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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 6:50pm On Jun 08
OLAADEGBU:


We do not serve the same Jesus to start with. I agree that your secular career cannot give you eternal life neither does your "Awake" or "Watchtower" magazines.

If you cannot give us the evidence where a law of not watching television was decreed or people losing their lives as a result of not watching television then you should forever hold your peace.
ifeoluwatomi( m): 10:58am On
Feb 18, 2018
...
FYI... My mom once worked for
the Kumuyis .. They had no TVs.
https://www.nairaland.com/4354093/5-old-beliefs-pastor-kumuyi

Your lies been exposed.

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 7:03pm On Jun 08
Janosky:

Corrupt Pharisee , go and tear 1 Cor 15:24-27 ,Rev3:5,12-14,21. Matt16:13-17.
OLAADEGBU "Jesus is Jehovah" delusion, so Almighty God has a Father in heaven? Rev 3:5,21.
Ndia ara iberibe.....
Janosky:

Jesus said he is the son of God, the sons of God are gods. John 10:34-36. Jesus is a god in heaven, Jesus said he is a son of God in heaven (Rev3:5,21. 1Cor8:4,5) ,on earth Jesus is still the son of God. That is what his disciples believed and preached (John1:18,49. 20:17,30,31.Matt16:13-17
Acts9:20).
No disciple preached satanic doctrine of Trinity.
Janosky:

Corrupt Pharisee , go and tear 1 Cor 15:24-27 ,Rev3:5,12-14,21. Matt16:13-17.
OLAADEGBU "Jesus is Jehovah" delusion, so Almighty God has a Father in heaven? Rev 3:5,21.
Ndia ara iberibe.....
Your satanic scam doctrine can not ,will never twist the truth in the scriptures quoted above.... oh johnw ,olaadegbu lying Pharisees.
Case closed.

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:03am On Jun 09
Janosky:

Your satanic scam doctrine can not ,will never twist the truth in the scriptures quoted above.... oh johnw ,olaadegbu lying Pharisees.
Case closed.

lying pharisee deceiver false jw janosky/OneJ

you know nothing and you repeat the same things over and over again
and you repeat bible verse numbers for verses that you don't understand
although they have been explained to you many times and with other scriptures

repeating your lies and confusion over and over again is just another way that you
run away from the truth, oh weakie Janosky/OneJ

Mat_23:15  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

https://www.nairaland.com/3793815/how-one-witness-jehovahs-witness/83#79132704 smiley ha ha ha
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:18am On Jun 09
lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

smiley

Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:29pm On Jun 09
Janosky:


ifeoluwatomi( m): 10:58am On
Feb 18, 2018
...
FYI... My mom once worked for
the Kumuyis .. They had no TVs.
https://www.nairaland.com/4354093/5-old-beliefs-pastor-kumuyi

Your lies been exposed.

This is the result of not completing your education as a result of false prophecies emitted from your magazines. Have you not seen how Johnw47 quoted the articles of your magazines? All you can do is to say someone somewhere said they had no TVs. Where is the quote supposedly said by the GS banning members from watching TVs? What is the evidence that not watching TVs prevents you from being educated? And you that has watched TV is this the level of enlightenment you've got? undecided

Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:09am On Jun 10
extremely confused Janosky/OneJ
you don't understand or believe God's word
but in your ignorance you are happy to make Him out a liar
evil as you are

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:35am On Jun 10
all of these false christians like the false jw sect
is why christianity has a bad name with many

Pro 14:5  A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

^^^ absolutely talking off false jw's who utter and utter and utter and never stop uttering lies, true
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 11:52pm On Jun 10
What a Friend we have in Jesus

Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 6:33pm On Jun 11
OLAADEGBU:


