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Christianity Etc › Re: Science don't actually exist... Scientist are sinners by Jeromejnr(m): 6:29pm On Oct 21, 2015

frank317:
bro his dumb post was not even worth replying... i just shook my head and gave up on him. but i am still trying to figure out between him and the op who is dumber.

Or you didn't know how to reply.

@ bolded ...why must petty minded fellows lie.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Have Decided To Help The Christians Do Some Concret Research by Jeromejnr(m): 6:06pm On Oct 21, 2015

ifeness:
Admit you have nothing to say and endeavor not to be a man of one book, it's dangerous. You deserve to know more,especially in this modern world of ours. Take care.

So you are leaving.

SMH.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Have Decided To Help The Christians Do Some Concret Research by Jeromejnr(m): 3:23pm On Oct 21, 2015

ifeness:
They are really fighting it,putting up unnecessary arguments to defend a Jewish version of the Sumerian story.

So you are much more enlightened than the scholars right?

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Have Decided To Help The Christians Do Some Concret Research by Jeromejnr(m): 3:22pm On Oct 21, 2015

ifeness:
This is not about a god(doesn't exist) It is a about a book which explained that the anunakis(according to the Sumerian tablet) stored seeds of animals(dna) on the boat to preserve it from the flood. The anunakis did not cause the flood,it was only a way to preserve them from the cosmic weather which threatened to destroy that civilization.

The popular story of Abraham also happened to be a hoax. I was actually the story of ibruUm. So many distorted stories

All this your theories.

If you want detailed facts, why don't you ask me?

Christianity Etc › Re: I Have Decided To Help The Christians Do Some Concret Research by Jeromejnr(m): 3:04pm On Oct 21, 2015

ifeness:
I gave you a whole write up from Adam all the way to Moses,you here talking about proof. How come the Sumerians knew about the planetary system in our solar system and the bible knew nothing. Only to say the earth was flat.

Talk about the fact genesis used the phrase" let us create man in our image" Who are the "us"? Please don't talk about craps like angels or jesus!.

Go ahead and tell me why a loving god would destroy the tower of babel. The Sumerian story sound more concrete and shows it was due to jealousy from the Anunakis,which actually sounds more reasonable than the bible which said nothing about it.

Firstly, @ bolded, you don't need to lie to prove a point.

Secondly, ...now you ended up using sentiments about your own concept of God.

You say it sounds more concrete but scientists say the bible is more concrete.

If you still want the write up, I will be happy to oblige.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Have Decided To Help The Christians Do Some Concret Research by Jeromejnr(m): 2:51pm On Oct 21, 2015

ifeness:
A seeker of knowledge is never closed minded. You seem the opposite. What do you stand to gain by defending the bible? heaven? which isn't even real

Bruva! I am ready to give you more proofs if you need.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Have Decided To Help The Christians Do Some Concret Research by Jeromejnr(m): 2:45pm On Oct 21, 2015

ifeness:
Are you trying to be funny?

Ok I will ask my phone, you ask god. I will post answer shortly!

Na wa to u o.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Have Decided To Help The Christians Do Some Concret Research by Jeromejnr(m): 2:41pm On Oct 21, 2015

ifeness:
You are still not getting it Mr! These book were actually older than your bible. They are the originals from which your faith was copied from. Can you understand what I'm saying??

I am getting it sir.

This is what you are not getting:

1400 BC: Approximate time of the writing of the book of Genesis.
1400 BC: Standard Babylonian version including all 12 tablets. Flood story complete as copy of Atrahasis.
668-626 BC: Assurbanipal (Assyrian king referenced in Ezra 4:10) finds and stores the oldest preserved copy of the Epic of Gilgamesh in his library. Rediscovered in 1849.

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Have Decided To Help The Christians Do Some Concret Research by Jeromejnr(m): 2:38pm On Oct 21, 2015

ifeness:
If the Sumerian version can be proven to predate the others,then that is the original.

