TATIME:
Did she believe in the Bible at all?
*She married an atheist, meaning she never cared about Bible's admonition regarding marrying ONLY Christians! 1Corinthians 7:39
*She has no husband to teach her what Christianity truly means, since Apostle Paul said Christian women should learn from their Christian husbands! 1Corinthians 14:35, Ephesians 5:24, 1Timothy 2:12

If she is not a Christian, how will she know that she supposed to remain silent when men are talking about scriptural doctrines?
Please Maximus, this is why Jesus said we keep quiet so as not to throw precious things like sacred matters before such persons like DOGS! Matthew 7:6

Maximus69:
Whatever Sir, WHATEVER!
I've made myself clear enough because Jesus will never agree that a Pharisee is his brother since they're not of the same father! John 8:19, 44
As long as you believe that my Jesus differs from your Jesus, how on earth are we brothers?
If i say you're confused, you will will start cursing, insulting and abusing me.
Whereas the TRUTH is you and i aren't related by blood, business nor faith therefore how exactly are you my brother?
Jehovah's Witnesses thank you for teaching me the TRUTH!

shadeyinka:

As far as I'm concerned, the note from nutarious wasn't directed at you. It was to me, and I have replied her!

As per the earlier heading : note!
I didn't recall I took permission nor consultation from you. The topic was such to prevent external interest in the discussion until we had finished our Question and answer session.

You know I told you before that your faith is very similar to the Brotherhood of the Cross and Star and the Mormons. All the adherents swallow whatever their governing body churn down the line, hence nothing is strange with your claim.

shadeyinka:

This shouldn't pain you my sister!
At least I've stopped calling you brother.

Remember that Jesus never called the Sadducees anything: He ignored them for much of His ministry.

Maximus69:
You are 100% correct, only one thing is missing Sir!
There should be a PUBLIC HEARING of your presentations in comparison with their own. Otherwise you're exhibiting the trait of the Pharisees who have already concluded without giving Jesus an hearing on what he truly believe! John 7:51-52
You know as TRUE Christians, we fear whatever comes out of the mouth of our Master, Lord and King. He said 'the type of judgement you render to others is what you're going to get' Matthew 7:2
Jehovah's Witnesses will never decide for anyone unless we first give the person the opportunity to speak for himself. Matthew 10:11-15
That's why it is easy for us to fish out faithful ones from your midst and bring them in for Jesus, because we're 100% sure that you're one and all deluded with divers doctrines!

TATIME:
They just follow whatever their magic practicing priests tells them without thinking twice!
He believes all religions calling Jesus are Christians.
He believes there is no denomination in heaven.
He believes whoever accepts others as Christian is OK
Now what is the criteria of segregating those religious groups without any hearing, tori olorun?
Instead of saying their magic practicing priests have given them certain group names to castigate, they'll start lying against God's holy spirit saying 'na him tell me say that church no be am'
explain from the Bible, NO WAY!
let's hear from them, NO WAY!
Walahi Talahi Jesus knew everything about them before saying 'they have nothing to say against the TRUTH'

Maximus69:

Haaa!
Please i never saw this part of your post.
Well we're friends Sir as in neighbours but as brothers NO we're not brothers!
There are three factors that could make us brothers
(1) Blood~ this means we come from the same lineage like family relations.
(2) Business~ this means we are partners in business so we will always think alike for the progress of our business.
(3) Faith~ this means we are of the same line of thought regarding sacred services.

You and i are neither related of the three, and the factor JWs cherish most is when we're related by FAITH! Matthew 12:46-50 compared to Galatians 6:10

So until we agree on the same line of thought, we're like social media friends or neighbours, but NOT brothers!

TATIME:
What a disaster!
You know i've been trying to find out what ensued to this discussion of brother or no brother!
So after concluding that you're a Sadducee, he still wish you're his brother!
Please
WHY?
HOW?
ON WHAT GROUND?
I know you're seeing how learned they are when it comes to discernment and how confused they are when talking about judgment!
A cultist who is worshiping the same god like olumba and mormon, you still went ahead to address him as 'my brother'
They envy the way JWs relate by unwavering faith yet instead of humbly submitting themselves to learn how two persons could truthfully relate as brothers, they just feel like addressing anyone even the person for whom they've developed intense hatred as BROTHER! Genesis 4:9
Jehovah will surely deliver us from their hands in Jesus name!

shadeyinka:

This shouldn't pain you my sister!
At least I've stopped calling you brother.

