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MuttleyLaff:
"¹⁶And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever;
¹⁷Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seethHim not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."
- John 14:16-17





No one is getting personal with you, that's your imagination playing up tricks with you. It seems there something in what I presented, biblically above and typed about in the two quotes above, that you disagree with or dont accept, hmm?
1/ Are disagreeing with me that everyone receives the same gift of the Holy Spirit in the same measure and for the same purpose, hmm?
2/ Are you disagreeing, that it is possible to have the gift of the Holy Spirit, as in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit yet not be infilled with the Holy Spirit. I mean, not filled with the Holy Spirit, in the sense that because, the Holy Spirit, will only fill into what we surrender to Him or what we yield over to Him to fill into. Sometimes, the Holy Spirit is like an oversize cover throw, it essentially, can be bigger than our actual size, and so means, we need to buff up, as in, need to become more mature, to become stronger and more muscular, in order for the Holy Spirit to close-fittingly size us

It is exactly, what Paul, with 1 Corinthians 3:1 above is saying, some things he cant discuss with them because they are spiritual immature, spiritually weak and so need some growing up spritually to do.

"⁴There are different kinds of spiritual gifts, but the same Spirit is the source of them all. ⁵There are different kinds of service, but we serve the same Lord.
⁶God works in different ways, but it is the same God who does the work in all of us.
⁷A spiritual gift is given to each of us so we can help each other.
⁸To one person the Spirit gives the ability to give wise adviceb; to another the same Spirit gives a message of special knowledge.
⁹The same Spirit gives great faith to another, and to someone else the one Spirit gives the gift of healing.
¹⁰He gives one person the power to perform miracles, and another the ability to prophesy. He gives someone else the ability to discern whether a message is from the Spirit of God or from another spirit. Still another person is given the ability to speak in unknown languages, while another is given the ability to interpret what is being said.
¹¹It is the one and only Spirit who distributes all these gifts. He alone decides which gift each person should have."
- 1 Corinthians 12:4-11

The gift of the Holy Spirit is received first before the gifts of the Holy Spirit is added.

The body is worldly conscious and relates to the environment. The soul is self conscious and relates to self & others and the spirit is God conscious and relates to God. If one is worldly conscious and relates to the environment, relates to self & others to the exclusion of God, and is not God conscious nor relates to God, then such automatically cannot receive the Holy Spirit and not even the gifts of the Holy Spirit or the manifestation of the Holy Spirit

Spiritual gifts, rightly speaking, truly and really are manifestation of the Holy Spirit. As 1 Corinthians 12:4-11 above confirms, they are differing and according to the grace that is individually given to us. As I've previously said, the gift of the Holy Spirit is received first before the gifts of the Holy Spirit or spiritual gifts follows.

Nice piece . More like it. Just stay on topic

OLAADEGBU:
It's really sad that these followers of men, such as donnie, maestro21, petra1, Joagbaje et al, have been totally bewitched, only Jesus can deliver them.

Kini mo se fun e t'o n bu mi bayii . Why call me bewitched

MrPresident1:
Read Joagbaje.

Acts 20:31
Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

1 Thessalonians 5:6
Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

1 Peter 4:7
But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.

Kindly take it that I dont understand the verses. I need explanation on what it is to watch

LordReed:
"He respond to those who seek God" is such a farcical statement. How do you know something exists if you can neither demonstrate it or obtain evidence for it? This is the type of attitude 419ers want their victims to have and doesn't dispel any doubt.

The point is God will not be running after a hater to prove to him that he is God. He is not under such obligation .

Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

But if a man is in search for truth objectively God will help.


Jeremiah 29:13
And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

2Co 4:3 — 2Co 4:4
. . . But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

LordReed:
Been there, done that, still nothing.

Nothing in what sense

So the only thing the holy spirit does is speak through men

Nice, Holy spirit speaking through men is called prophecy. And that's a prove only God can do such. Especially when a through seeker of God experience it. He will fall down to worship God because the secrets of his heart are revealed. But a mocker will make light of it.

