₦airaland Forum

jaycent:
I swear I tire for the idiot

That brainless idiot is so irritating. He keeps on repeating nonsense . I don't even know why he is on this thread , he is the most boring poster here .

tylann:
Nigeria is more unequal than kenya

Are you ok ?. You mean the rib showing people who don't own land in their own country are now better than us ?

JaceBlaze:
So you are aware of the consequences of taking land by force (as you have just pointed to the Zimbabwe situation) yet you want us to use their formula? and btw,the zim situation is not just sanctions but also the fact that they were inexperienced and still proceeded to think with their asses and made impulsive decisions,look how that turned out.It boggles the mind that most Africans that criticise everything we do still flood to our shores for a better living that they couldn't get in their respective failed countries,which just goes to show that the smart-asses aren't smart after all .To be "enslaved for eternity" as you put it,is better than to be literally auctioned as a slave with a chain around my neck in Libya as we have seen with your fellow Nigerians being stripped off their humanity in the most inhumane way in front of the whole world to see.

What we do with the land in question is entirely the business of South Africans and ONLY WE will choose how to go about that,the tribal divisions in your country and the senseless Kaduna killings should be your main concern.Venting your spleen on SA won't change your situation.

You are getting worked up , chill bro. We are talking about Mandela and what his decisions did to SA , when the topic arises about our fckd up leaders , quote me so I will discuss them. For now it's all about SA. So your solution is to fold your arms and continue being farm workers paid with alchohol and unwanted produce ? All because you don't want to disturb the white man's entitlement?. You are pretty slow if you don't see the Zim situation coming , your government might not be the one responsible for the upcoming uprising but the average dirt poor and desparate black SA is going to invade and grab land and in the process kill these whites , do you think then the west will spare you? . There is nowhere to hide , your government must decide or the inevitable will happen.

wirinet:
And you think if the Mandela government forcefully seize white own lands, the West would not sanctions black South Africans .

Mandela did not negotiate alone, he had other high ranking ANC officials with him.
The people were living in poverty because the people were uneducated and unskilled. Even if the lands were given to the Blacks, they would not be able to farm the land commercially.

His people were already in poverty. He needed to create the conditions to empower the blacks educationally, economically and even psychologically. Healing decades of oppression and exploitation takes time, even black Americans have still not fully recovered from the effects of slavery.

Sorry for sounding tribal, but I am the least tribal person you will discuss with. It's my style, I use the brutal truth to elicit emotions and thus deeper reflections. My manager (is employed) is an ardent IPOB supporter. I also tell him my bitter truth igbos and IPOB. We argue and disagree, but slowly he sees my point of view.

The south east people are more emotional and calculative, Once an igbo man is offended he is ready to fight and curse without looking whether he can beat the person or not. Meanwhile, the Yoruba people are exactly the opposite. A Yoruba would never go into a fight he does not see a good chance of winning, some people mistake that for cowardice. Also Yorubas hardly show their true emotions. The fact that a Yoruba man prostrate for you and call you "oko Iya mi " (my mother's husband ) does not necessarily mean he like you. Yorubas are highly diplomatic.

So you are with me in saying the blacks there are screwed forever ?. Mandela missed the chance when the whole thing was still fresh ; give blacks a fair share of the land or put all of it under the state and make the whites workers not owners , just like they did in state owned companies like Sasol and the airline . Now that the blacks are skilled do you see those white devils sharing the goods ? Those entitled mofos would never do unless they are forced to , and when they get forced sanctions will still come , but if they don't force them then the generations of young educated blacks with commercial farming skills will still be farm workers like their ancestors . I don't see the whole thing working out because the younger blacks are agitating for land grabs and if care is not taken another zim will happen. Farm murders are already sky rocketing . There is no man that can watch generations of his children feeling like guests in his own home , it's only a matter of time before the Mandela mistakes haunt that country .

I thought you were not tribalistic , yet you decided to go on and generalise Igbos while conveniently painting Yorubas as some intellectuals lol. You are getting pathetic .

goodnessme1:
We dont care if you like kanu.

Secondly you dont reason like an igbo man,
If the soldiers are not there to kill him,what are they there to do,even killing more than 28 person.

You mean I don't reason with hate and emotion? . Why didn't they kill then ?. How did he escape the army ?. Nonsense propaganda from a criminal .

BiafraIsFree:
You are wrong mehn. The terrorism jihadists government are preparing to stop IPOB forces coming soon.

But we shock them. Can they really stop unstoppable IPOB's freedom trains? No borders can stop the return of Biafra forces.

You seem more crazier than these damn jihadists.

