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0temSapien:
A clue to what?

a clue to understanding

otem you have posted to me six times just now, and every time you don't hear from me for a week or so
you post to me with foolish comments, you are obsessed with me

and when i reply you say i'm obsessed, but that's the way of all you who love to lie

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

0temSapien:
which of them is a fool, according to the passage in the Op? Yahweh or Vichama.

oh duh one of no understanding, the verse refers to your words and so to you
Pro_13:16 Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly.

Peacefullove:
Can you now see your life. So " ONLY " is used for two persons ?

duh, yes i see my life but you don't, only is used for only one God who is God and the Word,
although you quote the Bible, you obviously don't understand or believe the Bible
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

OtemAtum:
You're obsessed with me. Just say the truth

it is the truth, you are still running away from rio-wum-tat, you never replied to any of his posts where he put you in your place, ha ha

0temSapien:
Why your obsession with me? Well...obsession is allowed sha

and yet i haven't posted to you in about a week, and you posted to me today
but then lying otem is just talking naturally for you
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


otem you believe things others tell you but you don't believe the truth

my obsession if you like to call it that is putting God haters in their place
you would know that by now if you were not blinded

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

OneJ:
The well known lie & forgeries in King James Bible "God was manifest in the flesh" (1 Tim 3:16 kJV) & "There are three that bear record in heaven. The father the son the holy ghost: these three are one" (1 John 5:7 KJV ) .
These lies, distortions & forgeries has overtime become your "truth".
Issoryt !


God is not a man, that HE should lie. (Num23:19).
God says "Woe to those who call evil good.... who put darkness for light & light for darkness. .. woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight"
(Isaiah 5:20,21).


A lie remains a lie no matter how U twist & paint it to sweeten it.

Shalom.

the Word, who is Spirit, who is God, became the man Jesus Christ, Jesus in the flesh is the Son of God, in Spirit He is the Word, who is God
it's clear you don't believe the Bible, but for others i will post scripture supporting 1 Tim 3:16 that Jesus is God


Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.


Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.


Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

1Jn 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;]

eternal
G166

αἰώνιος
aiōnios
ahee-o'-nee-os
From G165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well): - eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began).
Total KJV occurrences: 71

only God has always existed
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Maamin:
The Word is not equal to the father St least the Word came from the father. That is enough.

I did not twist anything but you on the other hand is the one twisting and turning up verses to mean what it did not say.

Here again..
Did Phil.2:6 says Jesus is equal to the father? No!

Did John 14:28 says the father is greater than Jesus? Yes!

you will never stop lying, show one verse that i have twisted oh false accuser
i gave a verse showing the Word is equal to the Father
here it is for third time:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

now where are your verses showing that the Word is not God?

Maamin: Lol..the word God is a title right? Any entity can assume this title but unto us there is but one and only true God, The father and he is forever God to the Son, the Son worshipped the father but the Father never worshipped the Son at any point. May God's word be forever settled. Amen!

You are a human and your father is human too, but your father is greater than you in every other aspect of existence. It us that simple

the Father said to Jesus "O God", and you false jw say any entity can assume this title
typical false jw blasphemy

Maamin: I see that you are having problem with my use of 'what' and 'a' but no problem. Remember that the name Yahweh is said to be derived from a self existing word Eheyeh asher Eheyeh. Translated into I am who I am or I will be what I will be. Do you also have problem with "what" God says he will be?

Here is Jesus referred to as "holy thing" in this kjv verse
Like 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

God is God and the Word, and like i said you do not know who God is

Jehovah:
Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.
Jesus:
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

Jehovah:
Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
Jesus:
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Maamin: Just in case you think am a JW, well am not. The Father made the Son a Mighty God. He wills as he pleases. No ambiguity.

you say you are not a false jw but you believe like false jw believe, yeah sure keep fooling someone

mighty God and Almighty God are the same God-Yahovah, not two gods like you believe

Gen_17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Psa 50:1 A Psalm of Asaph. The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.

