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cold:
-'There is no god'
-prove to me god doesn't exist
-how can you prove kushites mentioned in the bible were black?
-prove to me they weren't black
-explain the difference between my analogy and the illusion of freewill.
-prove to me freewill is an illusion
Typical evasive tactic. I know the drill. You cannot ask the accused to prove he did not steal from you. The onus is on you to prove beyond reasonable doubt that something was stolen from you. If you brought this kind of argument to court,the judge would jettison your case in the blink of an eye.

The truth is, even if there is, do you want to know Him?

frank317:
That's why I am trying to let you know that this just ur mind. How does it sound justifiable that poor innocent children don't receive from this God that answers ur prayers. Some are born in pains... Have u even thought it through? Why are you being selfish about it? Yet there many people who don't care about ur God but are doing well. You even don't seem to undersand the concept of this your God.

I understand Him well in regards to prayer broda.

God gave this earth over to man. And as a result cannot intrude unless there is a man to pray or prophesy His power to be allowed in the earth.

The world is fallen and as a result a lot of mistakes have been permitted in the earth. E.g wrong child birth.

The only way out of all this mess is faith and prayer to bring God on the scene. While some children die others are saved. Why is this? Google Cokeville miracle.

Also as for sinners doing well it has been spoken about in scriptures. The devil only focuses his attacks on those that are walking in the true way. He does that to frustrate the person and bring the person back into his kingdom. The devil doesn't bother with those in his kingdom, he deceives them with peace so as to blind them from the need of God.

cold:
Funny how you keep quoting the bible. You cannot use the bible to prove the existence of god anymore than you can use a comic to prove the existence of spiderman. And oh by the way,i noticed how you disingenuously dodged my question on the difference between my analogy of the master/servant relationship and the illusion of freewill.

I don't need to use the ible to prove the existence of God. I will rather use nature.

BTW, You first have to prove that freewill is an illusion.

cold:
..but when you're asked who created your god,you go on a long winding debate about the first uncaused,god exists outside of time. Thus,cannot be created..bla..bla..bla. Same old tired argument..sigh

God said of Himself, "I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and Ending".

Nobody created God. He is self existing. Your brain has not even understood the milky way Galaxy, It's God whom scripture says can span the heavens with his hands you want to understand?

Is 40:12 "Who has measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, or with the breadth of his hand marked off the heavens? Who has held the dust of the earth in a basket, or weighed the mountains on the scales and the hills in a balance?"

Job 11:7 “Can you find out the deep things of God? Can you find out the limit of the Almighty?"

Col 1:16 "He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.…"

omonnakoda:
I was tired of you yesterday. Rather than address the issues you dance round in circles.You say Moses married a "BLACK" woman but provide no evidence
You claim Cushites were black again NO EVIDENCE.
When asked for proof you say prove it is not so and then try and widen the matter to irrelevancies.


For evidence you provide a link showing ETYMOLOGY dating 1820 for an event that supposedly happened thousands of years earlier.

For your information the Bible talks of EGYPTIANS are we to assume that those are the same as the ARABS who we know as Egyptians today?
How the can you presume to tell us who was Black or Not Black 3000 years ago without evidence?

Enough! I have already flawed your argument.

Check here for more proofs:

http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/sld097.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cush_(Bible)

hahn:
Apparently, you are the only true Christian on this forum. People like jeromejnr, malvisguy22, an2select, kingebukasblog, winner01 etc are only pretending as they do not honor god's word as it should be.

Carry on bro. Kirikiri has crowded cells awaiting your arrival

I could burn you at stake if that is what you want.

omonnakoda:
Firstly I do not accept that any of the stories in your bible are proven.I have only indulged you on the basis of benefit of doubt.
I.e "Let us accept they are true" Basis. Even then the bible does not say Cushites are Black so your argument that Moses was reproved for marrying a black woman is unproven and rubbish quite frankly

There is NO MENTION of BLACK PERSONS in the Bible so all that rubbish about Nimrod and Zipporah is balderdash. You are empty and raucous with nothing of substance but wind and fury

Dude, why your hatred for the bible na?

There are still more names for me to give you o if you want.

I don't know when Ethiopians where ever whites.

You've lost your argument ever since. And also your last sentence is a very good description of yourself.

Maybe you thought you were talking to a novice. You can ask Ifeness for testimonies.

You for tire for me today.

frank317:
And I told you I know how man came about?

Keep jumping from piller to post. Does rhoa change the fact that your people are making up things for a God they so believe in. This thread is a pure prove that no God answers any prayer because the op is trying to defend his ideology because of it has failed many. To talking about creation because no one has the answer to that. Stick to the topic

Well, God answers my prayer.

There could be many factors to people not receiving from God.

BTW, So you don't know how you came but yet you attack creationist. And you call them deluded.

