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Christianity Etc › Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47: 1:48am On Jun 15, 2019
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THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD


The Holy Spirit is Father God:

Mat 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

^^^ The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Father God, Father God is Spirit, the Holy Spirit is God.




And Father God gives believers another comforter (the Word):


The Holy Spirit is the Word:

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; (Jesus is the truth) whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

@bold, Jesus is letting the Apostles know that He is the Holy Spirit: "he dwelleth with you", Jesus dwelled with the Apostles, "and shall be in you"

Jesus said:
Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.





The Holy Spirit is God the Father and the Word, in other words the Holy Spirit is God - God and the Word is God:

Joh_14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 1:23am On Jun 15, 2019
Amazing Grace - Amazing God

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47:
from a christian website

Jehovah’s Witnesses and The Trinity

WT: The word “Trinity” is not found in Scripture. The doctrine is incomprehensible deceptive & confusing. It is pagan in origin and could only have originated with Satan, so as to reproach God and turn men away from Him. Trinitarians are polytheists and their God is a 3-headed freakish monster, difficult to love and worship.

edit to add comment: see how you false jw's cannot be honest for any reason at all
of course trinitarian christians believe God is three persons, and not one person with three heads, ha ha so dud and such liars

TRUTH: The concept is throughout the Bible. We are baptized in the name of all three persons (Mt. 28:19). Jesus used God’s name”I AM” and the Pharisees sought to stone Him for blasphemy. (Jn. 8:57-59 cp. Ex. 3:13, 14). Only God has the power to forgive sin. Jesus often healed by forgiving sin. (1 Jn. 1:9; Mk. 2:5-7). Jesus is the creator and the Alpha & Omega (Heb. 1:2, 3; Col. 1: 16, 17; Jn. 1:1; cp Rev. 1:8 with Rev. 2:8]. Jesus is Eternal Father, Mighty God, Lord (Isa. 9: 6, 7; cp.10:21; Titus 2:13; Rom. 10:9; 1 Cor. 3:12; Phil. 2:11)
Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 1:16am On Jun 15, 2019
lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ
more lies from false jw's vvv
Christianity Etc › Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47:
Maximus69:
My friend, humble yourself to learn from us, we will teach you without cost. Life's water is FREE! Revelations 22:17 cheesy
see the fraud of satans mob
a false jw writes a serious sentence, and laughs at the end of it

Mat_23:15  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Christianity Etc › Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47: 12:41am On Jun 15, 2019
Janosky:
johnw47 your LIES are top notch ,shame on you !!
blinded and tormented Janosky/OneJ you couldn't see the truth with binoculars

johnw47:
oh duh cannot stop lying false accuser like your daddy, Janosky/OneJ

did you find a commentary or two out of scores that agrees with you ha ha
did you find any that don't agree with you smiley

truly

nwt leaves out "and the Lord Jesus Christ" from col 1:12
and also
nwt leaves out "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last" from rev 1:11

just like was said oh cannot stop lying son of your daddy devil;

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Christianity Etc › Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47: 12:36am On Jun 15, 2019
Maximus69:
That is why there is no orderliness amongst you!

For your information, when someone quotes the words of the Apostles or Jesus' word, whoever felt bad is simply not accepting Jesus as Lord!

That is why we're ever calm when you people quote scriptures and start applying it as if you're judging us, we often laugh at you because we know that's not the apllication! Now if she's married to an atheist and speaking abusively of men who are deliberating on the application of the scriptures, what will you say about those Bible verses i quoted for you? 1Corinthians 7:39,14:35 cheesy

Workers of INIQUITY! Matthew 7:23 cheesy

When are you supposed to quote those verses Sir?
Abi those verses are useless? cheesy
of course only one of satans mob would say God's word is useless:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Christianity Etc › Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47: 12:19am On Jun 15, 2019
Janosky:
oh lying Johnw Pharisee ,lying is your nature. No iota of truth in you.
**** https://biblehub.com/colossians/1-2.htm

From God our Father. Among the apostle's
salutations this alone fails to add "and from
our Lord Jesus Christ" - a defect which
copyists were tempted to remedy. "
*** lying Johnw Pharisee, Colossians 1:2 "From God our Father".
That's the genuine, authentic translation.

https://biblehub.com/revelation/1-11.htm
****
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(11) I am Alpha and Omega.--In this verse
we pass from St. John to Him who was the
Word, of whom St. John gave testimony. He
who is the faithful witness now speaks.
"What thou seest, write," &c. The previous
words, "I am Alpha," &c., are not found in the
best MSS. The words "which are in Asia,"
are also omitted.

