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davidylan:
madam pilgrim abeg comot your email before fundamentalists track u down to finish what allah had no power to do.

stimulus:
@babs787,

Wrong. I do not go out to insult your God or prophet, or even any other religion. If anything, you have surreptitiously slandered Christ and Christianity.

I can't deny that; but count me out from that observation as my posts can testify it is not my style to "quickly" divert to Muhammad. However, I have observed on several occasions that you do the very same thing you complain about, which is not a rational attitude towards other discussants.

Thank you; but I'm not surprised you're once again beginning to chant the 'conversion by force' slogan in Islam. Now, whether the sky falls down or not, stimulus is a sensible Christian who loves to see people come to a saving faith in Jesus Christ without the use of militant force.

God bless.

babs787:
@stimulus

Thank you; but I'm not surprised you're once again beginning to chant the 'conversion by force' slogan in Islam. Now, whether the sky falls down or not, stimulus is a sensible Christian who loves to see people come to a saving faith in Jesus Christ without the use of militant force.


I will give you just two verses in response to your post above

Quran 3 v 85: If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter, he will be in the ranks of those who have lost.

Quran 3 v 91;Truly, the religion with Allah is Islam. Those who were given the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) did not differ except, out of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in the Ayat (proofs, evidences, signs, revelations etc) of Allah, then surely, Allah is swift in caling to account.

babs787:
@stimulus


Actually, one doesn't have to be a Muslim in order to engage in dialogue, debate or disucssion of sorts. I believe that one of the reasons for a Forum like this is to set out the misconceptions of discussants who counter-argue issues with others. How is one going to ever know anything new if you engage them in a public Forum and then at the same time decline from offering them answers to what you believe they don't know?


You are right that one needs not be a Muslim in order to engage in dialogue or debate but as for me, I don't believe in fruitless debate. Dont you think that it will be an endless debate because at the end of the day you will stick to your belief regardless of the facts being tendered? You are already inclined to your belief and doesnt belief in any other prophet and book aside Jesus and Bible, so arguing with you will be a sheer waste of time. If you or other christians want to know about my belief as regards salvation, I have provided enough verses up, you only need to read them. As for salvation in christianity, I didnt want to push further because you have told me that you don't believe in my prophet and Allah, so to be candid with you, I wont indulge in debate with anyone that doesnt believe in my God and at the end of the day heaps insult on my God.


It might be interesting to view your list, though; perhaps it might add to what I thought I already know. However, if you still decline, then all the best and cheers.


You are not ready to know more than what you have already known. So if you believe that christianity, bible or jesus is the only way to salvation, good luck, so be it.


There

ricadelide:
wow, i find it hard to say one particular christian book is my favorite, i guess i've read one too many, lol
However i think i can pick my favorite author, and that would be Watchman Nee.
FOr those who don't know him, he was a Chinese preacher/teacher/evangelist. He died in 1969 after being imprisoned by the communist government for many years. If you seek for a deep relationship with God and revelation of His Word, then i'd really recommend laying hands on his books, i would say its a must for every Christian seeking a deeper experience of God. I've never come across any other author in our day who even comes close in that aspect.

He has so many books to his name and i can't list all here but SOme of his notable titles are; The Normal Christian life, Changed Into His Likeness, How To Study The Bible (excellent book), Love Not The World, The Spiritual Man (which, in my opinion, is his classic work), and so many others.

I'd REALLY recommend him to anyone who has never 'passed through' his books; it would be best to start with the Normal Christian Life and then 'graduate' into the others.

Cheers! And best wishes in our quest to know Him more.

TayoD:
@babyosisi,
You are becoming very naughty. What a statement! I'm laughing my hearts out.

babyosisi:
The Bible said the anti Christ would deceive many,meaning he'll have some degree of intelligence.
If this is the antiChrist,no one will be deceived.

babs787:
@nossycheeks

Oya extension of handshake, you will be my new e-wife no 8 after babyosis.


All arguments/debates suspended till further notice

buluti:
If you don't understand what i meant by "step up your game" its alright, leave your game where it is and keep getting the treatment you are receiving.

I have watched Hotel Rwanda and i don't see the significance here. Yes there is a bias against Africa and blacks but does that mean you should live in shadows. I strongly believe just like Nigeria, Africans deserve what they are getting, for heavens sake we can't organise an election, we are a laughing stock of the world and you want people to respect you. Please note i don't need anyones sympathy because am black i face discrimination everyday doesnt mean i will dwell on the discrimination. I faced tribalism in Nigeria so whats the difference.

Sorry i wont forget what i can do to gain respect, i would work on it, i would work on myself and project a positive image, not because am black but because i believe respect is earned. No where in the world does respect drop from the sky it has to be earned. If your arguement was that the odds are against the black man or that its difficult being a black man desiring to rise to the top of his career in the west i could concurr a bit but not this mental laziness arguement of yours.

