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Venezuela’s President Hugo Chavez, who is criticized by media freedom groups, called on Saturday for regulation of the Internet and singled out a website that he said falsely reported the murder of one of his ministers.
“The Internet cannot be something open where anything is said and done. Every country has to apply its own rules and norms,” Chavez said. He cited German Chancellor Angel Merkel as having expressed a similar sentiment recently.
Chavez is angry with Venezuelan political opinion and gossip website Noticierodigital, which he said had falsely written that Diosdado Cabello, a senior minister and close aide, had been assassinated. The president said the story remained on the site for two days.
“We have to act. We are going to ask the attorney general for help, because this is a crime. I have information that this page periodically publishes stories calling for a coup d’etat. That cannot be permitted.”

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62D05I20100314

Note that the building came down internally on one side first before the entire building came down. The floors on the east side at the top of the building disappered as the internal structure on the east side gave way. This is visible in all videos and pictures of the building during collaspe.
The east side of the building took a lot of damage from the collaspe of the second trade center building which started fires several floors deep.

Quote from: john_blaze on March 10, 2010, 11:27 PM
lets stick to the issues


Can you please explain the circumstances surrounding the collapse of WTC 7(building 7)?


This has already been done in your other thread. Remember it? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-409216.32.html

I gave you this link. I knew it was pointless to give it to you since you don't really care about actual science. However, for arguments sake, here is the link again.
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/WTC%20Part%20IIC%20-%20WTC%207%20Collapse%20Final.pdf

If you require a summary. http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_qa_082108.html

More info for you to sink your teeth into. Don't be shy. Give one of these links a good read.
http://sites.google.com/site/911guide/danielnigro

@mairory

I read the links you provided earlier,one thing that first struck me was they were mostly government based website. After reading it for hours I was surprised you were unable to see flaws all over it. I would like to draw your attention to some of them.

What caused the fires in WTC 7?
Debris from the collapse of WTC 1, which was 370 feet to the south, ignited fires on at least 10 floors in the building at its south and west faces. However, only the fires on some of the lower floors—7 through 9 and 11 through 13—burned out of control. These lower-floor fires—which spread and grew because the water supply to the automatic sprinkler system for these floors had failed—were similar to building fires experienced in other tall buildings. The primary and backup water supply to the sprinkler systems for the lower floors relied on the city’s water supply, whose lines were damaged by the collapse of WTC 1 and WTC 2. These uncontrolled lower-floor fires eventually spread to the northeast part of WTC 7, where the building’s collapse began.

ok,fine debris from wtc 1 ignited fires in wtc 7, and building 7 burnt for 7 hours before coming down. So you mean to tell me you believe this?
Do you know the distance between WTC 1 and buidling 7?
How can fires brought about from WTC 1 spread to WTC 7 and subsequently lead to the[b] horizontal[/b] collapse of WTC 7?

How did the fires cause WTC 7 to collapse?
The heat from the uncontrolled fires caused steel floor beams and girders to thermally expand, leading to a chain of events that caused a key structural column to fail. The failure of this structural column then initiated a fire-induced progressive collapse of the entire building.

According to the report’s probable collapse sequence, heat from the uncontrolled fires caused thermal expansion of the steel beams on the lower floors of the east side of WTC 7, damaging the floor framing on multiple floors.

Eventually, a girder on Floor 13 lost its connection to a critical column, Column 79, that provided support for the long floor spans on the east side of the building (see Diagram 1). The displaced girder and other local fire-induced damage caused Floor 13 to collapse, beginning a cascade of floor failures down to the 5th floor. Many of these floors had already been at least partially weakened by the fires in the vicinity of Column 79. This collapse of floors left Column 79 insufficiently supported in the east-west direction over nine stories.

The unsupported Column 79 then buckled and triggered an upward progression of floor system failures that reached the building’s east penthouse. What followed in rapid succession was a series of structural failures. Failure first occurred all the way to the roof line—involving all three interior columns on the easternmost side of the building (79, 80, 81). Then, progressing from east to west across WTC 7, all of the columns failed in the core of the building (58 through 78). Finally, the entire façade collapsed.



b]The heat from the uncontrolled fires caused steel floor beams and girders to thermally expand, leading to a chain of events that caused a key structural column to fail. The failure of this structural column then initiated a fire-induced progressive collapse of the entire building.
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C'mon!! dont tell me you believe this as well

Heat from the uncontrolled fires caused steel floor beams and girders to thermally expand which lead to a structural collapse. One question you should ask yourself is has this type of incident ever happened before in history?

