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chyz:its not shyt. it was to prove a point but since you take it as shyt then there is no point arguing on this topic |
chyz:NO ONE WOULD EVER OPPOSE THE NDIGBO AND HER ALLIES LEAVING BUT DO NOT EXTEND YOUR TERRITORY TO WHERE IT IS NOT MEANT TO BE!!! |
chyz:how is it bullshit?? what prosperity are you talking about and how does that relate to the topic ![]() |
i am waiting for my igbo brothers to condemn this but yorubas condemn others abi ![]() |
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this is for the people that say ojukwu was a hero for leaving his people to die and awolowo was not a neutral before,during and after the war The aim of a leader should be the welfare of the people whom he leads. I have used 'welfare' to denote the physical, mental and spiritual well-being of the people. With this aim fixed unflinchingly and unchangeably before my eyes I consider it my duty to Yoruba people in particular and to Nigerians in general, to place four imperatives before you this morning. Two of them are categorical and two are conditional. Only a peaceful solution must be found to arrest the present worsening stalemate and restore normalcy. The Eastern Region must be encouraged to remain part of the Federation. If the Eastern Region is allowed by acts of omission or commission to secede from or opt out of Nigeria, then the Western Region and Lagos must also stay out of the Federation. The people of Western Nigeria and Lagos should participate in the ad hoc committee or any similar body only on the basis of absolute equality with the other regions of the Federation. I would like to comment briefly on these four imperatives. There has, of late, been a good deal of sabre rattling in some parts of the country. Those who advocate the use force for the settlement of our present problems should stop a little and reflect. I can see no vital and abiding principle involved in any war between the North and the East. If the East attacked the North, it would be for purpose of revenge pure and simple. Any claim to the contrary would be untenable. If it is claimed that such a war is being waged for the purpose of recovering the real and personal properties left behind in the North by Easterners two insuperable points are obvious. Firstly, the personal effects left behind by Easterners have been wholly looted or destroyed, and can no longer be physically recovered. Secondly, since the real properties are immovable in case of recovery of them can only be by means of forcible military occupation of those parts of the North in which these properties are situated. On the other hand, if the North attacked the East, it could only be for the purpose of further strengthening and entrenching its position of dominance in the country. [b]If it is claimed that an attack on the East is going to be launched by the Federal Government and not by the North as such and that it is designed to ensure the unity and integrity of the Federation, two other insuperable points also become obvious. First, if a war against the East becomes a necessity it must be agreed to unanimously by the remaining units of the Federation. In this connection, the West, Mid- West and Lagos have declared their implacable opposition to the use of force in solving the present problem. In the face of such declarations by three out of remaining four territories of Nigeria, a war against the East could only be a war favoured by the North alone. Second, if the true purpose of such a war is to preserve the unity and integrity of the Federation, then these ends can be achieved by the very simple devices of implementing the recommendation of the committee which met on August 9 1966, as reaffirmed by a decision of the military leaders at Aburi on January 5 1967 as well as by accepting such of the demands of the East, West, Mid-West and Lagos as are manifestly reasonable, and essential for assuring harmonious relationships and peaceful co-existence between them and their brothers and sisters in the North.[/b] Some knowledgeable persons have likened an attack on the East to Lincoln's war against the southern states in America. Two vital factors distinguish Lincoln's campaign from the one now being contemplated in Nigeria. The first is that the American civil war was aimed at the abolition of slavery - that is the liberation of millions of Negroes who were then still being used as chattels and worse than domestic animals. The second factor is that Lincoln and others in the northern states were English-speaking people waging a war of good conscience and humanity against their fellow nationals who were also English speaking. A war against the East in which Northern soldiers are predominant, will only unite the Easterners or the Ibos against their attackers, strengthen them in their belief that they are not wanted by the majority of their fellow-Nigerians, and finally push them out of the Federation. We have been told that an act of secession on the part of the East would be a signal, in the first instance, for the creation of the COR state