1 Corinthians 14:25
. . .The secrets of his heart are laid bare; and so, falling on [his] face, he will worship God, declaring that God is among you in very truth.

Can these miracles be reproduced without the so called holy spirit? The answers to these question already provide enough reasonable doubt as to the authenticity of these so called acts of the holy spirit.

Kindly give example of What kind of miracle can be done without the Holyghost

MuttleyLaff:
The gift of the Joly Spirit is available for anyone or all. If you arent filled to fit in it. It is either you're immature, as in it is oversized for you, but if you want argue, do it with Apostle Paul, not with me.

No need to get personal, just present your case biblically. There is difference between The Holyghost as a gift and The Gifts of the Holyghost . The Latter are manifestations of the formal.

But neither can be recieved by all men. Only believers can receive the in filling of the Holyghost and only those who have received the infilling of the Holyghost can receive manifestations of Gifts of the spirits.

LordReed:
Ask any believer to demonstrate spirit as independent of their body and they can't, instead they will indulge in all manner of mental gymnastics to say why they can't. If your holy spirit is real and affects anything in this world why do you need faith for it and why can't it be reasonably demonstrated?

If you want to see the demonstration of the spirit just simply go to a spirit filled church . You will see the manifestations of Gods spirit in prophecies and miracle healings.

But you can demand a proof from a believer. God doesn't respond mostly to such . He respond to those who seek God.

Mat 12:38 — Mat 12:39
Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it but . . ..

MuttleyLaff:
"Dear brothers and sisters, when I was with you I couldn’t talk to you as I would to spiritual people.
I had to talk as though you belonged to this world or as though you were infants in Christ."
- 1 Corinthians 3:1

The spirit of God is meant for every human being, only that for some, they cant have the spirit of God because they belong to the world or for others, they are infants in Christ, so the spirit of God, becomes like an oversized throw cover for them to put on (i.e. bigger than their normal size)

Receiving the holy ghost is faith work. It doesn't require spiritual maturity. One can receive the spirit as baby Christian's even at salvation

jesusjnr:
The Spirit of God was not meant for those of the world but those of God.

That's true, we may not necessarily try to prove God to sinners. They will make folly out of it.


1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned

OLAADEGBU:
I can now confidently say that you are a confirmed false prophet.



The person you claimed is 'mentally unstable' said that 'TB Joshua' learnt his trade from Professor Pella and this was confirmed by his son in the videoclip I posted above who affirmed the deception noted in his dramatic performances. There are also videoclips of Chris Oyakhilome partaking in Joshua's sin by deceiving the people. He even demonstrates his 'magic' in the same way and manner of 'TB Joshua' a fact that you cannot deny.



He even pays tithes to TB Joshua! All of you are under a spell and you need to believe the truth to be set free.


If you really studied the Bible you will know when your pastor is going astray but since you only follow pastor Chris and quote him instead of quoting the Bible you will always fall into the same pit.

One day you will see how wrong you have been brother. Have you heard false accusers shall arise. What is the proof they spoke truth. These are men . You based your judgement and condemnation on hearsay. How alarming .

OLAADEGBU:
Was your pastor Chris just invited to minister at the Synagogue? Was it not true true that he not only paid tithes there

Thats false information. Don't let men make you sin.

but also learnt how to perform 'magic' like Joshua?

Pastor Chris had been used of God in working miracles right from secondary school.

Wasn't you that that said Sunday Adelaja is my 'guy's' friend?

Didnt say so. He is you guys friend means " hes you people friend. Not "your guy friend

Maestro21:
This man has his own written books, yet decided to promote the ones of his spiritual father. That man is wise. He already knows it, but he will go far. This is genuine true humility.

Rightly said

MiddleDimension:
they WERE NEVER EXTINCT. WHATEVER HAS BECOME EXTINCT, LIKE SPECIES, CAN NEVER BE REBORN. WELL THAT'S BECAUSE THE GENETIC CODE, THAT IS THEIR GENOME, THE INSTRUCTION BOOK THAT CONTAINS ALL THE INFORMATION TO REPRODUCE THEM HAS BEEN LOST WHEN THE LAST OF THEM DIED! APART FROM CLONING, THERE IS NO OTHER WAY KNOWN TO MAN BY WHICH SPECIES CAN RE-EXIST AFTER IT HAD BECOME EXTINCT.