My advise to you is remain the way you are, wear the boxers over your jeans and expect to be treated with respect why wonder when you are treated as a teenager. Why must you do anything, please do nothing. Who told you even the whites don't face challenges of a sort, the challenge i face might be different but everyone faces challenges. Even the whites project a positive image, they develop themselves, then you say why should you do anything?? Do nothing. Remain there.

@ Bankole1, to the average nigerian being blind counts as patrioticsm we can't even objectively look at issues, a lot of us can't get it that the pictures being projected give a true representation of the average everyday life of Nigerians and Africa not the minority in the few cities, we are getting upset for nothing.

Where are the pictures you want to post, am still waiting as i said please get a picture of where people are queing up for water and post it. In addition post the houses of the average citizens in these countries, not junkies please.

babs787:
@jeshua

Thanks but no thanks.

What is your conclusion, please be factual and tell me how to get salvation in christianity. I have tried the two religion and can confidently tell you that no religion that teaches Paradise as Islam. Al-Quran is my sure link with Allah, proof me wrong and I will join yours.

On the issue of salvation, pastors too are confused and if they are not, please explain these to me

The Bible confuses the whole issue of salvation. Many claim that faith in Jesus Christ is enough for salvation as being put by John 3 v 15- 18. If you are laying claim to that, then is a problem as there are other verses that go against that. For example the Gospel says that whoever believes and is baptized will gain paradise (Mark 16 v 16) that leaves us to wonder about the fate of those born again Christians that died or are alive without being baptized.  I doubt it if you yourself has been baptized. Now going through the bible, one wonders if faith alone can make one to have salvation (john 3 v 15-18) or faith with baptism (mark 16 v 16) or faith with works (james 2 v 14-15). Which of those qualifies one for Paradise?

Further, in the books of Ephesians 1:4-6 and Revelation 17:8, everybody is pr-destined for either heaven of hell before the ‘foundation of the world’. Meaning that no one can be saved except his name is written in the beginning whether you are born again or not and whether you have been baptized or not. Also, no one can gain paradise except God wants (John 6 v 65), meaning that it is based on God’s decision and will save someone when he likes.

Which do I take

Thank you and God bless.

babs787:
@pilgrim

(d) there is a consistent criteria for entering paradise; or just so many ideas that Muhammad wished on the spur of the moment? (no offences meant; and I'll offer why my question is thus worded).

Just like I replied your brother

Islamic concept of salvation is not based upon good deeds, but is based primarily upon faith. In the dozens of times Allah Almighty talks in the Quran about salvation, he always states, "Those who believe and do good deeds." Belief is always mentioned before deeds or works. When one converts to Islam, one does not do it by doing some good work but rather through realizing and believing that there is but one God and Muhammed peace be upon him is his last messenger. Non-Muslims may perform good works as well, but what sets them apart from Muslims is their lack of Imaan (Aqeedah) [faith], or belief. The reason that the good works of the non-believers are worthless in the hereafter is because of their disbelief. Unless a person's imaan or aqeedah is not correct, all his good deeds are worthless.


(e) does Islam teach that believing in Muhammad is to believe in Allah?

Quran 4 v 80: He who obeys Muhammed (saw) has indeed obeyed Allah, but he who turns away, then we have not sent you (O Muhammed saw) as a watcher over them.


(f) can ANYONE enter paradise with ANY sin at all?

A sinner can enter paradise but will first taste Hell and remain there according to the weight of his sins.

Hope I have communicated?

So let me have yours

Thanks.

buluti:
@ jeshua did you read noblezone's comment. i definately don't think so. I so totally agree with you.

Once again i ask why are they not showing poverty stricken pictures of Singapore or Hong kong, do you think they don't have slumps or the poor in those countries??

If they are looking at you as if you just escaped from hell, let me ask you to you how do you look, Have you just escaped from hell? It may just be because u are looking that way. Dont misunderstand me the discrimination and ignorant views are rampant i totally argee the "R" word is so alive but hey what do you expect. Put yourself in their shoes if you could help it, would u want a foreigner to come take all the good jobs in your country and leave the bad ones for you.

Please wake up, the discrimination is everywhere even back home, tribalism is so entrenched in our system, you can't get certain jobs if you are not from certain areas so i really don't see the issue.

Step up your game, develop yourself, respect yourself, dress decently and people would respect you. As noblezone said lets "disappoint the bad news hunters".

awoof:
Was it the same God the I know that told him he would replace OBJ? O.K how many votes did he score>? Maybe Atiku and Buhari want to organize riots or want the spreme court to declare Okotie the winner well tell that guy to qiut talking politics if he is tired of preaching he should go back to his village to grab his old box guitar and go and remix "i need someone" may be some of us will buy On his failed marriage to that beautiful damsel we have not heard the truth per adventure he no fit do abi he no see another one for his church since that one don run away? Maybe satan has not told him the one to pick

joshO:
Honestly, I do wonder if some of these Presidential aspirants genuinely believed in their chances of winning,

I'm not convinced Okotie can win a local goverment election if one is called today! As for Utomi, running for governor was not challenging enough, he had to be President!!
Even now, I know all the noise he is making is just to be given an important post in the "sharing of offices" soon to begin.