by decree, which would be backed, if need be, by the use of force. With great respect, I have some dissenting observations to make on this declaration. There are 11 national or linguistic groups in the COR areas with a total population of 5.3 millions. These national groups are as distinct from one another as the Ibos are distinct from them or from the Yorubas or Hausas. Of the 11, the Efik/Ibibio/Annang national group are 3.2 million strong as against the Ijaws who are only about 700,000 strong. Ostensibly, the remaining nine national group number 1.4 millions. But when you have subtracted the Ibo inhabitants from among them, what is left ranges from the Ngennis who number only 8,000 to the Ogonis who are 220,000 strong. A decree creating a COR state without a plebiscite to ascertain the wishes of the peoples in the area, would only amount to subordinating the minority national groups in the state to the dominance of the Efik/Ibibio/Annang national group. It would be perfectly in order to create a Calabar state or a Rivers state by decree, and without a plebiscite. Each is a homogeneous national unit. But before you lump distinct and diverse national units together in one state, the consent of each of them is indispensable. Otherwise, the seed of social disquilibrium in the new state would have been sown. On the other hand, if the COR State is created by decree after the Eastern Region shall have made its severance from Nigeria effective, we should then be waging an unjust war against a foreign state. It would be an unjust war, because the purpose of it would be to remove 10 minorities in the East from the dominance of the Ibos only to subordinate them to the dominance of the Efik/Ibibio/Annang national group. I think I have said enough to demonstrate that any war against the East, or vice versa, on any count whatsoever, would be an unholy crusade, for which it would be most unjustifiable to shed a drop of Nigerian blood. Therefore, only a peaceful solution must be found, and quickly too to arrest the present rapidly deteriorating stalemate and restore normalcy. With regard to the second categorical imperative, it is my considered view that whilst some of the demands of the East are excessive within the context of a Nigerian union, most of such demands are not only wellfounded, but are designed for smooth and steady association amongst the various national units of Nigeria. The dependence of the Federal Government on financial contributions from the regions? These and other such like demands I do not support. Demands such as these, if accepted, will lead surely to the complete disintegration of the Federation which is not in the interest of our people. But I wholeheartedly support the following demands among others, which we consider reasonable and most of which are already embodied in our memoranda to the Ad Hoc Committee, That revenue should be allocated strictly on the basis of derivation; that is to say after the Federal Government has deducted its own share for its own services the rest should be allocated to the regions to which they are attributable. That the existing public debt of the Federation should become the responsibility of the regions on the basis of the location of the projects in respect of each debt whether internal or external. That each region should have and control its own militia and police force. That, with immediate effect, all military personnel should be posted to their regions of origin, If we are to live in harmony one with another as Nigerians it is imperative that these demands and others which are not related, should be met without further delay by those who have hitherto resisted them. To those who may argue that the acceptance of these demands will amount to transforming Nigeria into a federation with a weak central government, my comment is that any link however tenuous, which keeps the East in the Nigerian union, is better in my view than no link at all. Before the Western delegates went to Lagos to attend the meetings of the ad hoc committee, they were given a clear mandate that if any region should opt out of the Federation of Nigeria, then the Federation should be considered to be at an end, and that the Western Region and Lagos should also opt out of it. It would then be up to Western Nigeria and Lagos as an independent sovereign state to enter into association with any of the Nigerian units of its own choosing, and on terms mutually acceptable to them. I see no reason for departing from this mandate. If any region in Nigeria considers itself strong enough to compel us to enter into association with it on its own terms, I would only wish such a region luck. But such luck, I must warn, will, in the long run be no better than that which has attended the doings of all colonial powers down the ages. This much I must say in addition, on this point. We have neither military might nor the overwhelming advantage of numbers here in Western Nigeria and Lagos. But we have justice of a noble and imperishable cause on our side, namely: the right of a people to unfettered self-determination. If