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chukwudi44: Ol boy u r d one who is not reading ur bible.who told you money didn't exist in biblical times.Deut 14:25 tells you d condition for conversion of your tithe goods 2 money.money had always existed right from ancient times but people never paid tithes with it.

My guy when I talk about family church what I mean is this Pastor chris is in charge of the church in Nigeria ,in south africa his wife holds sway while his brother ken is in charge of the US branch.or Ben Idahosa dies n his wife takes over

This is not what was practised in the bible passage you quoted

Guy I am not a fan or member of Pastor Chris so whatever you tend to know about him does not change the fact that you Catholics needs to allow Jesus in your life and leave this traditional demonic sacrifices alone! Please read your bible and stop expressing your opinion here. See Moses and his brother Aaron together with all his brethren - The Levites were all selected and ordained by God to be of service to Him and serving at the alter and bearing the Ark of Covenant........FAMILY CHURCH!! The First Church in the wilderness.....

Guy did you even read the bible this morning before leaving the house or you just said the rosary alone!

May God save you as he saved me!

Shalom

chukwudi44: Now over to you pentecostals

Show we in the bible it is written that a man can wake up one morning and claim God asked him to open a church

For those who claim to tithe is ur tithing based on biblical tithe as contained in deut 14: 22-29 where in the bible was tithe paid with money? Where in d bible was tithe paid weekly or monthly?if you must tithe why not follow biblical principles.

Where in the bible do we have female pastors/bishops? Where in the bible do we have family churches.where in the bible is a pastor meant to fly a private jet while others r going hungry?

Guy leave issues alone face the real fact here. Tithe is in the bible and during that period there is nothing like money as such...it is the advent of money that made is possible for payment to made in currency. Now there are jobs and people get paid in currency so you have to pay your tithe in money....it is the jet age there is no longer trade by batter. Just like you said now people would have said same of Paul when he met Christ on the was to Damascus and which change him and made him preacher of the faith he once condemn. About family churches it shows that you don't even read the bible...what a shame! In the Act of the Apostles we saw that Christians meet daily to break bread from house to house...(Act 2:46)And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart.

Guy see the Acts of the Apostles and you'll find that women played their role too Dorcas and others!

About the jet plane well if you can buy one for your Rev. Father too go ahead!

chukwudi44: I still insist you are being mischievous.The contents of the roman missal r there quranic passages?

The daily readings contains bible passages from OT,NT,psalms and gospels which are carefully selected to ensure the entire bible is covered every 3 years.

Do you mean to tell me you read up the entire bible every day in ur new churches?

My friend the preaching is elaborate enough to touch each passage that is related to the topic shared that day. Also Pentecosatals are encouraged to read the word of God daily and not only on Sundays! My guy you don't even know the truth in God's word, the old testament law says you should not bow down for any image in the likeness of things in heaven or earth, why do you people bow down to Communion, Statues, Altar, Crucifix, and any form of image in the your church........IDOLATRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wriggle out of that!

Shalom.

chukwudi44: Purgatory is implied in the bible in the 1 pet 3:19-20,1 pet 4:6 where Jesus went to preach to the souls in "prison" here purgatory is referred to as prison.the souls here referred were those who perished durind Noah's flood.

Papal infallibility does not mean the pope cannot sin.It simply refers that once a pope is under the influence of the holy spirit to pronounce matters of faith he cannot be wrong.His infallibility does not mean he is not susceptible like every other human to sin

Penance is simply asking God for forgiveness of our sins and making restitution.how on earth is that not on the bible.This is a basic teaching of the christian faith and applies to all denominationa even though some might not call it penance but the same principle applies

Intercession by saints simply means asking saints to pray for us which is another fundamental christian principle.The much I know even you pentecostals ask your pastors to pray 4 u
Marian shrine is a shrine devoted to intercessary prayers by the virgin mary.it is just like redemption camp is devoted to those who go to Adeboye to pray 4 them abi is redemption camp in the bible as well

I still find it amazing that someone who grew up in a catholic family would ask where the blessed sacrament is mentioned in the biblem

The bible explicitly states in luke 22:14-20 and several other passages that Jesus instituted the eucharist a memorial of his sacrifice.The blessed sacrament is Jesus consecrated 4rm bread during the mass

Chukwudi, what I want you to do for me is to proof with the bible to support all your Catholic doctrine you stated above....each with the bible reference not your opinion.