Give me a break!!

How did the collapse of WTC 7 differ from the collapses of WTC 1 and WTC 2?
WTC 7 was unlike the WTC towers in many respects. WTC 7 was a more typical tall building in the design of its structural system. It was not struck by an aircraft. The collapse of WTC 7 was caused by a single initiating event—the failure of a northeast building column brought on by fire-induced damage to the adjacent flooring system and connections—which stands in contrast to the WTC 1 and WTC 2 failures, which were brought on by multiple factors, including structural damage caused by the aircraft impact, extensive dislodgement of the sprayed fire-resistive materials or fireproofing in the impacted region, and a weakening of the steel structures created by the fires.

The fires in WTC 7 were quite different from the fires in the WTC towers. Since WTC 7 was not doused with thousands of gallons of jet fuel, large areas of any floor were not ignited simultaneously as they were in the WTC towers. Instead, separate fires in WTC 7 broke out on different floors, most notably on Floors 7 to 9 and 11 to 13. The WTC 7 fires were similar to building contents fires that have occurred in several tall buildings where the automatic sprinklers did not function or were not present.



b]WTC 7 was unlike the WTC towers in many respects. WTC 7 was a more typical tall building in the design of its structural system. It was not struck by an aircraft. The collapse of WTC 7 was caused by a single initiating event—the failure of a northeast building column brought on by fire-induced damage to the adjacent flooring system and connections—which stands in contrast to the WTC 1 and WTC 2 failures, which were brought on by multiple factors, including structural damage caused by the aircraft impact, extensive dislodgement of the sprayed fire-resistive materials or fireproofing in the impacted region, and a weakening of the steel structures created by the fires.[/b]

See for yourself!! it even acknowledge that there was a difference. Building wasnt even struck by a plane yet it collapse as if it was struck by one. Fires from WTC 1 spread to WTC 7 and triggered a structural collapse!!! which kind fire be that? Fire that resulted in an asymetrical collapse of a building. My brother please re-examine this.Dont tell me you believe everything the government tells you?

Why did WTC 7 collapse, while no other known building in history has collapsed due to fires alone?
The collapse of WTC 7 is the first known instance of a tall building brought down primarily by uncontrolled fires. The fires in WTC 7 were similar to those that have occurred in several tall buildings where the automatic sprinklers did not function or were not present. These other buildings, including Philadelphia's One Meridian Plaza, a 38-story skyscraper that burned for 18 hours in 1991, did not collapse due to differences in the design of the structural system.

Factors contributing to WTC 7’s collapse included: the thermal expansion of building elements such as floor beams and girders, which occurred at temperatures hundreds of degrees below those typically considered in current practice for fire-resistance ratings; significant magnification of thermal expansion effects due to the long-span floors in the building; connections between structural elements that were designed to resist the vertical forces of gravity, not the thermally induced horizontal or lateral loads; and an overall structural system not designed to prevent fire-induced progressive collapse.



Why did WTC 7 collapse, while no other known building in history has collapsed due to fires alone?
The collapse of WTC 7 is the first known instance of a tall building brought down primarily by uncontrolled fires. The fires in WTC 7 were similar to those that have occurred in several tall buildings where the automatic sprinklers did not function or were not present. These other buildings, including Philadelphia's One Meridian Plaza, a 38-story skyscraper that burned for 18 hours in 1991, did not collapse due to differences in the design of the structural system


Imagine!! they even acknowledge this is the first time it is happening . Please re-examine it yourself

finally, I want you to know that I respect your views. I cannot impose my views on you its simply not possible. Everybody cannot reason the same way. I believe the official government publication regarding was a fraud, and I have tried to pin point some of the lacuna in their publication.

This topic is racist or at the vey least, promotes racist feelings about the first BLACK president of the USA. Your posts taken together, seem to be a systematic attempt to promote hatred against Obama.

Are you a racist?

If you feel my posts are racist, well thats your view!!!
You are entitled to your own opinion.
Next time you see any of my racist comments like you described simply ignore it.

Next!!

lets stick to the issues


Can you please explain the circumstances surrounding the collapse of WTC 7(building 7)?

lets stick to the issue

If you have reasonable comments to my post, you are welcome

condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance, ,, ,.,.,,.,, Albert Einstein

In August 1951 a small French village near Marseilles became a part of CIA funded experiment with drugs. As a result 500 people were affected, there were at least three suicides and 40 people were taken to a nearby psychiatric institute. That’s according to Hank Albarelli, an American writer who spent over ten years looking into who was behind the secret tests. RT’s Marina Portnaya met the author in New York.

http://www.infowars.com/author-claims-cia-still-testing-drugs-on-people/

I can be satisfied if i am convinced.