Pulpit Commentary *****
Verse 11. - On ample evidence ( א , A, C, and
all versions), "I am Alpha ... the Last; and"
must be omitted; also "which are in Asia."

Shameless ,lying Johnw Pharisee ..
oh duh cannot stop lying false accuser like your daddy, Janosky/OneJ

did you find a commentary or two out of scores that agrees with you ha ha
did you find any that don't agree with you smiley

truly

nwt leaves out "and the Lord Jesus Christ" from col 1:12
and also
nwt leaves out "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last" from rev 1:11

just like was said oh cannot stop lying son of your daddy devil;

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47:
Janosky:
Ehn !... Continue oh lying pharisee to plagiarise and copy thief another man's published work....
Shameless crook .

*** Jehovah is NEVER a combination of the vowels in "Adonai", stop lying.


** Matt4:7-10, Aramaic Bible...
Yeshua said to him, "Again it is written:
'You shall not tempt THE LORD JEHOVAH
your God.' "
8 Again The Devil brought him to a very
high mountain, and he showed him all the
Kingdoms of the world and their glory.
9 And he said to him, "All these things I will
give to you if you will fall down to worship
me." 10 Then Yeshua said to him, "Depart
Satan, for it is written: 'You shall worship
THE LORD JEHOVAH your God and him
alone shall you serve.' "

** Matt4:7,10 is a quote of Deut6:13,16.
"As the word has Hebrew origins, it can not be forced into Greek " lying Pharisee Johnw.
So, Johnw ,a writer who quotes your book you wrote should remove your name from the quotation because it's not in his language .
Johnw copy copy thief thief plagiarist, stealing some else published work with any credit to the author(s).
Kai !!!!!!
That is how extremely low, lying Johnw stoops because the truth is NOT in him at all !!!!!
laughing
know nothing confused false accuser false jw deceiver Janosky/OneJ

go and learn what plagiarism means cheesy

false jw your jehovah is a false jehovah having "a god" with him
you believe in two gods, jehovah almighty god and jesus mighty god
two gods there oh polytheist false jw smiley
Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 11:44pm On Jun 14, 2019
Janosky:
Shut up, you lying Pharisee!
Cannibalism and human sacrifice to idols were age long practices. You deceive yourself
ha ha truly lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

the bible verses are about not eating animal blood

oh so duh mumu brain

www.nairaland.com/attachments/9620542_animalblood_gif90bb5a3cfcdc62c7139b909473719fd2
Christianity Etc › Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47: 10:25am On Jun 14, 2019
Maximus69:
Just TWO questions based on the commands of the foundation of Christianity.
(1) Marry only in the Lord { 1Corinthians 7:39} but your sister married an Athesist{those that vehemently debunk the existence of God}
(2) Christian women are to be silent during doctrinal issues { 1Timothy 2:12} she ought to ask her husband {that is a Christian whereas she married an atheist} 1Corinthians 14:35

She even have the impetus to start insulting those who are obedient to the word, calling then ROBOTS! 1Peter 4:4 cheesy

Yet you can't tell her to be watchful of her manners, but with two questions based on the commands from the Bible to help her know she's SINNING AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT{Luke 12:10} by stubbornly ignoring clear admonition from the Apostles, you're there trying to find faults.
Of course BY THEIR FRUIT YOU WILL RECOGNISE men of lawlessness, i'm sure she is a fruit of your DEAD Churches ! Matthew 7:20
Tell her that she is EQUAL all other women the Bible gave those instructions, unless you're a worker of INIQUITY! Matthew 7:23
lying pharisee false jw max
you false jw's are not obedient to the word
you change the word, evil as that is
read these two articles:

https://www.nairaland.com/3793815/how-one-witness-jehovahs-witness/84#79246724
plus the post following that one