All you can do is to say someone somewhere said they had no TVs. Where is the quote supposedly said by the GS banning members from watching TVs? What is the evidence that not watching TVs prevents you from being educated? And you that has watched TV is this the level of enlightenment you've got? undecided
https://dailypost.ng/2014/11/03/left-deeper-life-church-called-tv-set-devils-box-tunde-bakare/
One day, while I was ministering and a
brother was interpreting, I was giving
example of the “faith cometh by hearing and
hearing the word of God” and I said,
‘Supposing you go to a supermarket to buy
soap, you might not know what soap to buy
but because you watched the advertisement
of Joy soap on television, then you would
look for Joy soap because you have been
hearing about it.’ And my interpreter said:
“If you have been watching the devil’s box…”
I told him I didn’t say devil’s box but
television, and he repeated, saying the
devil’s box and Brother Kumuyi was behind
us. I said I didn’t say devil’s box and that
the normal interpretation was amu ohun mu
aworan, (the box that captures both the
voice and the visuals). Anyway, he still said
what he said. The following Sunday, Brother
Kumuyi came up with what he called
“Sunday Exaltation”; he said that even if you
repair television, you are a child of the devil.
Then I took my Bible and left. I went home
and said I would serve my God, but was not
interested any more in church. “ he
revealed."

Olaadegbu lying Pharisee "even if you repair television ,you are a child of the devil".
You no get shame dey lie lie for this forum .
Lol ..

Go visit any campus congregation in all the nooks and crannies of this country, what you're going to observe there, DESTROYS your "only God knows how many careers" fallacy and the fictional claims of Johnw lying Pharisee which he forged from God knows where.

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 7:43pm On Jun 11
johnw47:

jw's who utter and utter and utter and never stop uttering lies, true
Janosky :
Jesus said he is the son of God, the
sons of God are gods. John 10:34-36.
Jesus is a god in heaven, Jesus said
he is a son of God in heaven
(Rev3:5,21. 1Cor8:4,5) ,on earth Jesus
is still the son of God. That is what his
disciples believed and preached
(John1:18,49.
20:17,30,31.Matt16:13-17
Acts9:20).
No disciple preached satanic doctrine
of Trinity.
Janosky :
Corrupt Pharisee , go and tear 1 Cor
15:24-27 ,Rev3:5,12-14,21.
Matt16:13-17.
OLAADEGBU "Jesus is Jehovah"
delusion, so Almighty God has a Father
in heaven? Rev 3:5,21.
Ndia ara iberibe.....

Johnw lying Pharisee says these Bible verses are lies because he hates the truth embedded in them.
These guys are so 'wise' they can't twist Rev 3:5,21, John20:17 and 1Cor15:24-27 to blend with their "Jesus is Jehovah" delusion.

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 11:33pm On Jun 11
Janosky:

Janosky :
Jesus said he is the son of God, the
sons of God are gods. John 10:34-36.
Jesus is a god in heaven, Jesus said
he is a son of God in heaven
(Rev3:5,21. 1Cor8:4,5) ,on earth Jesus
is still the son of God. That is what his
disciples believed and preached
(John1:18,49.
20:17,30,31.Matt16:13-17
Acts9:20).
No disciple preached satanic doctrine
of Trinity.
Janosky :
Corrupt Pharisee , go and tear 1 Cor
15:24-27 ,Rev3:5,12-14,21.
Matt16:13-17.
OLAADEGBU "Jesus is Jehovah"
delusion, so Almighty God has a Father
in heaven? Rev 3:5,21.
Ndia ara iberibe.....

Johnw lying Pharisee says these Bible verses are lies because he hates the truth embedded in them.
These guys are so 'wise' they can't twist Rev 3:5,21, John20:17 and 1Cor15:24-27 to blend with their "Jesus is Jehovah" delusion.

tormented lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ
repeating your same lies and confusion over and over again
you don't understand or believe God's word and you know nothing except the lies and confusion that your daddy through his false jw church teaches you

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 11:49pm On Jun 11
Janosky:


Johnw lying Pharisee says these Bible verses are lies because he hates the truth embedded in them.
These guys are so 'wise' they can't twist Rev 3:5,21, John20:17 and 1Cor15:24-27 to blend with their "Jesus is Jehovah" delusion.

post the quote where i said those verses are lies, come back on that now you hear
and in fact i have taught you on those verses more than once
oh cannot stop lying-false accuser just like your daddy:

Rev 12:10  And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:03am On Jun 12
Janosky:


https://dailypost.ng/2014/11/03/left-deeper-life-church-called-tv-set-devils-box-tunde-bakare/
One day, while I was ministering and a
brother was interpreting, I was giving
example of the “faith cometh by hearing and
hearing the word of God” and I said,
‘Supposing you go to a supermarket to buy
soap, you might not know what soap to buy
but because you watched the advertisement
of Joy soap on television, then you would
look for Joy soap because you have been
hearing about it.’ And my interpreter said:
“If you have been watching the devil’s box…”
I told him I didn’t say devil’s box but
television, and he repeated, saying the
devil’s box and Brother Kumuyi was behind
us. I said I didn’t say devil’s box and that
the normal interpretation was amu ohun mu
aworan, (the box that captures both the
voice and the visuals). Anyway, he still said
what he said. The following Sunday, Brother
Kumuyi came up with what he called
“Sunday Exaltation”; he said that even if you
repair television, you are a child of the devil.
Then I took my Bible and left. I went home
and said I would serve my God, but was not
interested any more in church. “ he
revealed."

Olaadegbu lying Pharisee "even if you repair television ,you are a child of the devil".
You no get shame dey lie lie for this forum .
Lol ..

Go visit any campus congregation in all the nooks and crannies of this country, what you're going to observe there, DESTROYS your "only God knows how many careers" fallacy and the fictional claims of Johnw lying Pharisee which he forged from God knows where.



tormented lying pharisee deceiver, false accuser, copycat, blinded, confused, brain like a sieve, know nothing, make God out a liar, devil's witness, paranoid sewer mouth false jw Janosky/OneJ

ummm, am i now brother kumuyi
you are such a confused and paranoid evil one, of course
just like your daddy: smiley

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:31am On Jun 12
Janosky:

their "Jesus is Jehovah" delusion.

deluded know nothing false jw Janosky/OneJ


Jesus
Jehovah
God The Lord and Saviour

Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:44am On Jun 12
lying pharisee deceiver false accuser false jw Janosky/OneJ

Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 6:29am On Jun 12
from a christian website


Question: "Is the New World Translation a valid version of the Bible?"

Answer:
The New World Translation (NWT) is defined by the Jehovah's Witnesses’ parent organization (the Watchtower Society) as "a translation of the Holy Scriptures made directly from Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek into modern-day English by a committee of anointed witnesses of Jehovah." The NWT is the anonymous work of the “New World Bible Translation Committee.” Jehovah’s Witnesses claim that the anonymity is in place so that the credit for the work will go to God. Of course, this has the added benefit of keeping the translators from any accountability for their errors and prevents real scholars from checking their academic credentials.

The New World Translation is unique in one thing – it is the first intentional, systematic effort at producing a complete version of the Bible that is edited and revised for the specific purpose of agreeing with a group's doctrine. The Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watchtower Society realized that their beliefs contradicted Scripture. So, rather than conforming their beliefs to Scripture, they altered Scripture to agree with their beliefs. The “New World Bible Translation Committee” went through the Bible and changed any Scripture that did not agree with Jehovah’s Witness theology. This is clearly demonstrated by the fact that, as new editions of the New World Translation were published, additional changes were made to the biblical text. As biblical Christians continued to point out Scriptures that clearly argue for the deity of Christ (for example), the Watchtower Society would publish new editions of the New World Translation with those Scriptures changed. Here are some of the more prominent examples of intentional revisions:

The NWT gives the translation "presence" instead of “coming” for the Greek word parousia because Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Christ has already returned in the early 1900s. In Colossians 1:16, the NWT inserts the word “other” despite its being completely absent from the original Greek text. It does this to give the view that “all other things” were created by Christ, instead of what the text says, “all things were created by Christ.” This is to go along with their belief that Christ is a created being, which they believe because they deny the Trinity.

to be continued
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 6:52am On Jun 12
continued

The most well-known of all the New World Translation perversions is John 1:1. The original Greek text reads, “the Word was God.” The NWT renders it as “the word was a god.” This is not a matter of correct translation, but of reading one's preconceived theology into the text, rather than allowing the text to speak for itself. There is no indefinite article in Greek (in English, "a" or "an"], so any use of an indefinite article in English must be added by the translator. This is grammatically acceptable, so long as it does not change the meaning of the text.