You cannot argue with evidence/fact.

Point of correction.

It was not proven to be before the Genesis account.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Have Decided To Help The Christians Do Some Concret Research by Jeromejnr(m): 2:37pm On Oct 21, 2015

ifeness:
They all are the same as jesus

You contradict yourself.

You are the one that was telling me of the illuminati and aliens that existed before.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Have Decided To Help The Christians Do Some Concret Research by Jeromejnr(m): 2:35pm On Oct 21, 2015

ifeness:
You should post me origins of the bible too.

See this guy sha, so Amazon is your source. Did you buy the book?

I can also show you bible topics from Amazon.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Have Decided To Help The Christians Do Some Concret Research by Jeromejnr(m): 2:29pm On Oct 21, 2015

ifeness:
You mean the story of a talking donkey isn't a myth

The story of an atomic bomb destroying S&G and the story of aliens looking for gold on the earth is not a myth I guess.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Have Decided To Help The Christians Do Some Concret Research by Jeromejnr(m): 2:26pm On Oct 21, 2015

ifeness:
Quesion; Why would you think god(or rather the gods) choose to keep the true account in the bible,when the biblical version was obviously fabricated from the original? At least let it be known the gods where here to mine the planet for gold(according to the original book)

Read my post above.

The Sumerian myth is not considered the original.

That was why it is called a myth but the bible has not been declared a myth.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Have Decided To Help The Christians Do Some Concret Research by Jeromejnr(m): 2:23pm On Oct 21, 2015

[b]So what validates the biblical account of the Flood over the Sumerian myths? There are several physical and academic evidences:

- The archaeology: In the 1890s, in the city of Nippur (northwest of Ur), archaeologists found a tablet dated 2200 BC—shortly after the Flood. Catalogued as CBM 13532, the details of the event are nearly identical to the biblical account. In particular, unlike the fanciful Sumerian tales, both CBM 13532 and Genesis 6-7 read like a no-nonsense historical account.

- The content of the texts: The biblical account is more specific and detailed. The exact people who survived the Flood are mentioned, as are their direct descendants. In addition, the Genesis story gives more specifics about the kind and number of animals that were rescued in the ark.

- The Flood: The description of the Gilgamesh account seems to infer a global flood. All humans were to turn into clay. No one was to survive. And Utnapishtim needed to save representatives of all the animals. But the poem does not adequately explain how such a flood occurred. Six days of rain alone would not flood the world. Genesis, however, describes how forty days and nights of rain combined with waters from the deep covered even the tops of the highest mountains.

- The ark: The design of the ark as given in the Bible is uniquely suited for a large vessel in rough waters. It was a flat-bottomed rectangle which evenly compromised between storage capacity and stability. The ark in the Gilgamesh story is a cube made from the remnants of a reed hut, covered in pitch and naturally-occurring asphalt. Such a structure would not have been able to safely see all those animals through a flood.

- The progression of religion: Secular scholars insist that Judaism was made up, that it is a simplification of the common polytheistic religions of the day. The evidence says otherwise. Archaeology gives evidence that the earliest human religions were monotheistic. Throughout the years, monotheism gave way to anthropomorphized nature worship. This gives evidence that the monotheistic biblical account is based on earlier information.

All this means is that descendants of the survivors of the Flood knew about the Flood and passed down the story with ever increasing embellishment. The flood mythology found in the Epic of Gilgamesh and other places serves to give significant evidence that a global flood did occur. The similarities between the 2200 BC tablet and the biblical story give weight to Moses' account.