https://www.nairaland.com/3793815/how-one-witness-jehovahs-witness/84#79277891
plus the post following that one
Christianity Etc › Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47:
Jozzy4:
grin grin grin grin Are u now saying the Father is holy spirit ? I thought Trinity says they are different persons .
oh duh just like know nothing false jw Janosky/OneJ

the Holy spirit is God, the Father is God, work it out




answering for me of course
nutarious probably explains and knows things better than me
i'm just a "know little" christian but which is far better though than a "know nothing" false jw
Christianity Etc › Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47: 7:45am On Jun 14, 2019
Jozzy4:
Shut up there grin grin , is holy spirit the Father ?
confused know nothing false jw jozz

the Holy Spirit is God, God is Father and the word, john 1:1
read the verses i have posted and the ones below and the ones to come over the following days and learn something oh great fellow know nothing of Janosky/OneJ


The Holy Ghost is the Father of Jesus, verse 18 & 20

Mat 1:18  Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 
Mat 1:19  Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. 
Mat 1:20  But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 


Jesus is the Son of God, hence the Holy Spirit is God

Luk 1:35  And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Joh 1:34  And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
Christianity Etc › Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47:
The Holy Spirit is God

none can flee from the Spirit - the LORD vvv

Psa 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

Jer 23:23 Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?
Jer 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.

^^^ The LORD - The Holy Spirit, is everywhere





Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

God is a spirit
God is everywhere
God resides in believers
the Holy Spirit is ofcourse God, who is a Spirit, God and the Word.

"we will come unto him, and make our abode with him"
"the Word was with God and the Word was God"
"let us make man in our image" etc.

The Word may have had a beginning as a person, but His Spirit is Eternal.


more to follow
Christianity Etc › Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47:
Barristter07:
Firstly, I admire your courage to quote the above verses, but I will restate that PERSONIFICATION does not prove personality .

I have my reason:

There are as well other verses that speak of holy spirit been shared , people been filled with it etc .

To solve this dillema, Let's take a look at a single scripture that highlight EVERY personality that exist in the universe .

Matthew 24:36

" Concerning that day and hour NOBODY KNOWS, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father "

Two issues here

1. [i] If Holy spirit is a personality why was it ommited from this list whereas angels are mentioned ?

2. Someone might say it probably belong to the category of " Nobody Knows " . if so this question the position that it is God , and once its God status is questioned, it's personality status followed suite .





Cc: nutarious
why has he courage to post the above verses,
it's because of your twisting of said verses
but it doesn't take courage to face a lying twister of God's word


lie lie barristter
oh duh, the Holy Spirit wasn't specifically mentioned in that verse, however He is God
gabriel wasn't specifically mentioned in that verse either, however he is a angel

all christians know that the Holy Spirit is God
God is a Spirit, who else could the Holy Spirit be but God

some verses showing that the Holy spirit is God:

Psa_99:9 Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at his holy hill; for the LORD our God is holy.

1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.



Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth

2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

God is holy
God is a Spirit
the Holy Spirit is God.

more bible verses showing that the Holy spirit is God to follow
Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 2:04am On Jun 14, 2019
from a christian website

Watchtower: FALSE DOCTRINES

The Watch Tower is dangerous in that it claims to be Christian. It purposely at the top deceives the people through classic cult mind control. It lies about it’s past false prophecies, it lies about God’s word in it’s pitiful New World Translation no Greek scholar ever confirmed, and most of all it lies about the very nature of Jesus Christ.

God’s Name
WT: Jehovah is God’s true name. Superstitious Jewish Scribes removed it from the Bible, but our New World Translation faithfully restored it to the OT & inserted it in the NT where it made sense to do so. using Jehovah’s name is essential to salvation (Rom. 10:13 NWT).

OT Scribes used the Hebrew consonants YHVH. Later these were combined with the vowels from “Adonai” (Lord). The result was “Yahovah”, later translated “Jehovah”—A Man-Made Term! As the word has Hebrew origins, it cannot be forced into the Greek NT. In all of the Greek manuscripts we have, “Kurios” (Lord) or “Theos” (God) is used, Never Jehovah—not even when quoting the OT!