this is so, then God is on our side, and if God is with us then we have nothing whatsoever in this world to fear. The fourth imperative, and the second conditional one has been fully dealt with in my recent letter to the Military Governor of Western Nigeria, Col. Robert Adebayo, and in the representation which your deputation made last year to the head of the Federal Military Government, Lt. Col. Yakubu Gowon. As a matter of fact, as far back as November last year a smaller meeting of leaders of thought in this Region decided that unless certain things were done, we would no longer participate in the meeting of the ad hoc committee. But since then, not even one of our legitimate requests has been granted. I will, therefore, take no more of your time in making further comments on a point with which you are well familiar. As soon as our humble and earnest requests are met, I shall be ready to take my place on the ad hoc committee. But certainly, not before. In closing, I have this piece of advice to give. In order to resolve amiably and in the best interests of all Nigerians certain attributes are required on the part of Nigerian leaders, military as well as non-military leaders alike, namely: vision, realism and unselfishness. But above all , what will keep Nigerian leaders in the North and East unwaveringly in the path of wisdom, realism and moderation is courage and steadfastness on the part of Yoruba people in the course of what they sincerely believe to be right, equitable and just. In the past five years we in the West and Lagos have shown that we possess these qualities in a large measure. If we demonstrate them again as we did in the past, calmly and heroically, we will save Nigeria from further bloodshed and imminent wreck and, at the same time, preserve our freedom and self-respect into the bargain. May God rule and guide our deliberations here, and endow all the Nigerian leaders with the vision, realism, and unselfishness as well as courage and steadfastness in the course of truth, which the present circumstances demand. " http://www.dawodu.com/awolowo2.htm may God bless this man!!! AMEN!!! |
why would this foo.l called akin-egba bring a topic from 2007 to 2010-11 if not for Mischief SMH FOR THE FOO.L |
@ akin-egba aka an igbo man Was this topic formed to spite the yorubas . if anything, we are happy he is succesful. btw, emaguali was investigated by DORA not a yoruba man!!! why can't you find out whether wole soyinka is for real? just like i thought, he is geninue!!! tribalistic id.iot!!!! |
chyz:http://www./biaframap2004.jpg check your biafra map and see whether it was not land grabbing? i am not opposed to ojukwu and some allied minorities going with biafra, what i do not like is the inclusion of warri (itsekiri mainly) even almost to ondo . the man wanted to take the WHOLE of SS with some part of mid-west that was seperated from the west by ekwueme*. tell me, if a yoruba man did what ekuweme and ojukwu did, would you not complain? how can this moro.n (ojukwu) invade, grab land and resources and expect people not to fight back? even in the face of his people dying, the self proclaimed leader left his people to die yet you give such a man respect? he so much disrespected the yorubas and the disrespect he had for the ijaws made them pull out. how can you disrespect people and expect them to respect you in return . it is this same thing that is going on on NL. the pro-biafrans only think about themselves, what about the nigerians that died? anyway, as i said earlier and i would maintain it. if biafra forms again AND invades the territories that are not part of her jurisdiction then the same result would happen again if not worse and THE LIVING WOULD ENVY THE DIED!!! jaygetta:my brother, you could not have said it better!!! |
kudos to the man!!! |
chyz:no one would fight with you guys as long as you only take what is yours. the whole of SS is not yours and would never be. if you see the so called map of biafra, it also included ijaw, itsekiri,orhobo . how can a liberator not respect the people he wants to liberate . if you take only what belongs to you or with the permission of other ethnic groups,you tke their land, then no problem but when you start to demand for things like they are yours then there would be trouble!!! |
chyz:my parents told me they never knew igbos. the itsekiris only knew the bini, urhobo and ijaw with most of the minorities down south not igbos. moreover, i apologise if the out burst my offend you but i hate when someone thinks he is superior to another and thats what ojukwu tried doing with the letter. i was shocked that excanny and co did not see anything wrong wiith what ojukwu said. how can you not respect other but you want others to respect you? how? |