Well, all man has a right to decide his own destiny (according to Bob marley), but Utomi and his co-travellers should spare us their sour grapes!!

buluti:
@ jeshua did you read noblezone's comment. i definately don't think so. I so totally agree with you.

Once again i ask why are they not showing poverty stricken pictures of Singapore or Hong kong, do you think they don't have slumps or the poor in those countries??

If they are looking at you as if you just escaped from hell, let me ask you to you how do you look, Have you just escaped from hell? It may just be because u are looking that way. Dont misunderstand me the discrimination and ignorant views are rampant i totally argee the "R" word is so alive but hey what do you expect. Put yourself in their shoes if you could help it, would u want a foreigner to come take all the good jobs in your country and leave the bad ones for you.

[b]that is a good response but the question nobody seems to want to answer is why is it only Africa that is always the case study when it comes to issues like poverty, Aids and deaths. We have got our problems but if they cant help to change what they started, it is wise for them to shut their mouth and face something else. Do you know what a stupid Indian boy was telling me the other day? He said a waiter refered to him has a black boy and so he felt offended, what is wrong with being black? You talk about dressing nice, do you hide your colour too? maybe you are suggesting bleaching?
have you watched a movie titled: "Hotel Rwanda"? maybe you should go and get it. Also look for videos and articles on Martin Luther jnr and then we can talk.
If we do not rise up to rewrite our history, I promise you, noone will do it for us and if you have volunteers from amogst the whites then be sure it will be written to favour them.
I read a book called "Black Athena", it described the history of Africa and the fact that Egyptians colonized Greece and literarily built the culture that influenced the western world. but historians silenced that history because it will show that the people "that have being reported to have no history actually does".
I rest my case[/b]

Please wake up, the discrimination is everywhere even back home, tribalism is so entrenched in our system, you can't get certain jobs if you are not from certain areas so i really don't see the issue.

Step up your game, develop yourself, respect yourself, dress decently and people would respect you. As noblezone said lets "disappoint the bad news hunters".

oyinboaja:
It's not that we don't have poor people in Nigeria.
why e be say them no dey ever show anything positive from Nigeria? There are also good things happening to some people in Nigeria

our mumu don do

TayoD:
@topic,

I don't think the poster intended to compare the poor of both countries. Rather, his intentions is to bring to the fore, the negatives in those societies as well. They tend to focus and showcase our dark side, why can't we do same?

Bolarge:
O wiire jare. Pele omo kaaro oojiire.

I'm with u all d way.    


Chei ds akara too make sense O!!
Una wan spoil my fast. .

buluti:
@ Ndipe i agree with you that there are social segments we have the low, middle and high class in the society or definately. In addition i agree we should appreciate life but i disagree that we should remain under developed living in conditions that are inhuman, i disagree that the desire to be better or call conditions bad is not being appreciative and loosing the essence of life, i don't agree at all. 

Maybe you don't understand me so let me try and be clear, i appreciate our unique culture and traditional society (its beautiful in my opinion), i appreciate the fact that there would always be the homeless amongst us (even the bible states that), My issue is what percentage of the population is homeless, what is the standard of living of the low income class.

Please are we living in denial i wont speak of the US but in the UK wats the % of the population, theres social benefit to the unemployed that can sustain them at a decent level, the coucil flats meet a minimum standard of living. Thats to the jobless and homeless. This woman is not she is self employed. So being in the low income class should she be living at that level. The Uk govt has a target to reduce the number of families living below £16,000 per annum by about  10%, because that what constitutes the low income, with 16k a year do u know the standard of livin in the UK. Am not comparing societies am comparing living standards. You say she is livin better thn people in America and UK by what do you make that comparision?? Please don't comapre her with the junkies and society misfits because shes not, shes a hard working woman living in the low income class.

Again i say if you think that life style is good, i wish it for you. If its okay then you should have no problems with it.

Please lets face issues we need to develop, we are extremely poor and under developed, China is demolishing the rural areas and building mega cities every where if they were ok u think the development would come, we need to move beyond this subsistence living.

Again i advise you all to look at issues form the west objectively, i agree that the picture of Africa being portrayed is distorted but what are the options we Africa are giving to them, tomorrow if they show violent elections we would cry what are we seeing, in my opinion showing lekki does not capture the true standard of living of the average Nigeria (as the home videos do) that is movie anyway this is documentary and real life.