Timeline
2700 BC: Calculated time of Gilgamesh as per dating of walls of Uruk.
2350 BC: Approximate time of the Flood.
2200 BC: Estimated age of CBM 13532
2100 BC: Apparent origin of the oldest Gilgamesh epic (Akkadian, AKA Old Babylonian). Alludes to the Flood.
Before Hammurabi (~1700 BC): Apparent time period of Atrahasis story
1600 BC: Apparent origin of the oldest copy of the Atrahasis story
1400 BC: Approximate time of the writing of the book of Genesis.
1400 BC: Standard Babylonian version including all 12 tablets. Flood story complete as copy of Atrahasis.
668-626 BC: Assurbanipal (Assyrian king referenced in Ezra 4:10) finds and stores the oldest preserved copy of the Epic of Gilgamesh in his library. Rediscovered in 1849.[/b]

Christianity Etc › Re: I Have Decided To Help The Christians Do Some Concret Research by Jeromejnr(m): 2:21pm On Oct 21, 2015

ifeness:
So what's your point..... The bible isn't still the original

Calm down na. grin

I never finish.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Have Decided To Help The Christians Do Some Concret Research by Jeromejnr(m): 2:15pm On Oct 21, 2015

• Sacrifices were offered after the flood (Genesis 8:20).

• God was (or gods were) pleased by the sacrifices (Genesis 8:21), and Noah and Utnapishtim received blessings. Noah’s blessing was to populate the earth and have dominion over all animals (Genesis 9:1–3); Utnapishtim’s was eternal life.

• God (or the many gods) promised not to destroy humankind again (Genesis 8:21–22).

Perhaps most interesting is how the stories remain consistent over time. Although the complete Epic of Gilgamesh was discovered in the mid-nineteenth century, much earlier segments (before the writing of Genesis) have been discovered and dated. Yet most significant is the greater fidelity of the Hebrew account. This is attributed to the importance of Jewish oral tradition and the possibility that some of the story was recorded by Noah or from his time, which would make the Hebrew account precede the Babylonian version.

Some scholars hypothesize the Hebrews borrowed the Babylonian account, but no conclusive proof has been offered to support this. Based on the many and varied differences and details within these stories, it seems unlikely that the biblical version depended upon an existing Sumerian source. Further, given the Jews’ reputation for passing down information scrupulously from one generation to another and maintaining a consistent reporting of events, Genesis is viewed by many as far more historical than the Epic of Gilgamesh, which is regarded as mythological because of its numerous gods and their interrelationships and intrigues in deciding the fate of humankind.

Certainly, for those who believe the Bible is God’s Word, it is sensible to conclude He chose to preserve the true account in the Bible through the oral traditions of His chosen people. By God’s providence, His people kept this account pure and consistent over the centuries until Moses ultimately recorded it in the Book of Genesis. The Epic of Gilgamesh is believed to contain accounts which have been altered and embellished over the years by people not following the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Source: The Genesis Flood: The Biblical Record and Its Scientific Implications, 50th Anniversary Edition by Morris & Whitcomb

Christianity Etc › Re: I Have Decided To Help The Christians Do Some Concret Research by Jeromejnr(m): 2:14pm On Oct 21, 2015

During the mid-nineteenth century, this complete “Epic of Gilgamesh” (from 650 BC) was unearthed in some ruins at Nineveh’s great library, and the depth and breadth of similarities and differences became evident. Here is a more extensive listing of the similarities and differences:

• God (or several gods in the Gilgamesh account) decided to destroy humankind because of its wickedness and sinfulness (Genesis 6:5–7).

• A righteous man (Genesis 6:9) was directed to build an ark to save a limited and select group of people and all species of animals (Noah received his orders directly from God, Utnapishtim from a dream).

• Both arks were huge, although their shapes differed. Noah’s was rectangular; Utnapishtim’s was square.

• Both arks had a single door and at least one window.

• A great rain covered the land and mountains with water, although some water emerged from beneath the earth in the biblical account (Genesis 7:11).

• Biblical flooding was 40 days and nights (Genesis 7:12), while the Gilgamesh flood was much shorter (six days and nights).

• Birds were released to find land (a raven and three doves in the biblical account, Genesis 8:6–12; a dove, swallow, and raven in the other).