Ok As long as you get my point that's what matters . Their language ,nation and culture was no longer in existence


A for languages, they can be revived even though the last speaker of it died 1000 years ago if we still have their literatures around in different form and format. how is it possible that today, we can read the Egyptian hierogliphs? a language does not die if the last speaker dies.

as for the people of Israel, an analysis of their genes pool can prove to you that they are not entirely a semitic people anymore. what's semitic about David Ben Gurion? Albert Einstein, Neils Borr, Henry Kissinger, Golda Meir, Aharon Yariv, Ariel Sharon and Mike Harare? heck, the likes of Einstein and Niels Borr did not even speak Hebrew! Aharon Yariv and Golda Meir did not even have a Semitic name, not to talk of a Hebrew name. they had to change their names into Hebrew nanes for the Zionist cause. so you can't tell me an Isreal was revived when infact what you have there are actually ashkenazis, people who are in all definition, Europeans!

OK Back to the bible . They were no more a nation , another people have occupied the land . The name of the land had been changed to " The land of Palestine "

Psalms 83:4
They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation;
that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

This final phase was carried out by Ottoman empire I think. Israel was no more a nation . The world was remapped. Their name no longer existed. The people no longer existed on their land . When Ben Gurrion and others were considering a place for the surviving jews . They never had hope for Jerusalem not even in their wildest dream. They were considering other places they could go and settle . They thought even of being given a place in uganda .

But God prophesied that he would bring them back .

God also said they will become a nation at once in one day

Isaiah 66:8
Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things?
Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day?
or shall a nation be born at once?
for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children



Joel 3:1 
For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, 2 I will also gather all nations. . . and will plead with them there for my people and [for] my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land

when the arab nations who had surrounded the few returnees to eliminate them lost the fight the story turned around . The jews not only survived but captured their land which had been parted by neighbouring countries . It shook the world . They were declared a nation according to prophecy

NPComplete:
Israel was never extinct. Have the decency of not lying on this thread. You are supposed to be a Christian. Do u know the meaning of "extinct"?

They no longer existed on their land . The name of israel was wiped out from the map of the world
Now the map of the world had to be redrawn

Besides focus on the message

MiddleDimension:
the prophesies are not more accurate than a person of logic can predict. ''in the last days nations will rise against nations'' has been happening even before the time of Jesus. it is no sign of any end time. the quran also predicts something similar. why don't you believe in the quran then?

Has any extint nation or culture ever been rebirthed?

The bible predicted that israel will be extinct and dispersed after many years they will become a nation again. Even bible scholars didnt believe it could happen. But when this became a reality to the glare of the whole world . Little people fought and took their land back. Scholars were moved to tears . Tell the logic that can predict that.

Dorischuks:
Ikhide Ikheloa, popularly known as Pa Ikhide, has criticized Africans for still believing in the Bible and the 'White man's God.

The literary critic said the Bible "is a great work of fiction" and "a tool of oppression created by feuding brothers to oppress women, children, and the vulnerable."

He wrote on Facebook:



"Unpopular opinion: The bible is a great work of fiction, a tool of oppression created by feuding brothers to oppress women, children and the vulnerable. It is homophobic and racist and to the extent that white slave hunters prayed over captured warriors from West Africa with the bible before they were shipped off to be slaves, it boggles my mind that an African would look at that bible and not hiss in disgust. Their God looked away during the middle passage as millions of Africans perished during the slave trade. We had our own religion before the coming of the white man. What is wrong with us? We are our own slaves. Onugo of my people lives in me.

"Open your eyes. Nonsense.

"Good morning."