* NOTE: It is not the use of the name itself that is problematic, but how the WT uses it to skew theology!

to be continued
Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 1:27am On Jun 14, 2019
know nothing Janosky/OneJ, truly the verses are concerning eating animal blood
eating human blood was not a practise as need to be spoken off

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:38am On Jun 14, 2019
Awesome Wonderful Lord God

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47:
know nothing false jw Janosky/OneJ
you repeat the same things over and over again because those lies and confusion are all you have, laugh
but most of all you don't understand or believe God's word and change it:

Deu 4:2  Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deu 12:32  What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Pro 30:6  Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
^^^ He finds you false jw's liars in most of your posts, doesn't He smiley

Mat 15:9  But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 

Rev 22:18  For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 
Rev 22:19  And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

^^^ you false jw's completely removed "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last" from your false nwt rev 1:11
evil as you are, and that's just one instance. but i know there is a price you will pay for that, because i unlike false jw's believe what God says:

"God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book"

"God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book"


Mat_23:15  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47:
Janosky:
Janosky :
Jesus said he is the son of God, the
sons of God are gods. John 10:34-36.
Jesus is a god in heaven, Jesus said
he is a son of God in heaven
(Rev3:5,21. 1Cor8:4,5) ,on earth Jesus
is still the son of God. That is what his
disciples believed and preached
(John1:18,49.
20:17,30,31.Matt16:13-17
Acts9:20).
No disciple preached satanic doctrine
of Trinity.
Janosky :
Corrupt Pharisee , go and tear 1 Cor
15:24-27 ,Rev3:5,12-14,21.
Matt16:13-17.
OLAADEGBU "Jesus is Jehovah"
delusion, so Almighty God has a Father
in heaven? Rev 3:5,21.
Ndia ara iberibe.....

Johnw lying Pharisee says these Bible verses are lies because he hates the truth embedded in them.
These guys are so 'wise' they can't twist Rev 3:5,21, John20:17 and 1Cor15:24-27 to blend with their "Jesus is Jehovah" delusion.
tormented lying pharisee deceiver Janosky/OneJ
repeating your same lies and confusion over and over again

yes i know that your jesus is "a god"
you polytheist false jw's know nothing, you believe in two gods
a almighty god the father and a mighty god the son, two gods, oh dud duh duh

however the truth is Father and Son(two persons) is (the one)God:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

ask for more verses showing the same, i will be happy to oblige you, oh such a duh one


ha ha ha false jw you call everything a lie, the bible, your own publications, etc.
but not your satanic false doctrines, they are true to you, such a evil one:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 2:43am On Jun 13, 2019
O Lord my God
How great Thou art

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 1:30am On Jun 13, 2019
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John 14:10 (NASB), “Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works."

NWT: "Do you not believe that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me? The things I say to you I do not speak of my own originality, but the Father who remains in union with me is doing his works."

This is another obvious alteration in the New World translation. In their attempt to avoid the deity of Christ, they scour the Bible and alter any verses that would suggest that Jesus is divine.




Colossians 1:15-17 (NASB), "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together."

NWT: "He is the image of the invisible God,m the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist."

The word "other" is inserted four times in the NWT. It is not in the original Greek, nor is it implied.
This is a section where Jesus is described as being the creator of all things. Since the Jehovah's Witness organization believes that Jesus is created, they have inserted the word "other" to show that Jesus was before all "other" things that were created, implying that He is also created.
There are two Greek words for "other": heteros, and allos. The first means another of a different kind, and the second means another of the same kind. Neither is used at all in this section of scripture. The Jehovah's Witness have changed the Bible to make it fit their aberrant theology.



Hebrews 1:6 (NASB), "And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, 'and let all the angels of God worship him.'”

NWT: "But when he again brings his Firstbornm into the inhabited earth, he says: 'And let all of God’s angels do obeisance to him.'”

In this verse they translate the Greek word for worship, proskuneo, as "obeisance." Obeisance is a word that means to honor, show respect, even bow down before someone. Since Jesus, to them, is created, then he cannot be worshiped. They have also done this in other verses concerning Jesus, i.e., Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33; 28:9.




Hebrews 1:8 (NASB), "But of the Son He says, 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of his kingdom.'"

NWT: "But about the Son, he says: 'God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.'"