Examine yourself.

omonnakoda:
I do not know that there ever was any people like Cushites. If there was I have no idea whether they were white black or Chinese.
I have not said so that is YOUR CLAIM(They were black) the burden is on you

You claimed they were black so how can you ask me to prove they were white.Stop being ridiculous

Good thing to see you have lost your argument.

I would have still mentioned a lot more black people like Zipporah, Nimrod, e.t.c.

At least by now you should know that Nimrod existed.

omonnakoda:
Try and use your head,

Alittle.

Read what you posted.
Term was coined in 1820 and yet you refer to Moses marriage about 3000 years earlier. You need to realize that the bible you read is a translation .It was not written in English so you need to know what was used in the Hebrew version from which the Bible is translatd.Secondly stop posting those pictures they are meaningly and do not butress your argument about Moses marrying a "CUSHITE" .THe reality is there is little evidence to substantiate that there ever was any group of people called Cushite .

I knew you would say that.

The word Cushite was not even the original Hebrew.

Kushi: descendant of Cush
Original Word: כּוּשִׁי
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: Kushi
Phonetic Spelling: (koo-shee')
Short Definition: Cushite

Cushite is the English transliteration of the word used.

So can you prove to us Cushites were white people?

We are waiting o.

ifeness:
I'm only seeking help for a brother in serious need. I am my brother's keep after all.

We might have to chain you down at some point.

Try bro!

Eventually you might be able to.

omonnakoda:
Firstly you have provided no evidence she was black.
You have provided no evidence Moses WAS NOT black
Second if she was black you provided no evidence that they spoke BECAUSE she was black in other words would they have been happy with any other non black woman.Was their objection that she was black or simply that she was foreign.
What is the meaning of the photos you posted are those Cushites??
What evidence do you have that Cushites were black??

Dude you got no argument.

Etymology[edit]
Cush + -ite, coined in the 1820s. In the early 19th century, the term referred to the tan to dark-skinned Horn of Africans (synonymous with Herodotus' Ethiopians) in general. The technical linguistic sense is due to Friedrich Müller (1876).

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Cushite

ifeness:
We can't help him. He is lost in his world of delusion. Perhaps Johnydon22 can help us drag him out

Looooool!

He is calling for backup.

Chai! I thought you guys were smart?

frank317:
Oh dear... There he goes talking about apes and chaos coming from nothing, where the f**k is that coming from again? You are good at conjuring thoughts from your head and it suddenly becomes a reality. Well, I can't blame you. You are good at believing anything.
So what next is in your line of believe? That I said I can fly?

So you deny your beginnings.

Okay, so enlighten us, how did men come about?

omonnakoda:
Firstly I have not claimed I have a brain so do not divert the discussion.
That is a sure sign that you are seeking to end a discussion that is logically uncomfortable for you by being provocative.It won't work!!

Back to topic please........

Haha! So I can clearly say you don't have a brain.

Good thing you were smart enough to see where it was heading.

omonnakoda:
Ethiopians are not Blacks.
We can agree to disagree on that.

Now can you answer the question on Moses and his wife Where is the evidence for this bizarre claim

So now they are not black because you want to suit your claim. SMH

Numbers 12:1 "Then Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Cushite woman he had married (for he had married an Ethiopian woman)."

You've lost your argument.

omonnakoda:
Did you read what you quoted? Did you comprehend.I do not have to prove anything. I am the denier.It is those who claim it is fro God that have to prove . At some point there was no bible then the bible arrived so people were then expected to ACCEPT IT as the Word of God. They cannot be asked to disprove.The status quo in logic is if you come up with a claim then you prove it.Otherwise it is UNPROVEN

So if we are to go by your logic, why don't you help your friend in proving you have a brain.

frank317:
The guy is a lost soul... No hope for him. He keeps on ranting about believe believe believe. In order words all he is saying that... Yes I know it makes no sense but just believe or be damned. How can u help such a person.

Lol! The Irony.

You say God didn't create you. But you just happened out of chaos which proceeded from nothing.

We ask you how is that possible.

You say you don't know, it makes no sense, but you just believe there is no God and you mutated from an ape.

omonnakoda:
Firstly Ethiopians are not the same race as I or other Nigerians so when I say blacks I am talking about us.

Secondly Where in your bible was this REPROVE for marrying a black woman. You say "get your fats right"

OK that is exactly what I want to do so kindly provide a source

Lol! They always want to complicate issues for themselves.

You said no blacks were mentioned. Are Nigerians the only blacks? I have given you Ethiopia you are still not satisfied.

Why didn't they also mention Caucasians?

omonnakoda:
He is demonstrating that in logic people do not prove negatives.

It is incumbent on he who asserts a thing to prove it and not on he who denies to disprove.

ei incumbit probatio qui dicit non qui negat

You also deny the bible isn't inspired by God. So prove it.

ifeness:
Prove to me your god exist. Picture evidence pls if truly your god exist!

