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hensben:
It is true that mou did something extraordinary with teams like inter Milan and Porto. In terms of achievement mou>>pep due to the way the former achieved his.

Nobody is comparing mou and guardiola. If you say Mou is greater than guardiola, that's another argument entirely.

The koko on ground is that Mou didn't take difficult jobs at Chelsea, inter and Madrid you lots are painting for us

Expert17:
When 10 strong/big teams compete for a trophy....

And the weakest of the 10 ( remember 10 strong team's), wins the trophy....can we call this underdog?

not necessarily.
Chelsea before this season started in wasn't favorite to win the UCL. But they're definitely not underdogs.

If basaksehir win the UCL, then that's underdog winning it. Hope you get the point

hensben:
Barca won ucl in 2006, they had the players then it was just indiscipline from few players that resulted to the sack of rijkaard.

okayy... So guardiola that won ucl in 2009 didn't have a difficult job cos of the UCL they won in 2006.

But mourinho that won league in 2012 took a difficult job from same team that won it 2008.

Nice one, nice nice one

KingAlabi:
Na my vex be that, using terms you know nothing of.

Leicester is an underdog, Porto is an underdog
Ajax is an underdog.

As in eh...
We all know Leicester was underdog winning the league in 2016.
If arsenal had won that league in 2016, how will someone claim arsenal was underdog that season just because they last won the league over 10yrs oo.

Na only mou agenda must agend

hensben:
Thank God you use aside Porto. When will pep do his porto magic. Why is he running from jobs with strict policy and limited budget or from struggling teams.

What budget did pep has at barca 2008/2009 season? Especially seeing this same Barcelona finished 4th the previous season

hensben:
Why then are you guys now hailing pep for it. When will pep take over a task job.

Pep is hailed same way mourinho was hailed then. Cos they're winning trophies

Nobody claimed pep took over a difficult job. And nobody should say same for mourinho too wen we know it's not true

KingAlabi:
Don't kid yourself, this was Madrid before mou came in, e pays to talk carefully

As in, the way dey downgrade that Madrid ehn... Someone will think Mou took over Villarreal

BlueMann:
Lol. Not to wade in your Ole/Jose argument, but Hensben has a point with the team/club statement.

'As a club' refers to the overall pedigree. So it wouldn't make much sense to refer to a team of Real Madrid's pedigree as underdogs.

But 'as a team' probably refers to the team's form at that particular time. So it's possible that based on their performances that season or that period - and also based on the performances of the other clubs - you could refer to them as underdogs.

I'm not saying Real Madrid WERE infact underdogs in the Champions League campaign you guys are talking about. Just saying the 'as a team/as a club' argument, on it's own, makes sense.


So that Chelsea question wey u ask no follow

You can't have world class players and still be termed "underdogs " Granted, you might not be termed favorite to win the UCL but you're definitely not underdogs.

Even PSG or 3-4 seasons ago aren't underdogs. Even man city of 2012/13 wasn't underdog wen they finished 3rd in the group. Do you know what "underdog" means?

Expert17:
They went 3 seasons without winning La liga despite signing World best winners Kaka and CR7.....tell me why?

Loads of galatico signing? why going 3 years without winning the league??

You are looking at Table, that table won't tell you how dominant Barcelona was.

2009- 2014, that's the best Barcelona side in history ( not forgetting Messi) so calm down.

So because man city is dominating, if they give klopp the budget of USA and Russia, it'll be a difficult job to win the league from man city?
Lmao

KingAlabi:
Yee!!!!!

Na true na.

Na only person wey head dey touch go blame ole for wetin pogba talk to press

Expert17:
Wow, will Mourinho make top 20 in all time best coach?




Winning the league that year was difficult, Barcelona was on fire, winning all available trophies......
There was a reason Madrid went 3 years without winning it despite signing 2 ex -world best(Kaka and CR7) and other big names





It is difficult, if not we should have upto 10 managers with 3 EPL trophies


Go to our trophy cabinet, community shield is there.



OLE losing 3 semi-finals with better players and experienced Woodward shows winning trophies @ Man utd is difficult.



Mourinho has 25 trophies in 21 years of management, so what'supp with this complains.

No one is complaining. Mourinho is a top coach at his prime, I give him that.

But let nobody say Mou did the almost impossible thing to win the things he did aside Porto. That's what I'm saying

handelex:
Did he even make the CL quarters with United when qualified through the back door, no be Sevilla dump am out for R16 at Old Trafford.