There is a good reason why theos has no definite article in John 1:1 and why the New World Translation rendering is in error. There are three general rules we need to understand to see why.

1. In Greek, word order does not determine word usage like it does in English. In English, a sentence is structured according to word order: Subject - Verb - Object. Thus, "Harry called the dog" is not equivalent to "the dog called Harry." But in Greek, a word's function is determined by the case ending found attached to the word's root. There are two case endings for the root theo: one is -s (theos), the other is -n (theon). The -s ending normally identifies a noun as being the subject of a sentence, while the -n ending normally identifies a noun as the direct object.

2. When a noun functions as a predicate nominative (in English, a noun that follows a being verb such as "is"], its case ending must match the noun's case that it renames, so that the reader will know which noun it is defining. Therefore, theo must take the -s ending because it is renaming logos. Therefore, John 1:1 transliterates to "kai theos en ho logos." Is theos the subject, or is logos? Both have the -s ending. The answer is found in the next rule.

3. In cases where two nouns appear, and both take the same case ending, the author will often add the definite article to the word that is the subject in order to avoid confusion. John put the definite article on logos (“the Word”) instead of on theos. So, logos is the subject, and theos is the predicate nominative. In English, this results in John 1:1 being read as "and the Word was God" (instead of "and God was the word"].

The most revealing evidence of the Watchtower's bias is their inconsistent translation technique. Throughout the Gospel of John, the Greek word theon occurs without a definite article. The New World Translation renders none of these as “a god.” Even more inconsistent, in John 1:18, the NWT translates the same term as both "God" and "god" in the very same sentence.

The Watchtower, therefore, has no hard textual grounds for their translation—only their own theological bias. While New World Translation defenders might succeed in showing that John 1:1 can be translated as they have done, they cannot show that it is the proper translation. Nor can they explain the fact that that the NWT does not translate the same Greek phrases elsewhere in the Gospel of John the same way. It is only the pre-conceived heretical rejection of the deity of Christ that forces the Watchtower Society to inconsistently translate the Greek text, thus allowing their error to gain some semblance of legitimacy in the minds of those ignorant of the facts.

It is only the Watchtower's pre-conceived heretical beliefs that are behind the dishonest and inconsistent translation that is the New World Translation. The New World Translation is most definitely not a valid version of God’s Word. There are minor differences among all the major English translations of the Bible. No English translation is perfect. However, while other Bible translators make minor mistakes in the rendering of the Hebrew and Greek text into English, the NWT intentionally changes the rendering of the text to conform to Jehovah’s Witness theology. The New World Translation is a perversion, not a version, of the Bible.
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:30am On Jun 12
Janosky:


https://dailypost.ng/2014/11/03/left-deeper-life-church-called-tv-set-devils-box-tunde-bakare/
One day, while I was ministering and a
brother was interpreting, I was giving
example of the “faith cometh by hearing and
hearing the word of God” and I said,
‘Supposing you go to a supermarket to buy
soap, you might not know what soap to buy
but because you watched the advertisement
of Joy soap on television, then you would
look for Joy soap because you have been
hearing about it.’ And my interpreter said:
“If you have been watching the devil’s box…”
I told him I didn’t say devil’s box but
television, and he repeated, saying the
devil’s box and Brother Kumuyi was behind
us. I said I didn’t say devil’s box and that
the normal interpretation was amu ohun mu
aworan, (the box that captures both the
voice and the visuals). Anyway, he still said
what he said. The following Sunday, Brother
Kumuyi came up with what he called
“Sunday Exaltation”; he said that even if you
repair television, you are a child of the devil.
Then I took my Bible and left. I went home
and said I would serve my God, but was not
interested any more in church. “ he
revealed."

Olaadegbu lying Pharisee "even if you repair television ,you are a child of the devil".
You no get shame dey lie lie for this forum .
Lol ..

Go visit any campus congregation in all the nooks and crannies of this country, what you're going to observe there, DESTROYS your "only God knows how many careers" fallacy and the fictional claims of Johnw lying Pharisee which he forged from God knows where.

