₦airaland Forum

tactius:
Abeg...stop all this mindset argument. You people look down on yoruselves too much.

you are talking then make the first move than arguing !!!.

tactius:
You think all those developed countries became better by people sitting down look??

Even many of the benefits we have, was by people standing up and doing the hard work.

Democracy is hard work. It is not by vote alone.

the mind set of white man is differential from black man . have you ever see any african leader that resign willingly ? that can't happen. democracy in Nigeria is another ball entirely , the government system encourage poverty, gives room to crime and make the citizens to vulnerable for any means to survive.

Bragalane:
The only thief I know is the bastard that declared that looting of the national treasury is not corruption but the fool can not explain what that is till date yet trillions upon trillion is being uncovered in the lunatic wife’s bank account, the fool’s name is Ebele Jonathan.

okay but the one collecting 5m dollars as a bribe is not a thief? is like corruption have another definition under APC government! ahahahahhaahahah abacha loot loading.

tactius:
That's democracy.

That's what citizens in countries like the US and the UK do...they write to//petition their representative and get laws passed.

And their representatives....some of them are just as corrupt as their Nigerian counterparts (yes!)...but because their citizens keep them on their toes, they end up doing some good work.

Thing about democracy...you are free to go home after voting and do nothing...and get nothing...or you petition, write, distrub your elected representative till he gets stuff done.

Or we can all wring our hands here on Nairaland till the crows come home.

you are talking like you are not a Nigerian abi are you from another planet? ordinary peaceful protest, people were shot live bullets . so , with your petitions o.y.o that's your name.

tactius:
Then get your senator to pass a bill to ensure that soldiers in our army are treated properly and not treated like slaves.

That's why we are a democracy. The job of running the country is in our hands....we just refuse to use it.

ahahsha like the senators are not part of the problem.

Danelo:
Nigerian police, always not in town whenever issues like this turn up.

Miscreants everywhere

I've given up on this country.

those miscreants are those nuisances shouting afonja and flattered. head on nairialand here . after smoking janja weed you see them commenting trash and most them are jobless buffoons wrecking havoc in the street.

they were beaten because of their rightful allowance but got beaten meaning they are slaves! country treating their very own people like slaves, people that are laying down their lives for the sake of the country. the country system is failure.

Timekeeper:
Afonja grateful to her flat head husband... Nice improvement in our relationship as tribes.

Cox I know one of their flat head daughter (Tonto dickpussy ) cannot even appreciate an afonja man, all she can't do is to chest beat on Instagram and Twitter which is what their tribe is known for.. All mouth no action


No insult meant Pls

she is not even a Yoruba but an auchi lady so brother or sister to belittle your self like a monkey any man who is tribalist or racist is human being with diminutive sense of reason equal to jackal . only the jackals are shouting afonjas or Igbo

sogodihno:
well, my governor is doing well with the money that's why u guys hop in night bus to come and sale gala in my state.

you people have no sense at all even part of Almighty USA are subjected with an heavy flood. now can you tell us your state? is it not Lagos that is about swept off by flood abi? area like lekki's vgc and ikoyi huh come on check on Facebook and see how flood have taken part of ondo town.

delugajackson:
Exhibitionist actresses wh.ores like Christabel Ekeh simply cannot stop prostituting their sinful female flesh. She will continue her lifestyle still by taking extremely nude pictures of herself for social media and loitering top hotels where she gets her well-used orfice pounded by men.

That is why it is critical in Islam that once a woman like Christabel begins to exhibit her immodesty and lack of humility towards her feminine frame, she gets lapidated immediately. They don't have to wait until she begins leaking out nude and raunchy pictures like this.

then religion of peace will do her the needful by truncate her head off ! very bad.

sarrki:
This is what we need in Nigeria

God bless you sire

It was posted by one of the beneficiaries

that does not stop you people calling him infidel or kafir when it set now his head will roll on the ground . religion has turned brothers to enemy of each other . we have have failed our creator.

