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Christianity EtcRe: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by johnw47:
Janosky:
grin angry angry grin
Did John W come out of his parents to be a separate person?
Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool

blasphemer janosky
funny, yes i came out of my mother a seperate person to her

Janosky: God is the Source of "the Word" made a separate being.
This guy knows the Bible truth but Trinity GIBBERISH holds him captive.
Make una read the screenshot of John W in October 2021. grin
@bold, thank you, not that you would really know

regarding screen shot of me saying Jesus had a beginning, of Course Jesus the man/flesh had a beginning, in Spirit He/the Word of God has always existed in God

Janosky: Isaiah 6:8 God can not be an Angel.
@ Isaiah 6:8 ,All angels OBEY God.
@ John 7:16,Psalm 110:1 & Acts 2:33, did Jesus OBEY his God?
oh duh, this is your confused gibberish reply to my saying: "God cannot be a angel"

God is not a angel, really

1 cor 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

according to u so called jw, all angels obey God so that makes Jesus an angel , so dum

Janosky: Did John W come from himself?
No!
John W comes from his Father.
Did Jesus come from himself?
No !
Revelation 3:14 & Mark 13:19, Jesus comes from his Father and God.
which voice are you replying to now

did me say Jesus came from Himself, did i say Jesus is the Father
Jesus is from His Father

is a voice inside you keep saying: trinity trinity trinity, so funny
and your views on trinity are so confused, like your views on many things

Janosky: God created light, therefore ,God created the Word, his Son.
the light that God made shine on earth was not Jesus
God said let there be light, and there was light
so you think God created light/Jesus after he created the Heavens and the earth, smile

Gen 1:1  In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 
Gen 1:2  The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. 
Gen 1:3  Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 

Janosky: Only one son of God defeats the Devil@ 1 John 3:8, Revelation 12:7-9.
Only one son of God resurrects the dead on the last day,@ John 5:28 & 1 Thess 4:16.

Who is the seed of Genesis 3:15? Jesus of course.
Who is the serpent of Genesis 3 :15?
Revelation 12:7-9,Satan the Devil of course.
Who defeats the serpent @ Genesis 3:15 & Revelation 12:7-9?
The seed, Jesus Christ also called archangel Michael.
again, this your confusion is not a reply to what i said, what i said is:

"the Word is neither created from nothing or made from dust but is from God"

as to what you replied:

1 john 3:8 Jesus came to destroy the devil's work
rev 12:7-9 michael throws satan down to earth
^^ these are two diffrent events of two diffrent persons


Joh 5:28  Don’t be so surprised! Indeed, the time is coming when all the dead in their graves will hear the voice of God’s Son,

1Th 4:16  For the Lord himself, with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call and with the sound of God’s trumpet, will descend from heaven, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

^^it's the voice of God's Son/the command of the Lord Jesus that raises the dead in Christ, the Lord Jesus raises the dead with a loud command
the call/shout of the archangel and the trumpet of God herald this amazing event, heralds both the Lord's coming and His raising the saved dead

the second coming of Christ and the raising of the dead is heralded by the shout of an archangel and the trumpet of God, the dead are raised by the command of the Lord Jesus, not by a angel


michael and his angels defeat satan and his angels in battle
Lord Jesus defeated satan for all time by His spilt blood

michael asks the lord to rebuke satan
the lord Jesus rebukes satan himself


Janosky: the screenshot of1 Thess4:16 reads:, the archangel NOT "an archangel".
you post bible versions that say "the archangel" knowing that there are translations that say "an archangel"

daniel shows which is correct:
Dan_10:13  But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.


as usual blasphemer, what you have is your confused twisting
Christianity EtcRe: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by johnw47: 11:54am On Jun 20, 2022
Mikee19:
Although johnw47 is quite close and has made several good points
thanks Mikee19, i don't read or post a lot here, you are better off asking immaculatesense
Christianity EtcRe: What Is The Most Seemingly Misinterpreted Portion Of The Bible? by johnw47: 3:04am On Jun 20, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
In the beginning WAS the word and the word WAS with God and the word WAS God

From the above it's clear something is wrong due to John's use of WAS throughout which means the word worked with God but as he is penning down those words the word isn't God rather the word WAS God at some point in time.
Moses WAS God at a point in time too {Exodus 7:1} therefore if Moses worked with God in delivering Israel out of Egypt and WAS God while in Egypt it doesn't mean that Moses IS God rather he served as God at a point in time.
So the correct interpretation of that verse would be:

In the beginning WAS the word and the word WAS God and the word WAS a god/ divine/ godlike

The use of capital for both God and the one with God makes no practical sense because all other verses afterwards shows that the word is God's messenger.