Remember that Jesus never called the Sadducees anything: He ignored them for much of His ministry.

OkCornel:
All ye debaters...

If you believe in the same Jesus and the One True God Paul preached of, consider this scripture for your morning digest while you interact...

Galatians 5 v 14-15;

14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.



Galatians 6 v 1;
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

Maximus69:
For the benefit of all SINCERE followers of this thread!

We should be aware that Jesus' ministry was targeted at THREE main goals, Jesus actually achieved TWO of these three goals and asked his followers to continue in the two so that the third goal could be achieved!

FIRST GOAL~ Jesus made it clear that mankind is far away from his holy father due to our sinful state, he then thought us the tenets that will draw the attention of his father into loving us as sons so that our sinful conditions is blotted out completely! Matthew 5:3-20

SECOND GOAL~ Jesus' followers were 100% sure that there teacher's counsel is truly divine even passersby were amazed at the uniqueness of his teachings { Matthew 7:28-29,John 7:45-46 compared to Isaiah 9:6} they told him 'though it is PRACTICALLY applicable, simple and straightforward but very difficult to practice' in the midst of crooked people { Luke 18:26} Jesus told them they needed the help from God in order to be DIFFERENT and start APPLYING all that he taught them! Matthew 19:26

THIRD GOAL~ There must be a visible GROUP of people PRACTICING what Jesus taught during his ministry globally! Act 1:8 This is the goal that wasn't met during Jesus' life time on earth. Because he told his followers that it is ONLY through the help of God's holy spirit that they can succeed in the practical applications of his teachings {John 14:15-17, Act 1:8} So according to Jesus, the GROUP practicing what he taught will not surface until the arrival of the holy spirit. And it happened just as Jesus said so that after observing the activities of Jesus' followers in a city called Anthioc, onlookers could say 'this are the Christians' as in those practicing exactly what Jesus who claimed to be the Christ taught throughout his life! Act 17:11

Satan have established so many religious groups today {Matthew 13:24-30,36-43} and because he knows that none of them belongs to Christ,so he is trying really hard to discourage people from focusing on any GROUP because if they do they will notice as in observe the one and only GROUP practicing what Jesus taught! Matthew 13:43 compared to Matthew 5:14-16

We are Jehovah's Witnesses! The group name supposed to be Jesus' Witnesses{Christians} Act 1:8
But because Satan's seeds have tarnished that image {Matthew 13:25-26} the true God JEHOVAH suddenly change our group name in this final part of the days {Isaiah 65:15} so that we stand out as a unique GROUP totally different from all Satan's seeds! Revelations 18:4 compared to Matthew 10:22, John 17:14-17

TATIME:


INDISPUTABLE PRESENTATION!

Bravo, Maximus! Bravo!

I'll be waiting for what Satan's agents have to say about this unchallengeable write-up. Let them speak for their god if truthfully he is the true God! Habakkuk 2:18-20

Isaiah 54:17 says "No weapon formed against you will have any success, and you will condemn any tongue that rises against you in the judgement. This is the heritage of the servants of JEHOVAH, and their righteousness is from me declares JEHOVAH!"

May our heavenly father bless you Maximus my brother for this wonderful presentation!

Let them speak NOT just off point but refute what you typed up there if truthfully they know or have the power of discernment just like our wonderful counselor JESUS!

shadeyinka:

You are right and correct as the God you serve is also shared by the following organisations

1. The Mormons (The Church of the Latter days Saints)
2. Olumba Olumba (The Church of the Brotherhood of the Cross and Star)
3. The Moonies

shadeyinka:

You know what you are doing?
Burying falsehood under loads of information!

I have only re-echoed

Gal 1:8:
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed."

As

"But though ECWA or any Church Organisation, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed."


The apostles have said that your lives shouldn't be defined by them or any other person or personality but by the GOSPEL of CHRIST.

Paul is saying if/peradventure himself or any of the Apostles should somehow deviate from the Gospel of Christ, they become accursed! Not to be followed!

But in arrogance, you equate the JW Watchtower organisation as infallible, that which even the apostles didn't claim. Make the Scriptures your Standard NOT a human Organisation!