I'm waiting!

chukwudi44: @JonnieZM

It is now becomming obvious you never knew anything about the catholic church but was merely a church goer

How could you claim catholics don't read bible in church?you are merely being mischievous.The catholic church has a three year bible reading plan designated year A,B n C respectively within which the entire bible is covered.

As you had already being informed the bible was compiled by the RCC in the fourth century CE.Before then the bible was not in existence.Hundreds of Scriptural writings have existed as seperate documents.It was the RCC at the synod of hippo in 393 CE and council of carthage in 397 CE who canonised and compiled the bible as we have today by selecting among the several circulating wriite ups into one book now designated as d bible

I was a serious member unlike you....only that I was more enlightened than you are. I was baptized, took First Holy Communion, did Confirmation and was almost sent to be a priest by my dad but God was on my side. My dear Google Bible and see how it all came to be. Also I tell you what we read in the Catholic Church is Missal which is a compilation of the Four Gospels and Responsorial Psalm and maybe one of two bible story! Guy I know what I am saying. If you read your bible very well you'll see that most of the Catholic Practices are not biblical!

Shalom!

Want more on this email me on johnoghie@yahoo.com

chukwudi44: This things are the foundation of Christianity and the Church keeps.
Baptism
Tithe/Offering
Prayer
Worship
The Preaching of the Word (abeit a lot is left to be desired)
Alms and Helping of the poor (the Church gets maximum credit here, they do a fantastic job)

Tithing has nothing 2 do with basic christian doctrines.Infact it is not a christian teaching as nowhere in d bible were christians asked 2 tithe.Christians r always encouraged to give out of their own volition.

Why didn't you mention the eucharist and impartation of the holy spirit(confirmation) which are also vital 2 d christian faith
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Chukwudi you are sooooooo wrong!

A notable Pastor in the name Pastor Eddie Cude wrote:

What is the tithe? It is the "gateway for the believer into the covenant of blessings." In the Hebrew "maaser" or "maasrah," is translated tenth, or tenth part, and in Greek "apodekatoo" and in both, it means a payment or giving or receiving of the tenth.

The tithe is that tenth of our income that we give to God, which enables Him to move on our behalf in the area of blessings. The Bible records numerous accounts of man tithing to God. God is the creator of everything that exists. He owns everything and we are simply stewards of what we have been entrusted with. The tithe principle is this; "He gives unto us, we give back to Him one-tenth of all that He has blessed us with."

Abraham tithed unto Melchizedek, Isaac tithed, His son Jacob and many others also even before the law was given. Many Christians do not tithe because they have been taught that they are not under the law, but under grace. While this is a true statement, God did not institute the tithe to bring us under the law, but to get blessings to His children. Abraham tithed before the law, and God blessed him supernaturally. We're under grace that we might establish the law; not turn from it. Jesus said that He didn't come to do away with the law, but to fulfill it. Because He fulfilled it, we are to establish it. His Words are forever settled in heaven, therefore we establish His Words upon the earth.

Matthew 5:17-19: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

So Chukwudi I want to tell you that if you are not paying tithe you are a thief robbing God, read Malachi 3:8-10 and see for yourself.