Thank you! smiley
so called jw

that's what comes from trying to make scripture fit doctrine, instead of reading God's word for what it truly say's

"in the beginning was the Word"
the word was is used because the verse is talking of the past:
"in the beginning"

perhaps you think it should be: "in the beginning will be the Word"

"and the word was with God" < in the beginning
you must think the Word is no longer with God
Christianity EtcRe: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by johnw47: 1:34am On Jun 20, 2022
Heb 1:5  For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son, today I have begotten you”? Or again, “I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son”?

hebrews 1:5 is a question
For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son, today I have begotten you”?
and the answer is never, it is not in the bible where God said that to a angel “You are my Son, today I have begotten you”, however God did say that to Jesus/the Word of God

Heb 5:5  So also Christ did not exalt himself to be made a high priest, but was appointed by him who said to him, “You are my Son, today I have begotten you”;


the bible gives many other names for Jesus, and michael is not one of them
Christianity EtcRe: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by johnw47:
MaxInDHouse:
Michael is an angel but Jesus is human so when John writes a letter to Christians he can't bring in unnecessary details that has little or nothing to do with what we need.
Jesus is the model we need to follow his footsteps closely {1Peter 2:21} as for Michael being Jesus in his prehuman existence that's a sacred secret that will be revealed later.

I have presented the correlations that's why i said it doesn't matter whether you believe it or not, those who knew it have the evidence and they're not forcing it on whoever doesn't know! smiley
immaculatesense:
Dear MaxinDHouse
This is a conversation that I was so so cautious to no make it segregational or denominational but u av made it seem so from ur angel...
I was born Pentecostal but I am not Pentecostal...I am just notin but a follower of Christ...I am a Sunday school teacher and coordinator or two different denomination. At the start of all my teaching I do tell then...I won't teach u the teaching of men by consensus but I will teach u wat d Bible says and how it was bn said even if it against wat d denomination teach. Leaders of these denomination don't like it wen I conflict with their rule but still they can't just against it,or stop me...they love it but u know all these orders from above kinda thing. Thinks like "you are right truly,but u know these is how we do things in our church from the headquarters,these are wat we were told"
I stated the above for u to know that I am not lenient to denomination but the Bible...
You kept saying secret,secret,secret... revealed by our brethen,taught by them etc.. .forgetting that even Paul himself said if an angel,or any apostle or even himself reveal other things to us that has not been revealed we should not believe...even if they claim to even seen an angel or God...those things may or may not be true...even if they are...we were advised to stick to wat had been reveal so that we will not by any chance loose our strong footing due to not being vigilant enough.
Dear MaxinDHouse I never said u were wrong or right...I don't know myself because it wasn't revealed...my advice had always been let us always stick to wat had bn revealed extensively in the scriptures and not contemporary times with are debatable as I av shown to you.
God's Word has always existed in God

God bought His Word out of Himself to be a seperate Person

God's Word/Son cannot be an angelic being unless God Himself is a angel


God/Creator
angels/created

God is not a created angel so his Son from Himself cannot be a angel


angels and humans are called son's of God
but angels are created from nothing except the Word of God
adam was made from the dust of the earth

the Word is neither created from nothing or made from dust but is from God


so called jw's keep saying Jesus is michael but don't try to give proof, or their secret knowledge when challenged by someone who is able to express well biblical knowledge, such as immaculatesense and others
Christianity EtcRe: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by johnw47: 10:02am On Jun 19, 2022
very good
Christianity EtcRe: Can God Reconcile With Devil by johnw47: 5:38am On Jun 19, 2022
cor 13 does give some characteristics or features of love
for example:
enduring in the faith with patience and serenity is Love
being kind is love
being thoughtful is Love
gladness of the truth is Love

cor 13 also gives some examples of what is not love:
love is not selfish
Love is not easily provoked
love is not puffed up
Love doesn't envy
Love doesn't have evil thoughts
Christianity EtcRe: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by johnw47:
immaculatesense:
Smile...yes I get u...but u were restricting ursef to Colossians 1:15
[15]Christ is the visible image of the invisible God.
    He existed before anything was created and is supreme(prototokos) over all creation,
but I will show u wat ur missing...but ur not doing bad but restricted to just a verse...
I will use the same NLT with u...Proverbs 8:22,25
[22]“The lord FORMED ME from the beginning,
    BEFORE he created anything else.
[25]Before the mountains were formed,
    before the hills, I WAS BORN—