Read more here https://thickmatch.com/literary-critic-ikhide-ikheloa-criticizes-africans-still-believe-bible/

If the bible were a work of fiction how come the prophecies are so accurate. And the futuristic prophecies are getting confirmed by events today

Starting with the President of Uganda, Prophet urbert angel who is popularly called " The Father of The Prophetic Movement" distributes several christian books among which is 70,000 copies of rhapsody of realities

https://www.zimlive.com/2019/07/17/prophet-uebert-angel-feted-in-meeting-with-ugandan-leader-museveni/

OLAADEGBU:
My 'guy' is a friend to all. He has a large heart and can accommodate our differences. He is currently ministering to members of different churches on Wednesday as he is being invited. That Sunday Adelaja got converted through his television's ministry and invited him to minister in his church in Ukraine does mean that he is a partaker of this man's sins. He probably would have ministered to Adelaja just as the pastor Tuff in the OP did.

Your pastor kumuyi has large heart and can minister in any church but pastor Chris goes to synagogue by invitation as well he becomes evil . As the saying goes " OLA DOUBLE STANDARD

* note I wouldn't disrespect pastor kumuyi buy calling him "your guy" as you try to paint it. I said "you guys are friends" meaning you all are friends

OLAADEGBU:
You've been exposed big time. I can now see why you put your neck on the line for this false prophet

Wrong. I will do same as always for unjustified accusations in christ body.

, it is because your pastor Chris got initiated

Proof ? "Because someone said so" I can as well say " ola is initiated

by the false prophet and as a result brought you all into that covenant. A leader's sin is a leading sin.

Really ? So what' makes him a false prophet? Ola standard?

The bible should always be your standard not gossip, not religious view and not personal opinion.

OLAADEGBU:
We've heard that line before, try another one.

Below is the videoclip corroborating what the lady said in her interview. Watch it an set yourself free from mental/spiritual bondage.

Nothing new . Same old lies of the devil .I know you enjoy stories like these.
You're the one who need freedom from spiritual blindness dear.

MiddleDimension:
how trust worthy is your source? this looks like what i have seen in the End-Time Journal, the magazine published by a people who are so fraudulent, they cannot put their contact address on their own magazine, raising the question: ''are they a lisenced publisher''?

your source looks fake news source.

but you are a very smart man, i have seen that smartness in you already

these things truely happened and you don't find it on the world's leading media organizations? publishing a story means you are willing to stake your head for the authenticity of that story

Dont get personal. If you want truth ,search . Do your findings. You dont need to look too far . Even in Nigeria here there are a lot of such cases.

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What will Nigeria as a Whole benefit from this.[/quote]SALVATION

Proverbs 14:34
Righteousness exalteth a nation:

PLAN TO BE THERE
Strategic training for soulwinning
Impartation of the holy ghost
Intercession for the world
Burden for souls and passion for soulwinning will be stirred and rekindled

OLAADEGBU:
Will Europe's Third-Largest Church Punish Pastor for Multiple Affairs?
Sunday Adelaja loses leaders at Kiev's Embassy of God for not heeding their discipline.
JEREMY WEBER MAY 17, 2016 8:00 AM Will Europe's Third-Largest Church Punish Pastor for Multiple Affairs?

The controversial founder of one of Europe's largest Protestant churches is battling some in his church leadership over his reaction to multiple affairs.

Sunday Adelaja, a Nigerian pastor who leads the charismatic Embassy of the Blessed Kingdom of God for All Nations in the Ukrainian capital of Kiev, has admitted to having affairs with parishioners. The confession came one month after he posted a video on his blog titled "Sexual Sin Is Not Enough to Take You to Hell."

The female parishioners revealed the affairs to other area pastors, who then took the information public, according to the Council of Bishops of Christian Evangelical Churches of Ukraine. (English version here.) The leaders warned Ukrainian Christians about Adelaja, also noting previous allegations that he bilked investors of $100 million in a Ponzi scheme called King's Capital.

Earlier, a website called ZimEye claimed to have exposed Adelaja by having an undercover reporter pose as a "prophet" and secretly record a February phone call with the pastor. The elders of Embassy of God publicly dismissed the report as a prank.

