario is different.

kingxsamz:
Nope you have to answer my questions unless you want to lie that infants who aren't even self aware yet pose a threat to men who are armed to the teeth. And take note of the context of the question being asked.
So I'll repeat it for you again because you failed woefully at your response.

Do you agree that it's right to kill children and babies as long as the parents of those children hurt you? Don't dodge. Answer the question.

This second question clearly asks you if it would be okay. It didn't ask whether the Christian god ordered it or not. Try again. Comprehend and answer.
Also, given that you said for every action there's a reaction, would it be okay if the Christian god specifically commanded men to rape women and children for the crimes committed by their husbands and fathers?

Let me know your answer.
If this was an exam you'd have failed badly.
Anyhow wey you dodge am, it'll always stare at you in the face. Discard the sermons and answer correctly.

I asked you a question, please respond with a yes or no and give your reason.

If you don't answer yes or no...
You're the biggest hypocrite alive

kingxsamz:
Wonderful.
So can Buhari wipe out all the children and babies in the east if some men from Igbo land are causing havoc?
This is getting interesting.

It's about to get more interesting

Since you believe every question has a yes or no answer.

Answer this question yourself:

You're the military chief of a country has been constantly attacked brutally by terrorists camping in a certain location. The terrorists kill anything alive that they see.

These terrorists formed the entire country. When it's time to attack, all the males old enough to fire a weapon come out for the attack. The women fetch water for them, cook etc if possible.

Will you strike back at the enemy if there's no way to avoid infant casualties?

If yes, why?
If no, why?

Note: Every man in that small country is part of the army and every man's wife is an assistant to the army especially during war.

suicidesheep:
Omo see the thinking of a Christian who’s suppose to be compassionate like Christ.
You said even if it’s a day old baby. Religion aside you’re just a terrible person for that thinking

Stop being a hypocrite. If I'm a terrible person for saying that in war anyone who needs to die should die, then we are all hypocrites.

So no children have died in the war against Boko Haram?
America hasn't killed any children in the war against terrorism?
Russia hasn't killed any children in the war against Ukraine?
Ukraine's missiles haven't killed children?
The pharmacies that make abortion pills nkor?

What difference does it make? One person entered Boko Haram camp and killed everyone there.
Another entered Boko Haram and killed all adults, left all the infants alive and healthy in sambisa forest and drove away

I forgot your atheist China which is the worst in committing war crimes.

If Nigeria hasn't been killing "innocent people" will there be a country called Nigeria?

kingxsamz:
You keep dodging my question and repeating the same thing.
I'll type it out here again for you to answer.
Answer the two questions I asked and forget about the lengthy sermons. Answer my questions.

Do you agree that it's right to kill children and babies as long as the parents of those children hurt you? Don't dodge. Answer the question.

Also, given that you said for every action there's a reaction, would it be okay if the Christian god specifically commanded men to rape women and children for the crimes committed by their husbands and fathers?

Your answer should go like this: "I agree it's right because...", "It wouldn't be okay because...".
If you're having comprehension issues, read it ten times and you'll definitely understand. You're not a kid.

And we both know why you don't want to answer because you'll have to shoot yourself in the foot.

And here below is what infanticide means.
Maybe you've forgotten that certain words have different meanings and different contexts they can be used in.
Answer my question directly or chicken out with another sermon.

Lol, Yes or no can't answer your question if that's what you're waiting for because that would be generalization and one size can't fit all. I myself will kill a child if I feel my life is threatened and my actions can be or condemned or justified depending on the scenario.

Unprovoked, it's wrong to kill any human regardless of their age.

In war, whoever needs to die for the safety of your country and people should be killed without thinking twice even if it's a day old child.

God never asked anyone to rape any woman, the punishment for rape is death. If you have no proof of otherwise, don't repeat this question again because this is the second time I'm answering it.

Namdio:
I just want to focus on this. Even David, the apple of God's eyes killed people. But outside of battle David was a good man who sought God's heart, which is the main thing.

Edit: Even David's killings weren't without consequences. David wanted to build the temple but God did not allow him to because he had killed.

Correct... You can't say because murder is a sin, people shouldn't defend themselves or strike back when attacked.
Because America or the UK are christian countries, U can't shoot one missile and they forgive and forget