Let's continue...but let me clear the supreme and the firstborn thing use by NLT...note NLT is a version of interpretation and not translation...so,let's go to NLT and check the translation of supreme in Colosians 1:15 and other places in that same NLT wer firstborn was used in other passages of NLT...
The word Firstborn(prototokos)
Proto means first...
Tokos means son(masculine)
This word is also used for child bearing both of animal and man as in NLT Genesis 4:4
[4]Abel also brought a gift—the best portions of the firstborn (prototokos) lambs from his flock. The lord accepted Abel and his gift,

And Exodus 34:19
[19]“The firstborn(prototokos) of every animal belongs to me, including the firstborn males from your herds of cattle and your flocks of sheep and goats.

Now the question to u is can u or NLT substitute firstborn with supreme in both Gensis 4:4 and Exodus 34:19...?
You will agree with me that the emphatic answer is NO...but those are the error of interpretation in versions and that's why u av to compare versions with versions and then know the etymology of the word used in the original manuscripts...NLT shud av used Firstborn like other versions instead of supreme...

Now wat ur curious about is how is just Firstborn?...
His creation or birth was the beginning of all creation that is why he is the beginning and the end...compare John 1:1 with proverb 8:22...
John 1:1
[1]IN THE BEGINNING the Word already existed.
    The Word was with God,
    and the Word was God.
Proverbs 8:22
[22]“The lord formed me FROM THE BEGINNING,
    BEFORE he created anything else.

Compare
John 1:4
[4]The Word gave life to everything that was created,
    and his life brought light to everyone.

And
Proverbs 8:30
[30]I was the architect at his side.
I was his constant delight,
    rejoicing always in his presence.

I am a Pentecostal but I don't agree that the Father is not Superior to the son or different from the son...even the son acknowledge that there are things the Father knows that the son does not know and there are things the Father can do that the son cannot do...and that the Father is greater than the son...READ

Matthew 24:36
[36]“However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.
THE SON DOES NOT KNOW,ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS.

READ be below passage from verse 20 but I will quote verse 23
Matthew 20:23
[23]Jesus told them, “You will indeed drink from my bitter cup. But I have no right to say who will sit on my right or my left. My Father has prepared those places for the ones he has chosen.”
NOTE:
BUT I (JESUS) DO NO HAVE THE RIGHT...MY FATHER HAS..."

READ
John 14:28
[28]Remember what I told you: I am going away, but I will come back to you again. If you really loved me, you would be happy that I am going to the Father, who is greater than I am.

NOTE:
...THE FATHER,WHO IS GREATER THAN I AM.


SIR,DO U HAVE ANY QUESTION?
thanks for that, i don't think you understood what i said about choosing the right word according to context,
although i probably didn't say it well

yes, way back in eternity before creation when only God existed, He bought wisdom/the word out of Himself.

wisdom wasn't created, because before being bought out of God, wisdom always existed in God

God is a Spirit, the Word is that same Spirit that is God, God bought wisdom out of Himself, wisdom/the word didn't come from nothing but is of God's own Spirit just like i am of my human father's flesh, that's why God and the word is God, they are that same Spirit that is God. Father and Son

^ wisdom in pro 8:22 + is also personified as the Word/Jesus


Pro 8:24  When there were no depths I was brought forth (chul chiyl), when there were no springs abounding with water.


in context with this verse, bought forth (chul chiyl) is used as similar to birth

H2342
חִיל    חוּל
chûl    chı̂yl
khool, kheel
A primitive root; properly to twist or whirl (in a circular or spiral manner), that is, (specifically) to dance, to writhe in pain (especially of parturition) or fear; figuratively to wait, to pervert: - bear, (make to) bring forth, (make to) calve, dance, drive away, fall grievously (with pain), fear, form, great, grieve, (be) grievous, hope, look, make, be in pain, be much (sore) pained, rest, shake, shapen, (be) sorrow (-ful), stay, tarry, travail (with pain), tremble, trust, wait carefully (patiently), be wounded.
Total KJV occurrences: 58

according to context "chul chiyl" can also be used in matters of endurance, anguish, pain, etc.
Christianity EtcRe: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by johnw47: 7:13am On Jun 18, 2022
Maynman:
God from Greek Theos is a title.
Jehovah is a Theos just like Zeus.
God and Deity means same thing.
so you cannot admit that you were wrong