@ excanny is that how you come back okay we are bolo thats why the fulani used betrayal not battle to get ilorin. as i said earlier, through out history we never knew you guys existed because you are insignificant!!! you never even had a kingdom (and pls, do not give me that crap about nri kingdom) talkless of an empire! we and the fulanis have been trading since the time we meet. we had calvaly while you had cutlass. if not for the british that merged all of us together. the hausa and fulanis would have been the best. their empire stretched from senegal to north of cameroun. that would have been closely followed by the yorubas who's empire stretched from east of ghana to western nigeria. even the binis empire would be before you guys! so yes, the northern army can occupy us atlest they give a bit of respect compared to that rat called ojukwu. may God allow you guys declare your land and resource grabbing war again, wo, [b]the living would envy the dead in your countr[/b]y!!!! bunch of imbe.ciles!!! biafra my backside!!!! pls, if they born you guys well, declare it!!!i was even trying to be diplomatic but it seems that there is no reasoning with you guys!!! even a latino knows this!!! |
T9ksy:Exactly my bro. They would not allow bullshit yet they would want to try it on other people. Eg the mid west. Etc. Yet thry wanted the ss in their biafra. LET ME HEAR ANOTHER BIAFRA RUBBISH AGAIN IN NIGERIA. I WOULD DO EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO MAKE SURE THEY ONLY TAKE THEIR LANDLORD TERRITORY! It's soo annoying. Do what u like others to do unto u! |
alj harem:not all igbos think like these fools on Nl. my igbo friends know the truth! ojukwu, what a bastard. awon were eranu! . Errant nonsense! Awon oloshi. |
T9ksy:Can you Imagine? And when facts come to light people like only truth and ezeuche would ignore. I have a family friend in the airforce. I think I would also join when I come to Nigeria permanently. I want the war to be between us against ojukwu and his loyalists! What an Insult! Even when the fulanis came to ilorin, we know they betrayed us. No problem. They never said in their lives that they wanted to liberate us! How can an ethnic group that does not have a king now conquer the WHOLE YORUBA LAND? Even the fulanis never tried it |
When did yorubas or mid west tell ojukwu or igbos that they needed liberation? If igbos cal that betrayal then we would be betraying eachother for a very long time! Liberation my arse! |
T9ksy link=topic=568982.msg7363047#msg7363047can you imagine the insult! Ne wants to colonize the yorubas! The man is so senseless! Even the ijaws could perceive the insult not to talk of the yorubas. The hausa, fulanis and us have cultural and historic ties compared with this ojukwu man. How can a man the cannot control his people control an empire that stretches from Nigeria to east Togo! |
excanny:My problem is that from the letter it can be deduced that ojukwu wanted to rule the south including yorubas an the ijaws! Why not leave immediately after the 'liberation'? Why wait until biafra is ready to let us go? How can a man that cannot rule or liberate his people,liberate the whole south? From the letter, it can be said that he was power drunk! Why negotiate with banjo not awo? These are the questions I have coupled with the fact that ekweme created the mid west yet his region was untouched . Why would a friend not negotiate instead of dictating terms and conditions? Can you even imagine the insult . Who the hell does that bast.ard thing he is? Dictating terms with the west and mw? Something, I wonder how people think? If he does that again to the west and mw, I would join the military and personally blown his brains out! Bast.ard!As for the north. In as much as I don't like them, I think we have more ties with them than you guys. The reason is that, if you read the conversation but awo and ojukwu plus this letter. You would see a pattern of arrogance and disrespect! We have had contact with the fulanis, fought wars formed an empire before we even know there is an east or igbo. You guys do not have sympathy for anyone. All you think about is yourselves! There may be some errors because I am using my phone |
@ vicenco Did you read ojukwu's letter to the west? |
vicenzo:Did you know about the letter ojukwu sent to the West? If you did, you would not say what you just said! |
This thread is funny ooo! ![]() |
EKONGKING:Good question! Pls,let's vote out pdp.PLEASE! |
The tribal warriors are back ![]() |
Meldrick:seconded!!! you could not have said it better!!! |
Jonathan dares IBB, Atiku over threat News Dec 17, 2010 By Kingsley Omonobi ABUJA—PRESI DENTGoodluck Jonathan, yesterday, took exception to the threats issued by candidate of the Northern Political Leaders Forum, Atiku Abubakar, and that of former military President Ibrahim Babangida that there may be violence if the zoning arrangement agreed by the PDP was breached in the 2011 elections. He warned that his government will no longer accept such reckless and rubbish statements from anybody no matter how highly placed. Jonathan who spoke at the decoration of 22 Navy and Airforce Rear Admirals and Air Vice Marshals with their new ranks at the Command Officers Mess, said: “Sometimes I frown when some statements are being made by some of our citizens, especially the politicians making statements challenging the sovereignty of this nation. “Government will no longer take