This is a verse where God the Father is calling Jesus God: "But about the Son he says, 'Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.'" Since the Jehovah's Witnesses don't agree with that, they have changed the Bible, yet again, to agree with their theology. They have translated the verse as "...God is your throne..." The problem with the Jehovah's Witness translation is that this verse is a quote from Psalm 45:6 which, from the Hebrew, can only be translated as "...Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom." To justify their New Testament translation they actually changed the OT verse to agree with their theology, too!


Conclusion on the New World Transation
The NWT translation is a bad translation. It has changed the text to suit its own theological bias in many places. It misrepresents the person and work of Christ as well as the personhood of the Holy Spirit. The New World translation should be avoided.
Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:51am On Jun 13, 2019
from a christian website

Bad Translations of the Jehovah's Witness' Bible, the New World Translation (NWT).


Following are some of the many bad "translations" offered by the watchtower Bible Track Society's translation of the Bible known as the New World Translation (NWT). Because the Jehovah's Witness organization denies the deity of both Jesus and the Holy Spirit, they have altered the text of God's word to reflect their presuppositions.

I have cited the NASB Bible, a very accurate translation and compared it with the NWT. I also underlined the important changes so you can more easily see them.

Genesis 1:1-2 (NASB), "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters."

NWT: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and desolate, and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep, and God’s active force was moving about over the surface of the waters.

The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society denies that the Holy Spirit is alive, the third person of the Trinity. Therefore, they have changed the correct translation of "...the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters," to say "...and God's active force was moving over the surface of the waters."

The Holy Spirit is not God's active force. The Holy Spirit speaks. An active force does not speak.

Acts 8:29, "Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot.”

Acts 13:2, "While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”



Zechariah 12:10 (NASB), "And I [God] will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son."

NWT: “I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of favor and supplication, and they will look to the one whom they pierced, and they will wail over him as they would wail over an only son; and they will grieve bitterly over him as they would grieve over a firstborn son
.
The Jehovah's Witnesses change the word "me" to "the one" so that it says in their Bible, "...they will look upon the one whom they have pierced..." Since the Jehovah's Witnesses deny that Jesus is God in flesh, then Zech. 12:10 would present obvious problems, so they changed it.




John 1:1 (NASB), "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

NWT: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."
The Watchtower mistranslate the verse as "a god."

Again, because the Jehovah's Witnesses deny God in flesh for the Scriptures (John 1:1, 14; Col. 2:9), they must change the Bible to make it agree with their theology. The Jehovah's Witness version in the New World Translation says, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."
Notice that "a god" is there so-called translation. But this is problematic since it would imply polytheism. I asked Jehovah's Witnesses if they believe Jesus was a god. When they say yes, then I bring up the error of their polytheism.

to be continued
Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:30am On Jun 13, 2019
lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

you don't believe God's word which goes against your false doctrines

and your jw magazine publications that have contradictions and false prophecies etc.
you deny that they were written and say they are frauds, ha ha ha

such is your extreme built in denial of the truth
your indogenous habitual lying is of course from
the devil, the father of lies, your father and your god:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 6:52am On Jun 12, 2019
continued

The most well-known of all the New World Translation perversions is John 1:1. The original Greek text reads, “the Word was God.” The NWT renders it as “the word was a god.” This is not a matter of correct translation, but of reading one's preconceived theology into the text, rather than allowing the text to speak for itself. There is no indefinite article in Greek (in English, "a" or "an"], so any use of an indefinite article in English must be added by the translator. This is grammatically acceptable, so long as it does not change the meaning of the text.

There is a good reason why theos has no definite article in John 1:1 and why the New World Translation rendering is in error. There are three general rules we need to understand to see why.

1. In Greek, word order does not determine word usage like it does in English. In English, a sentence is structured according to word order: Subject - Verb - Object. Thus, "Harry called the dog" is not equivalent to "the dog called Harry." But in Greek, a word's function is determined by the case ending found attached to the word's root. There are two case endings for the root theo: one is -s (theos), the other is -n (theon). The -s ending normally identifies a noun as being the subject of a sentence, while the -n ending normally identifies a noun as the direct object.