Maynman:
Spirit means breathe, any other meaning is delusional.
Exactly, Yahweh portion was given to him by his father.
Y’all are literally worshipping ISRAELITES and ABRAHAMIAC GODS.
God is a title not a person. Bwahahahah
Christianity EtcRe: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by johnw47: 7:00am On Jun 18, 2022
Maynman:
Zeus is also a God.
Allah too, same as Uranus.
that's besides the point
you said "God is a title not a person"

as far as Yahovah is concerned God is both a title and a person
Christianity EtcRe: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 3:12am On Jun 18, 2022
false jw's claiming to be God's people while lying like hell, they so dum

Joh 8:44 For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Christianity EtcRe: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by johnw47: 2:27am On Jun 18, 2022
immaculatesense:
Dear johnw47
Thank God for technology and phones that had made it possible to read all versions in one app and even manuscripts written in the original languages.
I use all scriptures but I most times quote from the New Living Translation (NLT)
i have remembered that i purchased the NLT many moons ago for my e-sword
but lost it when i installed e-sword onto a new operating system, and forgot about adding the NLT back into it, i have now added NLT to e-sword again

many words can have diffrent meanings, so context is important in translating the meaning of words from diffrent languages

some bible versions have "firstborn" in col 1:15 which doesn't make sense
for example "Christ is the firstborn of all creation for by him all things were created"

^^ all things were created by Christ because Christ is the firstborn of creation < like i said
it doesn't make sense

NLT has "supreme" not "firstborn"
prototokos is from protos which means foremost and chief, so supreme fits

the NLT version does make sense "Christ is supreme over all creation, 
for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth"

NLT Col 1:15  Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation, 
Col 1:16  for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see—such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him.
Christianity EtcRe: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by johnw47: 1:58am On Jun 18, 2022
Maynman:
Spirit means breathe, any other meaning is delusional.
Exactly, Yahweh portion was given to him by his father.
Y’all are literally worshipping ISRAELITES and ABRAHAMIAC GODS.
God is a title not a person. Bwahahahah
God is both a title and a person
Yahovah is God
God is Yahovah

King of kings and Lord of lords is a title and a person
King of kings and Lord of lords is the Word/Jesus Christ
the Word/Jesus Christ is King of kings and Lord of lords

God
(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being
Christianity EtcRe: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47:
Janosky:
This JohnW fraud typing GIBBERISH, what is the topic of this thread causing you sifia pains?

Why must you always sound like a broken record? grin
Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool


cannot ever stop lying, lost fraud jw janosky

you call truth: fraud and babble, of course you do

you janosky referring to the christians Holy Spirit of the bible, call Him:
"the ole demon ghost"
you janosky referring to the christians Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit of the bible, call them:
"the 3 dogheads"

Mat 12:31  Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men 
Mat 12:32  And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.



you can never stop adding lies to your posts, can you false jw
when you habitually talk lies, you are showing your character of the devil:

Joh 8:44  For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 11:26am On Jun 17, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
No wonder you're always typing out of point! huh
You can't sin against God's Holy Spirit when you don't know what it means. For instance it's only when someone knows the right from the wrong that God punishes such a person for WRONGDOINGS not when you don't even know what you're doing! Luke 23:34
So there's nothing wrong in what Janosky is debunking since you guys can't prove that it's the spirit of the true God.
When Jesus walked the earth several religious groups were already in place and they have their own teachings so when Jesus began his ministry they stood against him because what he's saying totally contradicts what they knew as righteousness.
So how can these religionists sin against God's Holy Spirit?
Is it just by speaking against Jesus' teachings?
Is it by criticizing whatever Jesus say?
Is it by denying his authenticity as the Messiah?
Is it by trying to kill him?
The answer to all these questions is NO!
The one and only reason why they can be said to sin against God's Holy Spirit is after knowing that Jesus' ministry is in line with God's purpose yet kicking against it!
For instance God already told them through Moses that another prophet will come from among that nation and TEACH them something totally different from what Moses taught them and they must listen to him! Deuteronomy 18:15-19
Secondly God said before that time a prophet with the spirit of Elijah will serve as forerunner for this greatest prophet {Malachi 3:1; 4:5} so they're to expect two prophets one immediately after another after about 500 year they had Malachi.
Thirdly the prophet will act like a wonderful counselor and God in their midst with great signs {Isaiah 9:6} and he teach them as one having authority! Isaiah 9:7 compare to Matthew 7:28-29
He will also organize them for a global campaign regarding God's Kingdom that's to come and rule the entire world! Zechariah 8:23 compare to Daniel 2:44
He will be a PRINCE who has come to establish PEACE so there will be none of his earthly subjects attacking one another due to racism, politics or vengeance of past blunders. Isaiah 9:6
Jesus met all these tasks adequately that's why he keep saying "i am doing the WORKS of my father" John 5:17; 10:36-38; 14:10
So if anyone is considering what the scriptures say as taught by the Scribes they will surely know that Jesus is the Messiah (Christ) Matthew 23:2-3
Did these first century Jewish critics knew that Jesus is the promised Messiah?
YES of course! That's why Nicodemus one of them secretly went to Jesus at night to speak with him and learned a lot from him! John 3
This people also had Jewish zealots like Theudas and Judas {Act 5:36-37 compare to John 10:8} who gathered fighters and wanted to lead a revolution against the Roman government, both of them claimed they are the Messiah but they died miserably and all their followers were dispassed.
Jesus of Nazareth was the one and only man who proved beyond reasonable doubt that he is the real Messiah without military effort {Zechariah 4:6} nor disturbance in their neighbourhood! Matthew 12:19
So anyone who knew all these yet criticizing Jesus and the fine WORKS he's doing is no longer sinning against the son of man (Jesus) but actually sinning against God's Holy Spirit that's operating on Jesus {Luke 4:18} to accomplish these tasks! Matthew 12:31-32
But in this case there's no evidence that you people are doing anything having to do with God's purpose rather you're only criticizing JWs because their activities is affecting your positions as religious leaders of the day! John 11:48
Apart from that there's no reason why you can't preach your religion without insulting, abusing or cursing someone else who is preaching his own! smiley
lost blasphemer false jw mad max

you can make excuses til doom's day, they won't save you

when christians talk about the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit
they are of course talking about the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit of the bible

and fraud jw janosky was having a ball calling Father Son and Holy Spirit
things like: "the ole demon ghost" and "the three dog heads" etc.etc.
and you and other false jw's copied him in blaspheming, even giving likes to janosky's blasphemy's

fool yourself oh lost one with your long epistle
you certainly don't fool me

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.

1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Christianity EtcRe: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by johnw47: 11:04am On Jun 17, 2022
Maynman:
You are the confused one.
They are translating a revision grin
and where did i say different

you say either and i say eiver
you say neither and i say neiver

eiver either neither niver, lets call the whole thing off
Christianity EtcRe: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by johnw47: 10:53am On Jun 17, 2022
immaculatesense:
Dear Maynman
I thought I stated it clearly that "VERSION" I never said translation...did I?...pls if I did...I would correct it immediately but I can't see anything of such... thank u
i said translation, he is confused
Christianity EtcRe: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by johnw47: 10:51am On Jun 17, 2022
Maynman:
William Tyndale, jehovah witness bravo
so long as you know NLT stands for new living translation
and not new living version
Christianity EtcRe: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by johnw47: 10:44am On Jun 17, 2022
Maynman:
You are reading a version, not a translation.
NLT stands for new living translation
Christianity EtcRe: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by johnw47: 10:40am On Jun 17, 2022
immaculatesense:
Dear johnw47
Thank God for technology and phones that had made it possible to read all versions in one app and even manuscripts written in the original languages.
I use all scriptures but I most times quote from the New Living Translation (NLT)
yes i have two good bible apps with all of that in them, the one i'm using at the moment
hasn't got NLT, but from memory the other has, i will have a look
thanks
Christianity EtcRe: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by johnw47: 10:17am On Jun 17, 2022
immaculatesense:
Dear MaxinDHouse
This is a conversation that I was so so cautious to no make it segregational or denominational but u av made it seem so from ur angel...
I was born Pentecostal but I am not Pentecostal...I am just notin but a follower of Christ...I am a Sunday school teacher and coordinator or two different denomination. At the start of all my teaching I do tell then...I won't teach u the teaching of men by consensus but I will teach u wat d Bible says and how it was bn said even if it against wat d denomination teach. Leaders of these denomination don't like it wen I conflict with their rule but still they can't just against it,or stop me...they love it but u know all these orders from above kinda thing. Thinks like "you are right truly,but u know these is how we do things in our church from the headquarters,these are wat we were told"
I stated the above for u to know that I am not lenient to denomination but the Bible...
You kept saying secret,secret,secret... revealed by our brethen,taught by them etc.. .forgetting that even Paul himself said if an angel,or any apostle or even himself reveal other things to us that has not been revealed we should not believe...even if they claim to even seen an angel or God...those things may or may not be true...even if they are...we were advised to stick to wat had been reveal so that we will not by any chance loose our strong footing due to not being vigilant enough.
Dear MaxinDHouse I never said u were wrong or right...I don't know myself because it wasn't revealed...my advice had always been let us always stick to wat had bn revealed extensively in the scriptures and not contemporary times with are debatable as I av shown to you.
hi, i would be interested in knowing which bible you prefer
what do you think is the best translation