ledamaster:
dont mind the heediot. This man stood silent when the insukts were raong from the South west, now cos they haik and honour him he is speaking wubish. Are all the COCIN and EKWA members numbering over 5,000 killed by Buharis brothers and their church burnt not a part of the body of christ? what a shame. This one has lost my respect.

am telling you. I never see him or hear where he condemned the actions of book haram and Fulani's but is very smart to say all these trash.

obailala:
How can you not rebuke government? Where in the bible is that written and where did Kumuyi ask you not to criticise govt?

ah go and read the post again where is giving warning to his members. kumuyi was my model but from now on I have began to suspect him . any man who can't defend the defendless is an enemy of God . the whole world knew all these then one pastor that suppose to be mouth piece for the masses very shameful.

obailala:
I may not be the best bible scholar, but from the little I know, Nathan never insulted or used abusive words onDavid, neither did Samuel use filthy words on Saul, nor Elijah on Ahab. There's a clear difference between criticising a leader and outrightly abusing the person. You should go and read your bible again.

what kumuyi is talking about is that we should not rebuke the government or the leader but keep quiet under the authorities that's what he was saying and Mr kumuyi have never condemned the killing of Fulani's for once. intact Mr kumuyi should keep quiet when they were calling Jonathan names where was he? is a shame to kumuyi.

obailala:
What exactly is Shehu all about?... athe man seems to loose it sometimes. Did Kumuyi threaten to arrest anybody for insulting leaders?

Of course anybody has the right to criticise or even insult anyone they wish to insult but whilst that is okay in the law, does it necessarily mean it is okay in the sight of God?... Last time I checked, Kumuyi was speaking from the religious perspective.

ahahaha see this one !!!! how long have you read your Bible if you are even a Christian? see let me Nathan rebuked David, Samuel rebuked Saul, Elijah rebuked and condemned Ahab , even john the Baptist condemned herod ! now I have never see kumuyi condemning the Fulani's killing in the country why hmmm it seems has lost the respect I have for him because he has lost his Bible memories.

springtech:
I doubt.

This is what i think:

Your grammar looks more like "an" slowpoke.

Whatever he looks like was never his choice. Sometimes life chooses you and make things you never wanted to happen to you.
Be grateful for your own.

Happy Sunday to y'all.

this is my post: he look like an im.becile but censor changed it an slowpoke.

semyman:
Looks like WAEC and NECO English have suffered in your hand

moderators are not making sense I wrote im.becile they changed it slowpoke .

sholatem:
He has a down syndrome but doesn't stop Otedola from showcasing him anytime,anyday.
He got my respect for that.

okay. rich man with a rich palaver

look like an slowpoke !

Ihedinobi3:
You're certainly free to believe that if you want. As I said before, I disagree with you. I don't believe that you are correct in this matter.

me too I disagree with you as well.

Ihedinobi3:
Why should I say so? Have you seen yet that I do?

I certainly agree that Ezekiel describes Satan's beginning as a cherub and his rebellion, as I said before. I also believe that he describes his judgment and casting down from Heaven. But while the first two things are in the past, the last is yet future.

Revelation 12, on the other hand, talks about Satan's expulsion from Heaven, that is, the fulfillment of the prophecy in Ezekiel 28. While it does mention his rebellion by referring to his swaying of the angels to his side, it was talking primarily about the events of the Tribulation.

there is no prophecy in Ezekiel 28vs13 is just an event that have taken place . that verses reviewed what transpired the expulsion of satan from his glory.

Ihedinobi3:
No, I don't mean that at all. I think that you are very mistaken about what the Bible teaches here.

Ezekiel is both a historical document and a prophetic one (that is, a document describing future history). As I said earlier, many prophecies, whether in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Amos or any other book of the Bible, describe much of the future events that they foretell in perfect tense, as if they had already occurred.

So, it takes scholarship in the rest of the Bible to tell whether the prophecy refers to the past or the future or the present or all three or any two of those. Some prophecies have multiple applications even, using the principle of types and antitypes.

