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BlueMann:
Make VVD and Alisson come settle this matter, because which kain wahala be this

raumdeuter:
Barcelona was destroyed 8-2 in July, Morata and co did their in December same year about 4 months later

is it the same season?
Like I said, barca was having a winning streak in champions league.before they met juve in camp nou. That doesn't tell me of a team in crises in cl

raumdeuter:
If VVD wasn't conceding 7 goals earlier in the season maybe they will still be race now

They were still in the title race till vvd left and Alison came

raumdeuter:
Has Allison conceded 7 goals yet like VVD?

Has Vvd lost more points yet like Allison?

timbros:
How can the below be facts...



And this is not fact?...



Is there something I am missing?

Yes, there's something you're missing

Vvd in over 2yrs at Liverpool haven't lost 3 straight matches, nor lost at home in the league, not to talk of 3 straight.

That's fact and that proves that if vvd had been in that back line, they wouldn't have lost 3 straight matches.

2years is enough time to use as sample. Correct me if I'm wrong

airmark:
Even Alisson confirmed VVD's influence in the team but our brothers here, Timbros and Raumdeuter thought Alisson was stupid.

Allison is good no doubt, but even his confidence has waned such that he's seeing ball that's meant for kabak, but he's fighting for it.

That's what lack of confidence and trust does. And that's what Vvd brings

raumdeuter:
When VVD was leading them to 7 goals loss shows how influential he is

Allison leading them out of title race as early as Feb tells us how influential vvd is

raumdeuter:
When it really mattered vs Aston Villa in September what was the result

And since then, Allison have been casting all their "when it mattered most" matches that they're even in danger of losing out of top 4 totally

raumdeuter:
Liverpool was the CL defending champion while Barcelona was recently flogged 8-2

Recently, was last season. Any result from the previous season is inconsequential.

What matters is that spineless morata-led attack walloped barca.

Anyways, aside R.Madrid, how many defending champions haven't been beaten in recent times?

raumdeuter:
With VVD last season Man city beat Liverpool 4-0

You are saying football is not mathematics but you also know for certain that a defender who led a team to concede 7 goals will not concede 14

That's not a crucial match. They can lose 10-0 from that match downwards, it wouldn't matter.

When "it real mattered most", Liverpool won 3-1

airmark:


What a time to be alive.

3 consecutive league losses including home losses. Never happened with VVD marshalling that defence, but nincompoops will say he is a traffic warden.


VVD gave confidence to everyone in that defence. It is now confirmed.

If this season doesn't prove how influential and instrumental vvd is, I don't know what season then

raumdeuter:
Barcelona was in ruins and Juventus had Ronaldo

Liverpool were supposed to be great and Atletico didn't have a GOAT

But barca have messi too So the two goats even out. So spineless morata-led attack still walloped barca. Barca were in crises yet they didn't lose a game in cl before the meeting in camp nou. In fact, it's the first time in decades barca finished 2nd, all because of spineless morata.

Liverpool were supposed to be great, but athletico was already a great team. Athletico don't have a GOAT same as Liverpool

raumdeuter:
If with VVD they are conceding 7 to ordinary aston villa, how much would city and Leicester have scored on VVD

Football no be mathematics. That Aston Villa scored 7 against vvd-led defence doesn't mean that Man city will beat Liverpool 14-0.

With vvd, Liverpool haven't lost to Manchester city at anfield.

Just one season vvd no dey, Liverpool open leg like waaaaaah for Manchester city

raumdeuter:
Atletico with the spineless Morata beat them home and away with VVD in attendance

Lol... Even the spineless morata beat barca at camp nou this season.

It's all about the team. Athletico is a good team with or without morata

timbros:
And miracles don't happen in football?

If Alisson was in the match against Aston Villa, the score would have been Aston Villa 0-2 Liverpool.

Facts.

We're dealing with facts and that's not fact.

Without Allison.. Vvd conceded 7 goals in a match(just once).

Without vvd... Allison lost 3 straight home matches and 3 straight matches on different occasions.

I know who I'll choose

timbros:
You can't say it's facts when you don't have evidence to prove it. That's mere speculation. I can tell you that if VVD was in the team during this rough patch, they would have lost more. Like 6 matches back to back.

it's facts already.
Since his debut over 2yrs, he hasn't lost at anfield in the league. It would be a miracle to lose three 3 matches at anfield with vvd in that defence.

raumdeuter:
Liverpool will never concede 7 goals with Allison in goal

Facts

True!

But I prefer conceding 7-2 once in a season and winning most of my matches than not conceding 7-2 in a season and going on to lose 3 straight matches and 3 straight home matches on different occasions same season.

I know the one that will move me up the table.

raumdeuter:
Where was this leader when Aston Villa and Atletico were running over them

Aston Villa, I might agree to the bants. But athletico? Come on,
Athletico is a top club. You can't use that to berate Vvd

timbros:
Na this leadership talk dey make me spank airmark head for Aston Villa 7-2 Liverpool

Who was the leader in that match?