a tough question, i know
Christianity EtcRe: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by johnw47: 10:05am On Jun 17, 2022
i would have no problem at all calling Jesus in Spirit: the Word of God

hello Word of God



but the Word/Jesus of course will have a new name that i will call Him

Rev_3:12  Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Christianity EtcRe: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by johnw47: 9:38am On Jun 17, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
Your insanity is beyond compare!
says lost mad max, so funny

MaxInDHouse: If you don't agree with anyone's beliefs does it makes them mad?
Surely you're not ripe for mature discussion.
your not mad because your beliefs aren't agreed with
you are mad because you say you can defeat 6 armed combatants single handed
and you can make someone eat and drink through his anus

you tell everyone how your wife loves to play with your dic etc. etc.

saying you are mad is very lenient, you are as crazy as hell

MaxInDHouse: Revelations is not to be taken literally that's why in your churches you don't pray in the name of "The word of God"
Until you people start praying in the name of Word of God before you can prove that the word of God is a literal name! wink
job 15:12 Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at



lost false jw mad max

of course you don't believe God's word that Jesus pre flesh name is
"the Word of God" even though He is called "the Word" even in the beginning of creation

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.


you do however believe the devil and his lies:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.


Jesus is called many names, but not michael, of course
Christianity EtcRe: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 9:20am On Jun 17, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
Jesus warned us not to let emotions becloud our reasoning to the extent of doing what God will never forgive!
Sinning against the Holy Spirit!
lost false jw mad max

when christians talk about the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit
they are talking about the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit of the bible
who fraud jw janosky calls "the 3 dogheads" etc.
he also calls the Holy Spirit "the ole demon ghost" etc

and you lost false jw mad max and other false jw's were happy to join him in his blaspheming

Mat 12:31  Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men 
Mat 12:32  And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Christianity EtcRe: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by johnw47: 8:46am On Jun 17, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
The word of God is not a name rather it's symbolises the duty of the one in question, he is God's chiefspokeperson among the angels "Archangel Michael"
God's word revealed that the Almighty God will raise all His faithful servants back to life {Job 14:13-15} just as He raised Jesus from the dead {Hebrews 5:7} but whose voice will God use?
The scriptures confirmed that it's the voice of His chiefspokeperson Michael the Archangel! 1Thessa 4:16-17

Thank you! smiley
oh duh sayer of anything, false jw mad max

Rev 19:13  And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Christianity EtcRe: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by johnw47: 8:36am On Jun 17, 2022
Janosky:
Jacob is also called Israel, Peter is also called Simon, Dorcas is called Tabitha,Jesus is called 'the Word','the Messiah", why not the archangel Michael he is?
oh duh fraud jw janosky

your comparison sure is so dum

God's word tells of God changing jacob's name to israel, and
God's word tells of saul also being called paul, and
God's word tells of tabitha also being called dorcas
God's word tells of Jesus also being called the Word and the Messiah, and

God's word doesn't tell that Jesus name was michael, but

God's word does tell that "Jesus" name was "The Word"

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:14  And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