My comments are reasonable, it stops you from asking silly questions and killing this section.

I can't ignore you, you are ruining my Nairaland experience.

ok, since you said you comments are reasonable.

Can you please explain the circumstances surrounding the collapse of WTC 7(building 7), note that I am not talking about the twin towers which you claimed where claimed where brought down as a result of fires from the planes.

Your inablity to read and comprehend is your problem. TayoD already asked you to read around and know the meaning of freefall and its application in the context you are using I wonder if you ever did.

If you can use google to get anti-western news, you can use it to find real facts on the matter too. Here is just a simple way:

Open google

In Google, type in "911 debunked" "facts of 911"

Press enter

Read the various link provided/look at photograhps.



Alternatively, if you find reading too much information can be difficult to absorb, use the same steps described above but in YOUTUBE.

That should keep you busy for a long time.

Its quite unfortunate how you respond to issues. This is how you go round insulting and attacking people. The way a person responds to issues says alot about his personality. If this is how you respond to issues then is unfortunate.

Did I address the comments to you?
Why the hating!!!
I have told you times without number if you dont like my comments simply ignore it. Or dont you understand what[b] ignore[/b] means?

Anyway I refuse to be distracted. if you have any[b] reasonable [/b]comments, you are welcomed

What is yours so far in the thread you have posted?

When pressed in a corner, your reply is usually "let assume blah blah blah but how come wtc7 was in freefall like Usain bolt as you counted the seconds."

WTF

I asked for a contribution or dont you know what a [b]contribution [/b]is?

Israel have point. No one have been indefiance of the UN and the atomic community more since Saddam.

In some ways, this is putting pressure indirectly on Iran so as to make them comply. I suppose Iran will worry about the security threats from outside and will constantly look over her shoulder.

On the other hand, the lack of support from China and Russia is larely motivated by Politics - need to be see as playing on the world stage and partly due to trade. All in my opinion off course.

you are right!!

ok, lets assume the Japanese politician was wrong and that fires from the plane did bring down the twin towers. However how do you explain what happened to building 7(WTC 7) considering the fact it wasnt hit by a plane or even fire but collapsed just like the twin towers. How do you explain that?

^
Can't you answer a simple question without losing your cool? I'm simply asking, "Are you promoting racist viewpoints here?"
Simples!

I am not promoting any racist view point. Just asking a question. Do you have any contribution to make?

@beaf and elrazur

If you are not comfortable with my post just ignore it.

What part of ignore don't you understand

If you want to contribute, please you are welcome, if not ignore the post.

The question is "Is obama's birth certificate a forgery"?

Top politicians too can be crackpots, like Mr. Yukihisa Fujita clearly is.

So for the fact that the Japanese politician believes 9/11 was an inside job makes him a crackpot?

@elrazur and beaf

If you guys do not have any meaniful contribution is it not best, you ignore the post?

If my post doesnt make sense to you, just ignore it

its as simple as that

Russia Today
March 8, 2010
The legitimacy of Barack Obama’s presidency is being questioned by a group of American activists. They claim he shouldn’t be in the seat of power – alleging he wasn’t born in the U.S. RT talks to one of the leaders of the so-called “birther movement”, who believes Obama’s birth certificate was forged.


http://www.infowars.com/is-obamas-birth-certificate-a-forgery/

Lets assume I was wrong and that two planes hit the twin towers and that fires as a result of the impact lead to the collapse of the twin buildings(official story) but can someone please explain how building 7(WTC 7) which is also part of the world trade center came down at free fall speed despite the fact that it wasnt hit by a plane or fire?

Washngton Post Calls Yukihisa Fujita’s 9/11 Ideas “Bizarre… Fantasy”

The Washington Post
March 9, 2010
A D V E R T I S E M E N T

YUKIHISA FUJITA is an influential member of the ruling Democratic Party of Japan. As chief of the DPJ’s international department and head of the Research Committee on Foreign Affairs in the upper house of Japan’s parliament, to which he was elected in 2007, he is a Brahmin in the foreign policy establishment of Washington’s most important East Asian ally. He also seems to think that America’s rendering of the events of Sept. 11, 2001, is a gigantic hoax.
Mr. Fujita’s ideas about the attack on the World Trade Center, which he shared with us in a recent interview, are too bizarre, half-baked and intellectually bogus to merit serious discussion. He questions whether it was really the work of terrorists; suggests that shadowy forces with advance knowledge of the plot played the stock market to profit from it; peddles the fantastic idea that eight of the 19 hijackers are alive and well; and hints that controlled demolition rather than fire or debris may be a more likely explanation for at least the collapse of the building at 7 World Trade Center, which was adjacent to the twin towers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/07/AR2010030702354.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

so you havent read all my post.So dont be quick to judge!!!