Posting what a disgruntled member said does not count as evidence or reference. All of you that got their education through the television should learn how to back up a claim by adequate referencing.
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:30am On Jun 13
lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

you don't believe God's word which goes against your false doctrines

and your jw magazine publications that have contradictions and false prophecies etc.
you deny that they were written and say they are frauds, ha ha ha

such is your extreme built in denial of the truth
your indogenous habitual lying is of course from
the devil, the father of lies, your father and your god:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:51am On Jun 13
from a christian website

Bad Translations of the Jehovah's Witness' Bible, the New World Translation (NWT).


Following are some of the many bad "translations" offered by the watchtower Bible Track Society's translation of the Bible known as the New World Translation (NWT). Because the Jehovah's Witness organization denies the deity of both Jesus and the Holy Spirit, they have altered the text of God's word to reflect their presuppositions.

I have cited the NASB Bible, a very accurate translation and compared it with the NWT. I also underlined the important changes so you can more easily see them.

Genesis 1:1-2 (NASB), "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters."

NWT: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and desolate, and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep, and God’s active force was moving about over the surface of the waters.

The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society denies that the Holy Spirit is alive, the third person of the Trinity. Therefore, they have changed the correct translation of "...the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters," to say "...and God's active force was moving over the surface of the waters."

The Holy Spirit is not God's active force. The Holy Spirit speaks. An active force does not speak.

Acts 8:29, "Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot.”

Acts 13:2, "While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”



Zechariah 12:10 (NASB), "And I [God] will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son."

NWT: “I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of favor and supplication, and they will look to the one whom they pierced, and they will wail over him as they would wail over an only son; and they will grieve bitterly over him as they would grieve over a firstborn son
.
The Jehovah's Witnesses change the word "me" to "the one" so that it says in their Bible, "...they will look upon the one whom they have pierced..." Since the Jehovah's Witnesses deny that Jesus is God in flesh, then Zech. 12:10 would present obvious problems, so they changed it.




John 1:1 (NASB), "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

NWT: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."
The Watchtower mistranslate the verse as "a god."

Again, because the Jehovah's Witnesses deny God in flesh for the Scriptures (John 1:1, 14; Col. 2:9), they must change the Bible to make it agree with their theology. The Jehovah's Witness version in the New World Translation says, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."
Notice that "a god" is there so-called translation. But this is problematic since it would imply polytheism. I asked Jehovah's Witnesses if they believe Jesus was a god. When they say yes, then I bring up the error of their polytheism.

to be continued

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 1:30am On Jun 13
continued

John 14:10 (NASB), “Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works."

NWT: "Do you not believe that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me? The things I say to you I do not speak of my own originality, but the Father who remains in union with me is doing his works."

This is another obvious alteration in the New World translation. In their attempt to avoid the deity of Christ, they scour the Bible and alter any verses that would suggest that Jesus is divine.




Colossians 1:15-17 (NASB), "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together."

NWT: "He is the image of the invisible God,m the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist."

The word "other" is inserted four times in the NWT. It is not in the original Greek, nor is it implied.
This is a section where Jesus is described as being the creator of all things. Since the Jehovah's Witness organization believes that Jesus is created, they have inserted the word "other" to show that Jesus was before all "other" things that were created, implying that He is also created.
There are two Greek words for "other": heteros, and allos. The first means another of a different kind, and the second means another of the same kind. Neither is used at all in this section of scripture. The Jehovah's Witness have changed the Bible to make it fit their aberrant theology.



Hebrews 1:6 (NASB), "And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, 'and let all the angels of God worship him.'”

NWT: "But when he again brings his Firstbornm into the inhabited earth, he says: 'And let all of God’s angels do obeisance to him.'”

In this verse they translate the Greek word for worship, proskuneo, as "obeisance." Obeisance is a word that means to honor, show respect, even bow down before someone. Since Jesus, to them, is created, then he cannot be worshiped. They have also done this in other verses concerning Jesus, i.e., Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33; 28:9.




Hebrews 1:8 (NASB), "But of the Son He says, 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of his kingdom.'"

NWT: "But about the Son, he says: 'God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.'"