Vvd of course is the leader.
And that 7-2 is a one-off.

But the facts is Liverpool will not lose 3 straight matches with vvd at the back line neither will they lose 3 straight home matches with vvd at the back line.
#Facts!!

timbros:
That is the problem with the VVD hype. You stated it here yourself that other CBs are missing also. Then why VVD? Are Gomez and Matip useless?

Liverpool have injury crisis. Period. Don't single out VVD.

Vvd is the leader so it's understandable. Matip was there with lovren wen they were conceding goals and was almost regarded as flop before vvd arrival.

Not saying others are useless, but vvd is the most instrumental in that backline

timbros:
Yes. Exactly.

It will be better for him to come out and clear the ball rather than be in a 1 v 1 situation.

We have seen countless situations where defenders shade whoever is behind them to allow their keepers make a clearance.

In this case, Kabak doesn't have to shade anybody. Just allow your keeper make the clearance. I will only blame Alisson if he didn't communicate Kabak.

Fair enough..

iamJ:
the way liverpool system was, each player was a part of that engine

Let me give you a video to watch on how they select their players, they use maths to pick players, a player can get very efficient doing a particular thing but it doesn't mean that the player is intelligence or world class

Despite all mane did, I always felt that he wasn't complete

This was the same reason they gave when vvd went to injury. Now the said system isnt helping the defence not to lose games left right and center. That said system was leaking goals before vvd came to settle it. And Allison completed the work.
That said system made Liverpool to be losing games wen mane went for nations cup, and picked back up wen he came back.

I'm hoping let salah and mane go to injury lemme see the players that will fit into the system again .

Anyways, I'll be waiting for the video, lemme see what it contains

timbros:
Valid point.

I can argue that if that was Henderson, he will allow Alisson to make that clearance.

For Alisson to have committed himself coming out that far, he must have calculated the risk and was confident of clearing that ball.

Or maybe he was afraid that kabak might miss the ball and he(Allison) doesn't want to risk one on one

Cos the place is too far for a goalkeeper's liking, esp wen it's not a counter catching the defence off guard

timbros:
Thank you for this video. I don't know how to post videos here. I have been watching it over and over in YouTube.

The only blame I will have for Alisson is if he didn't communicate Kabak.

If he did, the entire blame is on Kabak. Did you see that Kabak curved his run at the last second just to meet up with his clearance. But Alisson was coming straight to clear the ball. That incident happened just in front of the penalty area so don't tell me Alisson came out too much. It's within areas keepers usually come out to make clearances.

Watching the clip, I'll blame Allison.
I just feel Allison doesn't trust kabak enough for him(Allison) to make that stupid decision

iamJ:
I said it maybe not on this thread but I have never regarded mane as a world class player, he was like giggs, efficient at what he is told to do but beyond that parameter, useless

Mane might not be world class, but he's never average (bar this season). Before salah, he was their Go-to man. I remember the time he went for nations cup, Liverpool didn't win a game(up for scrutiny tho). Immediately Senegal was eliminated(in q/f), Liverpool sent private jet to pick him up quickly.
Liverpool is a top club, and they can't do that to an average player.

Maybe, just maybe, the standard of your average player "bar" is high, else I don't know how he fits average player billing

iamJ:
I have never rated mane or firmino, they were always average to me

Liverpool was a team that operated like an engine, the players weren't special but they worked well together, salah gave them that X factor, he can score a goal when things aren't going well out of nowhere

I blame klopp, he tinkered with that midfield too much, he had a good balance buy buy and now see how the team is

You never said all these things like two seasons back when mane was very hot. It's now mane is floundering you know he's average at best

sod09:
We should start odegaard and ESR
With only xhaka as DM we don't need to defend much
Attack and attack
Auba saka and martinelli should start

exactly.
This is my thoughts too

mostob:
Auba would have been a good option had Tierney been fit. However, I'll go with Martinelli, Pepe and Saka as the front three...Xhaka, Elneny(shrugs) and Odegaard as the Midfield trio.. Luiz and Mari in Defence. Laca and Auba to come in later.

why can't we start xhaka odegaard and ESR in midfield?

Also for your top 9, who will play it?

KingAlabi:
Predict our own first na im dey sure pass

Just chill first lemme listen to the gods

KingAlabi:
Chia no party today
Tomorrow 7:30pm is the time

You want make I predict una score again abi??

Last week wailing never tire you

KingAlabi:


Low-key pogba is still the English league record fee if I am not mistaken

True... But it's just like saying van dijk fee isn't high cos it's not up to Maguire.

You reason am na

KingAlabi:


I hate wey person dey discredit were credit should be given

I really had to use assanal

Be kiaful oo.

No be all explanations dey need example.