@poster

I dont think obama would stand trial, however I posted something similar a while back about obama's academic records at Columbia university.

@mairory

Your position is not clear at all and you are only fooling yourself making such a statement. From your posts in this section one can clearly see an anti-American agenda and vice versa to your lack of posts about China, Russia and, others.
But I ask you, who really gives a crap. You have no need to pretend to be "neutral". Post your anti-american comment and we discuss it if we feel like it.

Have you seen all, I repeat all my post on nairaland?

And by the way, the unit of speed is not seconds (that is the unit of time). When you talk about speed, you should be referencing m/s or ft/s as the case may be. Do you know why 10m/s speed is being brandished about by the fake Professors you have staked your life upon here? Again, it is related to the free-fall assignment I gave to you above.

Educate yourself a little bit, then come back here for some lessons.

@Tayo-D

Fine if you insist that the speed is not supposed to be measured in seconds,fine I wont debate that. I checked out the links you posted previously.

But you are yet to answer the question I posted earlier

Which is how do you explain the structural defects that brought about the collapse of WTC 7 (building 7)?

Also note that you stated in your previous post you stated that fire as a result of the plane impact brought down the buildings.

I await your response!!!

@poster

I wont totally dismiss your comments. Its indeed possible. After all JFK was shot in dallas and up till today people are still shocked as a result of that incident. There are reports suggesting that they may be an assassination attempt on his life, but they may be a "false flag" attack. However this can be regared as a conspiracy theory till proven otherwise!!!

To all my critics, I dont hate america. I love america but the only thing I dislike is their foreign policies. I believe the foreign policies have alot of negative effects on developing countries and its not only the US foreign policies I dislike I also dislike china and Russian foreign policies as well. These countries have looted and have continued to loot Africa.

I hope my position is clear!!!

Just to address your statement above, the WTC did not collapse due tothe impact of the plane. There were other secondary issues that caused it to collapse. Do you know what it means when they say an object has a free-fall? For goodness sake, what part of the collapse of the WTC was free-fall?

Building 7 also known as WTC 7 collapse at a free fall speed, despite the fact it wasnt hit by a plane. Since you said you a civil engineer!! Have they ever been any building in the world that has collapse as a result of plane hitting the building?

Fine!!, Lets assume the building came down as result of the fires brought about by the plane, But how can you explain a building falling a such a speed(less than 10 seconds) I calculated the speed myself and I recommend you watch it again. Also note that the second tower collapse before the first.

Another thing I would like to draw to your attention. People say two planes hit the twin towers, but did you actually see them? We only saw the 2nd plane hit the second tower at 9.35am but nobody I repeat nobody ever till today saw the first plane.

Not good enough. There are videos on youtube that have very good production and good voice over, but the fact is that the evidence are nothing but false. I am not sure who this professor is, but I will take it with a pinch of salt. My friend works in the building industry - part of a demolition team - and from his experience, nothing odd or wrong with the way the twin tower collapse. In other words, it can be explained.

Then on top of that, you have several expert witness who already says, there is nothing to suggest cover up etc. I think I will take these views over some unknown or prove professor.

@elrazur

Fine!! lets assume the building came down as a result of the impact of the plane.But how can you explain what happened to buidling to WTC 7 (Building 7) which is also part of the world trade center? It also came down at free fall speed(less than 10 seconds)

@elrazur

You called me an idiot and a slowpoke!! How would you feel if someone calls you one?

All his thread are anti-western and anti-american.

My guess? He was denied visa and as such, the western world must be evil. Ironically, he use the internet - a western invention. Gosh.

PS
If you are reading this Mr Blaze, Emagwelu never invented the internet.

@elrazur

Why do you like insulting people? Does it come natural for you? You made alot of contribution to this forum in the region of over 3000 post(and still counting), why do you choose to spend alot of your time insulting people?

Another idiotic, moronic and anti-western thread brought to you by John Blaze.


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@elrazur

Why do you choose to insult me? Have I ever insulted you or attacked your posts on this forum?