This is a verse where God the Father is calling Jesus God: "But about the Son he says, 'Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.'" Since the Jehovah's Witnesses don't agree with that, they have changed the Bible, yet again, to agree with their theology. They have translated the verse as "...God is your throne..." The problem with the Jehovah's Witness translation is that this verse is a quote from Psalm 45:6 which, from the Hebrew, can only be translated as "...Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom." To justify their New Testament translation they actually changed the OT verse to agree with their theology, too!


Conclusion on the New World Transation
The NWT translation is a bad translation. It has changed the text to suit its own theological bias in many places. It misrepresents the person and work of Christ as well as the personhood of the Holy Spirit. The New World translation should be avoided.

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 2:43am On Jun 13
O Lord my God
How great Thou art

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 9:51am On Jun 13
OLAADEGBU:


Posting what a disgruntled member said does not count as evidence or reference. All of you that got their education through the television should learn how to back up a claim by adequate referencing.
You are a liar. I have neighbors and childhood friends in deeper life church who told me their parents don't watch TV because it is against deeper life church beliefs.
People wey their TV set dey off whenever I dey their home, naim u dey lie to me.
Your denial is hogwash!.

Life Which He Latter Abandoned
by INTERMAN : 10:59pm On Feb 17 , 2018
Thank God the man of God is still standing
for holiness and righteousness. But here are
some old beliefs of WF kumuyi in which he
latter sent into oblivion.
1) TELEVISION- In the early days of Deeper
life church. Television and anything that
relates to it was seen as a taboo. The
gadget was tagged "the box of the devil"
and members of the church were strictly
warned against Tv, video cameras in
wedding and so on.Repairing of TV was
also abomination. But today, the church
itself, I.e Deeper life Bible Church now have
over Ten thousands television in their
various church for live transmissions.

: 5 Old Beliefs Of Pastor Kumuyi Of
Deeper Life Which He Latter Abandoned
by chronique( m ): 10:33am On Feb 18 , 2018
I attended that
church in my childhood and formative years.
I attended that church in the 80s and 90s.
They never said television was evil but they
were against it cos they felt it could corrupt
the mind(depending on what you watch),and
believed it was better to abstain from
watching TV..."

** Deeper life church "were against watching TV" back in the day ,oh lying Pharisee.

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:55am On Jun 13
Janosky:


You are a liar. I have neighbors and childhood friends in deeper life church who told me their parents don't watch TV because it is against deeper life church beliefs.
People wey their TV set dey off whenever I dey their home, naim u dey lie to me.
Your denial is hogwash!.

Life Which He Latter Abandoned
by INTERMAN : 10:59pm On Feb 17 , 2018
Thank God the man of God is still standing
for holiness and righteousness. But here are
some old beliefs of WF kumuyi in which he
latter sent into oblivion.
1) TELEVISION- In the early days of Deeper
life church. Television and anything that
relates to it was seen as a taboo. The
gadget was tagged "the box of the devil"
and members of the church were strictly
warned against Tv, video cameras in
wedding and so on.Repairing of TV was
also abomination. But today, the church
itself, I.e Deeper life Bible Church now have
over Ten thousands television in their
various church for live transmissions.

The onus probandi is on you to supply evidence to back up your claim. If you are to make a claim that DL decreed that the use of television was forbidden for its members then show factual references not gossips and hearsay. Let me educate you on how to back up your claim with the use of references that can be checked up by anyone.

The Watchtower Society claims to be the only prophet on earth today. (The Watchtower, April 1, 1972, page 197).

The Bible says that a true prophet of God should always be 100% accurate otherwise he is a false prophet.

"But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak or that shall speak in the name of other gods even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath no spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him" (Deuteronomy 18:20-22).

In 1920, the Watchtower Society predicted the physical return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old for 1925. (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, published by Watchtower, 1920, pages 89-90).

Did they show up? No, they have not showed up as we speak. This is proof that the Watchtower Society made a false prophecy. Instead of your society to own up and admit that they've blown it, they attempted to cover up their blunder, in 1929 to 1930 they built a mansion in San Diego, California for those prophets, still stringing you people along that the prophets will still appear and dwell there. Have they? No. This is just one of the dozens of other false prophecies to take place in 1914 (The Time Is At Hand by C.T. Russel, 1889, published by Watchtower, page 101). They also claimed Jesus began his invisible rule over the earth in 1914 (The Truth Shall Make You Free, page 300). Then it was changed to 1918, 1925, 1941 and eventually to 1975.