In the end, I will say again that I don't agree with you. I don't demand or necessarily expect you to agree with me, but I am confident that what I have said reflects the true biblical teaching.

just say you lack understanding of the bible. in that Ezekiel the message is clear telling how Satan was created and how he lost his glory even that Ezekiel is more accurate about story of satan while the revelation 12 talks how devil rebel against God. sit down with careful heart and to understand more about those chapters.

Ihedinobi3:
Where does the Bible teach that Satan still has any right to come before God after losing his place in Heaven?

in job 1vs 2-6 shows that satan still come before God.

Ihedinobi3:
As you yourself said, revelation (or prophecy) can be referring to any time at all. The tense does not necessarily describe when the thing being spoken of is occurring. We establish the timing of prophecy by looking at everything else the Bible teaches. Clearly, from Romans 8:34, the Lord Jesus has been interceding for us even after His Resurrection. Who would He be interceding against, if it wasn't the devil accusing us to God?

I don't see what you are teaching in the Bible, so I cannot agree with you.

ahahahahah I just laugh then if that what you mean Ezekiel vision is fake .

Ihedinobi3:
If Satan had lost his place in Heaven, how could he then still appear before God? After he was thrown down from Heaven, in Revelation 12 it is said that he had been accusing the saints until he was cast down (see verse 10) implying that he could no longer accuse anyone. In Job 1 and 2, clearly, he was accusing Job to God. How was that possible if Revelation 12:10 is true?

As for Ezekiel 28, there is no question that we have Satan's rebellion detailed there along with his ultimate fate. But I don't see how it talks about Satan being cast down when the disciples went out on their mission. As I said, if Satan had already be cast down in Job and Ezekiel, how come he is still cast down again in the gospels? How many times was he cast down? And how many times does he need to be cast down?

It makes the most sense to receive the Bible as saying that his casting down is a certainty even though it is yet future.

Satan has lost his place but is still have the right to go and come in the presence of God because is still son of God . in revelation 12 show that there will be a war and war will be fight in heaven so Satan and his soldiers will need to visit there as their battle ground after the defeat , devil will not be given permission to visit again .

Ihedinobi3:
[6]Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.
[7]The Lord said to Satan, "From where do you come?" Then Satan answered the Lord and said, "From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it."
[8]The Lord said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job? For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, fearing God and turning away from evil."
[9]Then Satan answered the Lord, "Does Job fear God for nothing?
Job 1:6-9 NASB

[13]"You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, Was in you. On the day that you were created They were prepared.
[14]"You were the anointed cherub who covers, And I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.
[15]"You were blameless in your ways From the day you were created Until unrighteousness was found in you.
[16]"By the abundance of your trade You were internally filled with violence, And you sinned; Therefore I have cast you as profane From the mountain of God. And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the stones of fire.
[17]"Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; You corrupted your wisdom by reason of your splendor. I cast you to the ground; I put you before kings, That they may see you.
Ezekiel 28:13-17 NASB

I am not sure what your point about the Job passage may be, but the Ezekiel passage should also mean that Satan had already been cast down by the time that Ezekiel wrote that bit, if your position is correct. That would make it at least two times that Satan was cast down. And why would that be? Is Satan able to take back a place in Heaven by force after he has been cast down? Revelation 12 teaches that he is not, so it makes no sense to think that he should need to be cast down more than once.

As I said, I stand by what I said earlier. Satan will be thrown out of Heaven and he and his forces will be restricted to the Earth only at the midpoint of the Tribulation three and a half years before the Lord Jesus returns to resurrect the Church, vanquish all forces of evil on earth, restore the Earth, and begin His Thousand-Year Reign over it. I see no biblicalq reason to believe anything different.

now in revelation 12 vs 4 says with his tail he DRAGGED a third of the stars out of sky and THREW them down to the earth. now look at this two words dragged and threw are in past tense meaning the event have taken place in the past. now the word "his tail" mean he 'deceived' , stars in the sentence mean the host of heavens, mighty of heavenly beings.