Turantula:
Buhari never disappoints, new formation of immigration officers are already arriving Lagos, cross river from zamfara, kastina and yobe

You think this will not work ?

sufferNsmiling:
You are a total illiterate over 70% of your GDP is out of the country the infrastructure in Nigeria is only 30% of the GDP

What is this idiot on about?

tylann:
Nigeria also is extremely unequal
Don't forget that

Compared to the two countries I mentioned ?

wirinet:
I disagree with you on all levels. Mandela was a great leader and very few world leaders could ever match his resilience, foresight and humility.
Mandela was negotiating from a position of weakness. The blacks had been under decades of oppression. The literacy levels of the black was poor compared to the whites and all the security forces were under the control of the apartheid government. They even have support from the US and the British. Confronting them headlong would have been a suicide mission. I know my brothers from the east usually allow emotions instead of intellect get the better of them. They are ready to fight war without calculating their chances of success. The whites had the economic and military power. No way Mandela would confront them headlong, he will lose and lose millions of the people he wants to protect.
The best he could have done is negotiate the best deal, take over government and then empower his people economically and militarily over time. When they have acquired some power, the blacks can then challenge the whites.
Seizing land forcefully would have been a disaster. The blacks did not have the expertise and capital to engage in industrial farming, in fact no black African has been able to engage in industrial farming. Hunger would have wiped out a significant percentage of blacks. See what happened when Zimbabwe seized white land suddenly, food prices jumped thousand times fold. Zimbabwe changed from a net exporter of food to a net importer of food.

I am highly disappointed at the black governments after Mandela, they have done little to alleviate the condition of the blacks. Instead, they exhibit what is regarded as the black mans curse of Greed, avarice and insensitivity.

Zimbabwe was crippled more by the sanctions than anything , so it is a bad example. And remember, the sanctions came about because the people became tired of being played and went on a rampage . Mandela had others to negotiate with but he arrogantly went on his own and came out with nothing but more poverty for his people. What is the use of having productive land that is a net exporter but the people living in that land are hungry and helpless? .

Why are you bringing in tribalism to a perfectly intellectual debate ?. .

JaceBlaze:
Might as well ask why didn't Mandela turn our water to wine since he was an equivalence of Jesus Christ...according to your pathetic and shallow thought process that is.And the taking of land by force worked pretty well in Zimbabwe,that's why today their economy is so flourishing,their currency is the most powerful in Africa that they are not scattered around the world like scavengers because the land worked so well for them,right? .You wanted Mandela to leave the banks into the hands of blacks at that time while they were still recovering from the useless education forced on them by apartheid? Did you even stop for a second and think before putting up this long wall of nothingness?

Nothingness?. You also didn't have great teachers , but he went around the continent and the world to recruit them . You didn't have a lot of doctors but he invited many , so what could have been different in nationalizing key economic factors like mines and banks and hire people from around the world to run them while you learn the ropes ?. Aren't you managing your hospitals and schools now ? . Are you saying there were no blacks who had schooled in universities inside SA and outside who could have been shown the way ?. The Zim situation was not caused by lack of skills but by the sanctions . Do you know why there were sanctioned?. Because the blacks there were so sick of waiting for land reforms and being bullied by white farmers and went on a rampage killing wnites and grabbing the lands by force . Are you not witnessing the genesis in of this in SA ? Is this not the reason your government is now doing what they should have done back then?. Are farm murders and land grabs not an every day thing over there ?. Mandela should have done the land reform back then , now it is going to be difficult to pull and if your current president doesn't do it the blacks will do what the zim blacks did and go on a rampage . Mandela failed in this regard. The whites are used to owning it all now , do you think they will want to share now ? We have seen them going to trump to ask him for assistance to keep y'all enslaved for eternity , so much for equality , unity and the rainbow nation. It seems the rainbow nation is only possible when the whites master over the blacks , but when white dominance is questioned and challenged , it is called reverse apartheid . The storm is coming . No one has ever gained their freedom by begging the oppressor to free them , you will soon realise this.

gidgiddy:
This is the reasoning of a reasonable man by senator Abaribe. Many Nigerians reason through their anus. A man is given bail, the government sends Soldiers to go and kill that man in his house

Rather than question why their government has become another 'boko haram' that goes to kill people for no just cause, they are more interested as to why an unarmed Kanu did not relax in his palour and let Soldiers murder him.

A journalist is now asking Abaribe if he regrets standing surety for Kanu, yet the same journalist cannot ask why his government went to Kanus house to kill unarmed people in a democracy

People with no brain

How did kanu escape his house if the soldiers were there to kill him ?. I'm igbo by the way but I dont like kanu .

Complete crap.

This is one of the best decisions by the terrorist government . I hope his brothers from Chad and Niger will be the ones affected the most .