Janosky:

Lying Pharisees, your false gospel of trinity is NOT the Gospel of Jesus which apostles Peter preached (Acts 3:12,13) or Paul preached Acts 9:17-20., Eph 1:3. Rom 15:5,6. Galatians 1:8, John 10:34-36. 7:16. 5:37. 6:46. It's crystal clear what the gospel of Jesus is. special emphasis on Acts 9 verse20.
JWs stick to the scriptures and the apostolic example of the first century Christians. Acts15:1-31.
Acts 9:4-31 is another case study of how well organized the first century Christians were , under Christ's leadership .
That's an Organization in practice .

Janosky:


Lying Pharisee Shadeyinka,you have no proof that 1,2,3 are serving our Most High God, Jehovah (Psalms 83:18), the God and Father of our lord Jesus Christ (John 20:17, Rev 3:5,21. Acts 3:13. Eph1:3. 3:14,15).

shadeyinka:

Look at the bolded: are you insinuating that the Holy Spirit is just an appendage of God like the arms, mouth, ears and legs are to man?. If that is correct, then the Holy Spirit cannot be a force as you have been taught.

It is too easy for me to prove that the Holy Spirit isn't just a Force but a personality. A force is inanimate and emotionless: isn't it.
You, knowing that God IS a Spirit still choose to alienate the Holy Spirit from God by saying that He is just an active force.

I will show you Scriptures to show that the Holy Spirit isn't just an active Force as you have been taught

There are three distinct characteristics of a personality
a. Must have a Will/Volition
b. Must have an Emotion
c. Must have an Intellect
A force is just an effort applied on an object. A force is inanimate and cannot exist without a force producing source

1. The Holy Spirit Speaks:
Acts 8:29:
"Then the Spirit said to Philip, Go near, and join yourself to this chariot."

Acts 10:19:
"While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said to him, Behold, three men seek you."

Rev 14:13:
"And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from now on: Yes, said the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors; and their works do follow them."
2. The Holy Spirit Has emotion:
Eph 4:30:
"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby you are sealed to the day of redemption."

Rom 15:30
"Now I beseech you, brothers, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that you strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;"
3. He makes intercession for the saints

Rom 8:27:
"And he that searches the hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because he makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God."

4. He has a Will (He decides what to do)
1Cor 12:11:
"But all these works that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will."

Acts 16:6:
"Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,"


5. You can sin against Him
Mat 12:31-32:
"Why I say to you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven to men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven to men. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

Acts 5:3-4:
"But Peter said, Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not your own? and after it was sold, was it not in your own power? why have you conceived this thing in your heart? you have not lied to men, but to God."

How can one lie to a force?


6. He teaches and instructs:

Neh 9:20:
"You gave also your good spirit to instruct them, and withheld not your manna from their mouth, and gave them water for their thirst."

Luk 12:12:
"For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what you ought to say."

John 14:26:
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you."

Do you know any non Personality who has an ability to teach?

Barristter07:


Firstly, I admire your courage to quote the above verses, but I will restate that PERSONIFICATION does not prove personality .

I have my reason:

There are as well other verses that speak of holy spirit been shared , people been filled with it etc .

To solve this dillema, Let's take a look at a single scripture that highlight EVERY personality that exist in the universe .

Matthew 24:36

" Concerning that day and hour NOBODY KNOWS, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father "

Two issues here

1. [i] If Holy spirit is a personality why was it ommited from this list whereas angels are mentioned ?

2. Someone might say it probably belong to the category of " Nobody Knows " . if so this question the position that it is God , and once its God status is questioned, it's personality status followed suite .





Cc: nutarious

Barristter07:


Firstly, I admire your courage to quote the above verses, but I will restate that PERSONIFICATION does not prove personality .

I have my reason:

There are as well other verses that speak of holy spirit been shared , people been filled with it etc .

To solve this dillema, Let's take a look at a single scripture that highlight EVERY personality that exist in the universe .

Matthew 24:36

[b] " Concerning that day and hour NOBODY KNOWS, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father "

Two issues here

1. [i] If Holy spirit is a personality why was it ommited from this list whereas angels are mentioned ?

2. Someone might say it probably belong to the category of " Nobody Knows " . if so this question the position that it is God , and once its God status is questioned, it's personality status followed suite .





Cc: nutarious

nutarious:
@Barrister07

I notice in Analysis, the same contents must be used as a basis for different group analysing.

Shadeyinka has been using other Bible interpretations and maybe if we used your own interpretation which is the only different one among others there, then we could strike a balance to this Arquement about the Holy Spirit.

My question from the NWT translations is to ask you @barrister who is The Father of Jesus.?