When last did Mou make the CL Quaters sef....

champions league now na taboo for mou oo.

Na Europa or burst now for mou. Just shattering all the good works poch did while still looking for rats in the process

handelex:
He loves taking difficult jobs my ass

big time. I just dey look illimita.ble dey laff as e dey yarn dat dust. At least it's expected of him

But seeing hes.ben buying that crap na wetin vex me

KingAlabi:
Lolz, he has his first difficult job, win the premier with Tottenham, but top 4 don turn mission impossible

leave them. If to say sheik monsour buy Tottenham now and mourinho buys mbabbe halaand, Bellingham and other top and world class players. They'll start Raving how he won with Tottenham who has won league since inception. Oya use your ingenuity win league with Kane and son that's difficult for poch..
Mba!!!

Even top4 don turn Master degree program

hensben:
Your first paragraph, Chelsea have never won the league for 50 years before mou came, he got Man U and Arsenal to contend with.

Your second paragraph, he won ucl with inter Milan.

Third paragraph, with those players yet Madrid was struggling to make it past r16 in ucl for good 6 years. Mou made the team formidable again by making 3 semis. In all this, Kaka was always injured and out of form.

How do you expect him to win the league when the environment became toxic for him, including ex players interfering in his job. Now they are quiet since Ole one of their own is in charge.

money with the budget of a country can solve that. That's the reason man city are top now and mancini won with man city with such budget. Any top coach can do what mou did. If it was even klopp league win at Dortmund I for agree.


When you have nobody competing with you in the league, a top coach can always go far in champions league. Anytime a league is competitive, mou can never win the champions league. Reason he never reached a final in England in UCL. The only time he won a European cup in England, he has to drop out of top 4

It happens. Man city was dominating the league with guardiola still getting knocked out with Monaco and Lyons of the world. But nobody with his right thinking mind will always call man city underdogs. Do you even know what underdog means?

So it's only man u there's toxicity?
With good striker like lukaku, mkhitaryan, pogba et al. Yet na 6th and 8th he can get with those squads with his 2 out of 3 seasons there.

Ogbeni... My stance is Mourinho was a top coach and he won trophies. Fine

But don't overplay his achievement like say na small clubs him use win all those trophies (aside Porto at least)

KingAlabi:
Na only carabao cup mou get hope for

Chia!!!

When his mates in the semi in Europe

leave them...

Pochettino took Tottenham to champions league final while always securing top4. He on his way to another champions league final with only man city on his way with another top 4.

Ordinary top4 we dey beg mou to get, at least to preserve poch legacy, but kolewerk.
If we ask am to reach champions league final nko?

KingAlabi:
That's what he is known for
I am not surprised

I just tire ooo.
Person go shout difficult job, someone will think he used Everton to win league in England, Sevilla in Spain and fiorentina in Italy.
Mtcheww

Expert17:
86 games unbeaten at home (@Chelsea) is difficult.

150 games unbeatenn at home (9 years -2002-2011) is difficult.



I have more for you

so is no longer trophy but records?
Amala turning?

KingAlabi:
Na only ment Sha
Finally you can hardly see a wolf alone.

Mehn...

Expert17:
Having the same EPL trophies with Arsene Wenger(despite staying for 20+ years) is difficult.

Winning Europa League and UCL with FC Porto is difficult.

Winning the league with just 15 goals conceded is difficult.

Winning treble with Inter Milan is difficult.

Winning 2 EPL trophies in his first 2 years is difficult.

Winning all trophies associated with club football is difficult.

Winning the league with Real Madrid is difficult. (Considering Messi and Barcelona form, also ending Madrid 3 years without league trophy run)

Winning 3 trophies with Man utd is difficult ( until OLE wins a semi-final and a trophy )

Respect Mourinho abeg

Who is not respecting mourinho?
But let nobody overplay his achievement here abeg.

Winning the league with Madrid is not difficult abeg
Madrid was winner as at 2008. They were mostly 2nd(if not always) as at 2009 before mou won it in 2012. Meaning just 3 seasons of hustling it with barca. Not as if Madrid is one Sevilla or Villarreal that he won it with barca with.

Having same trophy with Wenger is not difficult. Wenger was done and dusted as at 2008. And any top manager will equal Wenger. A guardiola or klopp will still top Wenger in that era.

How is winning 3 trophies (wait you even included community shield?)with man u difficult? Van gaal won fa cup before mourinho came in. So how's winning trophy with man u difficult for an elite manager?