Maamin: I am not the one making three persons to be one person here,

three persons one God,
you cannot stop twisting which is lying, and which you do all through your posts

Maamin: yes the father is a spirit and he is holy is he not a holy spirit? I am not the one changing God's word here but you. The holy spirit as u know it is of God, it comes from God the father. Same way as Jesus is of God, came from God the father.

of course the Holy Spirit comes from God the Father,
and yet you say God the Father is not the Holy Spirit but "a" holy spirit,
the Word being God is also the Holy Spirit

Joh_14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Maamin: You might want to start posting the verses that says Holy spirit is a person as in image of the invisible God just like Jesus is manifest in the flesh then I might take you serious on this topic.

The holy spirit is the power of the highest take it or leave it.
Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

from false jw i take no false thing
of course the Holt Spirit is God's power, it is His Love also, you obviously have not experienced Him inside you, it is everything He is because the Holy Spirit is He, is God

2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
^^^ so very clear
Psa 139:7 Where can I go to get away from your Spirit? Where can I run to get away from you?
Psa 139:8 If I go up to heaven, you are there. If I make my bed in hell, you are there.
^^^ david praying to God say's: where shall i get away from your Spirit, where can i get away from you,
God is omnipresent, His spirit is everywhere
Jer 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.

very clear except for the blinded

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

0temSapien:
hmm.

you haven't a clue, have you

0temSapien:
it will take me time to read about all these things you stated above, then I can know if what I have in the Doctufos is anything similar to them in any way, then I'd get back to you. Just be patient. Thanks.

what you have in the doctufos is just nonsense written by those like you,
and inspired by the god of doctufos satan,
you know that, everyone knows that,
gen is probably writing a science fiction book from your posts,
and from satan's inspired science fiction book doctufos

0temSapien:
Learn and be wise

Pro_24:7 Wisdom is too high for a fool:

0temSapien:
Be aware!!!

Pro_13:16 Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly.

OtemAtum:
Learn the truth

poor scared otem, still running away from fellow know nothing rio-wum-tat

OtemAtum:
believing Isaiah amounts to believing a great liar. SMH.

believing you otem, a disciple of satan the god of doctufos is truly believing a great liar

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

OneJ:
The truth be told Isaiah said "Therefore, the Lord (Jehovah) himself will give you a sign.: Behold, the virgin (maiden) shall be with child,& shall bring forth a son....". 7 :14

i take it by your addition of "maiden" that you believe mary wasn't truly a virgin

Luk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Maamin:
None of the verses are wrong, but only triniterians that are reading their man made doctrine into it.

Did Phil.2:6 says Jesus is equal to the father? No!

Did John 14:28 says the father is greater than Jesus? Yes!

There you have it

yes there you have given me error , i gave explanation of phil and john verses because you don't understand them, i also gave verse showing that the Word is equal to God:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
try not twisting which is lying

Maamin: Once again I don't think that way, but if we allow the bible to interpret itself, you will in fact see that all scriptures is in agreement with one fundamental truth which is THE FATHER IS GOD TO EVEN THE SON.

if you had eyes to see you would see that the Son is God even to the Father:
Heb_1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Maamin: What you are finding difficult here is understanding what the holy spirit is and in so doing you will grasp the manifestation from whence it come from. If the least kindness we do to our fellow man is as if we had done it to God Himself (Matthew 25:34-40). Then how much more of his very emanation, the Word and the Holy spirit?

i know who, not what the Holy spirit is, you say the Holy spirit is "a what"
you say the word is "a god", you say Jehovah is the Father only, when Jehovah is God
the Father and the Word, in other words you do not know God in the least

false jw have two god's, father a almighty god and son a mighty god

Maamin: God the father Himself is a Holy Spirit. The holy spirit is not a person as you made it out to be in trinity. While we are made in God's image through Christ. The holy spirit on the other hand has taken so many forms like, tongue of fire, water, dove, wind, etc

you say Father is "a holy spirit" just like you say the Word is "a god"
but God's word only speaks of one Holy Spirit, same as it talks of only one true God
however you don't believe God's word and change what it says

Maamin: There is no explicit verse that made the holy spirit a third part in a trinity. And guess what ? Jesus was anointed as Christ through the holy spirit. He was filled with the holy spirit which is the power of the highest according to the bible, he performed so many miracles through this power of God (holy spirit). It is God's pure righteous essence of truth and life.