• After the rains ceased, both arks came to rest on a mountain, Noah’s on Ararat (Genesis 8:4); Utnapishtim’s on Nisir. These mountains are about 300 miles apart.

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Have Decided To Help The Christians Do Some Concret Research by Jeromejnr(m): 2:13pm On Oct 21, 2015

Question: "What similarities are there between the Gilgamesh flood account and the biblical flood account?"

Answer: There are many similarities between the Gilgamesh flood account and the biblical flood account (Genesis 6— cool

, beginning most importantly with God choosing a righteous man to build an ark because of an impending great flood. In both accounts, samples from all species of animals were to be on the ark, and birds were used after the rains to determine if flood waters had subsided anywhere to reveal dry land. There are other similarities between the Gilgamesh flood account and the biblical flood account.

One major point of clear agreement is that a global flooding disaster occurred in ancient times. Portions of the Gilgamesh account (Chaldean Flood Tablets) have been found dating back to 2000 BC or earlier. Tablets containing the full story, however, date to approximately 650 BC, or well after the Genesis account (c. 1450—1410 BC). These Chaldean tablets, from the city of Ur (modern-day southern Iraq), describe how the Babylonian God Ea decided to end all life except for the ark dwellers with a great flood. Ea, believed by the Babylonians to be the god who created the earth, selected Ut-Napishtim (or Utnapishtim) to construct a six-story square ark.

Cont'd...

Christianity Etc › Re: I Have Decided To Help The Christians Do Some Concret Research by Jeromejnr(m): 1:20pm On Oct 21, 2015

delishpot:
OP is this from the story you were told or you wrote the sumerian book yourself?
Both books history are written and introduced to us by same group of people. Every thing we hear is what we have been spoon fed. we cant vouch 100% truth in the stories we are told.

You got that right at the bolded.

They were actually written by the same people. Abraham is believed to have even been a Sumerian.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Have Decided To Help The Christians Do Some Concret Research by Jeromejnr(m): 1:18pm On Oct 21, 2015

ifeness:
I'm showing the origins of the book of Genesis and stories in it.

I have a response. cool

O ye bible beleivers! what Ifeness has done here is hide some more important facts of this Sumerian account. Which he claims the bible plagiarised.

I shall be putting it up soon.

Jeez! The things some ppl do to discredit the bible.

Christianity Etc › Re: Science don't actually exist... Scientist are sinners by Jeromejnr(m): 12:59pm On Oct 21, 2015

gemale:
Have u carried out an MRI/ct scan b4? Dts all D evidence you need. If u still doubt, find a corpse and dissect D skull area. If u still doubt, jump 4rm a very high place & land head 1st. I wld snap pics of ur brain matter & c if I can send it 2 u.

Have you carried an MRI scan on your own brain?

Have you also seen the brain scan of those that speak in tongues? That's all the evidence you need in believing the supernatural.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Have Decided To Help The Christians Do Some Concret Research by Jeromejnr(m): 12:16pm On Oct 21, 2015

hahn:
Let's make the thread more interesting then @ kingebukasblog, malvisguy212, winner01, jeromejnr, hcpaul, anas09, italo3, 5minsmadness and other Christians

Caution! My deluded friend.

Do not bring me into your petty matters.

BTW, I'll be back.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Science don't actually exist... Scientist are sinners by Jeromejnr(m): 10:21am On Oct 21, 2015

frank317:
Ooops, sorry for taking this thread serious. This is comedy at its peak

Good thing you know your place.

Christianity Etc › Re: Science don't actually exist... Scientist are sinners by Jeromejnr(m): 8:40am On Oct 21, 2015

sonOfLucifer:
Lol. You are even worse than the OP. Mockery isn't a substitute for intellect. But even this does a poor job of mockery. It's really really sad.

Sarcasm! I get. wink

Christianity Etc › Re: Science don't actually exist... Scientist are sinners by Jeromejnr(m): 7:58am On Oct 21, 2015

frank317:
Oh stop that. Your God actually hate science. Didn't you see some scriptural back up from the op?