"If you have listened to the audio recording which was fraudulently obtained, you will notice that Pastor Sunday never once admitted to any wrong doing as the caller was suggesting in his prophetic utterances," stated the elders. "It was the prophet that was rather putting words into Pastor Sunday’s mouth. If Pastor Sunday had anything to hide he would not have taken the call with his wife present."

The elders—which include Adelaja's wife Bose and three others—noted that Adelaja has already acknowledged that he "has had several sexual challenges and has by God's grace being able to overcome them."

"Pastor Sunday has always shared with the world that he is in a position to help minister to the world only because he himself has had his own share of trials including sexual trials, problems and victories," stated the elders.

Then last month, Adelaja confessed to the affairs at a meeting of more than 200 pastors. He was "defrocked" and removed from preaching (among other leadership duties) after confessing to "fornication," according to the Russian Union of Christians of Evangelical Faith (ROSHVE).

"Although we have had a long time to notice warning signs in the life and ministry of this man, what we talked about and to him personally and publicly in official statements of the Union, we did not want until the last moment to believe that there are such serious sins in his life," the Spiritual Board of ROSHVE wrote. They questioned whether Adelaja's affairs might have been covered up by those close to him.

"We have serious questions to the ministers, who were and are members of the Council of the Apostles and the elders of the church 'Embassy of God,' to the closest aides and deputies [of Adelaja], about their actions (or rather—of the criminal inaction) in this situation," the board wrote. "After all, the timely and rigorous exposure could prevent this tragedy!"

In a Russian-language press release on March 24, ROSHVE stated that Adelaja would enter a season of "recovery."

An Embassy of God administrator told CT that the church has not issued a public statement because it is "regarded as an inside matter." The administrator said Adelaja has voluntarily "decided to step down" for six months due to the recent accusations and the ongoing "strenuous lawsuit" over King's Capital.

He was also planning to move from Ukraine to Nigeria. "He needs this time to recuperate and prepare," said the administrator.

The six months would also be "enough time" for some critics within the church to "cool down and find answers."

But Adelaja's Facebook and blog have remained active, and neither they nor the church's website mentions the sabbatical.

Several of those close to him have accused him of thwarting attempts to help or discipline.

"I am not a professional psychiatrist, nor profess to be one, but you never addressed the sins you committed against those innocent women, many of which are married," wrote Ulysses Tuff, founder and pastor at The Way, The Truth, and The Life Christian Center in Georgia, to Adelaja in a letter obtained by CT. He has been Adelaja’s mentor since 1995.

"If I had to use words to describe and give a very general perspective about you, I would choose such words as hallucination of grandeur, narcissistic, or sociopathic behavior," Tuff continued.

"Yet, you said that according to 1 Cor. 2:2-10, everything you are going through is connected to your Apostleship," he wrote. "Not Paul, nor any of the apostles in preparation for apostleship were found to have defiled 20, 30, or more women (this number of women was what you said on my first night meeting with you, you also said there could be more, you don’t remember). It is damaging to the integrity and laws of scriptural interpretation, how you have twisted the scripture to paint a picture of your sainthood and my life as one that was so grievous."

Tuff said he was officially withdrawing himself as Adelaja's "spiritual father."

"It's true you have mastered the technique (voice control, communication skills, strategic planning, etc.), but what you have failed to recognize, like many others, is that what makes or breaks ministers is not teachings, but what goes on within your soul," he wrote.

Tuff declined further comment to CT.

Anatoly Belonozhko, who is a bishop at the Embassy of God, the director of its missionary centre, and the leader of the "spiritual church administration," announced his withdrawal from the Embassy of God last month.

"For 22 years of service at the Embassy of God, I went through a lot of different tests, and have always remained close to Pastor Sunday, pastors, ministers, and churches," he wrote. "I also stayed with Pastor Sunday in this last time, despite his fall, which strongly contradicts the Christian and my personal values."

But as the church elders began to "heal and restore" the church and Adelaja after he stepped down from leadership, Adelaja "in writing categorically rejected our help, humiliating us and saying that we have no power to tell him what to do and how to do it and that he knows how and what to do."