Other verses include:

Leviticus 27:30 "And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD."
1 Samuel 15:22: "And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams."
See also this website - [url]http://www.bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=161
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Shalom.

okpurukata: It is so ironical that many people criticise the church yet they practise the teachings of the same catholic church. They join us in celebrating christmas, Easter and also worship on sundays. Did you not read in your history books that the catholic church changed the worship day from saturday to sunday in line with the then Roman tradition. Did you not read that the catholic church gathered the various scriptures in what we call The Bible. Which other church can reach out to the most remote areas in the world today and spread the gospel. Only the catholic church.
My advise to the gallivanting ones - You will discover the truth and I hope it would not be too late. The catholic church remains the greatest religious institution in the world today. QED

Dearly Beloved, where did you get your history from? Catholicpedia of Christian History? The bible was never complied by the Catholic Church, Google bible and see the truth! Pertaining to the days of worship, it was the Apostles that started gathering on Sunday because Jesus resurrected on Sunday......the Catholic maybe the greatest religious institution in the world but it is also the greatest institution teaching people heresies and sending them to hell in their billions! I was once a Catholic and tell you since I left the faith I have been more enlightened in the bible...since bible is not read in the Catholic church we only read prayer books, missals and other. Catholics import all forms of demonic and pagan practice in the worship. Things like exhuming the dead that is occultic, rosary etc. They even have bones of dead saints on their alters....ask your reverend fathers!

imhotep: @Sysuser
Protestants are terrible bible scholars. This is part of why we have 33,000 confused protestant sects.  They are now envious of the beautiful unity of the Catholic Church.

Since you are so historical, check your history again ----> ALL those that attempted to interpret the book of Revelation have failed woefully and destroyed themselves and others in the process.  For instance, you can search for 'David Koresh' on google and see the rubbish he did with the bible in 1992.

https://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1993/1101930503_400.jpg

Like I keep telling you ---> Its no us running, when you are on the wrong road.

My guy you need Jesus....you need to have your eyes open....the Koresh guy is not even a Christian his life was more like that of an hypocrite! So leave Koresh out of this. The bible is the book of God and not a mystical book like you claim, there is no portion of it that cannot be understood after reading same. If God can save me from Catholicism he can save you too. Most of the things done in Catholic are demonic, mystical and non biblical. How can you explaim exhuming a dead man? Bowing down to a images, "Holy Communion," crucifix, rosary, statues....that sound like idolatry to me! They never read the bible but prayer book etc! Kissing of bones of dead people by priests is highly demonic.... Catholics needs prayers!

xynerise: and in ur current church u all dress like angels?

Yes! But we don't spare the rod to tell ladies to dress WELL!! We are not economical with the truth!!! My Pastor and his wife dress well so why will we wanna dress awkward? Tell me.

xynerise: so as it stands now u are righteous?

By the Grace of God! I have a the righteous of Christ because without him dying for me I am nothing because the bible says our righteousness are like filthy rags before God. But with the holiness of Jesus I am covered because his mercies endures for ever.

For further question mail me on johnoghie@yahoo.com

mollybest: May God have mercy on all dis peoples dat are after de catholic.people knows what is true and deviate 4rm it becoz they want 2 go 2 where they wil have freedom of dressing anyhow and do all sort of trash.those dat are against d holy images like d crucifix,i will bow down 4 holy images of God than 2 bow down 4 ordinary pastors dat're impure.All dis new churches,they're not after 2 win souls but 2 win population n 2 make names,i said dis, bcoz they have tried it 2 me.

My dear you are soooo wrong! The Catholic have deviated from time immemorial from Christ and speaking of dressing anyhow, sister I was at Falomo Catholic church when I was still a Catholic....my God it was like the haven of prostitutes, ladies were dress like harlots and I can tell you that. I belong to a place where holiness is held in high esteem you can dress anyhow there without being sent out, holy image is a sham there is no image holy but Jesus himself. Please do not be deceived the bible says you shall not bow to any image in the likeness of things on earth or heaven above....you see Catholics bow to idols and Pentecostals don't bow to their Pastors but respect them just as I will respect any Reverend Father I meet any day because he is an elder and "Man of God".