You might want to bring your verses to convince me that the Holy spirit is GOD, you won't be saying anything new why because the holy spirit is God's emanating power himself. But if you make the holy spirit out to be a third of a tripath then it's your own man made teaching.

there are many verses showing that the Holy spirit is a person and not just God's power
you post verses showing that you think say the Holy spirit is not a person,
is not God
and i will post verses showing that the Holy Spirit is a person, is God

the Lord has given israel cleanness of teeth through drought, yet they still haven't returned to Him
now work out what song of solomon 6:6 really means

ummm, should i laugh or be astounded

Maamin:
Let me add this to it..
John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."

of course true: And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God(God and the Word john 1:1), and (the man)Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent

Maamin: Jesus does not consider him self to be equal to his God your God, and to his father, your father.


John 14:28
"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."

so you believe john 14:28 makes php 2:6 to be untrue

Father(God) is greater than Jesus(flesh), whereas Father(God) is equal to the Word(God)
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Maamin: Yes you are still not far from the truth, you are just 180 degrees from it.

Matthew 25:34-40

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

So tell me how much more of the power of the holy spirit that proceeds from God. His very essence.

1 Cor.15:28 says God the father is all in all.

Shalom!

once again you think one scripture shows another to be wrong
the Holy Spirit is not just God's power but is God Himself
even the verse you posted says "God is all in all", you would have it say God's power is all in all

peter told anainas that lying to the Holy Spirit is not lying to man but to God,
you say lying to the holy Spirit is lying to God's power

ask and i will post verses showing that the Holy Spirit is God

OneJ:
Elihu (the young man who comforted Job) means "My God is He". OP, then is Elihu the same as Almighty God? Again, Elijah means "my God is Jehovah", does that prove that Elijah is actually the Most High God?

try and understand what you are reading, it saves a lot of time,
elijah doesn't mean elijah is Jehovah, it means elijah's God is jehovah, just like you posted in the verse

OneJ: OP, your quote in red letters (matt28:19) where did Jesus say the three are one God?

Jesus didn't say specifically in matt 28:19 that the three is one God, and since you cannot see it, just ask and i can give you scriptures showing that Father is God, that Son is God and that Holy Spirit is God

OneJ: Or did other Bible verses U put up actually say the God ,Christ & Holy spirit are one ?
If we are to go by your logic, the expression " Tom , Dick & Harry " is one "god"shey ? OP, there is no explicit statement that said Jesus is Almighty God. OP, true or false?

the verses i put up are to show that Jesus-immanuel is God, take a look at them again

OneJ: The truth be told Isaiah said "Therefore, the Lord (Jehovah) himself will give you a sign.: Behold, the virgin (maiden) shall be with child,& shall bring forth a son....". 7 :14

Right there in heaven,thousands of years before Christ birth on earth in Isaiah's prophecy, his Father Jehovah already recognized Jesus as His son. OP, true or false?
"he will be called the son of the Most High" OP, true or false?

i take it you don't believe the maiden mary was a virgin when Jesus was conceived, you are wrong
God is not flesh but Spirit, Jesus(man-flesh) is the Son of God, His Spirit is God, the Word(God) became flesh

onej you have called me OP(opening poster) many times

when i was debating with roman catholics they said i was someone else,
when i was debating with the doctufos mob they said i was someone else,
when i was debating with so called jehovahs witnesses, one said i was someone else,
another said i was someone else still, and a third said i was yet even another

those above are obviously paranoid

Maamin:
Trinity is a false doctrine.

There is but one God.

there is but one God in the trinity doctrine:
Mar_12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Maamin: Jesus is not coequal to Him.

philip inspired by God considered Jesus to be equal to Father:
Php_2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Maamin: The Holy spirit is the power of God.