All these proves that the Watchtower Society are false prophets and are not to be trusted according to the word of God.

I hope you have now seen how I made reference to the claims made above? Can you please do the same when making a claim about DL instead of run of the mill gossips from the grapevine that you've been making.
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 10:56am On Jun 13
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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 10:57am On Jun 13
johnw47:


from a christian website





Zechariah 12:10 (NASB), "And I [God] will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son."

NWT: “I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of favor and supplication, and they will look to the one whom they pierced, and they will wail over him as they would wail over an only son; and they will grieve bitterly over him as they would grieve over a firstborn son
.
The Jehovah's Witnesses change the word "me" to "the one" so that it says in their Bible, "...they will look upon the one whom they have pierced..." Since the Jehovah's Witnesses deny that Jesus is God in flesh, then Zech. 12:10 would present obvious problems, so they changed it.




John 1:1 (NASB), "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

NWT: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."
The Watchtower mistranslate the verse as "a god."

Again, because the Jehovah's Witnesses deny God in flesh for the Scriptures (John 1:1, 14; Col. 2:9), they must change the Bible to make it agree with their theology. The Jehovah's Witness version in the New World Translation says, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."
Notice that "a god" is there so-called translation. But this is problematic since it would imply polytheism. I asked Jehovah's Witnesses if they believe Jesus was a god.

Lying Pharisee dey quote Pharisee lying website.
What is theos ?
https://biblehub.com/greek/2310.htm
theos:God ,a god.
Definition: God,a god.
Is NWT correct to say "the word is a god" ? YES !!!!
Jesus is the son of God John10:36.
In heaven ,Jesus is son of God. Rev3:5,21, gods in heaven (1 Cor8:5) includes Jesus.
Sons of God are gods John 10:34-36.
It's crystal clear.

Corrupt Johnw lying Pharisee, Zech12:10, . ..
"and they will look " (Strong's Hebrew 5027 meaning - to scan, look intently..)

*" On me" (Strong's Hebrew413 meaning 'To, Near, with, among).

** the One (Strong's Hebrew 834 meaning who, which, what ,that, where)

https://biblehub.zechariah/12-10.htm

Johnw lying Pharisee ,"On me" in Hebrew language means "to, near, among" .
You dey twist Hebrew meaning into English language, you lying Pharisee.


*** When you quote Zechariah12:10 & LIE that God is Jesus whom the Jews pierced ,(John5:37 the Jews never saw God) likewise in Acts 9:4,5 you have to LIE that Christ's
disciples is the Jesus whom Saul persecuted (after all, Saul never saw Jesus face to face)

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:05am On Jun 13
Janosky:


: 5 Old Beliefs Of Pastor Kumuyi Of
Deeper Life Which He Latter Abandoned
by chronique( m ): 10:33am On Feb 18 , 2018
I attended that
church in my childhood and formative years.
I attended that church in the 80s and 90s.
They never said television was evil but they
were against it cos they felt it could corrupt
the mind(depending on what you watch)
,and
believed it was better to abstain from
watching TV..."

** Deeper life church "were against watching TV" back in the day ,oh lying Pharisee.

Do you see how your witnesses are contradicting themselves? You said one claimed DL said TV was evil and the one above said they never said television was evil. Make up your mind and let us know what exactly you are accusing DL about.

Even if it was true that DL prevented people from watching television I don't see how that will be a life or death matter as it is the case in your society where they prevent their members from taking blood transfusion and people losing their lives both physically and eternally.
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 11:35am On Jun 13
OLAADEGBU:


Do you see how your witnesses are contradicting themselves? You said one claimed DL said TV was evil and the one above said they never said television was evil. Make up your mind and let us know what exactly you are accusing DL about.

Even if it was true that DL prevented people from watching television I don't see how that will be a life or death matter as it is the case in your society where they prevent their members from taking blood transfusion and people losing their lives both physically and eternally.
"They (Deeper life church) were against it (television)....and believed it was better to abstain from television" , you no see am !!!