^^ "The Word" became flesh/man, and that man is called "Jesus"
Christianity EtcRe: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by johnw47: 8:26am On Jun 17, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
Whenever JWs say the Son of God transformed into the womb of Mary is the Archangel Michael most religionists often feel like raising the roof as if we can't back it up scripturally.
Well i'm not saying you should accept it or preach it to unbelievers because that's the name he bears in the spirit realms before his life as a human and earthly ministry, after his successfully mission on earth {John 19:30} his name is now Jesus Christ the lamb that takes away the sin of the world.
So we don't have to call him by his prehuman name rather let it be known that at the mention of the name of JESUS all knees of those who wants to continue living must bow.
Thank you! smiley
false jw mad max

God's word doesn't say that Jesus name when Spirit is "michael"
God's word does say that Jesus name when Spirit is "The Word of God"

Rev 19:13  He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God.



Jesus name was "The Word" right back at the beginning of creation

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Christianity EtcRe: Slave Shackles From 1852 With Freemason Symbol Clearly Imprinted On Them by johnw47: 6:43am On Jun 16, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
Better! Type in my behalf and respond to yourself Mr oteneaaron (Courz) wink
job 15:12 Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at


fearfully paranoid false jw mad max

you false jw's just love your paranoia and lies.
it's just a couple of the things that define you as belonging to satan's mob:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.


false jw's bad fruits: false prophecies, pretending like lambs on the street, and showing their true wolf colors when anonomously online, constantly lying, paranoia, blaspheming, denying the Lord, etc.etc.

Mat 7:15  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 
Mat 7:16  Ye shall know them by their fruits
Christianity EtcRe: Slave Shackles From 1852 With Freemason Symbol Clearly Imprinted On Them by johnw47:
MaxInDHouse:
How many religionists claiming Christians have you called out for questioning over the authenticity of Jesus Christ of Nazareth?

Is it only Jehovah's Witnesses organization that believes in Jesus?

Well that's exactly what exposed you as the same person called Courz! wink
job 15:12 Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at


false jw mad max

according to your thinking, false jw people having the same line of thought, like you and janosky
and all other false jw's must be the same person smiley u people so dum, aren't you



and paranoid, and, and, and, and, ..................................... >
Christianity EtcRe: Slave Shackles From 1852 With Freemason Symbol Clearly Imprinted On Them by johnw47: 1:23am On Jun 16, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
How many religionists claiming Christians have you called out for questioning over the authenticity of Jesus Christ of Nazareth?

Is it only Jehovah's Witnesses organization that believes in Jesus?

Well that's exactly what exposed you as the same person called Courz! wink
job 15:12 Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at


false jw mad max

you becoming even crazier, amazing

a poem: you not only paranoid as hell, you are so dum as well

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.
Christianity EtcRe: Slave Shackles From 1852 With Freemason Symbol Clearly Imprinted On Them by johnw47:
Janosky:
John W fraud,Confused LYING dullard misquoting the holy Bible.
Shame on you!!!.
lost blasphemer of the Holy Spirit, fraud jw janosky

do show where i misquoted the holy bible, won't you oh so duh one
you come back with that now, you hear smiley

1 cor 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints



you call the Holy spirit: "the ole demon ghost" and "doghead" don't you oh so evil one:

Mat 12:31  Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men 
Mat 12:32  And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.


Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

calling the Holy spirit "the ole demon ghost" etc.
certainly is confusion and lies, it is great confusion and lies


you losties are so dum, aren't you jan
Christianity EtcRe: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by johnw47: 5:51am On Jun 15, 2022
Janosky:
John W you are LYING

3 deities devotees Trinitarians

no get conscience at all.

John W- LYING dey their blood!

LYING clown,

did Jesus Christ baptize anyone with that statement @ Matthew 28:19?

Did any apostle in your Bible conduct any baptism with that statement at Matthew 28:19?

Shameless, LYING Pharisee !
smiley oh great denier of the Lord Jesus Christ


NWT Matthew 28:19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit

^^ even your false jw own book tells of Jesus saying to baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

but still you confused know nothing jehovah wailer fraud janosky, continue to try and prove that the Lord a liar:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father



so dum fraud jw, you don't have to keep trying to be lost
believe what i have been telling you for long time

"YOU ARE LOST"

with your balspheming the Holy Spirit, denying the Lord etc. etc.

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