Adelaja accused the elders of being "intoxicated by power" and told them to let "me do what I need to do," according to Belonozhko.

"I talked to Pastor Sunday [after the affairs were revealed to church leadership in December], trying to help, remaining in the church in the most difficult time for all of us to save and restore the church and souls of men," he wrote. "But as I understand it—the pastor does not need my help. I clearly understand that my service in the Embassy of God has come to an end."

Last month, 11 evangelical leaders declared that since the church has not removed Adelaja from control, they are complicit in his sin. Sunday, the church, and any religious communities that remain in his sphere of influence "cannot be regarded as churches," since they "have turned away from the truth of the gospel," the leaders said.

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Adelaja's independent charismatic church, which he founded in 1994, is tied for the third-largest Protestant church in Europe, according to Leadership Network. He is considered one of the best examples of Nigeria’s exporting of fervent charismatic faith.

Adelaja left Nigeria for the USSR when he was 19 and newly born-again, according to his Facebook bio: "After communism persecution, he started a church in Kiev at age 27. By the age 33, the church was the biggest in the history of Europe, passing 15,000 members in year 2000."

The church just celebrated its 22nd anniversary.

"With all the attacks that I have and with all the criticism, I know that I will not be here forever," Adelaja told CT in a 2008 interview. Later that year, charismatic leaders in Ukraine accused him of operating King's Capital as a Ponzi scheme.

CT interviewed Adelaja for a 2008 cover story on Ukraine, which examined how Eastern Europe's most missional church was rethinking tradition and the Great Commission.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2016/may/will-embassy-of-god-punish-sunday-adelaja-multiple-affairs.html

That means hes coming home soon. No wonder hes be busy attacking Nigerian Pastors.

I thought he is you guys friend .

OLAADEGBU:
How T.B. Joshua initiated Chris Oyakhilome & Ugandan Pastor Kakande -- Evang. Bisola Johnson


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6HGHxZD8yc

Dont feed on lies brother. That lady has mental case.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzgyGWfYIjY

MiddleDimension:
Angels actually CAME FROM HEAVEN TO SLEEP WITH OUR WOMEN?

but at least that's human and human like being (which is how angels are depicted) coming together to procreate, assuming that story is true. i am talking about not just humans with our other cousins, but also goats and rams, horses and donkeys to produce a mule or a hinnie, depending on how you cross-breed them.


and i do not remember the place in the bible where we are told hybrid humans will be coming in the future

2 Samuel 23:20
And Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man, of Kabzeel, who had done many acts, he slew two lionlike men of Moab: he went down also and slew a lion in the midst of a pit in time of snow:

Many of the fairy tales we read have element of truths. Centaur. Story of gods , Greek gods . The reproduction between man and beast has demonic element involved. It has happened in the past and it will happen in the future on a larger scale according to the book of Revelation

In our present day . There have been cases of women giving birth to strange beings and animals . Most cases they were born dead . It's just a rehearsal and part of gradualism

https://www.naukrinama.com/stressbuster/10-bizarre-births-in-which-women-gave-birth-to-animals/

MiddleDimension:
if this story is true, what then does it tell us about the diversity of life? why should man, the image and likeness of god, be able to reproduce with an another Ape? or why should any other specie be able to reproduce with another one if they were separately made and intended to be so according to a divine plan?

Hybrid beings have always been in existence like the Giants of old in the bible . And the bible made us to know there will be hybrid beings in the future .

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paxonel:
where in Genesis?

Keep deceiving yourselves that Adam and Eve were the only humans God created.

On the contrary, Genesis 4:17 says Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch...

Have you ever asked yourself where did Cain saw his wife to marry her ?

Is the wife not having people?
Where do they came from?

They intermarried. There was no law against incest then

MiddleDimension:
please learn how there is no intelligent design in the body of a giraffe here.

haha, so much for intelligent design.

@joagbaje @donnie @ubenedictus @highered


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO1a1Ek-HD0

I will watch it now