See mourinho is a top manager and he's expected to win trophy just as people expect klopp and guardiola to win trophy. But now saying man u is a small club and mourinho won trophy with them is absolute bogus trash

KingAlabi:
So your saying when Madrid got knocked out by Ajax they were the underdogs too ?

Madrid was underdogs you don't know.
As Roma knocked out underdog barca too incase you've forgotten.

Na only for nairaland we dey learn new meaning of words

eph12:
So mourinho is done at top level?

Yes, he's done at top level.
Let him go and manage national team or sort.
Present mourinho can't win any league in any competitive league again. Except he coaches Bayern or PSG

hensben:
Thats a trait of a great man, he is not afraid to take a difficult job unlike pep that demand unlimited spending before taking a job for fear of failure.

Which difficult job?
Taking over Chelsea at 2004/05 with Abrahamovic money is a difficult job?


Taking an inter job with only inter as the superior due to juve relegated and Milan deducted massive points is a difficult job? (With both juve and Milan massively declined)

Madrid with world class players having kaka and c Ronaldo (two world best and world class players in their prime) plus other world class players having just only barca to contend with, is a difficult job?

Having spurs job after being jobless for a year is a difficult job?

Tomorrow if spurs sack mourinho and Brighton employs him, you'll start saying how he loves difficult job at Brighton.


The only difficult job he has was man u, that is to make man u win the league with guardiola and, klopp in the league already. But my man has to finish 6th in the league in order to win Europa. Finished 2nd and start raving how finishing 2nd is better than slice bread. The next season again, he's also out of top 4. Meaning he spent just 1 season in top 4 in man u. But of course, he's the king cos he won Europa that guardiola will never think of, or carabao cup that is just an add-on for guardiola trophy.

The worst is that, you guys are even calling community shield trophy for mourinho.
How low... Chai

KingAlabi:
At that time
Oga Madrid can never be an underdog in a UCL.

I can agree illimit.able is talking trash just to prove point. But seeing someone backing him?? Madrid underdog in ucl?

For example, Same Madrid that has kaka, c. Ronaldo and benzema. at least is underdog at 2009/2010 UCL season?

daveP:
Chuks aka SmackDant is too good and will give Tierney issues. Both are good. But Villareal go be like what Granada was to Man U on two legs. Very slick but no end game.

I think Villareal's defense should rather watch out for the fantastic 4 youngsters in attack. They can't handle.

To be very honest, I'm not to afraid of chukwueze. Granted he's talented but I still feel he's still to raw for that completeness needed in a good player (noted I said good not great). I'm more wary of Emery's tactics than Chuks himself

Moreover, Tierney might be probably out of the season, so unfortunately, Chuks isn't meeting him

daveP:
i mean praises for the Slavia win o. Lol. As for the 3 games left. Until i see that 8dimensional Trophy in Auba's arms, aint raising any hopes.


Heck twill look great in Xhaka's

Lol... That's the koko oooo.
To win that europa

afrodoc:
He is one of your sure bankers. He needs a manager who will place him in a position to succeed. Also needs to be played in a particular position more frequently to avoid becoming a utility player.
Same thing with Saka. Injuries are threatening to derail Martinelli.

Yes bro. I feel he's just fortunate cos Arteta sees him as an AM or just these Am shunted out wide for creativity. So hopefully, he's on the right path in terms of growth.

I'm afraid for martinelli a bit, and I think Arteta is preserving him so that injury doesn't finish him before his time. Also I see him as a winger, but sources says Arteta sees him as a 9. I feel he's to small(in stature for that role). What's your thought?

KingAlabi:

What will be will be I can't kill myself

iamoyindamola:
Arteta should be careful, ebening will be out for blood
2 aways goals should do the trick, Villarreal hardly score but I'm concern about chukwueze

Lol.. Both teams will be out for blood.
I just hope our team are up for it.

patrickmuf:
This una ESR na low key KDB...I enjoy watching him play. He doesn't hang onto the ball unnecessarily, he just keeps the play moving and almost every time, forward...

Perfect description.
You know him well. Surprisingly, even his colleagues (e.g saka) do call him Kev(for Kevin de bruyne)

I just love his game, he's always aware of his surrounding, he already knows who he wants to pass to before the ball gets to him and he doesn't hangs on to the ball for long. I just hope he grows and improves for us

iamoyindamola:
The guy turn to Messi and kdb in a second

Lol... I swear

KingAlabi:


Emery to make my dreams come true

No go think about As Roma