Ihedinobi3:
[6]Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.
[7]The Lord said to Satan, "From where do you come?" Then Satan answered the Lord and said, "From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it."
[8]The Lord said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job? For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, fearing God and turning away from evil."
[9]Then Satan answered the Lord, "Does Job fear God for nothing?
Job 1:6-9 NASB

[13]"You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, Was in you. On the day that you were created They were prepared.
[14]"You were the anointed cherub who covers, And I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.
[15]"You were blameless in your ways From the day you were created Until unrighteousness was found in you.
[16]"By the abundance of your trade You were internally filled with violence, And you sinned; Therefore I have cast you as profane From the mountain of God. And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the stones of fire.
[17]"Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; You corrupted your wisdom by reason of your splendor. I cast you to the ground; I put you before kings, That they may see you.
Ezekiel 28:13-17 NASB

I am not sure what your point about the Job passage may be, but the Ezekiel passage should also mean that Satan had already been cast down by the time that Ezekiel wrote that bit, if your position is correct. That would make it at least two times that Satan was cast down. And why would that be? Is Satan able to take back a place in Heaven by force after he has been cast down? Revelation 12 teaches that he is not, so it makes no sense to think that he should need to be cast down more than once.

As I said, I stand by what I said earlier. Satan will be thrown out of Heaven and he and his forces will be restricted to the Earth only at the midpoint of the Tribulation three and a half years before the Lord Jesus returns to resurrect the Church, vanquish all forces of evil on earth, restore the Earth, and begin His Thousand-Year Reign over it. I see no biblical reason to believe anything different.

now in the book of job 1vs 2-9 or so the context of the verses is that Satan have lost his place in heaven is just a vagabond, in that verse he was only one at out other sons of God that God asked "where have you been?" meaning he was missing in heaven or in his position. now in the book of Ezekiel 28vs 13 to 17 its clear how Satan was demoted and that shows satan has been casted down if we should look at that revelation again is still the same mind you revelation can be present, past or future.

Ihedinobi3:
Well, I don't quite agree with you. I stand by what I said before. It is not possible, in my thinking, to reconcile Revelation 12 to anything the disciples did at that time. And Satan could not have been cast out of heaven twice.

read the book of job 1 vs 6-9 then you will understand more and Ezekiel 28 vs13 to 17. you will understand more .

budaatum:
"Better" according to you. And I have no beef with you defining words as you wish, or, to use your words, "tell the Bible what to do". However, nowhere is it implied in the text we both have access to that tohu wa bhohu which translates to "without form, and void" mean "ruined"! And if it somewhere does, please kindly show me so that I not be led astray or inadvertently lead others astray, if you care to, that is.

let's bring these two things formless and void : before something will be formless then it means something is in existence but without a shape because inexistence thing can't have a certain description .now let's look 'void" meaning an empty space occupied by nothing this is showing that there is space , logically the words formless and void will tell us that something is in existence before. remember how water was created was unknown in the bible . I think from That 1genesis 1 verse to 2, I think the earth was recreated from destruction.

Ihedinobi3:
Our Lord was a prophet, nay, THE Prophet, the One that Moses prophesied about in Deuteronomy 18:15-19. So He spoke just like a prophet would. If you read the prophets, you will see that a lot of prophecies were given in the perfect tense, like they had already happened. This is because whatever God has decreed is as good as done. It will not fail.

you get it wrong ! that words about falling of Satan like lightening was not a prophecy but is a metaphorical statement describing how Satan power was disgraced from the highest order to the point of powerlessness and trampling of Satan's power under the feet of the disciples.

post=78814084:
Pa Lawma, the trash-can master!
That is how criminals and supporters of thieves feel anytime and EVERYTIME they read 's comment.
So you won't be the first at all Pa Abiodun.
You have neen noticed.

PDP in Nigeria again?!
GOD forbid bad thing!

Mr Felix everybody know that you are APC youth coordinator so we know what you are up to.

deepwater:
The idiot Felix of a bleaching man was exposed last year.
He went in a indoor campaign to ban 3 accounts for that reason.

so you mean that BMC is true ? I thought it was a joke oooh .