Look who is talking about logical reasoning. Which day did your believe in Yahweh gat something to do with logical reasoning?

"I believe in God that can't be seen but I have personal experience with him. To feel him you must accept him and obey his commandments which he wrote down in a book 2000 years ago. Yes he is as real as air even though you don't have to believe in air to feel air, but my God is the creator of everything that can be seen but he himself can't be seen or felt except u believe him."

How is the above logical reasoning?

And How does what you wrote above concern me?

You believe you have a brain which you have never seen. You just believe it because your teachers taught you and also because you read it in science books. How are we sure you don't have a jellyfish in your head.

How is your belief in you having a brain logical?

I am not like the OP, don't let us start.

Christianity Etc › Re: Science don't actually exist... Scientist are sinners by Jeromejnr(m): 7:34am On Oct 21, 2015

OP

I know your are trying hard to find a way to attack the atheists.

But do us theists and God a favour abeg and stop posting all this baby talks. It's obvious you still have a long way to go in logical reasoning. Just give it all up, go read more books and maybe come back in 5 years time. Because this is pitiful.

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Business › Re: How To Start A Profitable Mobile App Biz Without Learning Coding by Jeromejnr(m): 2:07am On Oct 21, 2015

mobicomtech01:
You can send me a mail on mobicomtech01@gmail.com then will see how we can work on it together. I also develop android apps using the android studio, java and eclipse IDE then convert to a blackberry app for blackberry platforms. Hook me up with a mail.

Do you reside in Lagos?

Christianity Etc › Re: Science don't actually exist... Scientist are sinners by Jeromejnr(m): 11:28pm On Oct 20, 2015

OP...abeg! God does not hate science o.

What you should have said is Pseudoscience. (E.g Astrology)

Medicine is a part of science. And with this faithless generation don't you think God was merciful in bringing about medical solutions?

Transportation is as a result of science. Science is the foundation of technological creativity. Without science what can you be creative in.

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Christianity Etc › Re: OPEN AND SEE HOW POPULAR NAIRALAND ATHIESTS ACCEPT JESUS by Jeromejnr(m): 11:16pm On Oct 20, 2015

blueAgent:
it takes more or greater faith to believe that there is no God than to believe there is God.

apethesist are just fools. they know there is God but they just done want to acknoweledge him

@ bolded... That's the definition of Atheism.

Not too long ago I asked a petty minded fellow "supposing there was a God, would you like to know Him?"

He hasn't answered me ever since.

Christianity Etc › Re: OPEN AND SEE HOW POPULAR NAIRALAND ATHIESTS ACCEPT JESUS by Jeromejnr(m): 11:12pm On Oct 20, 2015

blueAgent:
All this foolish black apethesist. they claim christainity is white man religeon and there is no God. but foolishly forgot that even there forefathers were not atheist. becos the also belived in gods and worshiped.different things.from table to wood to charcoal .so who is fooling who.

On point bruv!

Deluded is the best word for thier kind.

Business › Re: How To Start A Profitable Mobile App Biz Without Learning Coding by Jeromejnr(m): 3:14pm On Oct 20, 2015

JAkpayen:
I don't think the OP is an APP developer otherwise he won't be advertising here. Developing an app is quite easy even if you are not a programmer. I main issue if which type app can you develop to make a hit in the market?

Do you code? I could share an idea that will hit the market globally.

Christianity Etc › Re: US Pastor Sets Internet Abuzz, Says Jesus Died For Money by Jeromejnr(m): 1:29pm On Oct 20, 2015

TrajansKong:
Are you ready to die, my friend?

Would you like to see Heaven right now??!!??

Jesus is waiting for you...

Tarry not, O Faithful One!

I have a throne to earn my friend, alongside the Almighty.

But how shall I unless I accomplish His will to the end.

Heaven I shall indeed gain at the end of my race.

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