** Make you quote everything that poster said! Don't cherry pick ...
Perhaps you're better educated by virtue of dwelling in the land of the English Queen, Mr Olaadegbu, you already know the exact import& full meaning of that entire statement by the poster .
Your baseless argument changes NOTHING!
Thank you

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:46am On Jun 13
Janosky:

"They (Deeper life church) were against it (television)....and believed it was better to abstain from television" , you no see am !!!

** Perhaps you're better educated by virtue of dwelling in the land of the English Queen, Mr Olaadegbu, you already know the exact import& full meaning of that entire statement by the poster .
Your baseless argument changes NOTHING!
Thank you

You are entitled to your opinion. As long as you cannot show me where DL stated your claims in their statement of faith or reference any book or magazine where they said that it was a sin to own or repair a television as far as I am concerned you are just bearing false witness. And for those of you that believe television is the holy grail, for how long do you watch it with the constant epileptic power supply? If you are to argue let's talk about the myriads your society sends to their untimely death when you deny them blood transfusion. cool
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 4:16pm On Jun 13
OLAADEGBU:


You are entitled to your opinion. As long as you cannot show me where DL stated your claims in their statement of faith or reference any book or magazine where they said that it was a sin to own or repair a television as far as I am concerned you are just bearing false witness. And for those of you that believe television is the holy grail, for how long do you watch it with the constant epileptic power supply? If you are to argue let's talk about the myriads your society sends to their untimely death when you deny them blood transfusion. cool
Lying Pharisee, Watchtower Society have NEVER done that, you have no proof for your fictitious claims.
To serve Jehovah and keep to His righteous standard is strictly voluntary. Acts15:28,29. 5:29. 1st John5:3.

Until you bring the proof where DL church "statement of faith" categorically says it's no sin for the DL church to do satellite TV broadcast, you're a liar.

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 4:17pm On Jun 13
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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:49pm On Jun 13
Janosky:


Lying Pharisee, Watchtower Society have NEVER done that, you have no proof for your fictitious claims.
To serve Jehovah and keep to His righteous standard is strictly voluntary. Acts15:28,29. 5:29. 1st John5:3.

Until you bring the proof where DL church "statement of faith" categorically says it's no sin for the DL church to do satellite TV broadcast, you're a liar.

The verses your Watchtower Society uses when forbidding you to do blood transfusion are Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 7:26-27; Acts 15:19-29 and the like. What God is addressing in those verses has nothing to do with blood transfusion it was about the eating of animal's blood and blood transfusion is not the same thing as eating animal blood. So you cannot use those verses as proof that God is against blood transfusion, they do not apply at all. This is what Jesus said:

"There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man" (Mark 7:15).

And if you are saying that 'the Watchtower have never done that' here is the proof:

Blood transfusion are a sin, Reasoning from Scriptures, 1985, page 72-73

It is also true that the Watchtower deceive you to earn your salvation by selling their magazines door to door trying to make the quotas. Do you really believe that their magazines them is from God and are infallible? Are they inspired? Here is proof that you think it is from God and not to be questioned:

Salvation is by faith and works you do, Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 1 page 150, 152 (You asked for proof, you got proof).

And because of the fear of being slaughtered in the Battle of Armageddon you have to be a good 'missionary' working yours socks off as a 'faithful witness.'

Some of you may even be called upon to be undercover agents (One of your new recruits here on NL will become handy here because of his previous experience of working as Mafia). Who will be called upon to follow members who appear to be suspect and thereby reports them to the elders who will in turn send the information to the Headquarters in New York to be placed in their files.

You guys must be a miserable lot and your hearts really empty. You need to begin to doubt if your elders really received this so called "new light" from the 'angels' sitting comfortably at the headquarters in NY.

You need to begin to seriously study the Bible independently. The Watchtower has led you down the alley to believe another gospel and the God you are serving is not the God of the Bible. You can't earn your salvation by works (See Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8,9) like selling watchtower materials.

The Bible says that we will all stand before God and be judged by the Word (John 12:48). We should all make sure that the Word of God is our final authority and not the Watchtower or any other sort of material. Who are you going to believe? God or the Watchtower Society? Jesus is Jehovah, repent of your sin and accept Him as your Saviour to be set free.

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