2. When a noun functions as a predicate nominative (in English, a noun that follows a being verb such as "is"], its case ending must match the noun's case that it renames, so that the reader will know which noun it is defining. Therefore, theo must take the -s ending because it is renaming logos. Therefore, John 1:1 transliterates to "kai theos en ho logos." Is theos the subject, or is logos? Both have the -s ending. The answer is found in the next rule.

3. In cases where two nouns appear, and both take the same case ending, the author will often add the definite article to the word that is the subject in order to avoid confusion. John put the definite article on logos (“the Word”) instead of on theos. So, logos is the subject, and theos is the predicate nominative. In English, this results in John 1:1 being read as "and the Word was God" (instead of "and God was the word"].

The most revealing evidence of the Watchtower's bias is their inconsistent translation technique. Throughout the Gospel of John, the Greek word theon occurs without a definite article. The New World Translation renders none of these as “a god.” Even more inconsistent, in John 1:18, the NWT translates the same term as both "God" and "god" in the very same sentence.

The Watchtower, therefore, has no hard textual grounds for their translation—only their own theological bias. While New World Translation defenders might succeed in showing that John 1:1 can be translated as they have done, they cannot show that it is the proper translation. Nor can they explain the fact that that the NWT does not translate the same Greek phrases elsewhere in the Gospel of John the same way. It is only the pre-conceived heretical rejection of the deity of Christ that forces the Watchtower Society to inconsistently translate the Greek text, thus allowing their error to gain some semblance of legitimacy in the minds of those ignorant of the facts.

It is only the Watchtower's pre-conceived heretical beliefs that are behind the dishonest and inconsistent translation that is the New World Translation. The New World Translation is most definitely not a valid version of God’s Word. There are minor differences among all the major English translations of the Bible. No English translation is perfect. However, while other Bible translators make minor mistakes in the rendering of the Hebrew and Greek text into English, the NWT intentionally changes the rendering of the text to conform to Jehovah’s Witness theology. The New World Translation is a perversion, not a version, of the Bible.
Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 6:29am On Jun 12, 2019
from a christian website


Question: "Is the New World Translation a valid version of the Bible?"

Answer:
The New World Translation (NWT) is defined by the Jehovah's Witnesses’ parent organization (the Watchtower Society) as "a translation of the Holy Scriptures made directly from Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek into modern-day English by a committee of anointed witnesses of Jehovah." The NWT is the anonymous work of the “New World Bible Translation Committee.” Jehovah’s Witnesses claim that the anonymity is in place so that the credit for the work will go to God. Of course, this has the added benefit of keeping the translators from any accountability for their errors and prevents real scholars from checking their academic credentials.

The New World Translation is unique in one thing – it is the first intentional, systematic effort at producing a complete version of the Bible that is edited and revised for the specific purpose of agreeing with a group's doctrine. The Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watchtower Society realized that their beliefs contradicted Scripture. So, rather than conforming their beliefs to Scripture, they altered Scripture to agree with their beliefs. The “New World Bible Translation Committee” went through the Bible and changed any Scripture that did not agree with Jehovah’s Witness theology. This is clearly demonstrated by the fact that, as new editions of the New World Translation were published, additional changes were made to the biblical text. As biblical Christians continued to point out Scriptures that clearly argue for the deity of Christ (for example), the Watchtower Society would publish new editions of the New World Translation with those Scriptures changed. Here are some of the more prominent examples of intentional revisions:

The NWT gives the translation "presence" instead of “coming” for the Greek word parousia because Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Christ has already returned in the early 1900s. In Colossians 1:16, the NWT inserts the word “other” despite its being completely absent from the original Greek text. It does this to give the view that “all other things” were created by Christ, instead of what the text says, “all things were created by Christ.” This is to go along with their belief that Christ is a created being, which they believe because they deny the Trinity.

to be continued
Christianity Etc › Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47:
Janosky:
Lying Pharisee Shadeyinka,you have no proof that 1,2,3 are serving our Most High God, Jehovah (Psalms 83:18), the God and Father of our lord Jesus Christ (John 20:17, Rev 3:5,21. Acts 3:13. Eph1:3. 3:14,15).
lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

your jehovah god is a false jehovah who you call almighty god
and your lord jesus christ is a false christ who you call mighty god, two god's there oh polytheist

of course Almighty and Mighty are names for the one true God, ask for verses

so in the beginning when all that existed was your jehovah god
he had "a god" with Him, ha ha

truly in the beginning was the Word, and the word was with God
and the Word was God, john 1:1

in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth, not "a god" created the heaven and the earth, and not a angel either oh duh one