that type of reckless and rubbish statements lightly because when there is crisis, we lose officers of the armed forces, we lose police officers and we lose civilians. Some of them will fly to the United States and Europe to stay and our children will die, our women will suffer and they come back to be our leaders. We will no longer accept that kind of culture.” Reiterating that government will not allow anybody to take the country for a ride, Jonathan said: “The sovereignty of Nigeria can never be challenged by anybody. I won’t say more than that.” Advocacy of violence He gave the warning even as the Goodluck/Sambo Campaign organization said it was unfortunate for some one aspiring to be President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, who was former vice-president and whose democratic and nationalist credentials were once touted, could descend to the level of advocating violence in a democracy. A statement entitled ‘Politics of Desperation’, signed by Mr. Sully Abu, Director of Media and Publicity of the Campaign Organization stated: “Studiously ignored by the Nigerian people including the blocs they claim to represent, elements of the opposition to the legitimate political aspirations of President Goodluck Jonathan are upping the ante and threatening violence. “Yesterday, Alhaji Atiku Abubakar, the so_called consensus candidate chosen by the gang_up of some of the aspirants, spoke of violent change if peaceful change failed. Franz Fanon, who was quoted, must be writhing in his grave. But his quote was turned on its head. “Fanon was concerned with changing the old order, not perpetuating it. Alhaji Atiku Abubakar and his fellow travellers on the other hand are actually saying that if they fail in their bid to perpetuate the social and political status quo, then violence would result. “This position is unfortunate for anyone who aspires to be President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, who was former vice_president and whose democratic and nationalist credentials were once touted. The gathering, at which the pronouncements were made, the nebulously named National Stakeholders Conference, was only an extension of the gang_up of a few elements to present a so_called consensus candidate. “Obviously, that arrangement, they now see, is doomed to failure and all round defeat stares them in the face. Otherwise, were they democrats, would they not allow their chosen candidate to face President Jonathan squarely at the PDP primaries? “Instead, they seek to contrive a crisis even in the political party they claim allegiance to, and a party which is successfully resolving its challenges including holding two successful NEC meetings. “Nigerians are not deceived. The annullers of elections and the motley crowd who made up the latest gathering represent none but themselves and in their desperation may go about renting crowds and urchins to stir up unnecessary dust in sponsored demonstrations. But this would not take them anywhere. Improvement of living standards “The preoccupation of Nigerians today is with their material conditions and the improvement of their living standards and this President Goodluck Jonathan is irrevocably committed to do. We are sure Nigerians across the country will resist the incitement of fat cats and other pampered elements who may seek to disturb the peace of the land. “The security forces, we are sure, are alive to their responsibilities and would not countenance any breach of the peace and the antics of those who want to imperil our hard-won democracy”. Among officers decorated at the occasion for the Navy are Rear Admiral Joe Aikhomu, Rear Admiral Austin Oyagha, Rear Admiral AOA Ikioda, Rear Admiral Johnson Olutoyin, Rear Admiral (Mrs.) Hotonu, Rear Admiral JN Amaino, Rear Admiral Gabriel Okoi, Rear Admiral Olufemi Ogunjimi, Rear Admiral Ibok Ibas, Rear Admiral Bala Mshelia, Rear Admiral James Akinwale. For the Airforce, they are Air Vice Marshal Akinola Ogunaike, Air Vice Marshal Isiaku Umar, Air Vice Marshal Aminu Adamu, Air Vice Marshal Monday Morgan, Air Vice Marshal Christian Chukwu, Air Vice Marshal OA Idowu, Air Vice Marshal Abdullahi Shehu, Air Vice Marshal AA Iya, Air Vice Marshal Sadiq Abubakar and Air Vice Marshal IA Balogun. Also yesterday, the Chief of Air Staff, Air Marshal Mohammed Dikko Umar, decorated 36 Air Commodores with their new ranks including Air Commodore JB Adigun, Air Commodore G Truman, Air Commodore BM Maiyafe, Air Commodore Emeka Ozoemena, Air Commodore SA Zakari, Air Commodore AO Ogunjobi and Air Commodore GM Ilyasu. http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/12/jonathan-dares-ibb-atiku-over-threat/ |
no, its not. you cannot yet categorise nigeria as a failed state but it might be soon. Lets His will be done!!! ping pong: . na wa for this una threat ooo!!!ping pong:don't deceive yourselves. you cannot make it a failed state. the only groups that can make it a failed state are the Whole of south or the north. chikena!!! you would probably be branded as a terrorist group if you try anything. |


but yorubas condemn others abi