Prove to me you have a brain?

omonnakoda:
The real question is why this God has no account of Black people in his stories?
Not even one line for thousands of years? Jehovah is not a god for Africans

Ethiopians were blacks. Moses was reproved by his sister and brother for marrying a black woman.

Get you facts right. So now with what you wrote how do you want me to take you seriously with our earlier discussion?

ifeness:
Imagine the childish answer. You cannot proof I am not presently having a blow-job,can you?

It's prove not proof.

How does your blow-job issue relate to the atomic bomb?

ifeness:
Believing blindly in a god without evidence of its existence,no evidence of its help to his followers is pure brainwash. The fact that you cannot provide at least a photo of the guy you are defending in the court of non-believers is pure brainwash. Perhaps Frank317 can explain it better for you to understand your situation

I have my evidence God exists. You don't have a proof He doesn't.

BTW, after your show of shame, you still quote me?

Why don't you give us evidence that Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed with an atomic bomb as you said

omonnakoda:
In other words you are out of your depth and understanding.

If a religion promises eternal bliss or damnation then it must be scrutinized and questioned very thoroughly.The truth is I have spent decades studying the bible and it is a creation of man. I can debate any so called man of God on this.I accept that people are entitled to faith etc but the Bible's contents often are factually incorrect. There were other contemporaneous writings from the time the bible was written so some "facts" can be cross checked.
BY THE TIME ALL THE DISCIPLES OF JESUS DIED AND FOR MORE THAN 200 YEARS AFTER THERE WAS NO NEW TESTAMENT. This is a fact. Later some Europeans decided to edit some epistles and called them New TESTAMENT. They were what is now the Catholic Church.
Knowing what we know of the Catholic Church today I see no reason to trust them unquestioningly

You have been seriously brainwashed.

BTW there are former pastors that know the scriptures in and out who later converted into Islam.

So it's not new. You can sit down and read the bible from beginning to end and it will not even do you any good.

So what makes the difference? Ones own encounter with God. If one was just brought up in a christian home but never really encountered God for Himself/Herself, the possibility that person will later fall away is very high.

You need to encounter God for the scriptures to actually makes sense to you. But until then, it's just a waste of time.

2 Tim "Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,"

2 Tim "..always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

Isn't the scriptures amazing. How it could answer peoples doubts.

Richirich713:
This guy doesn't get it, the apostles of jesus said the NT is inspired, the disciples of the apostles said the NT is inspired, the disciples of the the disciples of the apostles said the NT is inspired.

The NT itself says it's inspired.

He doesn't want to get that's why.

He is busy looking for how to mock.

omonnakoda:
You cannot cite what is being questioned as "evidence"
The fact remains that you have not answered my question.What you have quoted from(WHEN DID THEY START TO BE USED AS SCRIPTURE) WHAT YEAR.
WHO took that decision
WHERE and WHEN

Please answer the questions and stop your evasive tactics

All the evidence is that the Canon was settled more than 250 years after any of the authors had died

Mr Man.

The truth is you have no argument here.

You are asking questions that needs not be asked. I don't have time to start going into Jewish and church history.

Google Halakha. It was used to ask questions and get teachings from those in authority. That was what people like apostle Paul used in answering and giving revelations he had gotten from the Lord.

omonnakoda:
None of those apostles advocated that their "works" should be used as scripture please feel free to contradict with EVIDENCE

I have already contradicted with evidence. The quotes I gave you above are scriptures.

But some more examples from the Apostles to the churches:

1 Tim "Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage..."

To show the Lord gave them commands on what to write to the churches:

1 Cor 7 "Now concerning the matters about which you wrote...... concerning the betrothed, I have no command from the Lord, but I give my judgment as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy."

Also:

"1The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it.."

"11which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”

cold:
Ahh i see. The illusion of freewill that has been debunked several times over. Here's an analogy for you to ponder on.
You work for someone as a servant/slave. He calls you one day and tells you 'Jeromejnr you have two options. You're free to leave. But if you leave i'll ensure you die a slow and painful death. Or you can continue working for me for the rest of your life. The choice is yours'. Here in you've been given two choices without actually having to choices. How is this any different with your god surreptitiously offering us the choice to worship him or forever burn in hell. A classic case of damned if you do,damned if you don't.

Debunked by who?

Lol!

You are creating your own assumptions and also debunking it.

unphilaz:
see how the world sees and grouped christianity becos we have believed that the manifestations of the Spirit is extinct like the dragons, after the last apostles died out. #thegodkind

Because of so much unbelief, worldliness which brought about powerlessness in the church. People just nowadays feel free to blaspheme God.

Its a shame.

Romams 2:22 "No wonder the Scriptures say, "The Gentiles blaspheme the name of God because of you."