The middile class is growing in Nigeria thanks to the banking and telecoms industry, that needs to be expanded. The low income class deserve a right to a decent life, the day should come when the labourer, driver, factory workers, i dare say junior civil servants can afford a "human" life, this conditions are inhuman.

9ja4eva:
Do people really see Okotie as the Messiah?

TayoD:
@Jeshua,

How can your post be sound and illogical at the same time?

There is nothing wrong with comparng kris and Martin. Both were fighting for a cuase though using different medium. Okotie today runs a health insurance scheme for the poor in Nigeria, did martin do that? Okotie spoke against the evil of the rulers of his days, Martin did that as well. Instrumentalities may differ, but the purpose is the same.

I know and love Graham, but that is is opinion. Melzhizedek, a priest of the Most High God, whom the Bible declares forshadows Christ Jesus was an earthly king and a Priest at the same time. How on earth we conclude our Pastors can't do the same today is beyond me. The dual role isn't for everyone, but for those with the conviction, vision and the leading to do so.

buluti:
What has Obasanjo got to do with this issue? and whats your point exactly?

You say everyone is corrupt including oshimole? so what should we do

Jaybaba:
Somewhere sometime, someone has to stand up for good. The only necessary condition for evil to prevail over good is for good men to do nothing.

Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. left his pastoral job to campaign against black segregation that was the order of the day in the US. Months later J.F. Kennedy won the election and began to implement the wishes of the human rights activist. We all remember Martin Luther King Jr. today for his message - I HAVE A DREAM.

The African Americans at the time realised however their problem and identified with Martin Luther though not en mass. Today, they are enjoying the fruits and benefit of a free nation.

CHRIS OKOTIE in Nigeria is a true picture of that scenario in our Nigeria of today. We are besot with a multitude of problems and one of them is CONSPIRACY against the Nigerian people. Today, Chris Okotie has gotten up to bring a positive change to this country and his conviction is LIVE and GENUINE. So many people do not believe and must not be forced to agree with him or we that believe in his FRESH vision for Nigeria.

But know one thing , All the other political parties in Nigeria are involved in the CONSPIRACY against Nigerians , the common people on the streets. Chris Okotie is a modern day preacher/political reformer. His being a clergyman is a plus and not a setback. We must stop supporting moneybags and identify with persons and a party that intends to bring true CHANGE.

OKOTIE, I support you and the FRESH Team where the people truly come first.
God bless you and God bless the party.
God bless Nigeria

Beline:
I'm waiting for the day we will wake up and fight for our right

THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME BE ASSURED THAT THERE IS NO PEACE WITHOUT WAR, SO IF WE NEED PEACE WE MUST FIGHT FOR IT

MAY GOD HELP US ON THIS FIGHT

elampiro:
What happened in Edo state is a shame to Nigerian politics. I think Nigeria is operating a one party system. Apart from the likes of Tinubu and Kalu that have been able to wrestle with PDP, the whole country is heading towards one party state. This will kill the economy because there will be no opposition and there won't be transparency.

I am an Edo Guy and I reside in Benin City, so I witnessed every thing. When Adams announced last year that he was going to contest the election, he brought back hope to the people of Edo state. Many people who never registered or voted since Abiola (SDP) era, including myself went and registed. Last Saturday even very elderly people went to vote just to ensure the much needed change materialised. In the centre where I voted, after voting, many people waited to witnessed the counting. Adams (AC) scored 357 while Osunbor (PDP), scored 79. As we left the arena, we saw so many youths jubilating while returning from their various voting centres. From discussion, we knew that Adams won Benin by a very wide margin. Even in Ishan land the home town of PDP chieftain Tony Aneni and Adams rival in the election, Osunbor, AC was said to have won . Not to talk of Etsako where Adams came from. Your guess is as good as mine.

By Sunday morning when people left churches and discussed the election, it was clear that the electorate in Edo state had given perhaps 70% of the votes to Adams. But by evening time the PDP chieftains started boasting that their Oga (name withheld) has assured them that there is no way AC can be delared winner. Then panic consumed the land.

Then protest started early Monday morning even before results were released. Because Mr fix it of Nigerian politics had vowed that over his dead body would AC win his state.

The results wre announced yesterday at about 11.00 am. It is no longer news that Adams lost. The Edo youths took to the street. Women and girls too follwed. Those who could not follow were in a mournfull mood. The elderly people, youths, women, profs, etc who lined up under the heavy sun to vote had been fooled.

Now Edo people have realised that there is no opposition to PDP and has therefore decided to shun the presidential elections and others as well. Can Nigeria be great like this?

OLADEZY:
if u really want 2 knw, try OLABISI ONABANJO UNIVERSITY (OOU)

samsondavi:
The best university in Nigeria is university of Ibadan. AKA UI.

Seun:
Fighting.

Seun:
Can you supply a link to the topic in question? Thanks.