To continue with this discussion email me on johnoghie@yahoo.com

Shalom

xynerise: so the church u are now will lead u to heaven abi?

Yes my dear. I am born again not of corruptible seed but of incorruptible. It is not church that will save you but church will point you to Christ assist you in seeing the right part to take by teaching biblical principle of life that will assist you to get to heaven.

See I don't like this trashing, any Catholic that feels he was to defend the Catholic faith should send me an email on johnoghie@yahoo.com and let us chat or better still johnoghie on yahoo messenger.

Sam samy: But why do some persons tend to lier in othrr to support their claims? It is so sad!Well, poster, all you've posted are but far from the truth. Maybe you have to come back to the Catholic and researcj affresh. Bless your soul...

Sorry Sam, Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.(2 Cor. 5:17)....I will never come back to Catholic never ever! Now Sam and every Catholic that have commented on this note that Catholic is never the first church...the Romans where the ones tormenting the Christians then before they decided to mingle and form The Roman Catholic Mission. Peter is never a Pope, read the bible and see, see the Acts of the Apostles and discover the truth, there no mention of Mary, Pope, Catholicism in that part of the bible! Do not be deceived.

Shalom

bigshow123: youths are returning to the church cuz d reality is dawning dat the so-called pentecostal churches are too centralized on an individual. afta idahosa, wat is left wit church of God mission, afta oduyemi, wat remains of bethel wonderland. but catholic church has been existing for over 2000 yrs and still goin strong. if the church is wrong, it wouldnt have stayed dis long cuz anything dat is not built on Gos's foundation will surely sink.

Guy you are getting it all wrong....you completely left the subject matter. WHY DO YOUTHS LEAVE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH is the question. Personally I left the Catholic Church too because of many reasons:

1.There is doctrine following than teaching the bible.
2.The focus is on Mary rather than Jesus, the bible says there is no other name given among men whereby we must be saved....it's only Jesus name.
3.There is too much IDOLATRY in Catholic Church...bowing down to statues, communion, alter etc!
4.There are a whole lot of unbiblical stuffs in Catholic that can be tagged demonic or mystical.........exhuming of dead people (saints), asking saints to pray for them not being able to make use of the power in God to get things done etc

Need not say more because there are a lot of creepy things in Catholic that will take an insider to know.

Most so called Catholics today just attend church without getting to the deep root of Catholicism.....you need to go deep and research things and check them in line with the Bible, you'll be amazed at what you'll discover.

I pray that all Catholics will have their eyes open to the truth of God's Word as I did.

Shalom.

Now we can dialogue Christ and Him crucify?

At least Buzugee we agree on one thing, there is a GOD in Heaven and JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF THAT GOD! JESUS IS LORD!!

Thanks musKeeto, don't mind those guys they need to get their head checked! It is only a FOOL that says in his heart that there is no God!

YESUA! Oh boy with the little knowledge you have you dey form Prof, ehn. The wisdom of man is like foolishess before God. Look at how you are arrogantly saying it as if you were there! You are using head knowledge, my dear you need inspiration of the Holy Ghost to liberate you from yourself (pride). God bless you.

Still expecting your email though!

Guy I echoed what I said earlier, YOU NEED JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you think you don't need him, please feel free to email me, johnoghie@yahoo.com

Let's chat.

God bless you.

Guy you need Jesus. You are so perverse and everything, I can imagine you are not even a Christian and if you are then you are a Church goer! You need to get down with your bible. Everytime I hear people try to rationalize masturbation and paint it with all kinds of colour! If you are a real Christian you have something inside you that is like a fire alarm system that goes off, it is called CONSCIENCE! If you still have your conscience intact then you know when you are doing what is wrong! Masturbation is wrong!!!!!!!!!!! The other day I heard of a Prominent man of God defend it, men it is bad!

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