This guy is evil and should be executed . But we should also investigate why it seems Its so easy to get these trafficked " victims" into Italy?. Are the Italians benefiting a lot from this?. And how ?

The person taping this nonsense should be shot.

sufferNsmiling:
You are a total fool. You are the one with no electricity. Poverty and hunger as change your head around you can't even think

Nigeria has no electricity yet we are the biggest economy in Africa, that alone should be testament of our greatness . Nigeria is not good at the moment , but I foresee a great future for us.

sufferNsmiling:
Economical freedom 2019 Ghana Kenya Togo Benin Republic overtakes Nigeria

What economic freedom ? . With South Africa and Kenya being ahead of Nigeria that should tell you this is total nonsense . These countries are very unequal .

JaceBlaze:
Hard to pick,too many legends.As a South African I will have to go with Nelson Mandela for now,the man restored sanity in our nation and we will always love him for that.I believe an African American will feel the same about Martin Luther King,it's all about how you relate with these people and how they have impacted your life.

If Mandela was such a great black man he would have given each race the appropriate size of land , instead most of the land belongs to the minority whites while many blacks live in the fringes of society . I know residential land is more black than white, but what about the land that matters the most ? Agricultural ( You have been made to depend on your oppressors for food)? Is that sanity ?. I didn't know much about the land problems over there until I followed the debate between the Kenyans, the boer guy and lionessza6 , I thought she was playing victim mentality until I did my own research and realised that she actually had a point. Your inequality starts from the ownership of productive land , you cannot not have a bright future without owning the factors of production. Your banks require collateral which is mostly land with value before they give you a loan for a business expansion , how many blacks qualify for this ?. You can never play a meaningful role in your economy without land ownership my guy . I watched a documentary on why Chris chani was killed and it makes sense . The West tagged him divisive, that is because he wanted the land more than welfare that Mandela gave you people . Do you really believe that your boer friends would have opted for peace and unity if the people in slums looked like them ? Do you think they would be celebrating Mandela if the banks and mines belonged to all ( nationalised )? . They only supported the so called unity and peace because they got it all ; the institutions, banks , land and of course some of yalls love and loyalty lol. Your country is burning because of the mistakes of this man . I'm not saying he was a total disaster but he can't possible be a hero for black men , not when a black man still digs the dangerous mines without any hope of his sons ever owning a share . I'm not saying he should have taken everything from whites, but he shouldn't have given it all to them not when all the hard work for centuries has been done by the blacks . Without fixing the land issue , I do not see your country ever finding peace , you will always talk about the rainbow but the cries of the masses cannot be silenced forever . I smell another zim land grabbing case coming closer. With many videos from your country with whites tormenting poor black farmers and the many young blacks crying for land ...........1

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Cadec007:
To the videographer....

LOL.

andrew444:
Just did a phone interview

This South African people serious sha

They think their overrated country is better than ours .foolish people.

Rossikk:
At least we're growing faster than South Africa.

SA: 1.7%
Nigeria: 2.1%

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-10/ghana-is-the-star-in-imf-s-2019-economic-growth-forecast-chart

Do you zombies fear this South Africa this much ? . Nigeria shouldn't even be comparing itself with a new democracy struggling with identity issues , we are a disgrace for always rubbing shoulders with that country .

Beautyaddy:
Okay, you're right.

However, I still maintain that it must be reciprocal.

US citizens do not need visas to visit Senegal or South Africa.

The last two are still developing countries, who need the money American tourists bring to their countries, while America doesn't need that much from them.

My initial point was that you don't exactly need to be a super power to be taken seriously by other nations , but your citizens must not be desparate and a nuisance to their host. We don't hear of Senegalese and South Africans making long queues to apply for American visas, but if it were us who enjoy the same privilege as them , we would abuse it .

Beautyaddy:
If you have the evidence post it.

I do know that the US visa given to South Africa citizens are no longer fixated to 10 years multiple entry.

Nigerian visas to US citizens are also two years if not less...so it is reciprocal.

I repeat , SA and Senegal qualify for 10 year visas to America. You can show any evidence that proves otherwise.

Beautyaddy:
It is not true that the US is giving Senegal and South Africa 10 years multiple entry US visa.

Go and do your research Sir . We qualify for two years and the countries mentioned 10 .

Beautyaddy:
That's not true.

What's not true ?.

Ugosample:
#Fact!

Look at the U.S. giving China 10 years multiple entry visas
.Some having to do just ESTA

while others have to queue and fight for the visa

You are treated the way you deserve
that's the way of the world

South Africa and Senegal also enjoy the same , yet they are third world shytholes as well. Are they better than Nigeria?