Gen 1:1  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


in the beginning Jesus(God the Word) created the heaven and the earth

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
Joh 1:2  The same was in the beginning with God. 
Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Father and the Word (God), john 1:1, created the heaven and the earth 

ask for more scriptures showing that Jesus is God, is Jehovah
Christianity Etc › Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47: 1:22am On Jun 12, 2019
Janosky:
Lying Pharisees, your false gospel of trinity is NOT the Gospel of Jesus which apostles Peter preached (Acts 3:12,13) or Paul preached Acts 9:17-20., Eph 1:3. Rom 15:5,6. Galatians 1:8, John 10:34-36. 7:16. 5:37. 6:46. It's crystal clear what the gospel of Jesus is. special emphasis on Acts 9 verse20.
JWs stick to the scriptures and the apostolic example of the first century Christians. Acts15:1-31.
Acts 9:4-31 is another case study of how well organized the first century Christians were , under Christ's leadership .
That's an Organization in practice .
ha ha ha
lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

false jw's change the scriptures


Col 1:2  To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

false jw's completely removed "and the Lord Jesus Christ" from your false nwt

Rev 1:11  Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

you false jw's completely removed "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last" from your false nwt 
evil as you are

false jw's, false accusers, false prophets, false nwt, false doctrines, false jesus, false jehovah, false everything
Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:44am On Jun 12, 2019
lying pharisee deceiver false accuser false jw Janosky/OneJ

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:31am On Jun 12, 2019
Janosky:
their "Jesus is Jehovah" delusion.
deluded know nothing false jw Janosky/OneJ


Jesus
Jehovah
God The Lord and Saviour

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:03am On Jun 12, 2019
Janosky:
https://dailypost.ng/2014/11/03/left-deeper-life-church-called-tv-set-devils-box-tunde-bakare/
One day, while I was ministering and a
brother was interpreting, I was giving
example of the “faith cometh by hearing and
hearing the word of God” and I said,
‘Supposing you go to a supermarket to buy
soap, you might not know what soap to buy
but because you watched the advertisement
of Joy soap on television, then you would
look for Joy soap because you have been
hearing about it.’ And my interpreter said:
“If you have been watching the devil’s box…”
I told him I didn’t say devil’s box but
television, and he repeated, saying the
devil’s box and Brother Kumuyi was behind
us. I said I didn’t say devil’s box and that
the normal interpretation was amu ohun mu
aworan, (the box that captures both the
voice and the visuals). Anyway, he still said
what he said. The following Sunday, Brother
Kumuyi came up with what he called
“Sunday Exaltation”; he said that even if you
repair television, you are a child of the devil.
Then I took my Bible and left. I went home
and said I would serve my God, but was not
interested any more in church. “ he
revealed."

Olaadegbu lying Pharisee "even if you repair television ,you are a child of the devil".
You no get shame dey lie lie for this forum .
Lol ..

Go visit any campus congregation in all the nooks and crannies of this country, what you're going to observe there, DESTROYS your "only God knows how many careers" fallacy and the fictional claims of Johnw lying Pharisee which he forged from God knows where.



tormented lying pharisee deceiver, false accuser, copycat, blinded, confused, brain like a sieve, know nothing, make God out a liar, devil's witness, paranoid sewer mouth false jw Janosky/OneJ

ummm, am i now brother kumuyi
you are such a confused and paranoid evil one, of course
just like your daddy: smiley

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 11:49pm On Jun 11, 2019
Janosky:
Johnw lying Pharisee says these Bible verses are lies because he hates the truth embedded in them.
These guys are so 'wise' they can't twist Rev 3:5,21, John20:17 and 1Cor15:24-27 to blend with their "Jesus is Jehovah" delusion.
post the quote where i said those verses are lies, come back on that now you hear
and in fact i have taught you on those verses more than once
oh cannot stop lying-false accuser just like your daddy:

Rev 12:10  And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

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