Who is the Father of Jesus?


Your interpretation didn't change that, it said the Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus. Follow logic, follow rhema, follow layman's reading. That's what it said.

Then When Jesus said in that Act you quoted that he mentioned the Father and Angels and did not mention the Holy Spirit.


Read your NWT translation again and tell me who fathered Jesus?


I will wait for your Honest review of the Scripture according to Jehovah Witness interpretation.

But try and check some of this scriptures from your interpretations. Let's first get who the Father that Jesus Always talk about first.

Review it well and tell me what you got from your own interpretation


Shalom

nutarious:
@Barrister07

I notice in Analysis, the same contents must be used as a basis for different group analysing.

Shadeyinka has been using other Bible interpretations and maybe if we used your own interpretation which is the only different one among others there, then we could strike a balance to this Arquement about the Holy Spirit.

My question from the NWT translations is to ask you @barrister who is The Father of Jesus.?


Who is the Father of Jesus?


Your interpretation didn't change that, it said the Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus. Follow logic, follow rhema, follow layman's reading. That's what it said.

Then When Jesus said in that Act you quoted that he mentioned the Father and Angels and did not mention the Holy Spirit.


Read your NWT translation again and tell me who fathered Jesus?


I will wait for your Honest review of the Scripture according to Jehovah Witness interpretation.

But try and check some of this scriptures from your interpretations. Let's first get who the Father that Jesus Always talk about first.

Review it well and tell me what you got from your own interpretation


Shalom

johnw47:


why has he courage to post the above verses,
it's because of your twisting of said verses
but it doesn't take courage to face a lying twister of God's word


lie lie barristter
oh duh, the Holy Spirit wasn't specifically mentioned in that verse, however He is God
gabriel wasn't specifically mentioned in that verse either, however he is a angel

all christians know that the Holy Spirit is God
God is a Spirit, who else could the Holy Spirit be but God

some verses showing that the Holy spirit is God:

Psa_99:9 Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at his holy hill; for the LORD our God is holy.

1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.



Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth

2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

God is holy
God is a Spirit
the Holy Spirit is God.

more bible verses showing that the Holy spirit is God to follow

Jozzy4:


Shut up there , is holy spirit the Father ?

Jozzy4:


Are u now saying the Father is holy spirit ? I thought Trinity says they are different persons .

Barristter07:


Firstly, I admire your courage to quote the above verses, but I will restate that PERSONIFICATION does not prove personality .

I have my reason:

There are as well other verses that speak of holy spirit been shared , people been filled with it etc .

To solve this dillema, Let's take a look at a single scripture that highlight EVERY personality that exist in the universe .

Matthew 24:36

[b] " Concerning that day and hour NOBODY KNOWS, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father "

Two issues here

1. [i] If Holy spirit is a personality why was it ommited from this list whereas angels are mentioned ?

2. Someone might say it probably belong to the category of " Nobody Knows " . if so this question the position that it is God , and once its God status is questioned, it's personality status followed suite .





Cc: nutarious

2. Someone might say it probably belong to the category of " Nobody Knows " . if so this question the position that it is God , and once its God status is questioned, it's personality status followed suite .

Maximus69:
Mrs Shalom Homosapien!
How come you know all of this but ended up marrying an Atheist?
Why are you so zealous for talks without doing what the WORD says?

shadeyinka:

This coming from someone who claims to know Christ Jesus!?
Indeed by their fruit you shall know them!

Maximus69:

Just TWO questions based on the commands of the foundation of Christianity.
(1) Marry only in the Lord { 1Corinthians 7:39} but your sister married an Athesist{those that vehemently debunk the existence of God}
(2) Christian women are to be silent during doctrinal issues { 1Timothy 2:12} she ought to ask her husband {that is a Christian whereas she married an atheist} 1Corinthians 14:35

She even have the impetus to start insulting those who are obedient to the word, calling then ROBOTS! 1Peter 4:4

Yet you can't tell her to be watchful of her manners, but with two questions based on the commands from the Bible to help her know she's SINNING AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT{Luke 12:10} by stubbornly ignoring clear admonition from the Apostles, you're there trying to find faults.
Of course BY THEIR FRUIT YOU WILL RECOGNISE men of lawlessness, i'm sure she is a fruit of your DEAD Churches ! Matthew 7:20
Tell her that she is EQUAL all other women the Bible gave those instructions, unless you're a worker of INIQUITY! Matthew 7:23