Shalom aleikhem!

the Holy Spirit is more than the power of God:
Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

here is a bible code that might put a smile on your face:

haman was a man who conspired to have mordecai and other jews killed,
but he ended up being put to death on the stake he prepared for mordecai

hebrew is read right to left, if you take every sixth letter of esther 3 verse 11
and of the first line of verse 12 where haman is plotting the death of jews to the king
it reads: "haman and satan stink"

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Mat 1:23 Behold, the virgin shall be with child, And shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Immanuel; which is, being interpreted, God with us.

isaiah and matthew tell us that the child Jesus Christ born to mary is God
immanuel is a hebrew name for messiah, it means God with us

those who deny that Jesus is the Christ-Messiah-God, who has come in the flesh is a liar a deceiver and an antichrist:
1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn_4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn_1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

of course those verses are not just about a human being born,
but about the Messiah-Christ being born, about the birth of immanuel, about God being with us

OneJ:
Sophistry at it's best. OP, 1 John 5:7 reads "there are three that testify".(authentic version).

OP,that version U quoted in your post is a confirmed forgery. "God appeared in the flesh"(1 Tim3:16kjv) is also a confirmed forgery.
The authentic version reads ".. He who was manifest in the flesh.."

But ,all of una trinity peddlers una so much love the wayo & iwuruwuru ,419 version of 1John5:7 (KJV) wey Una take back up una lie lie.
Contrary to your post, here is the authentic testimony that God gave about Jesus Christ, His son (matt16:13-17. John 20:30,31). Shalom

some say 1 john 5:7 has added words
but what Jesus said here is virtually saying the same thing and also shows Jesus and the Holy Spirit equal to the Father:

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.



1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

who is the "He", isaiah and matthew say He is God:
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Mat 1:23 Behold, the virgin shall be with child, And shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Immanuel; which is, being interpreted, God with us.

0temSapien:
Even I saw the event leading to Paul making this statement. Read the reference below

Common Era 4:47-48
47. Then Paul said, I have told the christians that they should curse anyone who teaches that Kristus did not come as a human in our contemporary world. Now John, go and write a letter and send them to our converts, both young and old, warning them concerning the Nicolatians whom I have called the anti-christus.
48. Warn them concerning these anti-christus and say to them that they should be well prepared for the return of Kristus. I have taught them already that the manifestation of Nicolas is a sign of the end of the world. Therefore write it in your letters too.

otem, everything you saw was delusion, you used to say reverad was your god and god of doctufos
but since i pointed out that reverad said: "i don't know if i created the universe,
or if the universe created me" you have gone for another god, whom you told me to name,
i named him satan, which was always his name, but now it's official, your god the god of doctufos is satan

you and false jw share the same god:

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

rio-wum-tat, said he has dealt with you atheists, he calls you atheists, those that are not blinded know that you have many false gods
otem why are you back here since he has scared you away,
and why are you scared of false jw, do they lie to much even for you?

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

laugh now, you will cry later

Matthew 13:48-50 When it was full, the fishermen hauled it ashore. Then they sat down, sorted the good fish into containers, and threw the bad ones away. That is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will go out, cull out the evil people from among the righteous ones, and will throw them into a blazing furnace. In that place there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”

Galatians 6:6-10 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction;

2 Peter 3:3-6 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires

20. Psalm 1:1-6
Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, but the way of the wicked leads to destruction.

0temSapien:
Seeing is believing my brother. I was taken back into times to see these things for myself. The writeups in the bible are full of fictions and exaggerations and I saw it all as it happened.

what! you saw all the fictions and exaggerations as they happened, ummmmm
otem other people see such things also, some of them are locked up

sonmvayina:
The Idea of heaven and hell is a pagan roman ideology, the old testament belief is reincarnation as evidence in the words of Job in Job chapter 1 vs 20-22
" naked I came from my mother's womb, naked I shall return there.. "

God never said heaven was for humans.. The idea is from Rome... It's all paganism made to look like truth, and for the purpose of deception and control.

there are many verses in the bible of persons whose destiny is heaven and others whose is hell
and you pick a verse, a verse that you don't understand to try and reinforce your false belief of reincarnation out of:

Job 1:21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

job is talking poetically, with mothers womb representing the earth, as in adam coming from the earth,
God said of man, "ye are but dust",

job had much, children and wealth, and it was all taken away from him,
job came from the earth with nothing and will return to the earth taking nothing


you only have to view other bible verses to see exactly what job was saying:

Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Psa 49:17 For when he dieth he shall carry nothing away: his glory shall not descend after him.

Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

TATIME:
God bless you, farewell!

good riddance phony:

Mat_7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

TATIME:
I'm in support of God's word though you and i may disagree on doctrinal issues of course that is unavoidable since we are both from different schools of thought but if you're truly on God's side you won't leave atheists and start quarrelling with a fellow professed believer of the Bible! No matter how the case may be i can never condemn you in support of atheists(who disregards God's word). Mark 9:38-40 after all you already agree that the Bible is useful for setting matters straight. 2Timothy 316,17 So search you conscience if you truthfully belong to Christ because i may not know much due to where i was taught and those who taught me but i'm still supposed to be taken as someone on the side of the Lord. Jesus is God or angel Michael,Holy spirit is a person(He) or God's active force etc are secondary issues to be settled within Christendom while making references to the BIBLE (the same book atheists hate so much with a passion) and not issues to start saying someone who agrees or disagrees with such doctrines is of the Devil. John's followers were many but only few of them became Christians even after John himself told them that he is not the long awaited Messiah! Did Jesus condemn these faithful ones saying they belong to the Devil somply because they did not agree immediately that He is the Christ? NO! Jesus knew they don't grasp the message so He allowed for time and many of them became Christians later. Act 18:24-26

self righteous riofidelio
you are not a fellow believer of the bible at all
you may profess belief in the bible but that's just continued lying

christians don't twist and change God's word, false jw's do

TATIME:
Pharisees,Saddusees,Scribes and several other school of thought in Israel were all rival groups before the arrival of Jesus(the truth).When Jesus came,they were all expecting Him to take side with one of them but this Nazarene stood alone and proved all of them wrong IN THEIR OWN VARIOUS REASONINGS! They later formed alliance to kill the TRUTH(Jesus) in other to cover their shame. My friend,if i am of the Devil and what i've been saying is all based on lies the Atheists themselves are a thousand times craftier and smarter than you to notice and reveal it to the world. That was why your religion couldn't silence them,rather they kept seeing the flaws in your believes and ridiculing you. But since i came in they can't point out a SINGLE flaw in what i've been saying so far,instead where they are driving at is what the Churches have been saying for centuries and once i told them that is not Christianity,they are now silently looking for the FLAWS which they can NEVER find in the TRUTH. All they're trying to do now is to get back at me not in what i have proved so far but to go personal. I'm satisfied now that i've covered your back by showing all these Atheists that there is true WISDOM in the Bible the book you've been presenting and trying to defend but it's left to you now if you decide to turn your back to tell them that the book is worthless anyway. Jesus rightly said about you that you only honour God with your lips but your heart is far away from HIM.Matthew 15:8 Go and continue fighting AGAINST the truth after the Atheists themselve have surrendered Jesus is the one to judge this action of yours,because i NEVER condemned you rather i kept praying for you to get the sense of what is happening. Jesus said "whoever is not against us is with us" Luke 9:49,50 The demons that are giving these Atheists the impetus to speak against Jehovah,Jesus and the holy spirit have been silenced for some times now but you you John aren't rejoicing for that instead you're against that. Well i'll still pray for you again because i know you have that burning zeal for God but not according to accurate knowledge. Romans 10:1-3

riofidelio-wum-tat
truly one who say's the Word is "a god"
that the Creator is "an angel"
and that the Holy spirit is not God, and not "a person"
doesn't know Him at all, and is just continuing in his many self righteous rants

@bold, and you certinally are
@bold underline, oh false accuser it's very clear that ye are of your father the devil just go back in this thread and read all of your contradicting lying posts:
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


maybe the reason you deleted your riofidelio account is so no one could find all of your old
pharisee hypocritical posts, you deleted it for some deceiving reason, that's for certain

TATIME: don't be offended if i totally ignore you henceforth!

TATIME: don't bother about whatever your friend John is saying because i'm through with him

TATIME: Sometimes you have to leave

laugh, false jw riofidelio you couldn't say the truth or stop contradicting yourself in deed, no matter what

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.